Getting enough calories?

[jazzygirl]

I just began juicing and never considered going raw until I found this forum. Do you get enough calories going raw?

[Reesh]

With the amount of nuts, seeds, avocados, olive oil, coconut oil, fruit I eat? YES! :D

I figure if I wasn't getting enough calories, my body would let me know.

[jazzygirl]

So give me an idea of what a typical meal would be for you throughout the day.

[I_am_there]

I am doing a green smoothie fast and definitely getting enough calories. I log what I throw in them into myfitnesspal.com and it adds up -- mostly because of the # of bananas. I had around 1200 on Sun and went under that yesterday, but I was dealing with a headache (caffeine withdrawal) and had a major nap.

The smoothie I made today has 577 calories in it. It's all fruit/greens with some honey, no nuts or whatnot. It will be a meal and a snack (fills 1.5 28oz mason jars).

If you'd like to see, my username on that site is I_am_there as well and I'm pretty sure my food diary is public.

[jazzygirl]

Thanx Bridget! I will definitely check it out.

[sport]

I use cronometer to keep a check on mine. I aim for 2000 calories per day (I am only a small person) and I get it most days just on fruit and greens.
There are people who are getting 4500 calories per day on just fruit.

[Reesh]

That amazes me. I find my appetite is falling and I'm usually getting around 1500 calories stuffing myself stupid! I don't want to increase my fat intake, but the thought of cramming more fruit inside me does not work.

I suppose I should take most people's advice and just listen to my body though :)

[green goddess]

I sometimes keep track of my food intake for fun (I think I like seeing the program's fibre RDA bar shoot past 300%!). I usually aim for around 2300 calories, but it's just an average, nothing I'm picky about. Some days, I move around less, and eat less. Some days more. The biggest filler? Bananas! And when I take my 1100-calorie sunflower seed/date/apple pudding to work with me.

It's not a number thing, but just eating so there's no hunger. I've been getting used to eating bigger meals (just had 1.1 kilos of oranges for a meal!) and getting a feel for how much food my body wants. But when in doubt... eat more bananas! lol :banana

[mcster]

I've been overweight and unhealthy in the past eating SAD vegetarian. Now that I eat raw, I'm putting on muscle at an unprecedented rate, I'm ripped (single digit fat %), I have infinite energy, I sleep less and deeper, my skin looks incredible, I'm clearheaded and always positive and all around I feel like Superman.

Here's how I do it: I eat simple (no over-prepared, foe crap). I eat functional (add superfoods after workouts, isolate carbs and proteins and eat them at the right times), I exercise about three hours per week (yep, that's all it takes with the right diet), I listen to my body and I feed it what it wants when it wants it. I NEVER WORRY ABOUT COUNTING CALORIES, STAYING AWAY FROM FAT (I eat lots and if you're not eating healthy fats, you're going to stay fat), OR WORRYING ABOUT WHAT I MAY BE MISSING.

It's really simple folks. Raw is about getting everything you need from fruit, vegetables, seeds, nuts and sprouted grains/legumes.

Ironically, I find that the people that worry the most about such things are the ones with weight/health issues...

And please nobody start with the "everybody is different" crap. We're all fundamentally the same and diet has far more impact and influence in health than genes. Do your homework and stop catering to your palate. Simple.

Rant over. :) :heart:

PS - My post is not entirely directed at the OP. :)

[Mikey_H]

Counting calories never crosses my mind.

I like to keep my math and food separate...I just eat!! :eat

[verbena]

your body will let you know if you're not eating enough calories.
I eat when i'm hungry until i'm satisfied, and don't worry about calories

[Basenjimamma]

I would not bother counting calories either..nor fat or protein. Listen to your body..feel what it wants..and consume it, of course I am talking as far as raw food goes..if you crave sugar eat fruits or make a raw dessert, if you crave fats eat avocado dips, nuts or coconuts...if you crave all of it then up your green intake as well....
Life should not be complicated, why make it? :heart

[sport]

I wish that I could believe that all of that was true but I know that if I just ate what I wanted I would eat nothing but fruit and I would quickly run in to mineral deficiency land.
I have to watch it and add some greens and celery.

