How Long Does It Take to Feel Energetic on Raw Food?

[Ucat]

Hi, I'm new to writing on this forum but been reading/ following it for a while. I started my journey to health some two years ago, first with McComb's candida diet and then started dabbling with raw food. First making green juices every day, then starting to have raw lunches (huge salads) and slowly moving onto having raw smoothies for breakfast and weekday lunches. Then I tried 100% raw first for 11 days, going back to cooked food after, then 22 days and now I am trying to do 100 days, with a couple of cheat days in between, after eating cooked for the last month (with lots of raw smoothies). I think I am through a lot of detox already, which wasn't too painful, actually. I gave up caffeine for the last two months but started again 1.5 weeks ago, 1-3 green teas a day, at the same time as starting my latest raw food challenge. I am on day 13 now of 100 day challenge. I have couple of questions I wonder if you can help me with:

1) I've been feeling more tired in the last 13 days than during my first two raw food trials (11 and 22 days). What do you think is the likely cause.... a) drinking caffeine again after two month's free? b) detox c) too little carbohydrates or another nutritional imbalance (i eat a lot of veg, and get enough calories, but not that much fruit) d) too bored of work and commuting through central London e) not eating organic like during my other trials... f) I can't afford to make green juices right now - do you think this would be extremely useful in feeling more energetic? I get some amount of greens every day through salads and smoothies.
>>> I know this is an impossible question to answer but I though I would throw it out there and see if there are interesting educated guesses on this :) Or experiences by others...

2) I want to get my blood work done to make sure I am not harming myself - how do I find a good doctor in London, UK? I know couple of places who do live blood analysis but how do I know who is a good one and what do I need for testing nutritional imbalances?

3) How long does it generally take to start feeling energetic on a raw food diet? During all this time of experimenting with raw foods (on and off) I definitely haven't felt any kind of euphoria, unusual happiness or energy bursts. I am generally fairly happy and active person but am expecting to need less sleep and feel more energetic and upbeat than usual.

4) What foods are good for calming overworked adrenal glands (my bf can't handle stress very well and I think it is past trauma-based stored emotions).

5) What do people think about drinking wine while being raw? I haven't drank any now but am wondering whether a couple of glasses for a special occasion (of white wine) mixed with sparkling water wouldn't slow my progress too much. Main problem with drinking wine is that it makes me crave heavy foods on that day and all of the next day, too. I know this issue is a matter of personal preference within the raw food community but it would be nice to hear some opinions and experiences from others...

In the past short raw food experiments I noticed subtle benefits: weight loss, improved skin, more balanced moods, some very well slept nights and beautiful dreams, decreased period pain, less pain in the ears when flying (easier to balance pressure in the ears), work days seemed to go quicker and weekends last longer! Haha. Honestly, though. Ah, and my period went from 8 days to 3 days (without being on the pill), which is brilliant, since I have been suffering from bad periods since being a teenager.

On the down side, I am trying to get rid of this persistent cough through raw foods (doctors don't find anything wrong with me) and trying to clear my sinuses which are still blocked and I don't seem to have much sense of smell. These are still there and haven't disappeared. If these symptoms don't go during this 100 days of raw food I will have to try a juice fast next. How long would you recommend and do you think this 100 days is going to work? Would be nice to look forward to something at the end of this challenge since it is summer and I'm quite tempted to just go out to restaurants and drink wine and eat pasta...

I know it's a lot of questions but I would very much appreciate some answers... :)

Thank you!

(This is what I eat on a typical day: Breakfast: smoothie: banana, dates, apple, green lettuce, teaspoon of coconut oil, sometimes hemp protein powder, sometimes goji berries. Lunch: smoothie: banana, dates, green leaves, 1 tbsp hemp seeds, 1 tbsp linseeds, teaspoon of coconut oil. Snacks: sometimes and apple, sometimes nuts, green tea, water, lemon water. Dinner: mixed salad with cheeze made out of nutritional yeast and cashew nuts. Also, sometimes water kefir. Weekends: more elaborate raw dishes, mixed in with smoothies, like: eating out at a raw food restaurant, or making raw pizza, nori rolls, raw soups etc. at home.)

[MysticTree]

hello,

Welcome to the forum.

I live in Bristol so it's always nice to see a fellow Uker.

in answer to your questions . . .

