The best water recipe ever (this is not a joke)

[raweater]

This is perhaps the first recipe for water ever posted but very often the first sip people take of this water they instantly exclaim things like "wow this water is impeccable what is it?".

Recipe for Water

20 liters of reverse osmosis water (pure, not re-mineralized, ideally at 0-2 ppm)
1 tablespoon of brine made from Himalayan salt rocks (place a few large Himalayan salt rocks in a 1-2 cup glass jar and fill with water and allow to stand about 24 hours, the rocks should never completely dissolve, if they do, add more and wait another 24 hours)

Mix water and Himalayan salt brine together, chill and serve.

The reason I made the recipe for 20 liters is because that's the size of water cooler bottles and I make the recipe directly in my bottle each time I refill it at home with my filter.

Notes: A 6 stage reverse osmosis filter costs about $125 on eBay (and are much superior to the cheap 4 stage ones that some door to door salesmen manage to sell for $3000-6000 to highly gullible people [not for buying a filter, but for paying 50 times what it's worth]).

Also, if you don't have salt rocks, any size grind of Himalayan salt can do but make sure you put enough that it never dissolves even after 24 hours, the water must be saturated. If you use a fine grind, make sure you are not taking in undissolved salt along with the brine for the recipe as that will get the salt quantity way higher than it should be.

[sport]

You are suggesting that people should drink salt water.
We do not need added salt. I have not had added salt for years and I recently had a blood test and my sodium levels are in the normal range.
The purpose of water is to hydrate.
Salt dehydrates you.

[raweater]

I think you severely misread the recipe, did you just look at a few words from my post and try to guess what it said? Please read it entirely to understand as I don't think you read it.

[sport]

I see that you are only adding a tablespoon of the brine buy why add any. I do not realise the purpose of doing this. Why do you need salt added to your water.

[raweater]

Pure water is not natural and tends to go straight through the body without hydrating it. You need minerals in the water for the body to be able to use it, plus pure reverse osmosis water is acidic due to the lack of alkalizing minerals and doesn't taste natural. Adding the minerals is the secret to the incredible taste. (it's about like 1/2 teaspoon of salt in 20 liters, a very similar concentration to most spring waters).

You also get the benefits of Himalayan salt which has many essential trace minerals.

[Mary Kay]

Thanks for sharing Raweater.

Mary Kay

[MysticTree]

I'm not even up to speed with reverse osmosis! It's all a bit much for me.

[GreginND]

Pure water is not natural and tends to go straight through the body without hydrating it. You need minerals in the water for the body to be able to use it, plus pure reverse osmosis water is acidic due to the lack of alkalizing minerals and doesn't taste natural.

I call HOOEY on this one. What do you mean the water goes straight through? This is just something someone made up. The minerals don't make the body absorb water.


Adding the minerals is the secret to the incredible taste. (it's about like 1/2 teaspoon of salt in 20 liters, a very similar concentration to most spring waters).

You also get the benefits of Himalayan salt which has many essential trace minerals.

That I'll give you. Minerals and dissolved salts DO alter the taste of water, usually for the better.

[raweater]

It's all well proven, and it's incredibly silly to dismiss it just like that without doing any research.

It's all based on the same principle as the reverse osmosis filter:
-Pure water in your body will want to equalize with your blood, so it will suck out of minerals of your blood so the flow of liquids is reversed
-Mineralized water in your body will want to transmit its minerals to your blood and therefor the flow of water is going into your body instead of out of it

It's the mineral concentration on one side of your stomach/intestines VS the other side that determines in which way the water will flow, that's what osmosis is. It works exactly the same in the reverse osmosis filter, except the high pressure of the city water forces the process in reverse, therefor removing minerals rather than adding them.

BTW that's why sports drinks like Gatorade are very heavily mineralized, that's what allows your body to absorb so much of the water and hydrate you far better and faster.

[raweater]

GreginND, I just realized, is the ND in your name for Naturopathic Doctor? If so I'm surprised you didn't already know this.

BTW you do realize when I say pure water I mean literally 100% pure pharmaceutical grade water that is pure to more than 0.000001%. I'm not talking about spring water which is naturally mineralized to about the same level I remineralize my pure water, I'm talking about completely unnatural, 100% pure water, which is impossible to find in nature.

