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JustaHumanBeing

03-10-2011, 01:08 PM

So, during my years as a raw vegan, I never had much trouble "sticking to it". Never. I always felt great. The only problem was that my acne never totally went away, and I sometimes had dandruff.

I decided that this was I sign I should go even further and I switched to 80/10/10...dietarily (I was never able to maintain the amount of excercise needed). I joined the community recently to make it easier to follow now that I'm overseas.

While, on average, the acne is somewhat better, I have observed that sunlight and lack of stress are a much bigger determining factor for acne reduction for me, much bigger. I have totally cleared my face during time periods where I'm feeling on cloud nine, with no stress, and during the summer. In fact, I have put stress as one of the top things I have to battle. This recession has affected me more than the average american and not having a job in my field is a daily annoyance that I'm trying to beat - it's also a blessing, mind you, as there is always a positive to the negative, and I wouldn't change any of it for the world.

Eating very high fruit, though, I have had devastating hair loss. Actually, it's not so devastating because I am lucky enough to have a LOT of hair - so it's hardly noticeable so far...but seeing first hand how much hair comes out is hard. I also have more dandruff than ever before. When I ate more fats and had a "typical" raw diet, my hair was always beautiful - couldn't be healthier. Now it's thinning.

I have done so much to stop this. I eat about 3600 calories daily and was going to go even higher since people tell me that I'm not getting enough. But there is always something you are "doing wrong". Not getting enough exercise. Not getting my pound of greens daily. Not getting enough sunlight daily (I live in Normandy, France now so it's hard lol). There is always some imperfection with me. They make you feel guilty.

I got a blood test - I'm fine on B12 and the plethora of other things I was tested for...only a little low on vitamin D.

Something just tells me that the reason I am losing hair is more than whatever thing I am doing "wrong". Someone else on that site recently left the lifestyle, after a long time, citing thinner hair over the course of time as an effect. It was just hard for them to accept that it wasn't working. This diet was given me a great respect for TOTAL lifestyle - which I do really really value - it's just hard during the winter in a cold climate. Even then, 80/10/10ers have gotten on me for not "moving to where it's warm". I don't know what to do! Yes, I will live somewhere where it's warmer one day - I'm sure of it...but damn!

If any diet is the perfect diet, than it would seem that you wouldn't have to perfect it so precisely in order to reap the benefits. I don't agree with eating very very high fat, but as a regular raw foodist, I never did this. I was always fruit based.

I'm just tired of being made to feel guilty about everything - "you're doing it wrong" - eating isn't supposed to be a science. In fact, I feel like I lost my body's instincts. When I was raw and ate a greater variety of foods, not limiting myself to only fruits and greens, my body called for what it wanted and I obliged - I feel I have lost some of that since the switch. I also have a lot harder time sticking to raw - and since I buy so many fruits and vegetables I can no longer afford organic.

I know I don't do so well on really high fat, but I know of a weight loss doctor that uses a really old asian technique even involving pressure points on the body and breathing to get amazing results form his patients (things specifically for weight loss are not my type of thing, but for those into that it really does work)...he has them eat no oils, as well. A lot of them get severe hair loss, but adding just one tablespoon of flax seed oil along with 2.5g daily of spirulina is known to reverse it in 4 weeks. Maybe even a little oil would help me.

I want your opinions about what I'm describing - not really the hair loss so much but the guilt and the "you're not doing it right". Am I crazy?

I used to be a very frequent poster on goneraw.cm but left a couple of years back because I felt that I was thinking about food too much (and now it's kinda dead over there) - and I was thinking about it too much - any way of eating should become somewhat pedestrian at some point. Maybe now though, I'll come back now to a community that seems to enforce positively and really embrace eachother. I also need to be here to be able to look at some of the recipes you guys do - cuz I kind of forgot how to eat regular raw.

:)

Raw Angel Mom

03-10-2011, 01:35 PM

Wheat grass juice seem to help my skin.

You may want to try a vegetable juice with cucumber in it (kale, red pepper, tomato, celery, cucumber, carrot and kale.

I tend to have skin problem and to lose my hair.

How long were you on SAD before you went raw?

You need to go back to basic and stop worry just to be able to listen to your body.

Maybe you want to look into simplyraw.ca to do a detox. It is only 28 days.