1) possibly any or all of the possibilities you mention. It's hard to tell but look to the nuts and seeds maybe.

2) I have no idea. If you find out, I'd love to know. My doctor is dreadful.

3) It will depend on you. I still get tired but in a good sort of way but I sleep more deeply and wake early will lots of fizz - on the whole, we all have our dull days.

4) There are better people on the forum to answer this one and they will probably be along soon.

5) I think you are answering your own question here. It seems to worry you because you feel you will go off raw because of it. Very few wines are actually raw - pick an organic white if you must. I don't drink but that is because I don't like alcohol!

[speltrong]

Hi! I saw that you said you commute through central London.. I visited London a couple of months ago, and we arranged for a service called "Raw Fairies" to deliver to our hotel for most of the time we were there. It was fantastic, the food was tasty, and it included all meals plus a smoothie each day. On the weekends, we would stop by Whole Foods at the High Street Kensington tube stop. Not only do they sell a huge array of raw foods, but there's also a restaurant onsite called Safa that has some amazing stuff. On the same level of the restaurant is a juice bar where you can get various green juices and smoothies. You probably know all this already, but thought I'd point it out just in case. :-)

As for being tired, I found that I became way more energetic after about 3 days on raw. I still sometimes have days where I am not feeling full steam, but I've also had some major medical issues lately. But like Mystic said, everyone is bound to have down days.

Regarding alcohol, my general rule is that I don't keep it in the house, but if I am going to a social event I do allow myself to drink wine or sake. I know it might not be the perfect solution, but barely any of my friends are raw, so even though I won't touch any of the food they eat, there is comfort for all of us in being able to share a bottle of wine. :-)

[Ucat]

Hi there, thanks for the tips. I found a few nutritionists in London who do live blood analysis as well. Prices range from 80-200 pounds. I wonder if this is the better route to go or if a normal doctor can do the tests. Any help with this? Georgina, I will let you know if I find a good one so when you're in London you can check it out.

Speltrong, I go to Wholefoods and SAF as well, quite fun. Raw Fairies sound good one day! But right now I'm doing raw food on a budget :)

I wonder if I'm doing something wrong to not feel more energetic. Any help on this anyone? Or are blood tests the best way to go. Then again it has only been 14 days so maybe the detox goes on for longer in my case.

Also, any wisdom on foods to calm adrenal glands?

[DawnD]

I wish you the best on your raw journey. I'm not an expert but I have been high raw for 2 years. I think at first I was concerned about the nutrients I might be missing on raw but my blood work showed I was doing pretty good. I think you should get a base-line test to compare to in the future. Just see where you are now. You may also need to take a look at your iron levels. I was low all last year and I occasionally supplement. As for your lack of energy, it may be a series of ups and down on your raw journey. I always have to remind myself that the body will go thru a series of healing crises to raise your level of health higher and higher. You feel great for a while and then might not feel so great for a few days. Just take those days to rest more and drink plenty of water to work thru the cleansing spell.

As for adrenals, you might look at Licorice root, slippery elm, safflowers, dandelion-to cleanse and support the liver...there are many herb combinations to support the system and also feed the adrenals. You might drop by a health food store and just ask them to direct you to herbs that support the endocrine system.

[Ucat]

Hi Dawn, how long did it take for you to first start feeling energetic on high raw diet? And what kind of blood test do you recommend - is live blood analysis good enough or do I need something else?

I think you might be right about the iron, I've been deficient in the past and that was only on a vegetarian diet.

And you're right about water too, since I've started drinking green tea at work I've kind of stopped drinking water. Maybe this slows down the speed my body can detox.

I do think the caffeine plays a part too. I'm gonna stop drinking green tea again.

[Ucat]

And Speltrong, what did you eat on your first 3 days since you got your energy levels up so quick? Were you very energetic before? I've had a problem with tiredness for a while but it is slowly becoming better with being healthier.

Did you eat superfoods? High greens and high fruit? Did you do colonics and did you drink a lot of water?

[speltrong]

Ucat, during my first three days I ate a lot of leafy greens. Mostly just salads and fruit, and yes, a lot of water. No superfoods, no colonics. I don't really think that most superfoods are all that great... more of a marketing scheme to make lots of money for those who produce and sell it. And when I first started I didn't have a dehydrator or even a blender, so it was basically whole natural foods that you could find in any supermarket. I was not super energetic before... I remember, just a couple of days into eating raw, both my husband and I were feeling like we were teenagers again. So amazing! But we had already been vegan for years, so we didn't experience any of the detox symptoms that some people talk about on here. I could see how it could take longer for other people.

