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The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-17-2011, 11:07 AM
When asked about his experience with AFA, Dr. Clement shares this about a study that he implemented:

“Well, let’s start and go back 15 to 16 years ago. Victor Kulvinskas , some of the listeners may know him, the author of a book called Survival in the 21st Century, came to me and said, do you realize in Asia, for instance in Japan, 65 percent of the population gets up daily and takes a supplement called algae? My immediate reaction was, gee, that sounds very strange, but he is wise enough to send me a compilation of research that had been collected over a 50 year period, globally, and I was absolutely dumbfounded. I knew nothing about this and I read diligently and within a matter of about 30 days, I started my first research studies at the Institute, this was about 15 years ago. And what we did is separate the 294 people into two groups. One (group) was on a clay we put in veggie capsules and we were telling them they were on algae, the other half of the group of approximately 150 were on algae. Then we did a double blind study for about 18 months. And our socks were blown off because here we were believing we had the top program, dietarily, in the world with the proof of thousands of people healing disease on it and fighting off aging as I have done and everyone else who’s on it and I was shocked when I put people on this along with everything else we were doing. They were getting even healthier.”

Dr. Brian Clement and 20 Scientists were Amazed…

Dr. Clement explains why he felt so strongly that the AFA made a difference in these people’s lives and why AFA is truly “Earth’s First Food”:

“For the first three years I actually thought it was the trace minerals and the minerals that were in it that are unique to that lake. It is a volcanic ash lake and around it was a very active volcanic mountain. At the bottom of that lake, was laid about 8 to 10 feet of sedimentation. To top it all off, when you hear Oregon, you think rain. In this part of Oregon it hardly ever rains. It’s sunny practically every day. With this heating sunlight, the phytochemical process that goes on there is unique to any place else in the world. So now, at first, I thought this is what it was. It was the mineralization. Now, listen carefully, what I’m going to say is the most important thing I’ll probably talk to you on today. I have files of guests who have come here over the last 40 to 50 years- blood tests and history are there. Now, as a scientist, the one thing that I was sure of is that constitutions never change. A constitution is really the state of physiological health that a person is born with, that literally comes down from ancestry, grandparents, parents, etc. Now, one can have a bad or a weak constitution as do most people below 80 in our culture. Almost everyone listening today below 80 has a weak constitution. Living an impeccable lifestyle, eating well, having positive attitudes, exercising and living a healthy lifestyle will create longevity. But, we thought, gee, you can never change the constitution. Having a weak constitution, if you can picture it, it’s like pouring cement but not putting enough water or putting too much water in it and it’s the foundation of your house and you’re going to have cracks and crevices and holes in it. Now, what I started to see after three years of observation and blood profiles is that constitutional states started to get strong and healthy. Now, this blew my mind because I had to speak to 20 different scientists I knew who are much brighter and wiser than I on the subject and all of them basically said it’s impossible and by the end all 20, along with me, realized that this is what was happening. You are actually, by taking this algae, filling up the foundation of who you are physiologically, as well as your health, your neurological system, your organ system, the blood, everything that has to do with you as a physical being with strength. So now, if you have a strong constitution with an impeccable life style, guess what? You will not only have a long healthy life, you will have a longer, higher quality and a much healthier life and be fighting off the aging process. What we discovered is that this life form, fresh-water algae, (AFA known as LifeGive Live) was the very first life form on this planet that spread and allowed all other life to occur because it created the oxygen.”

DNA-Change Yours Today

In further studies, spanning 2-3 years, Dr. Clement found that the AFA was a very direct and powerful, but very subtle form of nutritional supplementation that few had ever understood or researched before. The DNA in each of the 7 billion+ people is what makes us individuals. DNA is the most fundamental part of a human being. Dr. Clement had found, through his studies, the AFA fills in the nooks & crannies of our DNA which could change or prevent health issues inherent to our family history. Just because your parents, grandparents and other relatives have suffered from a health condition, it does not mean you are destined for the same, especially when eating healthy food, exercising and consuming AFA.

AFA: The Star of the Show- Nutritionally Speaking - basic info. Also considered superior to Spiralina and Chlorella according to clinical research done over many thousands of patients at Hippocrates Health lnstitute. Chlorella is considered the second best health building food, better than Spiralina (clinical research to back up this claim also)

AFA stands at the top the super food pyramid because it has the most nutritionally diverse benefits.