Don't forget, you had many years of eating toxic food and beverage, you need to be patient with the process.

Our skin is an organ that our body use to eliminate toxin. If the toxin comes through your skin, maybe something wrong with your digestion, you may want to investigate in that direction. Get the book heal your life with Louis Hay and do the positive affirmation. Our emotions manifest in our physical body too.

Your liver could be clutter. Drinking lemon water every morning it will assist you.

Keep it simply and go with Alissa Phylosophy and relax. This diet 80/10/10 isn't for everyone. If you look at this man, quite frankly he doesn't look that young. He has a fantastic shape but even my own father that ate SAD food all his life had a fantastic shape even at 72 years old. Many young man couldn't keep up with him, because his past job required physical. He developped endurance over the time.

I think you need to stop worry about eating to much fat etc.... You need the vitamin E from the fat to have a nice skin too.

Make sure to included a lot of green.

When i got pregnant, i started using angstrom size mineral, my hair stopped falling. This proof to me that i was deficient with a certain mineral. You can get a mineral check to see what you are low and find out the food that contain it.

Relax when you eat and please don't eat out of guilt or deprive yourself out of guilt.

Hang in there, you will figure out what works for you

Revvell

03-10-2011, 01:40 PM

When I was raw and ate a greater variety of foods, not limiting myself to only fruits and greens, my body called for what it wanted and I obliged...

There's your answer.

mcster

03-10-2011, 01:48 PM

Yes, you are crazy. :) But only because you seem to be too worried about what other people think. Do your homework, take what makes sense to YOU, experiment, keep what you like and discard what you don't. What's so complicated?

For me, exercising (and sorry but my GF lives in Oslo and she exercises regularly) is very important to overall well being. So is cleansing and so is diet. I do eat a lot of fat because my research points that it's absolutely necessary for good health. Despite eating a couple of table spoons of coconut oil and 1-3 avos per day in addition to nuts, I'm at 12% body fat. Raw has made my skin clean and young looking and my hair thicker. I'm also reversing my gray hair. So, my experience is the complete opposite of yours but even though we're both raw, I bet we eat and live very differently. I have no interest in 8/1/1 or any other "regiment". I take interest in learning from a variety of sources and deciding what makes sense to me. Hope that helps.

JustaHumanBeing

03-10-2011, 01:52 PM

thanks a lot you guys

Raw Angel Mom, thanks for the info about mineral deficiency and hair loss. I will return to the way I used to eat as well as look into that. When I ate "regular raw" I never found a single hair of mine lying around, ever - let alone dozens. So I guess my first step will be to change the way I eat and observe a little bit, but I will be sure to took into having a mineral test as soon as I can find out how to have it done in this country I'm in right now :)

As for your question about how long I was SAD...almost 22 years. That was 3 years ago when I left SAD. Had no hair loss detox symptoms until I started 80/10/10. Some people report their hair line receeding before stopping (I assume it comes back lol, since they never said it stayed like that). Sometimes I question if this one is making me recede, but I conclude it's just the French barbers that don't ever line up the forehead hairline, despite me begging them to do so. anyway...

you are right revvel. gotta trust the body. though, when I craved seeds and nuts in excess I stopped trusting myself haha - doesn't make me feel good.

one thing I noticed, before 80/10/10, I couldn't stomach avocados. I couldn't eat one. Not blended as a dressing, not as guacamole - it's get nauseous and almost throw it up. Now, if I want to, I can down 7 avocados worth of guacamole (of course that's not in accordance with 80/10/10). Odd. Not sure what the significance is.

JustaHumanBeing

03-10-2011, 01:55 PM

green goddess

03-10-2011, 02:09 PM

one thing I noticed, before 80/10/10, I couldn't stomach avocados. I couldn't eat one. Not blended as a dressing, not as guacamole - it's get nauseous and almost throw it up. Now, if I want to, I can down 7 avocados worth of guacamole (of course that's not in accordance with 80/10/10). Odd. Not sure what the significance is.

This might be an indication of more fat needed by your body right now.

I think the body will always tell you what it needs; sometimes, though, it's hard to listen to it, or it's not speaking very loudly. Experiment with different foods, whether it be higher fat or more greens or more 'gourmet' raw foods.