[Kindred]

Do you snore? Snoring makes you tired all the time and the longer you have snored for the worse it gets over time.

Ask your partner. My girlfiend refuses to accept that she snores haha.

[CathyA.]

Everyone is different. Give yourself some time. This IS beneficial to you.

[karenisraw]

Hi,

I am one of the ones that experience the energetic euphoria and sparkely eyes from a raw vegan diet. I was 100% ORGANIC Raw for 4 months
straight. One of the things that I attribute to the euphoria and sparkely eyes was daily doses of coconut oil for breakfast, lecithen powder, wheat germ, brazil nut or two, and I believe almond butter or any kind of nut butter as well as raw cracker. I usually spread the coconut butter on the raw cracker.

When I was eating this for breakfast, I noticed that I could concentrate much much better in school.

Of course the rest of the day was green smoothies, salads, avocados, nuts and veggies in all sorts of combinations.

I only lasted Organic raw for 4 months because I could not afford it.


Good luck.


K

[Ucat]

Hiya all,

I just found out that my blood ferritin level is 26 (normal range for women 12-300), which is pretty low. I think this might have caused my fatigue and unability to feel very energetic on raw food. I have started supplementing with iron (Floravital liquid supplement) today, taking double the dose as recommended on the bottle.

Has anyone had the same problem and did supplementing with iron help?!

Thank you again

[MysticTree]

Hiya all,

I just found out that my blood ferritin level is 26 (normal range for women 12-300), which is pretty low. I think this might have caused my fatigue and unability to feel very energetic on raw food. I have started supplementing with iron (Floravital liquid supplement) today, taking double the dose as recommended on the bottle.

Has anyone had the same problem and did supplementing with iron help?!

Thank you again

Some foods prevent your body from absorbing iron, including coffee, tea, egg whites, milk, fibre and soy protein. Foods high in vitamin C will aid iron absorption.

Leafy greens are good sources of iron as are various sprouted seeds/grains.

[Ucat]

Thanks Georgina, what do you mean by fibre? Do you mean grains, veggie fibre or even fruit fibre?

[MysticTree]

dietary fibre - so you could avoid this by juicing for a spell perhaps or just reckon that you'll be hard pressed to avoid it on a raw diet and try the other things listed. It's interesting about the dairy products being a problem.

[rad vegan gal]

I only began my raw vegan journey 1 month ago and noted that in your morning green smoothies, you have quite a few fruits with high sugar contents. I did this too and felt very tired and hungry within several hours.

What I did to remedy this was to add more greens (kale, celery, dandelion greens) and less fruit (a frozen banana, a lime, maybe a few grapes if any) and it helped immensely.

If I eat too much fruit, it's like eating a whole lot of sugar--I'm very lethargic when I do this~

[Raw Angel Mom]

4) What foods are good for calming overworked adrenal glands (my bf can't handle stress very well and I think it is past trauma-based stored emotions).


I don't know if you got the answers that you are looking for because i didn't read through the thread but here is the information i got for myself, i had also this problem:

Maca helps the adrenal
Avoid protein or food very concentrate, go for amino acid from fruits.

I would do fruits in the mornings up to lunch (they are very healing and rejuvenate), if you are up to it, do more fruits at lunch.
You can do a herbs juice (romaine salad is calming and celery), add any fresh herbs in your juice and sweet with an apple or simply make a green smoothie.
For diner i would do a green salad and maybe with a light dressing (fresh orange, tomato if you want you can add avocado)

Never eat when you aren't at peace.
Drink water half hour before your meal if your urine isn't clear.

If you don't have a nice bowl movement, work into getting your GI track clean. I recommend to visit dr. Morse (morsend youtube). He offers a lot of free questions and guidances.

Wishing you all the best

[harrisperson]

I started my journey to health some two years ago, first with McComb's candida diet and then started dabbling with raw food. First making green juices every day, then starting to have raw lunches (huge salads) and slowly moving onto having raw smoothies for breakfast and weekday lunches.