In an interview with Dr. Brian Clement, he speaks about the AFA that is known as LifeGive Live or E3Live. Dr. Clement states that fresh water algae are 10 to 30 times more nutritious than the best vegetables on earth-foods like kale and broccoli for example. He goes on to say this about fresh water AFA:

“…the best variety in the world actually come out of Klamath Lake in Oregon, and why that is, quite simply, is because that lake is so filled in minerals that the little single cell life form thinks “I don’t have to put a hard shell on my exterior as does Spirulina”. Spirulina has a very hard shell, so even though we have nutrients in it, you can’t get them out of it because it’s like taking an egg and swallowing it. It comes out whole on the other side.”

AFA is this Klamath Lake variety of which he speaks- it is 97% usable to the body in its fresh-frozen liquid form, such as Hippocrates LifeGive Live, it is a powerful live food that can be readily assimilated by the cells in the body.

AFA is truly a complete food source. It contains 60% protein and all of the B Vitamins, including Vitamin B12 and essential amino acids. AFA contains an anti-inflammatory COX-2 inhibitor compound called Phycocyanin. Phycocyanin promotes healthy joint functioning and works as an antioxidant.

AFA is known as the “feel good food”. It is an excellent source of PEA (phenylethylamine), a compound noted for balancing mood and simultaneously increasing mental clarity. PEA is released by the brain when we experience feelings of love, joy, pleasure and after intense exercise. PEA is often deficient in the brains of depressed people and those with Attention Deficit Disorder. Taken orally, PEA readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and is immediately available to the brain.

sharpenthetool
07-17-2011, 01:32 PM
I would love to hear more about this. Did you just google AFA Blue-green algae?

willtryit
07-17-2011, 01:59 PM
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THIS INFORMATION!

(yes, i might just be shouting!)

Al

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-17-2011, 10:13 PM
I would love to hear more about this. Did you just google AFA Blue-green algae?

No, l went to the best source in the world for the information, Hippocrates Health lnstitute. They have used it on many thousands of patients and are in the best position to make such qualified comments. The HHI people don't talk through their hat like with many health folks, they speak with full qualification from clinical experience. lt doesn't get better than this.

Eat a raw fruit, nut and vegie diet and things are o.k.
Eat a raw fruit and sprout diet and things are even better (yep, ditch the vegies).
Eat a raw fruit, sprout and grass diet and things are even better.
Eat a raw fruit, sprout, grass, brown algae, and green algae diet and things are even better.
Eat a raw fruit, sprout, grass, brown algae, green algae and blue-green algae diet and the diet is the best humanly possible.

Good to add in weeds and flowers for variety as well. Why choose bottom shelf foods (vegies and unsprouted concentrated foods) when there is lots of high draw stuff available.

willtryit
07-17-2011, 11:56 PM
Thank you for all of this!

Ps. Is this the same thing as marine photoplankton?

Al

willtryit
07-18-2011, 12:18 AM
Oh..a couple questions just popped into the mix.

I think the blue green algae would be covered by the E3 live, what about the brown algae and green algae.????

I am not familair with one of the products you mentioned, lifegive 5

I went to HHI website.there is no lifegive5,or even lifegive live as a product.
They do mention e3live..which comes from Klamath Lake.

They mentioned that Chlorella is an example of green algae.e3live is the blue green algae.
All we need to do is find a source of brown algae.
Anyone know where we can find that one?



Al

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-18-2011, 12:05 PM
Thank you for all of this!

Ps. Is this the same thing as marine photoplankton?

Al
No, it's different. Marine Phytoplanton hasn't been shown to be benificial to human health so l wouldn't concern yourself with it. lf it was so good HHI would be using it. HHI know of it but have chosen to ignore it because there are no credible sources (science) that suggest it being good for human health.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-18-2011, 12:13 PM
Oh..a couple questions just popped into the mix.

I think the blue green algae would be covered by the E3 live, what about the brown algae and green algae.????

I am not familair with one of the products you mentioned, lifegive 5

I went to HHI website.there is no lifegive5,or even lifegive live as a product.
They do mention e3live..which comes from Klamath Lake.

