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rawshell
03-03-2011, 01:52 PM
Is this a complete "no-no"? If nothing is added and they are organic, are they considered "raw"? How about frozen?

Sometimes fresh veggies are not available, don't look so great or are just so crazy expensive. I have a child entering college in the fall!! :)

I'm also in the Northeast and growing my own won't happen until this snow is gone!

green goddess
03-03-2011, 04:14 PM
Whether organic or not, the canning process involves high temperatures to kill bacteria and 'set' the can, so canned food is not raw.

Frozen would be the best alternative to fresh, other than dried, but I don't see too much dried vegetables out there! If there's no fresh produce available, organic frozen would be your best bet!

Aleesha Sattva
03-03-2011, 04:21 PM
frozen is heated though... so technically it's not raw either unless you've frozen it yourself :)

green goddess
03-03-2011, 08:44 PM
frozen is heated though... so technically it's not raw either unless you've frozen it yourself :)

Right, with the blanching process! I never really understood that. That's just for veggies, though, right? or with fruit too? Why do they do that, anyway?

Anyway, I tend to buy an abundance of what is in season and freeze it myself for the winter. Which explains my peaches and plums in my fruit puddings! Not optimal, with fresh being best, but sometimes in winter I like to deviate from oranges and apples! ;)

klomasius
03-03-2011, 09:40 PM
I doubt it's with fruits, especially sensitive ones like berrries (think raspberries and blueberries).

proteus
03-04-2011, 12:41 AM
frozen is heated though...

can you give some links about this ? as a user of frozen stuff i really want to know about this.

streetsurfer
03-04-2011, 12:46 AM
Right, with the blanching process! I never really understood that. That's just for veggies, though, right? or with fruit too? Why do they do that, anyway?.....
;)

I believe it is because it lessens the cellular wall damage from freezing and helps keep the food nearer to it's original form or consistency.

proteus
03-04-2011, 12:46 AM
Is this a complete "no-no"?

yes. its cooked.

as George Orwell said "We may find in the long run that tinned food is a deadlier weapon than the machine-gun"

all food processing destroys nutrition. eat FRESH food.

streetsurfer
03-04-2011, 01:30 AM
yes. its cooked.

as George Orwell said "We may find in the long run that tinned food is a deadlier weapon than the machine-gun"

all food processing destroys nutrition. eat FRESH food.

Interesting quote I'd never heard. Was he from the time frame that cans used lead solder to seal the lids? I just looked for his birth date. I know that it was once suspected that the lead solder on early canned foods killed people in John Franklins lost arctic expedition. Just wondered if the reason for the statement was because they may have still believed that into Orwells time, or soley because of the loss of nutrients. I guess it was later thought it was lead from the water storage on ship.

proteus
03-04-2011, 03:39 AM
Interesting quote I'd never heard. Was he from the time frame that cans used lead solder to seal the lids? I just looked for his birth date. I know that it was once suspected that the lead solder on early canned foods killed people in John Franklins lost arctic expedition. Just wondered if the reason for the statement was because they may have still believed that into Orwells time, or soley because of the loss of nutrients. I guess it was later thought it was lead from the water storage on ship.

look we're still living in this time. i just had my mercury tooth fillings removed a year ago. most dentists still insist that mercury is only a poison when it is in a thermometer, but perfectly healthy when it is in your body.

green goddess
03-04-2011, 02:19 PM
Fresh is best! Straight from the garden is ideal!

Next is from the farmer's market, then the grocery store, then bagged produce.

After that, frozen.

There aren't really any options after that, as canned stuff is heat-processed!

luckylibra
03-06-2011, 12:40 AM
WOW I didn't know they heated frozen veggies. I usually buy broccoli and corn on the cob frozen.