Emergency Preparedness

[willtryit]

Hello.. Many people are talking about having food available incase of State,National,or World disasters..short or long term.

Any ideas as to what you would try to have on hand incase of emergencies?

Perhaps this thread could have responses in list form.

I would think it would be good to have on hand

Seeds for sprouting
Extra water
Seeds,nuts
Almonds,cashews sesame seeds
Dried fruit
Dates,figs,raisins

Any otherideas?
Al

[Raw Angel Mom]

Something to filter your water or make it safe to drink.

[willtryit]

I looked on the internet and did a search for emergency preparedness middle and could not find a site of that name.
Any suggestions?

I posted this question here as our requirements,being raw are in some wYs very very very different ..we do not buy MRE's,nor cooked food supplies.

That was the line which i wanted to cover in this thread.
There Re a lot of emergency sites out there. But few cover our needs
We do not need stoves,or cooking devices.

So, may we stick to the essentials of raw foodists?

Thanks
Al

[Namaste Mama]

I can tell you what I store.

I have a 72 hour kit with The following

6 Lara Bars ( know controversial, but I figure ok in an emgerency)
1 Bag of individually packaged Raw Trail Mix from Trader Joes
1 package each dried Raw Bananas, Mango, and apples
Freeze Dried Just Tomatoes Just Veggies
Greens First Travel Packs( Also have 12 jars of their regular size in my freezer)

I have a water filter bottle in the 72 hour kits, as well as a big berkey water filter, and a Kaytadyn waterfilter. I store 200 gallons of drinking water ( i have a big family)

for more longer term I store lots of spout seeds, wheat berries to sprout and for wheat grass. Lots of freeze dried and regular dried fruits and Veggies. Alpine Aire and Just Tomatoes are two of my favorites. I also store 25lbs of almonds and dates in my freezer. I also have 100 pounds of flax seeds sealed in cans with oxygen absorbers. EVOO in cans will store for a long time in a cool dark spot.

I also think gardening is very important as well. When you have a diet high in veggies its important to know this skill.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Hello.. Many people are talking about having food available incase of State,National,or World disasters..short or long term.

Any ideas as to what you would try to have on hand incase of emergencies?

Perhaps this thread could have responses in list form.

I would think it would be good to have on hand

Seeds for sprouting
Extra water
Seeds,nuts
Almonds,cashews sesame seeds
Dried fruit
Dates,figs,raisins

Any otherideas?
Al

l am preparing because l expect major changes in the next 18 months. Listen to this amazing link, it will blow your head clean off it's hinges. 2 hours of youtube, but the best links ever!!! A convincing case as to why 2012 is going to be very different.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEyqT2_ricA&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zAMdYC80sE&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqkZR2PSR4&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEyqT2_ricA&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SP896AC77DBAEE6E87

Any other ideas? Yes.

Definitely store seeds just in case, they will be more valuable than gold.

Learn to meditate so you can cut down your food needs to only a fraction (the most important thing you can do).

Store these seeds and learn how to grow them into trees:
* sesame seeds
* mung beans
* adzuki beans
* lentils

Keep a manual steel juicer on hand. Also be prepared to live off grasses and weeds for your greens.

lf the infrastructure breaks down (very very easy) then we are in deep trouble. lt only takes one solar flare and we lose all power, can't use cars, have no ,money, no water comes out of taps etc. We have to have an action plan.

lt is said that organic food from health food stores won't exist before too long, so it is best to find a big block of land and start up a raw community where everyone plant seeds that grow all the various foods before they are lost forever, eg, fruit trees, nut trees, legume trees, seed trees, grain plants. l know my days of buying organic seeds for sprouting are numbered and l am actively searching for land to set up such a community.

[Namaste Mama]

We are buying some land in Arizona to do just that. Arizona has 2 growing seasons, no natural disaster threats like hurricanes or tornadoes and with a nice deep well you are set.

[MysticTree]

We are buying some land in Arizona to do just that. Arizona has 2 growing seasons, no natural disaster threats like hurricanes or tornadoes and with a nice deep well you are set.

That sounds blissful. I wish you all the very best for your new life :heart

[willtryit]

Mr Raw!
Namaste Mama
mystic tree..
We are ALL "ON THE SAME PAGE !""