[proteus]

i try to keep the calories in my smoothie as low as i can but it tends to come out to 500 calories anyway, out of about 1,400 calories that i am allowed to have for the entire day. so if all i had in a day was a smoothie for breakfast, a smoothie for lunch and a smoothie for dinner i would already be over the limit on calories. that's why i only have 1 smoothie per day - i would gladly have more if calories allowed.

[jazzygirl]

So ... is the calories of juicing one carrot the same amount of calories as eating a whole carrot?

[green goddess]

i try to keep the calories in my smoothie as low as i can but it tends to come out to 500 calories anyway, out of about 1,400 calories that i am allowed to have for the entire day. so if all i had in a day was a smoothie for breakfast, a smoothie for lunch and a smoothie for dinner i would already be over the limit on calories. that's why i only have 1 smoothie per day - i would gladly have more if calories allowed.

Why are you allowed only 1400 calories? And who allows you this? Do you find this to be sufficient for you? I'm curious!

[proteus]

Why are you allowed only 1400 calories? And who allows you this? Do you find this to be sufficient for you? I'm curious!

i allow this for myself. 2300 is my maintenance calories ( no change in weight @ 2300 / day )

whenever i fall off track i gain weight at 1 pound per day up to about 190 pounds then it begins to slow down and finally stops at around 240 pounds which is my natural weight so to speak.

at 1400 calories i am losing about 1.5 - 2 pounds per week so i need 3 - 4 weeks of dieting @ 1400 calories to make up for every week off-diet just to break even.

you might be thinking - why go off diet ? well i don't do it on purpose :) sometimes i just stop thinking about what i eat for days or weeks at a time.

when the weather gets better and i can start biking regularly i will be able to increase it to maybe 1700 calories.

i find it sufficient in the sense that i don't feel deficient, but i do feel slightly hungry most of the time.

[green goddess]

Proteus, when you eat 1400 calories a day, is this all raw food? I find 1400 is too low for me, and I'm a slim girl! But, of course, everyone is different. If you feel slightly hungry all the time, maybe simply adding a bit more raw food would be ok? Like a couple of apples or something? :eat

Far be it for me to make suggestions to your personal dietary choices, but I know I wouldn't like to be a little hungry all the time! Me gets cranky when I'm hungry! :mad: :D

[proteus]

Proteus, when you eat 1400 calories a day, is this all raw food? I find 1400 is too low for me, and I'm a slim girl! But, of course, everyone is different. If you feel slightly hungry all the time, maybe simply adding a bit more raw food would be ok? Like a couple of apples or something? :eat

Far be it for me to make suggestions to your personal dietary choices, but I know I wouldn't like to be a little hungry all the time! Me gets cranky when I'm hungry! :mad: :D

you being slim is precisely why you can / should eat more. me being naturally predisposed to obesity i must eat less.

it certainly affects my mood. i am certainly much more mellow when i eat a lot of SAD food and much more edgy when i eat a restricted amount of clean food.

but no i'm not 100% raw. i try to get as much living food in as possible but not at the expense of daily protein intake. i use non-raw food purely for protein supplementation - both in form or whole food and protein powders.

i know i *could* get all the protein i need from raw foods but its just that much cheaper and easier to get it from staple bodybuilding foods. besides, i don't like to get the minimum of what is necessary - with most nutrients i aim halfway between deficiency on the low side and toxicity on the high side, and protein is no exception.

my diet is a mix of raw diet, paleo diet and bodybuilder's diet.

[jazzygirl]

No one has answered my question yet :sadtears:

Is the calories of juicing one carrot the same amount of calories as eating a whole carrot?

Is that a silly question? :o

[Mary Kay]

I'm only guessing here, but my guess would be that the calories in carrot juice would be real close to the same amt of calories in whole carrots.

But without the fiber, the vitamins and minerals would be absorbed more quickly. So would the sugar, and potentially, the insulin spike if you had too much.

Perhaps someone else has a link to the actual calories....I don't. Maybe you could goodle it? And if you come up with something let us know!