Also, it sucks when you're feeling everyone's critical of your diet. Amass as much information as you can, second-hand like the wonderful info you find here, and first-hand from implementing what makes sense to you.

My mom was dabbling in raw for a while, for health reasons, but then veered in a totally different direction with non-raw, non-vegan high-fat, high-protein, with nary a fruit in sight. She and I are on completely different tangents now, the only similarity being the lack of processed foods in our diets. She feels I don't eat enough protein, fat, etc., and I worry about her comsumption of these very same macronutrients. We chat about our diets now and then, and she sees that I'm armed with information and am looking well, so she leaves me to my own preferences. Live and let live.

If you're confident in what you're doing, people will back off and leave you alone. :)

mcster

03-10-2011, 02:30 PM

Good for you!

Stress could definitely be affecting you. I would say it's the single biggest contributor to poor health and could be responsible for your hair and acne issues. But just the same, toxicity in your digestive system could be a contributing factor. I brought up cleansing because I agree with Raw Angel about your acne issue. So good for you for contemplating a fast. I would say that from my findings, doing a 3-4 week cleanse is the way to go to rid yourself of deep-rooted toxins. 2-3 day fasts are helpful too but I'm not sure it could take care of a years-long acne problem. You may want to look into the Master Cleanse. It's the one I do every six months. Good luck.

Stina

03-10-2011, 02:45 PM

I'm wondering if its rebuilding you need, not detoxing.

The 811 communities are not known for their tolerance.

kaleboy

03-10-2011, 04:27 PM

what is 80/10/10 ?

klomasius

03-10-2011, 05:01 PM

- eating isn't supposed to be a science. In fact, I feel like I lost my body's instincts. When I was raw and ate a greater variety of foods, not limiting myself to only fruits and greens, my body called for what it wanted and I obliged - I feel I have lost some of that since the switch.
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I feel this is the most important part of your post. For me, eating instinctively is very important. My body leads me to what it needs and I obligingly eat it. This takes time to build up, especially if you've eaten very SAD and have had a lot of food 'white noise'. It took me about a year of eating high raw to perfect this, I couldn't imagine not having the skill now. And I believe it's the main reason I do so well and have no cravings for cooked food at all.

My body naturally leads me toward a high fruit diet, but not necessarily a low fat one. I don't have a high fat diet (and there's a difference, some would have you belive there's low fat and then high fat and nothing in between!). For me I go naturally for days just on fruits and greens but then eat fats such as avocado, tahini, cold pressed oils and some seeds and nuts.

I don't have all the answers, especially for other people, but I do know that the crux of the matter is engaging in that essential body conversation rather than sticking to any dogma, no matter WHO says it.

You'll refind your balance, wherever that is. :)

klomasius

03-10-2011, 05:03 PM

Kaleboy, 80/10/10 is a raw vegan diet as espoused by Dr Dough Graham.

It essentially means 80% energy from carbs (mainly in the form of sweet fruits) 10% from fats and 10% from protein.

laughalways

03-11-2011, 04:20 PM

rawmom2006

03-11-2011, 04:35 PM

I am sorry you are so stressed. Stress does not help hair loss. Same with skin, stress makes it worse.

I have been raw vegan for 10 years and I am mostly fruit based. But I do what I feel is best for me.

I think you will feel less stressed if you follow what makes you feel better. If you have had your thyroid checked and all the other blood test and they all came out fine then stress might be the cause of your hair loss.

Have you tried using coconut oil on your hair and skin?

It is hard to be at peace when you worry about what others say about you.

Have you tried meditation?

Try getting a few green smoothies in your body, try exercising more. I know it is hard to get enough sunlight unless you live in a tropical place which not everyone can do.

Good luck with your health.

JustaHumanBeing

03-12-2011, 09:11 AM

I am also following 811 to some degree. I'm not there 100%. I quit going on some of the forums because of the attitudes I found. I still read the forum on Vegsource since I find that the most informative and the least judgmental.

I'm not sure I'll follow it 100% because I think you need to find what works for you. Eating a lot of fruit and greens makes sense to me but I still include other things in my diet to a small degree. I listen to what my body needs.

I struggle with not getting enough Omegas so I supplement that along with a few other things. I know the 811 tenet is that you don't need supplementation. Perhaps some lacking nutrient is causing your hair loss. Maybe you should analyze some of the differences in your current diet compared to before to see what might be the difference to cause the hair loss. I find using a little coconut oil massaged into my scalp the night before shampooing (or at least a half hour before) really helps my hair and my scalp.