They mentioned that Chlorella is an example of green algae.e3live is the blue green algae.
All we need to do is find a source of brown algae.
Anyone know where we can find that one?



Al

All you need is Chlorella ( a green algae and second best food on earth and the second food to appear on earth). lt is good because of two major factors: 1, the nucleic acids and 2, the outer cell wall that has a unique ability to carry heavy metals out of the body (essential for this day and age and it does it better than any other food in the world. HHI did a study of this in chernobyl and doctors and scientists were AMAZED at how well it carried toxic radiation out of the body. No other food is known to come close to Chlorella for carrying heavy metals out of the body). Many other great aspects to Chlorella too, but these are the two main ones.

AFA blue-green algae is the jewel in the crown. First food on earth and the best food on earth according to clinical studies.

Brown algae is basically kelp. lt's not really an algae but it is often cxalled vborwn algae. Use kelp, dulse and other sea vegies.

When the master diet guru Brian Clements mentioned that all humans in this day and age should be focussing there diet on three major foods groups [below] l thought he was going over the top, but l discovered that he is spot on. The diet must revolve around three major food groups:

Water based foods
* Algae (AFA blue green algae. Chlorella green algae)
* Sea vegetables (Kelp, Dulse etc)

Land foods
* Sprouts (this includes grasses)

At a level slightly lower than sprouts is weeds (weeds developed after the grasses). Vegetables should only be used sparingly as a condiment (i've never thought very highly of vegetables and usually avoid them...l don't think they are suitable at all, but can be good to use sparingly in a juice for a different flavour enhancer. Vegie juices have too many oxalites and other problems that sprout and grass juices don't have), and fruit should also be used sparingly because in this day and age much more potent foods should be taking the place of fruit so nutrition is kept to an optimal level.

Non
07-18-2011, 01:36 PM
I do believe you,but aren't you missing the fats in there? Where are the fats? Can you have sprouted seeds like flax, chia, sunflower pumpkin, sesame etc.?

Also, when you say veggies does that also include the leafy greens? How about baby greens, wouldn't that be part of a sprout? When does it stop being classified as a sprout?

Raw Angel Mom
07-18-2011, 06:43 PM
What a great post! Thank you for sharing, totally resonate with dr. Clement.

willtryit
07-18-2011, 06:52 PM
To " NON."..i think Mr Raw mentioned sesame...and flax and a couple other things you mentioned.

personally i use sprouted almonds and sunflower seeds and shoots and flax.
oh yes, Mr Raw might have referred to many of the nuts and seeds he personally sprouts in another thread here. it is a long thread and sprouting is in the title.

also avocados ..a fruit ...is another nice source of good fats.

i think i learned that there are some amounts of fats even in places you would not expect them.. but i forgot where i saw that info.

we do not need all that much, from what i understand.
Personally i find Avocados a wonderful source of fats.

alice

Non
07-18-2011, 09:46 PM
uhm, what do u mean by shoots?

I wish I could find truly raw almonds. they're only found online.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-18-2011, 09:56 PM
I do believe you,but aren't you missing the fats in there? Where are the fats? Can you have sprouted seeds like flax, chia, sunflower pumpkin, sesame etc.?
Nothing missing in this diet, it provides everything in abundance. The most nutritious diet possible!

Fats are from the seeds and nuts, eg, sesame, sunflower,chia, almond, hazel, chestnuts. To add some concentrated food (easy-to-eat calories) only sprout for a few days for seeds and maybe a week for nuts. AFA is also loaded with fat, it floats on the top of the drinks like an oil spill.


Also, when you say veggies does that also include the leafy greens?
Yes. Decent nutrition and o.k if picked fresh from the garden, but the fiber is unsuitable and the natural toxins in vegetables are hard to overcome and can cause mineral inbalances in the body. No such problem with sprouts with mineral inbalances.


How about baby greens, wouldn't that be part of a sprout?
Possibly.

When does it stop being classified as a sprout?
When it is not biogenic, or in other words, when it stops being a seed baring mother.

lf you plant a biogenic seed it will grow in to a baby plant (a sprout), and if you let it grow longer it will grow into a tree that will grow seeds on it. This is an example of a biogenic seed that has grown. Sprouts have the extra power because they need to produce babies (seeds).