Mary Kay

[mcster]

you being slim is precisely why you can / should eat more. me being naturally predisposed to obesity i must eat less.

it certainly affects my mood. i am certainly much more mellow when i eat a lot of SAD food and much more edgy when i eat a restricted amount of clean food.

but no i'm not 100% raw. i try to get as much living food in as possible but not at the expense of daily protein intake. i use non-raw food purely for protein supplementation - both in form or whole food and protein powders.

i know i *could* get all the protein i need from raw foods but its just that much cheaper and easier to get it from staple bodybuilding foods. besides, i don't like to get the minimum of what is necessary - with most nutrients i aim halfway between deficiency on the low side and toxicity on the high side, and protein is no exception.

my diet is a mix of raw diet, paleo diet and bodybuilder's diet.

It's my experience that nobody is predisposed to obesity. I was quite slim in high school but started getting "big boned" in my 20's. I've been as high as 198lbs for a 5'10" frame and could never seem to go below 185 no matter what I did. Just over a year ago I committed to putting myself in the shape of a 25 y/o athlete by 40. I read the Thrive Diet and a book on the Master Cleanse. I've done three cleanses, the last of which was after New Year's and then I went 99% raw. In the two month's I've been in this regiment, I'm down to 165lbs, I am putting on muscle at an alarming rate and I have an incredible amount of energy...never edgy. I've only been training one hour 2x/week for the past 4 weeks and I've put on as much muscle as I did in my 20's when I was using all kinds of bodybuilding supplements and working out 2 hours 5x week over a period of six months. I said 99% raw because I use VEGA Health Optimizer for protein which is mostly raw but...full disclosure. How/what do I eat? Morning: smoothie with superfoods...one scoop VEGA, hemp seeds, sprouted quinoa, soaked chia, sprouted fenugreek, bee pollen, black molasses, wheatgrass, cacao, Omega 3,6,9 oil, almonds and berries or a banana or both. Then I snack on fruit...mainly bananas, apples or oranges. I also treat myself to the tastiest dessert I've ever had...a banana chased with five dates and a spoon full of coconut oil. I'll have that 1-3x per day. Lunch: One or two avos usually in the food processor with half a red bell pepper, a tomato, 1/2 cup mix sprouted beans/legumes etc. in lettuce wraps. Continue to snack on fruit through the afternoon. Dinner: huge salad with beats, carrots, spinach, cilantro, celery, bell pepper, cucumber blah, blah, blah or something like a raw pasta. The only variation to this is that I have a banana, some dates and a spoon full of coconut oil before workouts and an extra scoop of VEGA with cacao during workouts. I never count calories, restrict fat intake, limit food intake etc. and I am getting ripped and getting stronger at lightening speed. My recovery is literally overnight. Don't buy into the "protein" myth or the fat "gene" myths. It took me years to get it right but I'm flying now.

[jazzygirl]

I did google it, I couldn't really get specifics. I'm just anal about counting calories. :wuv

[proteus]

It's my experience that nobody is predisposed to obesity. I was quite slim in high school but started getting "big boned" in my 20's. I've been as high as 198lbs for a 5'10" frame and could never seem to go below 185 no matter what I did. Just over a year ago I committed to putting myself in the shape of a 25 y/o athlete by 40. I read the Thrive Diet and a book on the Master Cleanse. I've done three cleanses, the last of which was after New Year's and then I went 99% raw. In the two month's I've been in this regiment, I'm down to 165lbs, I am putting on muscle at an alarming rate and I have an incredible amount of energy...never edgy. I've only been training one hour 2x/week for the past 4 weeks and I've put on as much muscle as I did in my 20's when I was using all kinds of bodybuilding supplements and working out 2 hours 5x week over a period of six months. I said 99% raw because I use VEGA Health Optimizer for protein which is mostly raw but...full disclosure. How/what do I eat? Morning: smoothie with superfoods...one scoop VEGA, hemp seeds, sprouted quinoa, soaked chia, sprouted fenugreek, bee pollen, black molasses, wheatgrass, cacao, Omega 3,6,9 oil, almonds and berries or a banana or both. Then I snack on fruit...mainly bananas, apples or oranges. I also treat myself to the tastiest dessert I've ever had...a banana chased with five dates and a spoon full of coconut oil. I'll have that 1-3x per day. Lunch: One or two avos usually in the food processor with half a red bell pepper, a tomato, 1/2 cup mix sprouted beans/legumes etc. in lettuce wraps. Continue to snack on fruit through the afternoon. Dinner: huge salad with beats, carrots, spinach, cilantro, celery, bell pepper, cucumber blah, blah, blah or something like a raw pasta. The only variation to this is that I have a banana, some dates and a spoon full of coconut oil before workouts and an extra scoop of VEGA with cacao during workouts. I never count calories, restrict fat intake, limit food intake etc. and I am getting ripped and getting stronger at lightening speed. My recovery is literally overnight. Don't buy into the "protein" myth or the fat "gene" myths. It took me years to get it right but I'm flying now.