Here's a quick article I found explaining the health dangers of distilled (pure) water, which is about the same as reverse osmosis filtered water:

http://glowing-health.com/water-and-hydration/distilled-water-dangers.html

[MysticTree]

minerals don't move in osmosis.

the water will move into areas where the "salts" concentration is higher. The minerals don't move into the water.

Think how the bowel works or the kidneys for that matter.

[MysticTree]

Here's a quick article I found explaining the health dangers of distilled (pure) water, which is about the same as reverse osmosis filtered water:

http://glowing-health.com/water-and-hydration/distilled-water-dangers.html

actually that link says that reverse osmosis water is ok but you need to make sure you get the missing minerals ... it doesn't say that they must be added to the water.

[raweater]

Anyway I know I don't like pure water, my body doesn't like it, but with the recipe above I crave it and it tastes great. As I said most people that taste it for the first time are in shock within half a second of tasting it at how good it is.

[T-Bird]

Thanks raweater, I'll try it sometime!

I really like water with a slice of cucumber in it......any idea on why so little of that could make the water so yummy?

[MysticTree]

Anyway I know I don't like pure water, my body doesn't like it, but with the recipe above I crave it and it tastes great. As I said most people that taste it for the first time are in shock within half a second of tasting it at how good it is.

I believe you when you say it tastes good. Salt is a flavour enhancer I just hadn't ever thought of adding it to water ... but I don't have a reverse osmosis "thingy" and most of my water comes from the tap - in a hard water area.

[monkapotapus]

GreginND, I just realized, is the ND in your name for Naturopathic Doctor? If so I'm surprised you didn't already know this.

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I believe the "ND" stands for North Dakota.....see his location....

[raweater]

I believe you when you say it tastes good. Salt is a flavour enhancer I just hadn't ever thought of adding it to water ... but I don't have a reverse osmosis "thingy" and most of my water comes from the tap - in a hard water area.

Tap water is proven to increase cancer risk by 93% and causes heart disease, both of these results are due to chlorine poisoning.

It's best to find a source of healthy water ASAP, and the cheapest solution is a reverse osmosis filter from ebay, they cost around $125 upfront but end up costing a fraction of the price in replacement filters compared to a cheap brita filter that barely cleans the water at all.

[GreginND]

It's all well proven, and it's incredibly silly to dismiss it just like that without doing any research.

It is most definitely not "well proven." Can you please provide me with a peer-reviewed study that supports your claim that "Pure water is not natural and tends to go straight through the body without hydrating it."

Are you saying that if you drink "pure" water it just goes through your system and runs out of your colon?




It's all based on the same principle as the reverse osmosis filter:
-Pure water in your body will want to equalize with your blood, so it will suck out of minerals of your blood so the flow of liquids is reversed
-Mineralized water in your body will want to transmit its minerals to your blood and therefor the flow of water is going into your body instead of out of it

Pure water does not pull minerals from your GI tract cells. It is absorbed into your system just like any other water. It will not reduce the amount of minerals already in your body. You get plenty of minerals from the food you eat.



BTW that's why sports drinks like Gatorade are very heavily mineralized, that's what allows your body to absorb so much of the water and hydrate you far better and faster.

The salt in sports drinks are not added to help your body absorb water. The salts have nothing to do with the absorption of H2O. The salts are added to replace the salts you lose when you sweat.



GreginND, I just realized, is the ND in your name for Naturopathic Doctor? If so I'm surprised you didn't already know this.


ND = North Dakota. If naturopathic doctors are trained to believe things without evidence then I don't think I would want to be one.



BTW you do realize when I say pure water I mean literally 100% pure pharmaceutical grade water that is pure to more than 0.000001%. I'm not talking about spring water which is naturally mineralized to about the same level I remineralize my pure water, I'm talking about completely unnatural, 100% pure water, which is impossible to find in nature.


RO water, deionized water, distilled water sold for consumption is definitely not pure to 0.0000001%. Even if it was, it would not stay so long after you open it. It will leach minerals from any container you pour it into.

Why do you claim that "pure" water is unnatural and "impossible" to find in nature? Have you ever heard of rain? Rain is basically distilled water. Sure, modern pollutants in the atmosphere can taint it but pure water is most certainly natural and not impossible. The universe is a vast place to make such a claim.




http://glowing-health.com/water-and-hydration/distilled-water-dangers.html

This article does not cite a single published study to support this one person's claims.