Vegetable seeds don't produce babies - edit = (this statement is actually wrong), that is why vegetables have alot less power and vitality in them than sprouts. Vegies are also more easily destroyed in nature than sprout plants (biogenic mothers) and sprout mothers have more developed root systems that pick up alot more trace minerals than vegies because the roots go deeper into the ground. Vegies are a really silly thing and l don't understand why people are eating such food.

Vegetable seeds don't turn into trees that grow seeds. Eg, put brocolli seeds into the ground and the end result is brocolli with no seeds. Put a carrot into the ground and the result is a carrot with no seeds. Compare vegetable juice to sprout juices and see which is more powerful. _ edit = (this statement is actually wrong)

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-18-2011, 10:07 PM
What a great post! Thank you for sharing, totally resonate with dr. Clement.

Dr Clement is the best. He resonates with me greatly because l think about alot of these things before l even come across his view points and research. l don't just follow anything he says, but we think alike. + he has the clinical research and science to back up his claims on what he says about food (very few health food people can speak with such authority).

l still do question Dr Clements on some things (the high protein diet he says we need and that hybrid fruit is 30 times as sweet as olden day fruit), but on the whole l am convinced he has most of the answers. l don't understand why more people aren't following his advice.



we do not need all that much, from what i understand.
lt is very easy to get fats. Eat some avocato and seeds/nuts and it very quickly adds up.


Personally i find Avocados a wonderful source of fats.

alice
Yes, eat 2.5 medium size a day and most people have all their fat needs. But if you eat 65 grams of fat you need to make sure you are getting alot more carbs in your system and increase you calorie count a fair bit so calories from fat is far less than from carbs. Dr Graham research shows that raw food people are similar to SAD people...they have diets very high in fat and are in health risk categories. So yeah, watch the fat.



I wish I could find truly raw almonds. they're only found online.
lt's best to do your research and find a farm or someone's backyard where they have nut trees. Make it a rule to avoid buying nuts from shops, l do.

There is one business in U.S.A that does sell truely raw almonds.

Steven
07-18-2011, 10:30 PM
Well in the medical literature there's at least once instance of acute rhabdomyolsis (rapid muscle wasting, which leads to myoglobinuria, where large amounts of protein are released in the urine, causing it to turn dark brown, and which can lead to kidney damage/failure) occurring in a healthy adult male as a result of consuming 3g of spirulina (the recommended daily dose on the bottle) for 1 month (all symptoms vanished after hospital treatment and discontinuation of spirulina supplementation):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18434120
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Spirulina products are often contaminated with other forms of cyanobacteria that produce hepatotoxic microcystins, which are a known risk to human health:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02652030701822045 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18259982
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12492223
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There are also numerous reported cases of chlorellosis in humans and animals, where chlorella organisms invade the body, including the nervous system and vital organs: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19176504
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f1715j35m4852grw/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10926448).
*


I saw this posted on another forum discussing protein and the consumption of spirulina came up. Thought Id share it.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-18-2011, 10:51 PM
I saw this posted on another forum discussing protein and the consumption of spirulina came up. Thought Id share it.

Government research is neither here nor there because they can't be trusted to speak the truth. So much government research lacks credibility because they are controlled by people with heavily vested interests. Governments are bought off by big pharma and they are not going to start rocking the boat by heavily researching natural foods. Governments usually are into promoting things that are bad for us, that's why l don't take them seriously, nor should anyone else. Brainwashing is a large part of what they do also.

lf you posted sources that were credible l would be the first person to listen and take them seriously. lt is no mistake that HHI and millions of people have been using algae safely around the world for decades. Sure there have been some contamination that have killed people, but that means algae business' need to be more careful. lt's not the algae, it is the contamination issue that needs to be carefully watched.

This study (you posted it) is the only one of any interest, but again it is only a small point:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f1715j35m4852grw/

Steve: post real studies please.

manker
07-18-2011, 11:31 PM
Quick question, I juice kale to get vitamin k would you mind giving a short run down of vitamins in a few different kinds of sprouts like wheatgrass and mung beans? Thanks!