what a joke. being slim in high school then getting "big boned" as you get older is only what happens to everybody - happened to every single one of my friends. you try being obese as a 9 year old child in soviet union where people including myself literally had nothing
to eat and where you had to stand in line for 2 hours to buy a loaf of bread in the only store that had it. i was the only fat kid in my entire school. but i guess if you tell me i'm not predisposed to obesity i should just believe you because YOU were slim in high school. what a joke.

i have been dieting and exercising since i was 12 years old. at age 12 i would walk for about 40 minutes to the gym ( public transportation was all but gone in those days ) then lift weights for 40 minutes and swim laps continuously for another 40 minutes. i would also bike and jog specifically to lose weight ... at age 12. between the age 9 and age 14 i went from the only fat kid in school to having the best shape in my school - i could bench press the most and do the most chinups. i did all this without any support from anybody - i never had any support from my parents. the only support i ever had was other kids beating me every day for being a fat ass.

ever since its a constant battle to hang on. in high school i was a captain of the swimming team. in college i could do chin ups with 100 pounds of weight attached to a weight belt with 52" chest and 34" waist. but i was ALWAYS not more than a few months away from turning into an obese turd, and on occasion did become one and then had to frantically try to recover from it. i have stretch marks all over my body. i have stretch marks on my stomach, on my ass, chest, shoulders, biceps - everywhere because whenever i slip i explode in weight.

oddly enough i never formally counted calories until last year. i have been trying to avoid calories since forever but it was only last year when i actually started calculating them accurately - and it has been the best thing i have ever done for myself by far.

i remember being 225 lbs @ 5'10", working out 20 hours a week and taking ephedrine and thyroid hormone ( illegally ) to try and lose weight and my friend at the gym was 125 pounds, eating all he could, trying to gain weight and not able to do it. but according to you there is no such thing as genetic predisposition. next thing you will say that there is no such thing as sex - men and women are the same, it's just a social construct. well - good luck giving birth.

when i'm on a diet my resting pulse is HALF of what it is when i am not - this is how hard my body fights for every last calorie - it will stop my heart from beating before it will allow a calorie to get burned by it. one time it came very close to doing just that - i passed out in part due to starvation while training in the pool and effectively drowned but was resuscitated. this was at age 16 or so. people speculated if i would stop swimming but i became a swimming team captain instead.

but now i am armed with a food scale and an excel spreadsheet and it works better than anything i have ever tried. i still can't forgive myself for not doing this sooner - somehow i never thought this to be a realistic option. i would be on a bodybuilding forum and these competitive bodybuilders would talk about how they have this many calories per day and then about what they eat and i wondered - how the he11 can they know how many calories are in the sushi they just had ? did they unrwrap the thing and weigh every ingredient on a gram scale separately ?

well that's what i am doing now. i weight every ingredient separately. when i make one smoothie i make about 10 different weight measurements and they all go into excel. and any foods like sushi which are impossible to calculate - i don't have them at all. i simply don't put anything into my mouth unless i can calculate the number of calories in it. yes it is a lot of work but it wins hands down compared to every other method i have tried because it works without killing me.

[proteus]

No one has answered my question yet :sadtears:

Is the calories of juicing one carrot the same amount of calories as eating a whole carrot?