[EvolveWithFlavor]

Not long at all -

I am currently doing maybe only 50% Raw Foods, but it has provided an INCREDIBLE Boost to my Energy Levels, Self-Esteem, Emotional Health, etc.

Chef Sal and Rich
www.evolvewithflavor.com

[SandyP]

I've heard people say that a raw diet can basically cure diabetes. Is this true? I know some diabetics say they feel energized after a month or so, but I can't believe that a raw diet is a cure for diabetes. I thought there was no cure...

[MysticTree]

if being symptom-less is a cure then it yes it has, in some cases cured diabetes.

[EvolveWithFlavor]

(Another) Short Answer-

Near Instantly.

When I go Raw consistently, I feel more energetic and in a higher state of consciousness.

Despite how "hard" or "extreme" it is, I tend to do better work, be more productive, and more on point.

Simple as that.

[Ucat]

Also, I think I was not eating enough fruit on my last raw food trial. Just reading 80/10/10. Starting a new 100-day challenge today, high fruit and including large green juices this time. As well as the iron supplement, at least in the beginning.

[Ucat]

Wow, I didn't get notifications to my email of all these answers. Thanks so much for all the posts, very interesting and useful. :)

[Ucat]

I've heard people say that a raw diet can basically cure diabetes. Is this true? I know some diabetics say they feel energized after a month or so, but I can't believe that a raw diet is a cure for diabetes. I thought there was no cure...

Seems like it can be cured by raw food, very quickly. If this movie is anything to go by:
"Raw for 30 days"
Trailer on you tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSUw9SaPLmA

The reason people don't say raw food cures is because it is your body that cures it if you stop feeding it toxins.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Hi, I'm new to writing on this forum but been reading/ following it for a while. I started my journey to health some two years ago, first with McComb's candida diet and then started dabbling with raw food. First making green juices every day, then starting to have raw lunches (huge salads) and slowly moving onto having raw smoothies for breakfast and weekday lunches. Then I tried 100% raw first for 11 days, going back to cooked food after, then 22 days and now I am trying to do 100 days, with a couple of cheat days in between, after eating cooked for the last month (with lots of raw smoothies). I think I am through a lot of detox already, which wasn't too painful, actually. I gave up caffeine for the last two months but started again 1.5 weeks ago, 1-3 green teas a day, at the same time as starting my latest raw food challenge. I am on day 13 now of 100 day challenge. I have couple of questions I wonder if you can help me with:

1) I've been feeling more tired in the last 13 days than during my first two raw food trials (11 and 22 days). What do you think is the likely cause.... a) drinking caffeine again after two month's free? b) detox c) too little carbohydrates or another nutritional imbalance (i eat a lot of veg, and get enough calories, but not that much fruit) d) too bored of work and commuting through central London e) not eating organic like during my other trials... f) I can't afford to make green juices right now - do you think this would be extremely useful in feeling more energetic? I get some amount of greens every day through salads and smoothies.
>>> I know this is an impossible question to answer but I though I would throw it out there and see if there are interesting educated guesses on this :) Or experiences by others...

Yeah, coffee is not going to help keep the energy up, get rid of it! Lack of energy could be partly detox, it's hard to say.

l'll cut this post short and just say this....

Get your organic green juices, this is one of the most if not the most important thing you can do. Green juices are like liquid sunlight, and sunlight is life. The mainstay of my diet now is dark green foods and l feel beyond amazing and folks tell me l look in my late 20's, eventhough l am middle age. l can tell you, forget about doing too much fruit...keep room inside to do all the high pre-disgested protein green foods and you will be looked after so well.

Try getting all your greens straight from a harvest, not from the shops. This is extremely important. Grow wheatrgrass, eat freshly picked weeds, grow sprouts and eat sea vegetables. This IS the key to everything. l mainly live on these foods and have some sprouted seed paste and sprout nuts and some fruit, but the majority of my diet is greens. My energy is limitless now and l never feel bored. When you really thrive you will enjoy doing the most boring job because you become like a child again.

l was ready to die and had no energy. Now...l look nearly half my age, l run around like a child of 10, have the enthusiasm of a child and know no limits. lf you do the diet really well you will be looked after so well. l under eat on calories now, but it doesn't matter because calories is an antiquated theory anyway. l undereat on calories, but because l am eating very high pre-digested protien foods high in sunlight l am thriving and building muscle and keeping away cravings. That is the key...fresh greens.

