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katrina
10-18-2005, 12:58 PM
Does anyone every just find their body CRAVING saturated fat?

I have eaten avocadoes, nuts, seeds, and olive oil till I've popped. But absolutley nothing has satisfied my craving but cheese.

I am not addicted to cheese. I have been raw since March and have been loving it. But this past two weeks, I've about eaten myself into the ground trying to find the thing my body was needing. How could it have been cheese????? I feel like a traitor!

Sharon in Colorado
10-18-2005, 01:08 PM
It may not have been the cheese, it just may have satisfied some kind of craving, but not supplied a nutrient.

I think we have to be doing this a very long time, maybe at least a year, to get all the toxins and psychological feelings we have toward food at bay. I mean, it still might be there, but we'll be way more in touch with our bodies at that point. And I don't mean going back and forth for a year. I mean staying raw for that long.

katrina
10-18-2005, 01:09 PM
The craving seems to be for fat. But the aforementioned fats don't seem to do the trick. :(

Carlene
10-18-2005, 02:47 PM
Cheese has been the hardest for me too. I found the more I watch TV the more I crave cheese. Lukily when I think of it I can see the gooey grease and think, wow, I really don't want to put that back in my body.

When I think of being raw for the rest of my life it is that greasy fat, pizza, KFC that I think: can I go without that for the rest of my life. And I guess the answer comes down to how long I want the rest of my life to be. And what type of quality do I want it to be comprised of.

Some people have sugar addictions, some fat. I'm the latter. I don't think it is a physical need as much as a psyhologocial one. For me at least.

Douglas
10-18-2005, 03:10 PM
I think you just wanted some cheese or you missed it alot and thought your body was craving it. Just like a smoker Craves a smoke. It is the one thing that is the hardest to quit. Meat was easy to give up but not cheese. Now if you could just see what happends after you eat cheese. I have a friend that works in a hospitol and showed me in the lab the blood test of people eating cheese. After one hour the fat from the cheese floats on top of the blood. The same happends for any fats you eat too. It is a real Eye opener for sure This is what causes hart attacks and Strokes. And I tell you that is not the way I want to go out. So Think about it. Is it really worth having that cheese and adding the fat that could kill you? bye for now Doug in Calif... :D

katrina
10-18-2005, 03:18 PM
After one hour the fat from the cheese floats on top of the blood. The same happends for any fats you eat too. It is a real Eye opener for sure This is what causes hart attacks and Strokes.
So does this mean if I eat nuts, the fat from the nuts floats in my blood like it does with cheese?

MAK
10-18-2005, 03:36 PM
Katrina,
Foods are the powerful narcotics and food addiction is a powerful habit to overcome. It is more mental than anything else. However, if your mental craving “calls” for saturated fat, it coconut oil. Yes, eat; as long as it is below 76 F, it becomes solid with very pleasant taste. You can spread on the raw crackers. I have to admit, that I use coconut oil and always think about these article how harmful saturated fats are. Actually it is an other way around. Many articles claim that coconut oil is one of healthiest food. After all I have been brainwashed for so many years. Now back to cravings ,-)). It takes time and persistence to overcome craving-addictions. For many months I was craving for roasted peanuts. Only 3 month ago I could finally overcome this craving. It takes 3 to 5 years to completely change your lifestyle, your body and mental approach about food and health in general. It is a long road, but results are phenomenal.

rawpriestess
10-18-2005, 03:38 PM
Trust me, It was NOT the cheese, that you needed.

NO HUMAN EVER NEEDS THE MOLDY LACTATE OF ANOTHER SPECIES. This is NOT even possible.

However, you probably were having massive cravings for cheese, and that was what your body was ridding, and why you were wanting it.

but, you did not need any nutrients in any cheese.