Perhaps you should research other causes of hair loss to see if there is some other underlying condition causing it other than your diet.

Other than that, just take the die-hard 811er's with a grain of salt. I often find that people aren't as perfect as they represent themselves online and some of their criticism is often because they are not perfect on the system or diet. Otherwise, why would they be so judgmental? You should find your own truth and or realty and decide what works for you.

I am like you, I was always very high fruit before going 80/10/10. The only difference in my diet when going 80/10/10 is:
- more greens, for the most part (although as I admitted I have slacked sometimes in the past...recently it's still a lot more greens than during some long stretches pre 80/10/10 without hair problems)
- no oils whatsoever
- virtually no nuts and seeds, ever (got my fat from avocados)
- went from 2700-2800 calories to 3500+ calories

Looking at my log from before hair problems, I never had over 30 percent fat for a single day, for example...I was always big on fruit.

That's the thing, my diet didn't change that much in the big scheme of things. No oils, less fat, of course...but there was no supplementation I changed, nothing like that. I never ate seaweed. It just seems like too much of a coincidence that I get the hair loss when I go super super super high fruit, and where I eat the recommended calories. One can say "greens" but even when I slack on greens I get more than during a lot of long stretches previously.

I agree with you on listening to the body. I'm almost through 48 hours of fasting and I'm already prepping for what great recipes my body wants to break this fast :) (but light, of course, I'll break it with a gentle soup)

I am sorry you are so stressed. Stress does not help hair loss. Same with skin, stress makes it worse.

I have been raw vegan for 10 years and I am mostly fruit based. But I do what I feel is best for me.

I think you will feel less stressed if you follow what makes you feel better. If you have had your thyroid checked and all the other blood test and they all came out fine then stress might be the cause of your hair loss.

Have you tried using coconut oil on your hair and skin?

It is hard to be at peace when you worry about what others say about you.

Have you tried meditation?

Try getting a few green smoothies in your body, try exercising more. I know it is hard to get enough sunlight unless you live in a tropical place which not everyone can do.

Good luck with your health.

The thing, I have been far more stressed with no sort of hair problem. The hair problem actually started when I was at a peak point in my life in terms of happiness and being stress free. I was lounging around in New Jersey, eating fruit all day, in late summer where every day is beautiful, getting plenty of exercise, taking long baths, reading books, and preparing for an exciting move to Europe. There hasn't been a stress free time like this in a while! The only thing was that I had started 80/10/10.

Meanwhile, during a large portion of my time raw, with no hair problems at all, I was stressed, working over 40 hours a week and being an architectural student at night - VERY demanding. It was ridiculous. Then I lost my job and had to cope with unemployment while still trying to finish my school work. Then for many months I had serious problems with my girlfriend of 6 years (from age 17 till 23) and we eventually broke up, which was sooooo extremely hard. I got no exercise at all aside from walking, and I walked far less than I do now.

This is kind of why the only thing I know how to do is go back to how I ate before. It wasn't causing me problems - in fact, I switched mainly because I was still getting acne. But on a very recent vacation at the peak of this hair stress (last week), I realized that even when I fell off raw some days, when I was stress free and enjoying the sun, my skin constantly improved. Maybe stress was my big skin problem all along.

I don't use oil on my face and hair, but I never have, and there is a problem if I need an oil to stop my hair from falling a whole lot. I will employ coconut oil on my skin though as I heard it works wonders.

I actually haven't gotten a thyroid test - I'm trying to figure out what kind of doctor to go to here in France for that sort of thing. I say that because I went to one doctor already what gave me a test he said thyroid would come up in (the mineral, etc blood test) but in fact this doesn't appear to be true at all. I want someone in the know. As for my blood test, everything was fine :).

So there's a little bit more about my stress and food history, and why I'm so hesitant to call stress a culprit...there is something food related at work here and in the midst of stress and fear of losing too much hair, the best thing I can do for my mental and physical health is to eat how I ate before, which, I was very happy with, by the way. I am not the first person that got HUGE hair loss on a high fruit and almost no overt fat diet...though some people paint it as if it never happens.

I agree totally about not listening to other peoples' criticisms of my diet. In that spirit, listen to this.