I am totally convinced that NOW is the time to act..hopefully will not be too late.

Ok Namaste Mama..i have been looking in Arizona also.!!.
i live in the Northeast at the moment.
I was looking near Buckeye..
Is that anywhere near where you are looking..???

I will get my e mail address to you if there is anything you might want to share. ..i know you do not know me..but i do not know anyone to talk to about this.. no one. everyone i know thinks i am nuts...really.. They think i have been reading too much science fiction.! It is terrible.

Anyway, i have been working on this for a while..so i am not totally unprepared.
I have a number of different kits of
batteries and devices and rechargers..thinking solar recharger, but you need sun.,"(no problem of that in Arizona!)
i also have a box of barterables",
water filtration items (distillers)
and am now working on food..which is why i posted this thread.

I only have some seeds on hand(alfalfa)
,but KNOW that is my next area to work on.like NOW
THANK YOU MR RAW FOR THE specifics.
.i am going to get some peas also, and more alfalfa and clover and fenugreek
I have scads of sprouting jars,etc..5 gallon buckets, etc.hoses.
i.need to pick up some planting trays.

hearing specifics from fellow raw foodists is really really valiuable.!! Thank you
We are all thinking alike.. Can we keep in touch a bit through this board?
well, only as much or as little as we can.. i think you folks are all busy..but thank you foir taking the time to respond..it is much appreciated.
if you think of anything share worthy, perhaps this thread would be as good a place as any.

I will understand,MR RAW , if you do not post much here.
You have more than a little on the go at the moment!
same with you , Mama.
Thank you all once again
Al

[Arky]

(I'm speaking generally, here, not aiming this at anyone in this thread)

What is it about the USA that as soon as everyone's little bubble of capitalistic luxury looks to be even slightly at risk, the general public throws up its arms in horror and goes scuttling to buy this, that and the other, to shield themselves from any conceivable loss of comfort and security?

Some would say it's human nature, and I suppose there's a degree of truth in that (whatever 'truth' might relativistically be considered to be ;) )

Others would argue that the media in the USA is possibly the most adept in the world at orchestrating mass paranoia and hysteria in the general populace, with the net result that those in power retain or even increase their power, and make billions of dollars from the mass panic buying so-generated. Like good little puppets, the television-viewing public see sensationalised doom and gloom on their screens and compliantly and unquestioningly go into the orchestrated mode of panic-driven mass-consumerism.

Is the loss of a few luxuries, or even one's death, really such a terrible thing? We're all going to die one day, anyway, regardless of whether or not we live in absurd denial of this basic fact of life.

There are people literally dying in Africa at the moment but do you see this populace in mass hysteria? No. They have an extraordinary dignity in their situation of mortal danger, and their government do not seek to drum up hysteria or exact any gain from the situation.

Whenever I see orchestrated panic in a population, I am reminded of the first chapter of Jed McKenna's 'Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment'. Controversial and misunderstood though the book may be, that first chapter would be worthy of any school English class, if only to make young adults pause for just a moment to consider the possibility that their socially-conditioned, personal life-bubble might not be the be-all and end-all of existence.


"...and now, back to our regular programming.." :D

[willtryit]

That's funny. I do not even own a television ...
And i do not listen to most newscasts.

No,my friend, although there may be a tad of truth in what you said,
Not much, i am afraid.

And one of the major posters in this thread comes from Australia,and another one from UK..

More of your bubbles popping, i think.

Yes, perhaps you may have some gereralities correct.

But what do you think about "good,old fashioned common sense " as a motivator..that could be one of the reasons why a family might plan for different eventualities which might come up.
Children have every right to be cared for as best as their parents see fit.
They are the caretakers,not you.

I am still chuckling about your description of those (us?..to whom you addressed your post? ) as living in luxury.!

Well,yes, compared to Africa,we might have a few more luxuries..like flush toilets. But i do have a bucket in my garage and some kitty litter incase we ever lose lavoratories priviledges.!

No..all your post does is make me amused.
But there may be a morsel of truth, but why address your thoughts here?
Are they constructive?
Unless you have some constructive response to the topic /question pertaining to the thread, i think your thoughts are better addressed elsewhere.
Thank you
Al

[Namaste Mama]

One thing to remember is if you are prepared there is no reason to panic of fear. Also while I strive to eat raw for my health, I am not against storing other food such as beans, Quinoa, buckwheat etc. It better to be prudent and something to eat rather than be stubborn and have nothing at all.