Is that a silly question? :o

www.nutritiondata.com

look up carrots

then look up carrot juice

then watch these guys juice carrots and write down their weight measurements for resulting carrot juice versus weight of carrots juiced ( it will differ by juicer model ).

http://www.youtube.com/user/euJUICERScom#g/u

then do the math

i personally could care less what % of calories in a carrot makes it into juice because in my formula i use the data for carrot juice directly ( i weigh the juice itself, not carrots going in ) and i don't eat carrots whole. that said i would estimate that it would be something like 50% to 90% of calories making it from carrot into juice depending on juicer model. and these numbers would be different for apples etc. for every kind of produce and every kind of juicer the numbers would be different. you can calculate this for your own juicer by measuring your juice yield for various types of produce if you are really as anal as you say you are.

for the produce for which i don't have data on calories in the juice i estimate that 100 grams of juice contains the same calories as 100 grams of produce, which you can verify is a good assumption if you look at items for which both juice and whole food data are available - such as apples and carrots. apples are 50 calories / 100 gram in either whole or juice form and carrots are 40 calories / 100 gram in either whole or juice form. this isn't the same as saying that all calories make it to the juice however because if you juice 1000 grams of carrots you will only maybe get 700 grams of juice.

[snoops]

No one has answered my question yet :sadtears:

Is the calories of juicing one carrot the same amount of calories as eating a whole carrot?

Is that a silly question? :o

I believe that if you are worried about the difference in the number of calories in a carrot or in carrot juice, you have an eating disorder, like many other people here who are obsessed with losing weight and calories.

Eat raw non processed food, as much as you want and LIVE.:heart

[mcster]

what a joke. being slim in high school then getting "big boned" as you get older is only what happens to everybody - happened to every single one of my friends. you try being obese as a 9 year old child in soviet union where people including myself literally had nothing
to eat and where you had to stand in line for 2 hours to buy a loaf of bread in the only store that had it. i was the only fat kid in my entire school. but i guess if you tell me i'm not predisposed to obesity i should just believe you because YOU were slim in high school. what a joke.

i have been dieting and exercising since i was 12 years old. at age 12 i would walk for about 40 minutes to the gym ( public transportation was all but gone in those days ) then lift weights for 40 minutes and swim laps continuously for another 40 minutes. i would also bike and jog specifically to lose weight ... at age 12. between the age 9 and age 14 i went from the only fat kid in school to having the best shape in my school - i could bench press the most and do the most chinups. i did all this without any support from anybody - i never had any support from my parents. the only support i ever had was other kids beating me every day for being a fat ass.

ever since its a constant battle to hang on. in high school i was a captain of the swimming team. in college i could do chin ups with 100 pounds of weight attached to a weight belt with 52" chest and 34" waist. but i was ALWAYS not more than a few months away from turning into an obese turd, and on occasion did become one and then had to frantically try to recover from it. i have stretch marks all over my body. i have stretch marks on my stomach, on my ass, chest, shoulders, biceps - everywhere because whenever i slip i explode in weight.

oddly enough i never formally counted calories until last year. i have been trying to avoid calories since forever but it was only last year when i actually started calculating them accurately - and it has been the best thing i have ever done for myself by far.

i remember being 225 lbs @ 5'10", working out 20 hours a week and taking ephedrine and thyroid hormone ( illegally ) to try and lose weight and my friend at the gym was 125 pounds, eating all he could, trying to gain weight and not able to do it. but according to you there is no such thing as genetic predisposition. next thing you will say that there is no such thing as sex - men and women are the same, it's just a social construct. well - good luck giving birth.

when i'm on a diet my resting pulse is HALF of what it is when i am not - this is how hard my body fights for every last calorie - it will stop my heart from beating before it will allow a calorie to get burned by it. one time it came very close to doing just that - i passed out in part due to starvation while training in the pool and effectively drowned but was resuscitated. this was at age 16 or so. people speculated if i would stop swimming but i became a swimming team captain instead.

but now i am armed with a food scale and an excel spreadsheet and it works better than anything i have ever tried. i still can't forgive myself for not doing this sooner - somehow i never thought this to be a realistic option. i would be on a bodybuilding forum and these competitive bodybuilders would talk about how they have this many calories per day and then about what they eat and i wondered - how the he11 can they know how many calories are in the sushi they just had ? did they unrwrap the thing and weigh every ingredient on a gram scale separately ?

well that's what i am doing now. i weight every ingredient separately. when i make one smoothie i make about 10 different weight measurements and they all go into excel. and any foods like sushi which are impossible to calculate - i don't have them at all. i simply don't put anything into my mouth unless i can calculate the number of calories in it. yes it is a lot of work but it wins hands down compared to every other method i have tried because it works without killing me.