If you guys want to know what I'm talking about, here is the response from a really big 80/10/10 person I will not name that, on another forum (not a high fruit forum), answered pretty much the same post that you all read:

"You look like you got anorexia in your photo bro. Anorexia will screw your hair up in most cases. Give it a few years of correct living and eating and training before you make any 811 conclusions IMHO.

You should have a thick head of hair ESPECIALLY at your age. Fair enough if your over 50."

He was talking about a photo that I took in 2006 back when I just went raw and did, admittedly, get kind of skinny....but like a lot of raw people I put the weight back on. So, ignore the fact that I said I eat 3600 calories - call me anorexic. I'm like the anti anorexic - I devour food and I've always been that way - never cared about my weight and when I have I have always wanted to gain weight. In high school on SAD I weighed 158 pounds at 5'4", and was extremely athletic, and loved it. Wow, though, lolll. People.

JustaHumanBeing

03-12-2011, 09:28 AM

Hi. I did an 100% fruitarian diet for about 4 months....while it was very enjoyable - I have to tell you I did not feel particularly great on it....you have to be able to get to food all the time, and have tons of fruit available or else you canget really hungry/low blood sugar like issues....I mean I could easily eat 2 pineapples, or 3 mangos, or 2 quarts of strawberries or more at a time...there are so many conflicting theories about how much fat to eat, no avocado, yes avocado, fasting, juicing, all the "gurus" have different theories...I guess everyone's experience is different. I developed a lot of health problems, my hair started to fall out and has not stopped, my thyroid medication, which I have been successfully on for years, suddenly doesn't work right anymore, I gained weight and can't function right anymore - I am going through doctor after doctor now as I have developed extreme fatigue that isn't abaiting....the hair has not stopped falling out - I don't know if the diet/thyroid/hair thing is blamable on the fruit - but it all happened at the same time...I know people say they have had amazing experiences...i didn't - they say you don't need protein from any sources other than fruit and a lot of other things...I don't know....all I know is I'm not enjoying vibrant health and I was doing everything 100% fruit!
Read more at http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=224674&ktrack=kcplink

here is a quote from a forum that I found online

sounds just like me

my instincts tell me it's the diet too, it's just weird to not know scientifically why it's happening - and I get the same idea from the person I just quoted, who seems to believe in fruit but isn't sure why it aint workin!

I will eat not according to science, though, and according to what my mind tells me to eat. One of the pillars of 80/10/10 is that the body doesn't naturally crave fats of any sort. But, you know, I could always go for some raw sunflower seeds, and I'd consider it cultish to convince myself that I don't like them because they are "bad" for me :)

thanks you all

dime

03-12-2011, 09:54 AM

This is the first time I hear about this 80/10/10, and it sounds like a very bad idea to me. This might work for someone who is reaaaally active, I mean all day long running here and there, and then getting rest only when sleeping at night.

An example would be elite pro sportists, say cyclists. They can eat up to 10000 calories per day, and this mostly comes from carbs. Think about stuff like Tour de France.

If you're not that active, a big percent of those 80% carbs is turned into fat by the body. Why bothering your body with this? Better put more fat into your diet, at least that's what I would do.

dime

03-12-2011, 10:01 AM

my instincts tell me it's the diet too, it's just weird to not know scientifically why it's happening - and I get the same idea from the person I just quoted, who seems to believe in fruit but isn't sure why it aint workin!

It aint workin because it's such a restricted diet! Frutarian.. The body needs different nutrients, it's all about balance. Just that it's raw doesn't mean you can eat in whatever way and expect everything to be perfect.

dime

03-12-2011, 10:09 AM

Check this for example

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aja.1001220211/abstract

I didn't read thoroughly, but what it basically says is: fat defficient diet causes bad skin and hair loss in rats. It's only one type of fat tested, but still, we get the idea.