Tap water is proven to increase cancer risk by 93% and causes heart disease, both of these results are due to chlorine poisoning.

It's best to find a source of healthy water ASAP, and the cheapest solution is a reverse osmosis filter from ebay, they cost around $125 upfront but end up costing a fraction of the price in replacement filters compared to a cheap brita filter that barely cleans the water at all.

You are making unfounded claims again. Please provide a single peer-reviewed published source that "proves" tap water increases cancer risk by 93% or causes heart disease. I can't find it.

You need to stop reading crap on the internet and accepting it as gospel truth. It is not correct to generalize and say all tap water causes cancer. That is patently false. And not all tap water contains detectable levels of chlorine. My city, for example, uses ozone rather than chlorine.

[raweater]

If you're too lazy to find the evidence yourself it's not my problem, I'm far too busy in life to spoonfeed you with all the details when you could find them yourself.

BTW how did you ever get into raw food being so closed minded? Or are you only here to attack us?

[GreginND]

If you're too lazy to find the evidence yourself it's not my problem, I'm far too busy in life to spoonfeed you with all the details when you could find them yourself.

BTW how did you ever get into raw food being so closed minded? Or are you only here to attack us?

But you are the one making the claims. I have searched for your evidence and can't find it. It is incumbent upon you to provide evidence for your claims.

Please don't misunderstand. I am not attacking you. I'm asking why you believe what you believe. Is there any reason for me to believe your claims without evidence?

I am not closed minded. I believe in facts and evidence. There are a number of good reasons to purify water and eat a healthy diet. There is no reason to make unfounded claims.

[raweater]

I am not making claims, medical doctors, the WHO, and other health agencies are, I'm simply posting what their studies found.

I also just noticed your first "welcome" post and now I understand why you're so closed minded even as you say you aren't. Your very own welcome post says you would not want to be 100% raw before even knowing anything about it, how silly is that?

You are closed minded, the proof is if you weren't, rather than dismiss my claims with no valid reason whatsoever, you would have bothered to look for yourself at the research because this is important to know to maintain good health.

[GreginND]

I've looked for the research. It isn't there. YOU made the claim that tap water causes cancer. You gave no sources for your information. Why should I believe you? Where are these studies you are talking about? I see vague references in various web sites but no citations to the data.

By the way, my welcome post was put up about two years ago. At that time I did not want to be 100% raw. Today I am 80% raw for very good reasons. Why in the world would I jump into anything without knowing information about it first?

[MysticTree]

I have no idea what is in my tap water - I drink very little of it in any case as I get almost all my fluid from water-rich fruits etc.

Show me the evidence that says that Wessex Water causes cancer please.

[T-Bird]

why is raweater being attacked? I think this is really unfair.......

Is anything here supported by "peer-reviewed literature?" I haven't seen it, and people cite victoria boutenkos laughable experiments as evidence that green smoothies are good for 3 days, and no one says boo.

He advised that putting a small amt of salt into distilled water was tasty and healthful......if you disagree, say so, and move on.

And if raw eater warns about tap water, if your interested, I think it is upon you to research your own municipality to see if the warning applies to you.

I can tell you in chicago there are traces of anti-psychotic and anti-anxiety meds.......so yes tap water is evil here. If you come from another country - well it might be a very different situation, but again, on you to research your own.

[MysticTree]

why is raweater being attacked? I think this is really unfair.......

Is anything here supported by "peer-reviewed literature?" I haven't seen it, and people cite victoria boutenkos laughable experiments as evidence that green smoothies are good for 3 days, and no one says boo.

He advised that putting a small amt of salt into distilled water was tasty and healthful......if you disagree, say so, and move on.

And if raw eater warns about tap water, if your interested, I think it is upon you to research your own municipality to see if the warning applies to you.

I can tell you in chicago there are traces of anti-psychotic and anti-anxiety meds.......so yes tap water is evil here. If you come from another country - well it might be a very different situation, but again, on you to research your own.

I think, to be fair though, a lot of what raweater said was not accurate ... even the link he posted to support some of what he said contradicted what he was saying. Now maybe it is fair enough to one's do one's own research but surely that goes for raweater too and if his research is specific to his locality then it is scare-mongering to make a lot of the statements he has made without qualifying that the statement applies to him in his location.