You lost me on your first paragraph. I guess I should've clarified. It's not just my personal experience. It's what I've learned. Common knowledge...to some. You're welcome and sorry to have agitated your oversensitive nerves palio. Continue on your journey. Cheers. :)

[sport]

I believe that if you are worried about the difference in the number of calories in a carrot or in carrot juice, you have an eating disorder, like many other people here who are obsessed with losing weight and calories.

Eat raw non processed food, as much as you want and LIVE.:heart

People have their own reasons for counting calories and they are not always the same.

[Stina]

This thread has cured my insomnia!

[proteus]

I guess I should've clarified. It's not just my personal experience. It's what I've learned. Common knowledge...to some.

just because you "learned" something doesn't mean it is actually the case. all muslims for example have "learned" that allah is the only god and muhammad his prophet - this is common knowledge in many parts of the world. atkins people have "learned" that eating nothing but steak is healthy - this is also common knowledge in many parts of the internet.

YOU don't *know* ANYTHING. anybody can read stuff online - that doesn't mean ****.

[green goddess]

Whew. Well, I'd just like to say that each person is different, with different ways of doing things, and different journeys to take, as cliche as it is. I personally believe that if one is eating the right foods for him/her, the most ideal, optimal foods possible for that person, he/she will be as healthy as can be (as far as nutrition goes, of course).

I would like to think that Proteus can succeed with simply eating healthily, but he is finding success with his chosen method of eating, and that is fine. It is his journey, and if it doesn't work, he will find another path. (liking this path / journey analogy right now...!) Nobody can claim to know what is best for anyone else, but people can certainly give advice and opinions based on what is true to them. And the thing about personal truths is, they're always evolving. Not much is ever really black or white, right or wrong, or set in stone. I wish you health, Proteus, and success on your raw journey. (Ok, that's it for the journey analogy!)

Ok, I'm done! Health and rawyness for everyone!

:heart

[green goddess]

Jazzygirl:

My best guess is that carrot juice would be about 70% of the original calories from whole carrots. However, because the juice contains most of the sugars and nutrients and the pulp most of the fibre, it is a whole food that has been processed, so nutritional data doesn't strictly apply. I treat juicing as a supplement to what I already eat, since I usually juice only about 1 litre at a time, and since usually what I juice is vegetables/greens and they are not terrifically calorie-dense. As long as you are not hungry, you are probably eating enough calories. You can make things as simple or as complicated as you feel inclined, but that's the bottom line in a nutshell! :)

:woohoo:

[jazzygirl]

I believe that if you are worried about the difference in the number of calories in a carrot or in carrot juice, you have an eating disorder, like many other people here who are obsessed with losing weight and calories.

Eat raw non processed food, as much as you want and LIVE.:heart

I do have an eating disorder... I think. I have been obsessed with calories ever since I was 17 (I was skinny then too). Now that I have gained weight as an adult and not just from getting older, mostly from eating like crap, I have lost 30lbs gained 15, lost 20 gained 20, it's been a roller coaster for the past two years. Exercise is not a problem as I enjoy it very much. It's my poor eating habits. I can sit and eat an entire cookie dough, half cooked half raw in one sitting. Ben & Jerrys with hot fudge, in one sitting. My sweets have gotten out of control. I have been much better the last few weeks as I have been trying everything under the sun to control my cravings, juicing has helped!! Dark chocolate almond milk helps take the edge off as well.

Anyhoo, I'm a calorie counting freak. I don't want to count calories anymore, I just want to eat and live (healthy of course)

[jazzygirl]

i remember being 225 lbs @ 5'10", working out 20 hours a week and taking ephedrine and thyroid hormone ( illegally ) to try and lose weight and my friend at the gym was 125 pounds, eating all he could, trying to gain weight and not able to do it. but according to you there is no such thing as genetic predisposition. next thing you will say that there is no such thing as sex - men and women are the same, it's just a social construct. well - good luck giving birth.

when i'm on a diet my resting pulse is HALF of what it is when i am not - this is how hard my body fights for every last calorie - it will stop my heart from beating before it will allow a calorie to get burned by it. one time it came very close to doing just that - i passed out in part due to starvation while training in the pool and effectively drowned but was resuscitated. this was at age 16 or so. people speculated if i would stop swimming but i became a swimming team captain instead.