Also: minimise the vegies and fruit because 1 corrot or apple is said to have been equal to 20 carrots and apples 100 years ago. The only way you can get the proper nutrition these days and thrive is to make most of your diet from grasses, weeds, sprouts, algaes and sea vegetables. This is not the typical nonsense 300 years out of date raw diet that is mentioned in most raw books, this is the best 21st century diet of all, scienece does back up what l say too. The worlds leading bio-energetic doctor DR Valerie Hunt actually found grasses and soil based immature greens to be 30 times as nutritious as the best greens picked from your backyard, and found soil-less sprouts to be at least 10 times as nutritious. So there is your answer to cover the nutritional problems usually experienced with the comon raw fruit, nuts and veg diet....sprout and eat water based foods primarily, + use water based super foods because they have nutrients that land foods don't have.





3) How long does it generally take to start feeling energetic on a raw food diet? During all this time of experimenting with raw foods (on and off) I definitely haven't felt any kind of euphoria, unusual happiness or energy bursts. I am generally fairly happy and active person but am expecting to need less sleep and feel more energetic and upbeat than usual.
l was and are on the most nutritious energy producing diet humanly possible and am 100% raw, yet l didn't feel anything for the first 3 months. Then one day it went BAMMM! From that day the enegy started flowing and it has been getting stronger and stronger every day. Now l feel so energetic and lively that l have to pinch myself...l never thought this was possible, l am living the absolute dream and l am going to tell the world about it. Raw is so easy, but you need to eat the foods l mentioned.

l am too busy to answer the rest, but l am sure others here can. Just remember: minimise the fruit, nuts, seeds, and vegetables. Eliminate all the bad foods like booze and coffee. Eat: grass, weeds, sprouts, algae and seaweeds as the main foods for the reason l mentioned. lf you do this for a few months you will experience a level of well being and energy that you aren't capable of imagining.

Make nearly every single smoothie dark green, grey or black. Make the most potent mixtures humanly possible. Green foods are excellent, and black foods are amazing too. + Get full body exposure in the sun...one of the most important things ever. When you get that down, bring health to the highest level possible and do green juice enemas twice a day (l am at that stage now).

Over eating on fruit to get calories isn't good either (many reason why it is bad). People who overeat work their system too hard and they end up dying sooner. Calorie restriction on high nutritnet foods is where it is at.

+ remember, when you set the habit, it is easy to stay this way and is a pleasure to stay this way. You will eventually be drawn to the extreme simplicity of this diet. No cravings or hunger either...just great feelings and the best day ever every single day. Now you know what to do. DO IT!!!

Best of luck.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

When l start lecturing on raw, my theme is not going to be `lets make the raw food diet easy'. My theme will be: `lets grow up and get real about raw food'. We need to take the blinkers off and see the raw food situation for how it really is.

You reckon David Wolfe is excited on youtube....you wait to you see me doods. Speak simple common sense and people will do it.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

One last hint.....

the foods that have the most energy are the foods that absorb the most sunlight. The foods which absorb the most sunlight and have the most energy are the foods which have the highest amino acids levels and are also consequently the foods which are the most nutritious. These foods are in order:

1). Blue green algae
2). Green algae
3). Sea vegetables aka green, black, brown, red/purple algaes
4). Grass
5). Weeds
6). Sprouts (green ones).

Much further down the list comes vegetables.

According to one of the world's most qualified exercise doctors (Dr Ken Cooper) with 45 years clinical research experience, we also need to do at 35 minutes aerobic exercise fice days a week and also 1 - 1.5 hours of weight lifting three days a week. This is essential if you want to be truely healthy.


That's why getting out in the sunlight is also important.

Now it's time to start having the best days ever.


Regards: Mr Raw aka The Sproutarian.

[Ucat]

The Sproutarian:

Wow, that's very important information. Your story sounds genuine and exciting but I find it hard to know what to believe now since Dr. Douglas Graham of 80/10/10 diet says that getting enough calories is a key to not losing too much weight and keeping your energy levels up. The problem with greens apparently is that they don't give you enough carbs and calories....

What do you think about 80/10/10? Do you know about it?