[willtryit]

absolutely!

the last thing we need is panic, that is why it is good just to be prepared the most or little as we can manage.

i also would not hesitate to eat cooked food.

but we need not discuss the philosophical stuff here, in the interest of time.

i should have let my reply (to the nice gentleman who posted his 'personal thoughts' )
be the above simple sentence.
we need not discuss philosophical things here.
this is just intended as an informational thread.

thanks for that, Mama.
alice

[Namaste Mama]

I didn't see an option to PM you, but you can email me at (deleated, but anyone else please PM me) if you want to chat more. ;)

[willtryit]

thank you so much.. will do..(send you an 'e')

i am such a "non-tech person" !!!
groan
.. i could not figure out how to set up pm'ming on this site. at my user CP.
i did try.!

if you want, you can erase your e mail information post..
i have noted it and will send one off to you as soon as i leave here.

thank you !

alice

[manker]

I haven't watched those YouTube videos yet but my teacher talked about some drastic change in 18 months too, especially in the US and affecting food supply and not being able to get say mangos in winter... Anyways, I saw someone wrote something about 72 hr supply but how long is everyone keeping supply on hand for?

[Namaste Mama]

We have a year+ for 8 people plus a 72 hour kit for each person.I call it a 72 hour kit because that is what they are commonly known as, but we keep 5 days plu of food for each family member.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Some highly spiritual sources have reported that 2012 is going ahead. Reports are that a star is hovering just outside of Neptune and Pluto right now. Lots of trouble ahead for the earth. Don't expect reports from NASA, they are controlled by corrupt people.

A pyramid is being built up north and my friend has been invited up to investigate. We need the pyramid for protection just in case the Earth begins to shake.,

Are all these people crazy? l don't know, but my links from David Wilcock makes me think that maybe they know what is going on. Highly spiritual people that survive on almost nothing (almost breatharian) are highly connected to the universe and seem to be getting the information. l am preparing.

[Shine]

I like to be prepared just to be prepared. My husband and I both have jobs right now, but tomorrow who knows? I think it's wise to prepare for a time when you might have less.

We have a few five gallon buckets filled with beans and some with grains. We keep excess carrots in five gallon buckets filled with sand to keep them fresh (great way to store abundant carrots from your harvest!! This might work with apples too but I haven't tried it yet). We have ball jars with dried fruits and some canned. Keeping your own garden is a great way to make sure you have surplus. I have extra filters for my water filter (use it all the time camping/hiking) and that will filter lots if kept clean. I fell in love all over again when John came home with 10 gallons of raw honey he picked up at the farmers market to add to the "what if" stash.... :o

There is a great mag that has info on storing and spouting in this addition.

Since I have the option now to prepare for what if, I am going to!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Being a sproutarian l always have a large stock of seed stored up because sometimes seeds can be hard to get due to unpredictable factors, so l often have a year supply of at least 25 different seeds. So that's hundreds of kilo's of seed and can be stretched out for at least a couple of years. lf l forgo the grain and seeds for greens and sprout them for 2 - 5 days instead of 7 - 10 days l can probably get another 1.5 years out of all my seeds. So l potentially have 3.5 years worth of food if l eat carefully. Next year l will stock up with extra nuts, grains and some other cheap items just in case, so l could potentially survive 5 years without even having to worry. lf changes don't happen l will naturally use the excess seed (mainly grains) for growing my usual grass and trade the nuts for barter. l can get the grain and nuts cheap so l won't be out of pocket too much.

Definitely worth getting a few 25kg sack of wholegrain seed. lf nothing happens in 2012 you can always grow grass on trays and juice it for greens or make sprouted grain milk.

[MysticTree]

(I'm speaking generally, here, not aiming this at anyone in this thread)

What is it about the USA that as soon as everyone's little bubble of capitalistic luxury looks to be even slightly at risk, the general public throws up its arms in horror and goes scuttling to buy this, that and the other, to shield themselves from any conceivable loss of comfort and security?