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2011, 12:44 AM
Quick question, I juice kale to get vitamin k would you mind giving a short run down of vitamins in a few different kinds of sprouts like wheatgrass and mung beans? Thanks!

The universe has about 114 different elements discovered so far (not minerals, but elements) and wheatgrass has 96 of them. Nuff said. Wheatgrass has a whole spectrum of vitamins and minerals in very small amounts, but it is not this that makes it so special, it is the phyto-nutrients, the almost entire spectrum of elements (including rare elements) and many factors unidentified by science that makes it really special. Science continues to make numerous exciting finds about wheatgrass (for example the newly discovered phyto nutrients) and will continue to make exciting finds. Wheatgrass is brilliant and one day we will know the full storey when science becomes more advanced.

l wouldn't concern yourself with limiting your thinking to only vitamins and minerals because there are much more to the wheatgrass storey than that, but some of the more commonly known stuff in wheatgrass is:

* Vitamin B1, B2 ,B3, B5, B6, Choline, Vitamin PABA, Vitamin A (beta carotene), vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin F, Vitamin K. lt has most of the minerals if not all of them in small amounts.

Mung beans have plenty of anti aging factors too and so do other sprouts. Sesame seeds sprouts are the only vegan source of Vitamin T that l know of (not really a vitamin but it’s sometimes called that name).
It is important to use sesame seeds, poppy seeds , chia seeds, lentils,mung and other concentrated foods to get the zinc levels high. When you concentrate on these foods other nutrients will be taken care of (wish l had more time to write a better post but it would take hours to do). The foods may be concentrated but they are still partially digested if they are sprouted for the appropriate short – medium time period, and the inhibitors are also taken away if sprouted for an optimal period.

Sprouts are the highest sources of vitamins by far!!! Sprouting also makes a good amount of minerals available in an easy form. Sprouting breaks down the heavy concentrates and removes nutrient inhibitors so bodies won't be stripped of nutrients. Drinking vegie juice can strip bodies if not done right (dark green vegie juices are very risky), but sprout juices are much safer if done right (not near as risky. No risk if done right).

I could give vitamin and mineral counts all day, but the point is…if you eat a wide variety of sprouts from the four major groups (nut, seed, legume and beans) and eat the algae and sea veggies you will get the finest nutrition that the world can provide. The key is to eat lots of greens, but just as important is to eat lots of concentrated foods so you get the calories, proteins, carbohydrates, and minerals. Concentrated foods are: sesame seed sprouts (sprout only 2 – 3 days), poppy seed sprouts, sunflower seeds (sprout 3 – 4 days), Flax, chia, nut sprouts, grain sprouts (3 or 5 days), pea sprouts (2 – 5 days), algae and sea veggies etc.

Sometimes i'll sprout legumes for 3 days, other days i'll sprout the same legume for 7 days...it all depends on what nutrition l want to get out of the plant and what l want to achieve. Sprouts are great that way, you can completely manipulate them for various purposes. Another important thing is you have control over what water they are fed.

When you concentrate on sprouts, algae and sea veggies it is easy to smash the RDA’s. lt is much harder to do if you don’t sprout your foods. Sprouts are the key and the algae and sea veggies top it off.

Sprouts also grow much better under red lights apparently, and also grow better with wire rapped around them (apparently).

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 12:45 AM
Vegies are a really silly thing and l don't understand why people are eating such food.

Vegetable seeds don't turn into trees that grow seeds. Eg, put brocolli seeds into the ground and the end result is brocolli with no seeds. Put a carrot into the ground and the result is a carrot with no seeds. Compare vegetable juice to sprout juices and see which is more powerful.

My carrots and broccoli, when I grow them, produce seed. I am confused by what you mean unless you mean the the part of the veggie eaten isn't the seed bearing part of the plant. Broccoli is the early stages of seed ... albeit unopened and therefore unpollenated flowers.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2011, 01:44 AM
My carrots and broccoli, when I grow them, produce seed. I am confused by what you mean unless you mean the the part of the veggie eaten isn't the seed bearing part of the plant. Broccoli is the early stages of seed ... albeit unopened and therefore unpollenated flowers.

l did mean the part you eat but l am still not quite right./

Yeah, l don't l quite have this right, l am far from knowledgable on this part of the subject/plants. l know the sprouting seeds are different to the seeds used to grow vegetables, the sprouting seeds are called biogenic and they produce immature greens, but l really need to get my facts straight on this because l have always been vague in this area.

l'll call afew people and get back to this topic. Give me some time.