It is kind of sobering what you say, I may still count calories but, to be honest, I don't want to eat all fruit all day, especially in Northern Europe where it is not 'natural' fruit most of the year.

Where do you get your greens from, do you grow them all yourself or do you forage from nature? Problem is, I live in a city (London) and I'm not sure it is a good idea to eat nettles etc. from the parks. They may absorb pollution or something. Although there is a huge park with a river near to me and plenty of wild-growing green plants.

How do you make a black smoothie? With sea vegetables? Can you outline your daily diet, what do you eat and in what quantities? Do you think not drinking tap water is important?

Sounds like you've hit a gold mine! I hope I manage to get through three months and find the right balance for my body to feel that amazing energy too! But as a woman my main challenge, apart from energy levels is losing too much weight.

Thanks for the important info!

[joyce09]

[QUOTE=Mr Raw;675192]One last hint.....

1). Blue green algae
2). Green algae
3). Sea vegetables aka green, black, brown, red/purple algaes
4). Grass
5). Weeds
6). Sprouts (green ones).

Now it's time to start having the best days ever.

{QUOTE]

I don't know about algeas. I have not seen them in the produce section at grocers. I always thought that the un-processed fresh foods in the produce section is the healthiest?

As for grass/weeds/sprouts, I have no problem believing in their health-producing energy. The problem is: How do you get them down? They are not pleasing to tastebuds.

[Aleesha Sattva]

Just a reminder to everyone here... this forum focuses on a healthy balanced raw food diet. It's not about only eating greens/weeds/algaes - it's about eating raw. That includes fruit, veggies, nuts and seeds.

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

[QUOTE=Mr Raw;675192]One last hint.....

1). Blue green algae
2). Green algae
3). Sea vegetables aka green, black, brown, red/purple algaes
4). Grass
5). Weeds
6). Sprouts (green ones).

Now it's time to start having the best days ever.

{QUOTE]

I don't know about algeas. I have not seen them in the produce section at grocers. I always thought that the un-processed fresh foods in the produce section is the healthiest?
Nothing can replace the fresh juices straight from a plant, but also...if you get well processed algaes you are getting a food that acts and retains energy much much differently and better than land foods. Algaes are different in that the cellular structure keeps the electromagnetic vibration (the key to everything) in the food much much longer than a land food. With land foods the electromagnetic vibration is lost after 2 or 3 weeks, even immediately after picking fruit and vegetables the vitamins and enzymes started getting depleted rapidly and the electromagnetic energy depletes and the minerals become harder to absorb, but with water based foods it is different if they are processed correctly...the electromagnetic energy is kept in the food much longer (over a year).

Land based foods need to be eaten as a base staple food, but water foods (processed algaes) have been shown in clinical research for the last 25 years to have health effects on the body that even the best land food vegan diet can't begin to produce. Not only that, there are now proper double blind scientific studies that emphasise the amazing health building abilities of processed algae, no placebo effects either...the real deal.

So, the key is to eat the best land foods as well as the water based foods. The water based foods might have more stuff in them, but it doesn't mean you should be living on algae alone, you do need lots of great land foods as well.


As for grass/weeds/sprouts, I have no problem believing in their health-producing energy. The problem is: How do you get them down? They are not pleasing to tastebuds.
Best not to be scared of this stuff. Train the taste buds! Start by eating lots of alfalfa, mung and adzuki beans...then try blending or juicing the sprouts for a while. Then add kelp until you can tolerate it. Then start juicing weeds until you can tolerate them. Give them a good chance and you will begin to like them. Make yourself a promise that you will eat or drink these things before your other main meals. The more you do it, the more you will replace the lesser foods with the algaes and other greens.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The Sproutarian:

Wow, that's very important information. Your story sounds genuine and exciting but I find it hard to know what to believe now since Dr. Douglas Graham of 80/10/10 diet says that getting enough calories is a key to not losing too much weight and keeping your energy levels up. The problem with greens apparently is that they don't give you enough carbs and calories....

What do you think about 80/10/10? Do you know about it?
Doug has good intentions, is keen and believes what he says, but he is years behind the real science of what is really going on.