I don't doubt for a minute that the water with saline is delicious and if that was all he had said that would be fine. I'm not attacking anyone but if when someone makes a major health statement and the poster claims this backed by science but then refuses to offer the source of that science then it's not surprising that people would get a bit miffed.

Sorry that last sentence got a bit long!

[CathyA.]

WOW!. I bet your glad you started this thread. ;)

[raweater]

Here are articles I found quickly that reference to the WHO study proving ALL tap water increases cancer risk by 93%

I find it amazing that people actually need convincing of this, it shows how severely mentally damaged the human population is. All tap water contains chlorine, a chemical invented specifically to kill people during the war, and it's one of the most powerful cancer causing chemicals known to man, and you thinking drinking it daily won't increase your risk of cancer? Wow... just wow...

All I can say is if you really believe drinking water with high amounts of extremely carcinogenic chlorine in it every day won't increase your risk of cancer I feel sorry for you and discouraged at how senseless humanity has gotten.

To put things in perspective, I'm studying to be a firefighter and the risk of dying from cancer is 300% higher from drinking tap water compared to being a firelighter.

"Cancer risk among people drinking chlorinated water is 93% higher than among those whose water does not contain chlorine."
US COUNCIL OF ENVIROMENTAL QUALITY

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/cancer-risk-part-two.aspx

http://www.stopcancer.com/000/005.htm

You can read more but again if you need convincing that drinking chlorine causes cancer you have severe issues and I'm baffled at how you ever got into raw food.

[MysticTree]

the first link you post explains how chlorinated water in conjuction with smoking, low fibre diets and lack of exercise raises the incidence of bladder and rectal cancer.

It says that if you have a LOW fibre intake (raw fooders don't) AND you drink chlorinated water long term then significant rectal cancer increase is noted.

The other study mentioned is for bladder cancer again this is an in conjuction study, this time with smoking. The increased risk is for men more particularly than women, whose risk is raised only slightly regardless of smoking.

The "sick" group was 2000+ group of cancer suffers in the middles east. The healthy control group's location is not mentioned.

Please bear in mind that am trying to read this through a splash screen demanding my email address.

I will look at the second link in a minute.

Incidentally Chlorine wasn't invented. It is one of the elements so if anyone gets credit for invention, then it was God!

[MysticTree]

I have looked at the second link and it refers to some statement by The U.S. Council of Environmental Quality. I have been unable to locate this statement with google so I have no idea what it has actually said which makes it difficult to comment.

I can't afford to get a reverse osmosis thingy so I have to make do with the water in my foods and the water from my tap.

Incidentally does your bath and shower water get osmotically reversed too? The second link suggests that bathing and showering in tap water is worse than drinking it so i would be interested to know.

[GreginND]

I am encountering the same problem. There are lots of web sites making these statements but none have any information about the actual study. There are no references to the scientific literature for the Environmental Quality study. The Epidimeology paper cited in the first link does not separate out the other cancer risk factors from chlorinated water.

Raweater, I am baffled why you accept information as fact without evidence. And what does my skepticism about these claims have to do with my eating raw? There is no connection.

And, you are still making false statements out of ignorance. You stated that ALL tap water contains chlorine. That is not true. I already told you my city does not use chlorine during the water treatment process. They use ozone to disinfect the water. You need to stop making gross generalizations. This only serves to needlessly scare people.

It is interesting that now you are qualifying your statements. e.g.

"All I can say is if you really believe drinking water with high amounts of extremely carcinogenic chlorine in it every day won't increase your risk of cancer I feel sorry for you and discouraged at how senseless humanity has gotten."

What is the level of chlorine in tap water? Is it "high"? What is the threshold to be considered "high" concentration? This is an important issue. The studies referred to by all of the web sites claiming tap water causes cancer seem to be pretty old. Municipalities may have changed their disinfectant methods significantly over the last 20 years. I know my city has.

Also, you state that chlorine is "extremely carcinogenic". How do you make this conclusion? According to the Carcinogenic Potency Database chlorine shows no positive cancer effects in rat or mouse. And the studies you refer to make no claim that chlorine causes cancer. It is byproducts of organic material reacting with chlorine (e.g. chloroform) that are potential carcinogens. With changes in modern water treatment water is becoming safer.