Edit: one more study - http://jn.nutrition.org/content/49/3/397.short (conclusion is same: completely fat-free diet leads to dermatitis and loss of hair in rats, plus some other complications)

JustaHumanBeing

03-12-2011, 10:17 AM

thanks dime :)...for the link and the encouraging words...though, I do think there is some value in eating a lot of fruit, maybe i need some oils and overt fats...no need to beat myself up over it!

yeah completely fat free (edit: talking about the second article) would appear to me to be a bad idea...however, i was getting about 11 percent of my calories from fat long term (varied from stretch of days to another)...maybe a little more...and since i ate 3600 calories, that's a decent about of fat...could be 55g some days, sometimes more. I may very well be deficient, though.

oh yeah, one thing I totally forgot to mention, kind of a smoking gun...

when my parents visited me for christmas for 11 days, after about day 4 i fell of raw and low fat. Being a regular vegan can cause problems, like constipation, etc (not a problem when raw)...but, one thing improved, my hair wasn't falling out at all...i would swipe, wipe, rough it up over the sink, everything, hardly any hair came out.

i guess the lifestyle aint for everyone...i'm glad this forum has helped me mentally leave this cult without being angry at myself for it...and with a real trust in the way i'll soon be eating (again)

dime

03-12-2011, 10:22 AM

There's definitely value in fruit, but not to the point where you limit yourself of other essential nutrients. I hope everything comes out right in the end, post sometimes how it goes :)

JustaHumanBeing

03-12-2011, 10:23 AM

I most definitely will :)

Gonna be nice to go back to using herbs and spices more, too. Looking up good, simple soup recipes

JustaHumanBeing

03-16-2011, 10:25 AM

So I just wanted to update everyone with what I have done since we last spoke. In case any newcomer doesn't want to read the whole thread, I am dealing with bad hair loss and was on a very high fruit diet (where for a while I admit I wasn't eating nearly enough greens - but that continued even when I upped my greens intake).

I went on a 2.5 day water fast from Thursday night at 8pm until 8:00am sunday morning. I think it was more mental that anything - kind of me turning the page. Enjoyed it though. I really couldn't keep going with having low energy and sitting around a lot, though. I was too lazy to go to the store, etc, a lot of times. It was good though. I'll definitely do it again someday.

Afterwards, over the last four days, I still get most of my calories from fruit smoothies, but I make sure that I have spinach in every single one, a lot of it, whether I can find organic or not. I have been consuming at least a pound of spinach daily. So (1) spinach - I ate it a lot for the last month but now I make SURE I don't even miss a day of having a LOT - so I eat a lot more.

(2) 1 Tablespoon of flax seed oil daily
(3) 1 Tablespoon of Spirulina daily

*These are both a great hair loss remedy, supposedly, by a weight loss doctor using an old asian technique that my mom uses. His patients don't eat oils as they lose and use them limitedly afterwards. Just from weeks without oils, a lot of his patients shed hair - the 4 grams of flax seed oil and the 2.5 grams of spirulina are supposed to work wonders, so why not try it?*

(4) Sesame seeds - zinc! and they taste good. I get 4 Tablespoons (1/4) daily, in smoothies. I actually found for the first time a white zinc mark on my fingernail recently!

(5) Nori Sheets - I eat ten nori sheets daily for iodine that I may be lacking, as I have come to the conclusion that this could be a thyroid problem brought on by eating insufficiently for months. Each sheet has 16micrograms of nori and nori is low in salt, so it's great. I was going to invest in Modifilan as I saw it recommended in a very good thread on goneraw (http://goneraw.com/forum/hair-loss-1) but, my gosh, is it expensive. I'll see if my mom can help me out if I feel I need it. On a thread on this site, though, someone said they were told by a nutritionist that they'd have great hair on ten nori sheets daily (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=37606). I'm trying it. I actually meant to get dulse flakes but I couldn't find them in stores and I wanted them quick - when these run out I'll get dulse maybe.

(6) Brazil Nuts - just one per day gives you over 2 times the amount of selenium recommended...so I eat one per day.

(7) B12 pills - just covering all bases - even though my blood test in November said I was fine in B12, that was a while ago now and, you never know. I will gradually take this less and less.

So there we go. B12 supplement, a brazil nut, 1 T flax oil, 1 T spirulina, 10 nori sheets, sesame seeds, and making sure I get my greens.

I also eat a lot more soups now, consume less fruits and bananas almost automatically since the nature of my diet changed (eating like 2900 calories compared to 3600 before)...but still mainly fruit, calorically.

Slight uptick in acne but that happens when I cross the fat threshold to a lot of fat (whatever that means)...so I have decided to kill 2 birds with one stone more - use a Tbspn flax oil in a soup instead of using a Tbspn raw olive oil in the soup and taking the flax unnecessarily in a smoothie...the acne has already improved yesterday and today (days 3 and 4).