80-10-10 is a trainwreck waiting to happen. l could go on and on and explain why, and l could point out how natural hygene diets have been shown to be some of the most disasterous in the last 100 odd years, but l better not...l will save that for my website and really expose it for the disaster it is. lf it was 300 years ago l could see how 80-10-10 could really work well, but these days it is very very iffy unless a person is using expensive rock dust minerals to grow all their fruit, nuts, seeds and vegetables and eating directly from the trees...but who spends thousands of dollars a year remineralising their gardens? and who eats all their foods directly from the trees? Anyway, the natural hygenist health fanatics (leaders or follwers) that have been tested at HHI (thousands of them) have all come up deficient in nutrients over the long term.


It is kind of sobering what you say, I may still count calories but, to be honest, I don't want to eat all fruit all day, especially in Northern Europe where it is not 'natural' fruit most of the year.
lf you eat an 80-10-10 type of diet l would imagine counting calories is important, but it doesn't apply when you eat a greens based diet that is high in amino acids and predigested carbs. As long as you are building muscle and exercising, the calorie counts aren't critical. You hear stories about people living on grass and weeds and they are strong and healthy...well it is all true.


Where do you get your greens from, do you grow them all yourself or do you forage from nature? Problem is, I live in a city (London) and I'm not sure it is a good idea to eat nettles etc. from the parks. They may absorb pollution or something. Although there is a huge park with a river near to me and plenty of wild-growing green plants.
The safest way is to sprout your greens via wheatgrass juice, alfalfa sprout juice, buckwheat sprout juice, chia grass juice, flax sprout green juice, sunflower green sprout green juice, fenugreek sprout juice, brocolli sprout juice, mung bean sprout juice and add algaes and sea vegetables. By sprouting your greens you won't get the problem of natural toxins like tannins, oxalic acid etc that can be a problem for many people. By sprouting you also get a nice soft fiber from immature greens which is much better on the body than conventional greens. l could go on and on but l have to be careful what l say here, l don't want Aleesha to skin me and hang me up to dry. *wink* l'll be saving lots of good stuff for my blog.


How do you make a black smoothie? With sea vegetables?
Sprouted black sesame seeds with kelp and arame.


Can you outline your daily diet, what do you eat and in what quantities?
O.k, here is an example of a typical day.

Breakfast
* 250 ml of wheatgrass juice in the morning with 2 tablespoons of AFA blue green algae. (that makes a brilliant start to the day)
* some fruit (most of the year it is picked weekly straight from the tree)

Lunch - (try to bring a juicer to work or school with you and keep it there)
* Green juice (alfalfa sprout, fenugreek sprout, chia seed sprout grass or flax sprout greens) with 15 chlorella and 10 spirulina tablets (the best algaes from the top companies, not just junk algae that is hard to absorb) and 2 digestive enzymes (digestive enzymes are very important). - 4 or 5 tablespoons of chia or flax (dry seed sprouted and 3 tablespoons of dry alfalfa seed sprouted...makes heaps of greens)
* A bowl of sesame seed sprouts and some sunflower seed sprouts or nut sprouts (always 100 grams of dry seed that you sprout in total...fills the gap easily)

Lunch can be exchanged for dinner, it depends on your lifestyle.

Dinner
* Wheatgrass juice or sometimes a green juice/smoothie of sunflower greens and buckwheat juice with 5 chlorella and 10 spirulina and sometimes a tablespoon of AFA blue-green algae added along with sea vegetables like Dulse etc. + 2 digestive enzymes. (A super powerful mix right there)
* Lentil sprouts, adzuki bean sprouts and a grain sprout like millet (most portions are 70 grams dry weight each)...makes plenty of sprouts.

Late evening snack
* A small Wheatgrass juice and maybe a few tablets of algae.
* One or two pieces of fruit.

No more than 2 tablespoons a day of sea vegetables, that is enough and will help fill you and do it's job as a high protein food. Must watch the iodine levels.




Do you think not drinking tap water is important?
Avoiding tap water is soooo crutial. Never ever drink it.

Sounds like you've hit a gold mine! I hope I manage to get through three months and find the right balance for my body to feel that amazing energy too! But as a woman my main challenge, apart from energy levels is losing too much weight.

Thanks for the important info![/QUOTE]
Yeah, losing weight will happen until you eat high amino acid foods and do weight exercises, this is important. lf you eat this diet and don't exercise you will become skin and bones. Must exercise. Just ease into it. lf you aren't losing mascle mass you are on your way.

lt's good to do weight exercises before a meal (l feel).