FYI - chloramine is replacing chlorine in many municipalities. Chloramine is a combination of chlorine and ammonia. Since ammonia is a base, it neutralizes any acidic affects of the chlorine decomposition. It also results in a much much lower formation of chlorinated organics (the potential bad stuff).

Please don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with drinking water without chlorine. Personally I drink mostly reverse osmosis water myself. I just get frustrated when people post information as fact without understanding the science or knowing the sources. This is not helping to inform people of the issues properly.

[MysticTree]

According to my water company:-


"The level of chlorine in the water as it leaves the treatment works is typically between 0.5 and 1.0 parts per million (mg/l). However, the amount in the water when it reaches your home will be slightly less, depending on how far you house is from the treatment works and the temperature of the water. The level of chlorine is monitored very closely and our aim is to ensure a small amount remains in the water until it reaches the end of the distribution system. Chlorine levels may vary throughout the day and through the seasons"

Assuming my water comes from the closest treatment works, then I shall assume the figures stated above.

So as asked above what is considered the "safe" upper level? I have a high fibre diet, always have and I don't smoke.

[brydee]

It does taste great and makes me feel great, have no followed this exact recipe but I add pink salt when making electrolyte drinks, it is not at all like the taste of a mouthfull of sea water.

[sport]

Incidentally does your bath and shower water get osmotically reversed too? The second link suggests that bathing and showering in tap water is worse than drinking it so i would be interested to know.

I would not bath or shower in municipal tap water unless I really had to to and then I would be in and out so fast that I would barely get wet.
My supply is municipal but I have a whole house filter to remove the chlorine before it enters the house.
Then I have a reverse osmosis for my drinking water.
I consider clean water to be so important to my wellbeing that I would sacrifice anything to have it.
I would get my filter and sleep on the floor and save up for a bed if that was the choice that I had.

[brydee]

I went on a school trip to the water 'cleaning' factor as part of a water board trip when I was a child. It put me off tap water is all I can say, some of the things I saw and they told us, I was young through so maybe I got confused. The fact that I live in an area that has a large stream that could easily be the source of our hamlets(I highlight this as I dont live in a village meaning there are less than 10 families who would be using the water and not sustaining a large area) water but we are all on the mains and are not allowed to use it. Why wouldnt we be allowed to use it other than if something was going into it that shouldnt be. All my ancestors survived drinking from natural water source, none of them died from it, the surrounding wildlife drinks from it.
Iv not really made a point. Other than my anger at the modern world. How many places in the world would not even exist if it wasnt for building dams and mile long stretches of water pipe.
Something like water should be free in life and still is in many places, but usually in the form of 'cleansed' water. The fact that thousands of people have been moved from their homes and even killed trying to protect their water sources just proves that the people behind our drinking water are all about the money and if they will kill people for not moving off land they have lived on for thousands of years, why would anybody put it past them to poison us.
You only have to go and stay in different areas or drink natural water and then drink tap water, you get use to the anticeptic bleachy taste when you have drank it everyday for years. I realise that both chlorine and flouride do appear naturally in food but in very small amounts and like most things become toxic and have side effects when concentrated.
There is also alot of lies going around on conspiracy and health sites whos intention is to sell you products, I read something a while ago that said that wildlife that drank tap water instantly died or that ate seeds sprayed with pestisides. We all know that is aload of rubbish. But from eating wild or organic raw foods or drinking from natural water sources we all know the benefits. Just listen to your gut.
Sorry this is so long, but another thing I just want to say, maybe I am stupid but am I right in thinking that the same water we have today is the same water that was here that has always been here and that it cant 'dissapear' sure we can have droughts etc but it hasnt literally flown away from earth? it is just not in those areas. If Im right this is what I dont understand about saving tap water 'water is scarce' etc, its not about saving the water but about saving money and energy in processing chemically cleaned water?

[MysticTree]

Hi Sport,

I've now looked at the "chemistry" of my tap water - there's a huge pdf report and to be honest Chlorine is about the last thing on it that scares me.

That there is Chromium in it bothers me more!

[maggiesdaddy]

Hi Sport,

I've now looked at the "chemistry" of my tap water - there's a huge pdf report and to be honest Chlorine is about the last thing on it that scares me.

That there is Chromium in it bothers me more!

When I was growing up the were sometimes "higher than allowed" amounts of radioactive materials in our water. It wasn't much, but it was "higher than allowed". I personally think that any amount is to much!