Douglas
10-18-2005, 03:48 PM
Cheese has colesteral and nuts do not same with avacodo cheese is Saturated fat and that is what you will find floating on the top. Mother nature thought of everything we need in our food. The fat in the nuts will not hurt you as it is natural and unsaturated and has no colesteral. Now Prossessed food is what causes all of us problems. The problem started in 1955 when the Meat and Dairy Concil got togeather and made all the posters in all the classroom across american The Four food Groups!!! We were tought the wrong way to eat all our lives, and it is hard to break habbits like that. We grew up eating all the bad things and now it is getting worse then ever. fast food places on every corner. People don't even get out of there Car anymore they just go threw the fast lane in there car and get it at the pickup window. People can call up and have there pizza delivered right to there house. Just look at people now. There are not alot of slim people anymore they are all getting fat, even the kids. It is time for people to find out that eating raw can change this problem before it is to late. It is not easy either People just don't want to give up there fast foods or meat and cheese. They like the way it tastes and they will call you a nut if you try to tell them anything. Remember 20, 30, 40 years ago. It was pretty rare to see a fat person. Anyway bye for now Douglas in Calif......

katrina
10-18-2005, 03:48 PM
Let me clarify. I wasn't actually craving cheese per se`. I was craving saturated fat. At the time, the only way I could figure getting enough to satisfy my craving was to eat cheese. I think I would barf if I ate meat. No, I know I would. And after I ate the saturated fat, I physically felt better. There was no real psychological connection that I am cognizant of. If I had known about the coconut oil, I could have been spared from eating the cheese. :o

In the past two weeks, I have consumed the following healthy fats trying to tame the beast. But nothing was working. And yes, I ate it all and never even gained a pound. A bottle of olive oil, 1.5 pounds raw cashews, 1.5 pounds raw spanish peanuts, 1 pound raw walnuts, 6 avocadoes, .5 pound flax seeds, 4 oz raw sunflower seeds, and a handful of macadamia nuts. Whew! :p

So, thank you for telling me about the coconut oil! I have some in my cupboard! YEAH!!! ;) If the urge strikes again, I'll be prepared.

ReneeSC
10-18-2005, 04:03 PM
Katrina, my GOODNESS.... you are fat assimilation QUEEN!

How'd you DO that? LOL

I've been high in fats ever since I started, too, well..not everyday, but especially my first month. I would eat fist-fulls of nuts ( unsoaked - because I couldn't wait! ).. and lots of avocados with oils...allllllllllllllllllll day long.

That phase subsided, thankfully, but I find, for myself, that I'll crave SAD fats when overly-exposed to visual/smell stimulation ( like most people ) - and to quell that is greens for me. Kale and spinach with nuts, an oil dressing, onions....etc.. or a tropical superfood smoothie

Its also been about my learning to rethink - I've had to work on renewing my mind. Now that the initial shock is over, I can begin working more indepth with my mind - making new food memories, making new friends, making new choices surrounding my health and welfare.
I've not always made the right choices - but the right choices are being made much more frequently now as I work through them one by one.

I've gotten up and either taken a brisk walk, drank my lemon water, done some pilates and stretched, or went into the kitchen and just started picking so any true hunger was satiated, and then I could work on the basis for the craving.

I really don't think, contrary to some peoples' opinions, many of whom I respect, that all cravings are nutritionally based. I think some are mind based, habit based, temptations, all of which are opportunities to learn to relearn how to be humans without being mechanical eating machines. ( I don't think you're an eating machine, btw)

MAK
10-18-2005, 04:10 PM
Wow Katrina,
Your kidneys and liver are working overtime ,-)))).
30 gram of fat (maximum) that is all human need.

katrina
10-18-2005, 04:10 PM
:DI'm glad you don't think I'm an eating machine but I've wondered about myself these past two weeks. I'm seriously thinking this has something physically to do with that time of month. Seems like when I think about it, that is when I find myself loading up on fats. Otherwise, my daily routine is half an avo, two T flax seeds and about two T of olive oil on my lunch salad. Believe it or not. That's usually it for daily fat. Hopefully, this will cool off in a couple days. But I'm sure glad to know about the coconut oil. Wish I'd known about it yesterday.

kmik
10-18-2005, 04:28 PM
I just wanted to second the coconut oil... although Katrina, you are already convinced, but for anyone else who may not be.