Some would say it's human nature, and I suppose there's a degree of truth in that (whatever 'truth' might relativistically be considered to be ;) )

Others would argue that the media in the USA is possibly the most adept in the world at orchestrating mass paranoia and hysteria in the general populace, with the net result that those in power retain or even increase their power, and make billions of dollars from the mass panic buying so-generated. Like good little puppets, the television-viewing public see sensationalised doom and gloom on their screens and compliantly and unquestioningly go into the orchestrated mode of panic-driven mass-consumerism.

Is the loss of a few luxuries, or even one's death, really such a terrible thing? We're all going to die one day, anyway, regardless of whether or not we live in absurd denial of this basic fact of life.

There are people literally dying in Africa at the moment but do you see this populace in mass hysteria? No. They have an extraordinary dignity in their situation of mortal danger, and their government do not seek to drum up hysteria or exact any gain from the situation.

Whenever I see orchestrated panic in a population, I am reminded of the first chapter of Jed McKenna's 'Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment'. Controversial and misunderstood though the book may be, that first chapter would be worthy of any school English class, if only to make young adults pause for just a moment to consider the possibility that their socially-conditioned, personal life-bubble might not be the be-all and end-all of existence.


"...and now, back to our regular programming.." :D

I often think when when people are banging on about saving the environment ... what they actually mean is OUR environment.

Come the time when there might be any kind of meltdown of the infrastructure, it will be the people with the best weapons that win the small reserves of food and land to grow food on. I'm happy to go in the first wave even though I expect it would be rather horrid.

[willtryit]

I was wondering is small amounts of seeds would best be vacuum sealed to keep them longer.i realise that a cool,dry place is the best.

Vacuum sealing ,say, bags of .5 KG or 1 KG each...
Would thAt help extend seed life.?

The area i live in is NOT cool and dry year round.

(Yes, i have a feeling ,Mr Raw, that you do not fiddle around too much with the small stuff.. He he..(that is a compliment,sort of)..( are a rather BIG TIME serious person..who thinks big And acts full throttle, (it seems to me )to do what you believe in.! that is a GOOD THING.!)

***actually, that IS a compliment..your big heart and passionate nature ..well, i for one am grateful for them..! I was going to tell you , incase the power goes out soon, here is a big hug to Mr Raw..****

Now back to the question
But i live in a small space and try to keep my boundaries small.
Any suggestions anyone for people who are not planning to have so much on hand..but want to maximise whAt i do.For effectiveness.
Would vacuum sealing help.
Ps my fridge and freezer are small.no plans on getting more



Thanks

Al

[Shine]

I was wondering is small amounts of seeds would best be vacuum sealed to keep them longer.

Yes, I would think so. I vaccume seal food in small amounts for canoe/camping trips where I am gone for two plus weeks. In my experience with this, I find vacuum sealing to keep food fresh. I bring dehydrated items (meals) as well as bags of seeds which we sprout for fresh food while "in the wild."

At the very least, I would say it's worth trying.

[willtryit]

THANK YOU ,SHINE !

Going to go and look for a vaccy sealer soon.!!
What fun!

Thanks again,

Alice

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

This is a certain guru's predictions for 2012 based on conversations he has had with extraterestial species and information from the crop circles. But first some clearing up of information.

First, the crop circles are both fake and real. The governments started paying people to make crop circles so they would believe that they were really fake, but many are actually warnings in the cosmic language warning us to change our ways fast. The governements do know about this and have met the various 3,000 varieties of alien here on earth and have allowed the abuctions and cattle mutilations to happen in exchange for information. lt is actually true that the governments have thousands of miles of underground bunkers with state of the art technology, 5 year supply of food etc etc.

A friend of mine is in touch with this highly spiritual guru and is meeting him soon. This is what the guru says about the future:

The rats will be one of the first creatures to pick up on the magnetic changes in the earth. ln Australia all the rats will flee and head for central Australia. WOW!!! This is true. l've had a rat invasion that has eaten all my wheatgrass trays outside since last year, but in the last month something strange has occured, THE RATS HAVE ALL DISAPPEARED! So yes, what he says is coming true. All the animals can feel the magnetic changes in the earth, so can highly evolved people.