I feel better :). Here's to the hair growing back! I think I've covered all bases.

klomasius

03-16-2011, 03:50 PM

Hope it all goes well for you!

I too believe there's nothing wrong with high fruit consumption, I just feel for me that fats and oils play a part in my health too. We don't need much but for me, I go by what my body indicates. I know one of the central tenets to 811 is to not listen to what the body says, this for me is counter intuitive, and I have benefitted so much from listening to it.

p.s. I had a similar thing a while back (not nearly as dramatic) but the hair loss was still apparent to me. I didn't consciously do anything about it, but around the same time my body started wanting raw nori sheets (up to ten or more a day) and I tasted chlorella and couldn't get enough of it! I no longer shed hair in excessive amounts and am back to normal, and this just from listening to what my body wanted to eat.

RighteousYogini

03-16-2011, 09:12 PM

I do find a tendency for OCD to settle in with this foodstyle of eating... particularly, using the electricity to dehydrate a handful of grapes for one week to make raisins. What is missing is recognition of the negative impact of totally obsessing about everything that enters into your mouth....an unsoaked raw walnut won't kill you.... but this type of obsession leading to a high-stress and fear based attitude toward food, just might.

Take it easy... eat and see how your body responds.... find your own natural journey rather than sticking resolutely to any-one

freespirit

03-22-2011, 06:43 PM

for your skin- lemon juice is so your friend!!! put it in everything- water, smoothies, salad dressings. it cleanses the liver and makes your skin beautiful. I know this from personal experience. my skin was not amazing and I did a master cleanse and it is completely clear now. all the lemon juice

Amii

03-31-2011, 07:50 AM

I think a lot of people on low-fat raw aren't actually getting ten percent from fat, more like three percent since they tend to avoid overt fats altogether?

Stina

03-31-2011, 08:59 AM

There has got to be a reason why nature designed fats to be so delicious! I'm very selective and moderate in my use of fats, but my instinct is more important than some book.

sport

03-31-2011, 09:31 AM

I'm wondering if its rebuilding you need, not detoxing.

The 811 communities are not known for their tolerance.
Thankfully this does not apply to them all.

rawnhealthy

03-31-2011, 12:49 PM

Food for thought:
my colon hydrotherapist mentioned to me that hair loss and acne can be caused by parasites in the colon. obviously i have no idea what your cause is but thought I would mention this in case you want to research it along with whatever else your looking into. :heart

rawnhealthy

03-31-2011, 12:52 PM

And as for finding the diet that works for your particular body and its unique set of needs? If you are on a living food/raw diet, trust your instincts, eat what you are drawn to, allow your body to lead you to the foods you need to eat to get the nutrients you need and also to lead you to things you need to do or know to bring your health into balance:heart:

blueberrypurple

05-08-2012, 11:35 PM

I wanted to bump this thread up.

I am amazed no one mentioned detoxing. Eating fruit is the highest form of detoxing. Greens cleanse and build where fruit really goes after your lymph system and detoxes everything. If your kidneys are weak and is not filtering the lymph system fast enough, then it will detox out of your skin. The hair falling out is acid pushing out dead hair - detoxing. Again, since fruit is the detoxing food, your hair will fall out at first.

Look up Dr. Robert Morse Nd on youtube. He's an expert in detoxing for over 40 years of experience and hair loss is one of the effects.

Traceyraw

05-09-2012, 07:22 AM

Please don't tell me that. My hair is thin already. I have some herbs and his tea.

blueberrypurple

05-09-2012, 08:44 AM

Hi Tracey!

I have had very long, full, thick shiney hair. Have hair modeled here and there in the past and regardless of the health issues, it never effected my hair surprisingly; until I transitioned to a raw diet with mostly high fruit. It's still long and fuller than a lot of people's hair, but it's been falling out going on 8 months. It stops when I cheat here and there with cooked foods. I'm not happy with the way it is as I've lost so much of it. Dr Morse and his staff said I have too much lymph in my head area and acids are being pushed out - detoxing. Once my body has healed itself, the hair will grow back even healthier than it was. This may or may not happen to you as not everyone experiences the same detox symptoms.