Although I'm not as far in my raw journey as you... prior to this I only had two food groups, cheese and chocolate. I've put a heaping spoon of virgin coconut oil in my morning smoothie most every day since I've started raw, and with one exception (I think I let myself get too hungry that day) I can stand in the same room as cheese, look at it, touch it, even smell it, with little problem.

Oh, and I happen to think coconut oil is rather tasty (as long as it's virgin, not refined) if it's liquid or solid. Yes, I have eaten it right off the spoon (I'll do that sometimes to trick my body, when I'm hungry and don't have time to grab something for a bit), and my 5 year old asks for a spoonful whenever she sees it out. (If you can't do this, either you don't like coconuts, or you have an inferior product).

ReneeSC
10-18-2005, 04:35 PM
ahhhh... I failed to mention.. HORMONAL swings.. My apologies..
( male and female - and unless you're a female whose going through a hormonal swing, you couldn't understand no matter what book told you what.... it's one of those things you really wish NOT to have to endure. lol I haven't the slightest clue about male hormonal swings, although I know they have them )

In the instance of a hormonal inbalance/swing/temporary swish stuff....... yeah, you could be on to something there, Katrina.

I have to take a phyto-estrogen/herbal thing ( Nature's Sonshine's Super GLA ) because of a hormonal imbalance, and it REALLY helps _me_ behave hormonally. If you're still very young, and not in peri-menopause or environmental peri-menopause, then I think you could be looking at some mineral deficiencies.

Fifteen years ago, I was listening to a female doctor discuss her treatments for female hormonal swing sufferers, and she found that their blood tests came up deficient in several minerals - severely so - at the time of the onset of the "swing."
http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/vitamins/DangerousMineraDeficiencies!.htm

Magnesium, calcium, sulfer, etc... are great for working to stabilize our endocrine system! I know.. it really has done wonders for me.

Deep, dark leafy greens ( or a superfood replacement if you can't eat the greens ) do have some of those minerals, coconut oil is high in fats that satiate, too. The loads of these might be prohibitive in some ways.. I don't know, but I take supliments of them instead because I was SO messed up, that food wasn't helping since it wasn't being digested enough.
*Now, its starting to be! YAY!

katrina
10-19-2005, 07:23 AM
Thanks a lot for this info Renee. I am 36 and have been experiencing a little shall we say "mood swings". :eek: I have been taking chaste tree extract and that has helped greatly! But I have been noticing that I can't get enough greens either. I eat tons of spinach and mixed field greens all the time. Carrots, tomatoes, onions, avos, flax and raisins are daily staples too. Along with the nuts and olive oil. I starting wondering if there is something wrong with me a couple weeks ago, when I realized I just can't get enough spinach. Maybe I should just try a good multivitamin. But I will check out the supplement you mentioned above. We have a good natural foods market here in NE Tennessee. So, I'm sure I can find something that will help me. I sure don't want to continue scarfing down so much fat on a regular basis. :)

ReneeSC
10-19-2005, 12:06 PM
Yeah, you will, Katrina!

I pray you'll find what your body needs - its certainly screaming for something, isn't it? LOL I still have NO idea how you consumed so much fat, but you're here to tell about it, and that's good!

When I started on the Super GLA, I didn't really "believe" it was going to do what it said it was, because I also had severe polycystic breast disease ( so bad I had to have an emergency mamo to diagnose ), but, honestly..... it chilled out my hormonal system almost immediately. I was also going into a-mensus, I'm not a-mensus any longer. :)

Ingredients: gamma-linolenic acid, evening primrose oil, black currant oil and borage oil.

**Glandular, cirulatory, and nervous system support. Nature's Sunshine Super GLA contains the three richest sources of Gamma Linolenic Acid ( GLA ) available. GLA is a precursor to prostaglandins in the body and thus has an important biolgical function. Women in particular may find taking Super GLA beneficial at certain times of the month to support mild mood changes, breast tenderness, cramps, swelling associated with menstrual cycle.*

I tried a topical phyto-estrogen cream made from the wild yam, but I wasn't diligent enough to regulate it properly, and I just kept taking too much. It might work well for you, though.