Now for the bad part.........

ln Ethiopia there is a huge crack that has been opening up (don't expect media reports of this type of stuff, they work with govenments and want us kept in the dark). lt is currently 35 km long and is opening up more and more. The aliens have warned us that next year a big earthquake will occur on a scale we have never seen, and it will occur in Ethiopia. lt won't measure a 9, it will measure 20 on the scale!!! lt will wipe out Africa, much of Europe, U.K, U.S.A and Australia with floods. Some people will survive if they know where to go. For me the aliens have said l need to go inland to a certain area in the middle of nowhere in the desert...no plants or water, nothing. Life is going to be tough but that's what we need to do apparently. Will have to dig for water, sprouting will be a challenge, hardly any grasses or weeds...it will bring us to our knees. But for the highly eveloved raw food folks and vegans who are meditating there will be a chance to levitate and experience the other 97% of our DNA (we only experience 3% now). With 100% use of our DNA we have the intelligence of a GOD and we can travel in all 10 dimensions, go into the past and move into the future and travel all through the universe, but only some people will have the chance to experience this. For the ones left on the earth, they will experience a significant increase in I.Q and will be left to live on a peaceful earth much much wiser. No more money, cars, crime or corruption...humans will be changed forever after this event.

The David Wilcock youtube video's l posted on the first page does mention some of this stuff, but other people are talking about it too. l think this might be it.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The aliens say that we can prevent the big disaster ahead, but we need to raise up as one and stop eating meat, become vegan, become much better people and meditate.

The earth has all these bad reactions like volcanos and earthquakes because of all the negative energy bulit up. Thge more man has strayed from the true path the more these bad things happen. That's what the aliens have told people.

Here are some interesting youtube video's that may suggest the strongest argument that aliens are around:

An apparent alien built shed on Mars:
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/73546/Bio_Station_Alpha_on_MarsThe_latest_discovery__/

Alien buildings on the dark side of the moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIW2cLOgMl8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmIRU72b9_k

NASA and the governments know about this stuff. Apparently aliens are everywhere. On the moon, here on Mars under the ground, everywhere. We are kept in the dark about it all, we know nothing, but some people do know.

[Namaste Mama]

I will say storage wise, my mung bean sprouts and wheat berries did the best. Mung beans stored for 5 years and still sprouted and the wheat berries made it 10 and still sprouted. I had other sprouts vaccum packed ans none of them sprouted after 2 years.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

This is the fellow we are going to meet. My friend sees him on Monday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRrKi99mno (1 of 8 parts)

[MysticTree]

don't hand over any money too rashly. Don't sign anything without reading it properly ... I know you'll just think I'm being down on something you believe in but so far countless end of the world gurus have walked/are walking the earth and the world hasn't ended.

Be careful :heart

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

don't hand over any money too rashly. Don't sign anything without reading it properly ... I know you'll just think I'm being down on something you believe in but so far countless end of the world gurus have walked/are walking the earth and the world hasn't ended.

Be careful :heart

l've never been into guru's and i've never had time for any fools that think the end of the world is coming either, it's never been my style.

My friend is a sproutarian and so am l, and l do trust our instincts this time around. We don't know this other fellow well enough yet, but he better behave himself. My sproutarian friend gives gives and gives some more, he spends all his spare money on other people. He lives to serve other people completely.

lf guru's start asking for money l will terminate any relationship very quickly. l don't believe in paying for safety or information these days. Nothing is being signed either. Too many scumbag guru's have done that in the past and nothing like that is happening to me....l will be the bloke in full control.

l've never been into end of the world prophecies, but l feel this may be it. Only recently l have come to the decision and l trust myself because l am a raw dude now. l hope l am wrong and bad stuff doesn't happen, but l feel the alien stuff might well be true and l will be prepared. l was meant to become raw, prepare myself (i've known for years) and meet these fellows. l feel it's time and the earth needs cleansing of the rot.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

No nice paradise for me and the boys. lnstead we live in the middle of no-where in the middle of the desert. This is where we have to live, l kid you not:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Outback-1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Outbackdesert.jpg

Survival will be really tough. l am not smiling.

[Namaste Mama]

About water storage_I use the big blue barrels and they are in my garage out of the sun. i would never store plastic in the sun. I think you will run into problems keeping the water fresh in wood. I know plastic is not great for storage. Eventually we want to build a water cistern for rain when we move.