but now i am armed with a food scale and an excel spreadsheet and it works better than anything i have ever tried. i still can't forgive myself for not doing this sooner - somehow i never thought this to be a realistic option. i would be on a bodybuilding forum and these competitive bodybuilders would talk about how they have this many calories per day and then about what they eat and i wondered - how the he11 can they know how many calories are in the sushi they just had ? did they unrwrap the thing and weigh every ingredient on a gram scale separately ?

well that's what i am doing now. i weight every ingredient separately. when i make one smoothie i make about 10 different weight measurements and they all go into excel. and any foods like sushi which are impossible to calculate - i don't have them at all. i simply don't put anything into my mouth unless i can calculate the number of calories in it. yes it is a lot of work but it wins hands down compared to every other method i have tried because it works without killing me.

You're not taking ephedrine and thyroid hormone anymore are you? My bodybuilding girlfriend landed herself in the hospital with a heart condition. She has an eating disorder and is now seeking counseling.

I understand the spread sheet and everything that you do to document every little thing you consume. Exhausting is it?? But if it works for you, awesome. I have joined fitday, livestrong, caloriecount.com.... nothing compares to me just writing it down on a log that I created myself on Microsoft word. I'm still overweight though :LOL:

[sport]

I read things and I repeat them here if the answer to someone's question is in there.
I can not do more than that as I can not test those facts myself.
We are all trying to educate ourselves and trying to share what we read and hear with each other.
I suggest that we continue to do so in the spirit of togetherness.

[snoops]

I do have an eating disorder... I think. I have been obsessed with calories ever since I was 17 (I was skinny then too). Now that I have gained weight as an adult and not just from getting older, mostly from eating like crap, I have lost 30lbs gained 15, lost 20 gained 20, it's been a roller coaster for the past two years. Exercise is not a problem as I enjoy it very much. It's my poor eating habits. I can sit and eat an entire cookie dough, half cooked half raw in one sitting. Ben & Jerrys with hot fudge, in one sitting. My sweets have gotten out of control. I have been much better the last few weeks as I have been trying everything under the sun to control my cravings, juicing has helped!! Dark chocolate almond milk helps take the edge off as well.

Anyhoo, I'm a calorie counting freak. I don't want to count calories anymore, I just want to eat and live (healthy of course)

And (as many will know!) I could only write that because I am that...
:sadtears:

I know the answer is to eat unprocessed food (I do not believe it all HAS to be raw but that's just me).

But knowing and doing, well thats it isn't it.

I do know that I can identify with all people who have addictions now as I try to not eat cheese and grains. I think there is great wisdom in one day at a time. Don't get overwhelmed with forever. You can do it for today.

Good luck with it - we're here with you:hug

[Revvell]

Well said. :D


And (as many will know!) I could only write that because I am that...
:sadtears:

I know the answer is to eat unprocessed food (I do not believe it all HAS to be raw but that's just me).

But knowing and doing, well thats it isn't it.

I do know that I can identify with all people who have addictions now as I try to not eat cheese and grains. I think there is great wisdom in one day at a time. Don't get overwhelmed with forever. You can do it for today.

Good luck with it - we're here with you:hug

[jazzygirl]

And (as many will know!) I could only write that because I am that...
:sadtears:

I know the answer is to eat unprocessed food (I do not believe it all HAS to be raw but that's just me).

But knowing and doing, well thats it isn't it.

I do know that I can identify with all people who have addictions now as I try to not eat cheese and grains. I think there is great wisdom in one day at a time. Don't get overwhelmed with forever. You can do it for today.

Good luck with it - we're here with you:hug

I would love to hear your story.

I am not nor have ever been anorexic or bulimic.... just major binge eating and only with sweets.

[JElay]

Proteus,

I agree that different bodies are genetically predisposed to carry weight and gain weight differently. What works for one person will not work for another.

However, have you considered that your experiences from your childhood have impacted the way you view yourself? I was a fat kid and I had to work my ass off to lose weight. When I reached my adult height of 5'9", I wanted to weigh between 127-135lbs and for a good amount of time, I attained that goal. However, as I learn to love myself more and view myself in a healthy way, I was too skinny at that weight. In order to have decent muscle mass, I need to be between 145-150lbs. Now this is on a medium-large, female frame. And when I let my body settle in that range, I didn't have to battle with calories anymore.