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 01:48 AM
if you let the micro-greens grow, they turn into the adult plant of the seed you have grown,

So, radish seeds for sprouting will become radishes if you let them etc.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2011, 02:00 AM
if you let the micro-greens grow, they turn into the adult plant of the seed you have grown,

So, radish seeds for sprouting will become radishes if you let them etc.

Yeah, you are right. Friends have done the same thing with sunflower and fenugreek. l've done similar things with various seeds in the compost. l was thinking of vegetables seeds, but l suppose it's the same thing for them as well, and not the result of hybridisation of vegie seeds.

This is not my area of study at all, l am a fish out of water with all this stuff.

You got me Mystic Tree, you got me. *wink wink*

Mystic Tree = 1
Mr Raw = 0
Steve = 0

;)

Regards: Mr Raw.



Dr Brian Clement says it too. "A weed is a baby and a sprout is a mother" (youtube link from 6:00 - 6:05)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY9ipBOwRP8

Yep, l was wrong. l should edit my statement but l won't.

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 02:26 AM
I wasn't trying to "get you" I was just a bit baffled :)

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2011, 04:10 AM
I wasn't trying to "get you" I was just a bit baffled :)

Come on Ms Tree, you love it when you get me stuck and l fall flat on my face, hehe. ;)

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 04:23 AM
Come on Ms Tree, you love it when you get me stuck and l fall flat on my face, hehe. ;)

No I don't. You have me all wrong.

willtryit
07-19-2011, 05:27 AM
Yes, Mr Raw
i think you have Mystic all wrong..maybe you have all of us wrong.

We are here to learn and share what we have learned..and ask questions when it seems like something which is unclear or perhaps not what we personally have learned.

Call it 'a lively exchange of ideas'.

I was going to question the facta about plants going to seed also.
Like broccoli.
Things have been answered.
That is why we are ALL contributing here.
We are all learning.

Cheerio
And THANK YOU!
Alice

Non
07-19-2011, 05:44 AM
Only thing I don't like about sprouts is that if you use sprouts only, where dot he explicit carbs come from? legume and grain sprouts? Those are hard to digest. At least the legume sprouts, they give me lots of gas...

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 06:23 AM
you still get carbs from sprouts

this shows nutrition for sprouted lentils for example.

http://tinyurl.com/3ldgv8t

I don't find that they give me gas when they are raw, sprouted - cooked was a different matter!

Non
07-19-2011, 06:42 AM
I guessit depends on how long you sprout them. The long sprouts of mung bean don't give me gas. Other sprouts I've tried but they're not leguminous.

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 06:44 AM
I guessit depends on how long you sprout them. The long sprouts of mung bean don't give me gas. Other sprouts I've tried but they're not leguminous.

I guess and everyone if different of course.

T-Bird
07-19-2011, 08:28 AM
back on seed issue if I may, Mr. Raw.

the majority of the crops available in grocery stores are hybrids - if we're lucky - and not gmo.

A true hybrid in this sense does not breed true. It's children, while of the same veg, may look/taste different.

Old fashioned gardening, as I am doing, is more dependent on heirloom seeds - open pollinated. They breed true.

Now the most basic of hybrid, is just a happy cross of two heirlooms that came out with desirable characteristics. Some may be crosses from 2 generations down, but they always started with the old fashioned heirlooms. And you can develop them to breed true in certain cases - they become an open pollinated form themselves....

Some plants do not set seed year one - but are biennials - onions, beets, carrots, etc. Year one they gather energy for their roots, year two they flower and seed. We generally steal the roots for ourselves......

I do incidentally have a carrot from last years garden going to seed this year. It is striking and truly beautiful!

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 08:42 AM
back on seed issue if I may, Mr. Raw.

the majority of the crops available in grocery stores are hybrids - if we're lucky - and not gmo.

A true hybrid in this sense does not breed true. It's children, while of the same veg, may look/taste different.