[Steven]

Avoiding tap water is soooo crutial. Never ever drink it.
I would care to disagree. Its better to be properly hydrated then avoid tap water and go without. Sure filtered water is best to remove all possible toxins, but not everybody can afford or have access to a decent filter.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

How's the 80-10-10 going Steve, ya still thrivin' man?

[Steven]

How's the 80-10-10 going Steve, ya still thrivin' man?
Yep, still thriving and packing in lots fruit and veg. :) I just got a gym membership and have started lifting weights, my recovery so far has been really fast with barely any soreness. I remember the few times before 811 I would be sore for days when I did exercise of any kind.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Yep, still thriving and packing in lots fruit and veg. :) I just got a gym membership and have started lifting weights, my recovery so far has been really fast with barely any soreness. I remember the few times before 811 I would be sore for days when I did exercise of any kind.

l am always interested in your progress Steve, so continue to keep us posted on how it's going from time to time. Good to see you have started the weights.

[joyce09]

Thank you. Mr. Raw. I have to study your message carefully and will try to adopt it into my diet.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

This is just one last note l will state here very quickly before l leave here again....

One of the key strong points with the diet l point out is being able to get the highly elusive EPA long chain fatty acid. For one thing, Seaweed is a direct source of EPA as well as the weed Purslane. Now these two foods are the only known vegan foods with the nutrient in them, but beware, the seaweed is not always a reliable source and the weed Purslane is hard to get the EPA from it. But as l have said, make it easier on yourself and start consuming sea vegetables most days and include Purslane whenever you can too.

Now, if you aren't getting enough EPA you might want to try the following. You need to help your body have the best chance of making the EPA itself. The best way to do this is to sprout because the sproutarian diet is the highest in minerals, vitamins and amino acids. And it has been said that "consuming good levels of protein, pyroxidine (vitamin B6), biotin (B7), calcium, copper, magnesium and zinc has been shown to improve conversion activity”. The things which are highest in these nutrients are not fruit and vegetables, but sprouts and algaes. But another factor scientists are starting to work out is getting a good ratio of omega 3 to omega 6. Some say 1 part 3's to 3-4 parts 6. And considering that chia is full of oxalic acid and that flax are very very hard to absorb, the best way this can be achieved is by sprouting both flax and chia seeds and juicing the greens or eating them. So in summery...if you eat the sea vegetables, juice Purslane, sprout many foods, and especially sprout chia and flax seeds, then you will give your body the best chance possible of getting the highly elusive EPA. Easy.

Another beauty of this diet is that sprouting increases vitamin A by up to 30,000+ %, some B vitamins up to 3,000%, vitamins C many times, vitamin E up to 600%. Some sprouts also contain the highly elusive vitamin D. Another beauty of sprouting is that the mineral content is actually increased!!! WOW! l have no idea how that happens [but l have my theories how it might happen], but it does and mineral contents can double in a variety of cases and even multiply four fold, WOW!!! Then you get an enzyme factory (more important than vitamins and minerals apparently), abundant hormones (more important than vitamins and minerals apparently), predigested proteins, pre-digested carbohydrates and pre-digested fats. WOW!!!! l could go on and on forever and a day about how great this is.

Even having half of your daily meals sprouted is putting you in a much greater position than if you aren't doing these things. Everyone needs to sprout in this day and age.

[Ucat]

Wow, that's brilliant information. I have to study it too, quite a bit there that needs some research to fully understand,.,.,

When is your website coming out? Make sure to post it here...

One extremely good side about your diet is that it would be very easy for raw foodists in Northern climates to follow. I'm from Finland and people who live there, because of the long winter, find the concept of raw food quite challenging. Eating frozen berries, imported fruit, lettuce grown under artificial lights and superfoods during the long winter doesn't seem very healthy.

Perhaps they could even learn to identify edible sea weeds in the Finnish sea...

[Ucat]

I only began my raw vegan journey 1 month ago and noted that in your morning green smoothies, you have quite a few fruits with high sugar contents. I did this too and felt very tired and hungry within several hours.


Thanks for this tip, it seemed to work this morning at least. I made a smoothie out of parsley, lime juice, tomato, chilli and other things and it kept my hunger for longer and also: I didn't experience cravings. (I left out the usual bananas, apples and dates).