Old fashioned gardening, as I am doing, is more dependent on heirloom seeds - open pollinated. They breed true.

Now the most basic of hybrid, is just a happy cross of two heirlooms that came out with desirable characteristics. Some may be crosses from 2 generations down, but they always started with the old fashioned heirlooms. And you can develop them to breed true in certain cases - they become an open pollinated form themselves....

Some plants do not set seed year one - but are biennials - onions, beets, carrots, etc. Year one they gather energy for their roots, year two they flower and seed. We generally steal the roots for ourselves......

I do incidentally have a carrot from last years garden going to seed this year. It is striking and truly beautiful!

I try to avoid growing anything that is an F1 because of just this issue of not coming true. It's very satisfying to collect seed to take the crop forward to next year.

T-Bird
07-19-2011, 09:21 AM
my tomatoes were a dismal failure this year - only 3 seedling came through for me.

I was however blessed with 3 volunteers from last years tomato bed....I had over 12 varieties of heirlooms plus a few others, so what these may have in store for me, I do not not know! They are twice the size of my seedlings. and have finally set some fruit.

But these are likely hybrid of one sort or another...

Also - getting some action in the compost pile! I have given it over to the volunteers, have several spaghetti squash and maybe others, plus a few tomatoes, setting flowers.

My planted and nurtured seedlings - still no flowers.

Usually - I take care of the garden. And sometimes, it takes care of me.....

MysticTree
07-19-2011, 09:39 AM
my tomatoes were a dismal failure this year - only 3 seedling came through for me.

I was however blessed with 3 volunteers from last years tomato bed....I had over 12 varieties of heirlooms plus a few others, so what these may have in store for me, I do not not know! They are twice the size of my seedlings. and have finally set some fruit.

But these are likely hybrid of one sort or another...

Also - getting some action in the compost pile! I have given it over to the volunteers, have several spaghetti squash and maybe others, plus a few tomatoes, setting flowers.

My planted and nurtured seedlings - still no flowers.

Usually - I take care of the garden. And sometimes, it takes care of me.....

:heart

I love gardens.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2011, 12:05 PM
Only thing I don't like about sprouts is that if you use sprouts only, where dot he explicit carbs come from? legume and grain sprouts?
Lots of carbs from grains, peas and legumes. Nuts and seeds are also good sources of carbs, but not as good as the previous three groups mentioned.


Those are hard to digest. At least the legume sprouts, they give me lots of gas...
lnteresting how everyone is different. Try taking digestive enzymes with the legumes sprouts or try sprouting them for a longer period. lf you sprout for longer you will need to eat ALOT more because the bulk increases. Sprouting for longer periods makes it hard to get all the calories required if you eat a really well balanced diet with loads of carbs and limit the fat intake.

Yes, lots of trade offs happen with sprouting. You can sprout for longer to get rid of the uric acid and make the sprout predigested to the highest possible level, but you need to eat more bulk to receive the benefit. This takes a large stomach capacity and time if a diet is well balanced. And that's before the greens are added. That's why l think it is important to juice greens a few times a day (less bulk to add). lf you sprout the concentrated foods for longer and add greens in, the meals become HUGE, that's why it can be good to take some of the load off with juicing greens. l can fit in over 2 liters of dark green smoothie at a sitting (two big Vitamix blenders full of compact sprouts each meal) no problem, but not everyone can.

Non
07-19-2011, 01:34 PM
well, I don't try to get "loads" of carbs. I'm more of a low-moderate carb guy sorta like Gabriel Cousens suggest in his books. Higher protein, moderate fat (15-40% of calories), low-moderate carbs depending on lifestyle.

So really low carb sprouts isn't a big deal when I add other veggies. I can also do the ketogenic raw diet.

Supposed to be similar to the Zone diet or modified atkins.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-25-2011, 04:41 PM
AFA is incredible! l feel so at peace with everything when consuming this blue-green algae product. The hardest work days feel like a holiday because my mind is so peaced out. No stress. The impact on the mind is amazing. l find that having 5 big teaspoons a day really helps me.

Vrindavan
12-23-2011, 03:29 AM
Lake Klamath is ok ? contamination ?

powder is the same to liquid form ?