Have you ever considered letting your body settle at a slightly higher weight than 165lbs? At 5'10" and with the amount of weight-lifting/bodybuilding you do, I bet you would look amazing at 180-190lbs. I know there's always the fear of getting heavier(I was 210lbs at my heaviest) but your body just needs to find it's happy place.

[jazzygirl]

Proteus,

I think we need to see some photos.... let us be the judge :throwhearts: ----> I love that smiley!

[snoops]

Proteus,


Have you ever considered letting your body settle at a slightly higher weight than 165lbs? At 5'10" and with the amount of weight-lifting/bodybuilding you do, I bet you would look amazing at 180-190lbs. I know there's always the fear of getting heavier(I was 210lbs at my heaviest) but your body just needs to find it's happy place.

I would agree with this. As someone (though female) who is also 5'10" I know that I have to work like crazy to be 165. 180 for me (I have a very large frame for a girl!) is easy to maintain and when I look at pics of myself back then I can say I look good dahling.

And trying like the devil to get back there again to be happy with it this time:yes:

Are you sure 165 is a good weight for you??

[mcster]

just because you "learned" something doesn't mean it is actually the case. all muslims for example have "learned" that allah is the only god and muhammad his prophet - this is common knowledge in many parts of the world. atkins people have "learned" that eating nothing but steak is healthy - this is also common knowledge in many parts of the internet.

YOU don't *know* ANYTHING. anybody can read stuff online - that doesn't mean ****.

Here's a few things I do know...I know that when someone is kind enough to invest their time posting something in the spirit of helping by providing a different perspective to someone else, it's frigging rude to respond the way you did. I didn't read your essay. As I said, you lost me at the fist paragraph. However, in addition to the above, I also know that someone who responds the way you do, with put downs, assumptions, ignorant judgments and by writing a dissertation, is probably a highly emotional person and that, by default, means an absence of logic and reason.

When I was very young, my family had, among other businesses, nutrition stores. Needless to say, I grew up in a very health-conscious and nutrition knowledgeable family. I've also been veg three years longer than you've been alive green grasshoppa. So, just because you have different information doesn't automatically mean I don't know anything. It means I have different information you do. But the salient fact we do know is that I have far more experience than you do with a veg diet and that unlike you, I don't have to rely on calorie counting, consume bodybuilding products to achieve peak athletic performance or attempt to overcome obesity issues to have optimum health. So knock yourself out with your ideas kid and I'll stick to mine.

[Reesh]

Well someone should point out that people most certainly have inherited predispositions for certain metabolic rates. Naturally you can alter that with exercise and hard work.
It explains why certain individuals can eat a truck load of garbage and maintain a slim physique with very little effort, and why others can eat extremely healthfully or even raw and still carry a little extra. Each person carries millions of 'lines' of genetic code and while there may not be one 'fat gene', there are a multitude of genes that influence the way your body works, including the factors that control your production and retention of fat cells.

[mcster]

Well someone should point out that people most certainly have inherited predispositions for certain metabolic rates.

Environment trumps genes. Actions have the ability to change genetic predisposition. It has been scientifically proven.

I know a lot of people like to follow conventional wisdom but that doesn't make it true. It's a lot easier to say "it's just the way I am" than to say "it's within my control to change it".

[proteus]

it's my poor eating habits. I can sit and eat an entire cookie dough, half cooked half raw in one sitting. Ben & Jerrys with hot fudge, in one sitting. My sweets have gotten out of control.

living alone helps in case such as yours. i keep a separate fridge to myself but it's nothing like when i used to live alone. good times. much easier to avoid SAD food when there isn't any in the house.

[proteus]

Proteus,

I agree that different bodies are genetically predisposed to carry weight and gain weight differently. What works for one person will not work for another.

However, have you considered that your experiences from your childhood have impacted the way you view yourself? I was a fat kid and I had to work my ass off to lose weight. When I reached my adult height of 5'9", I wanted to weigh between 127-135lbs and for a good amount of time, I attained that goal. However, as I learn to love myself more and view myself in a healthy way, I was too skinny at that weight. In order to have decent muscle mass, I need to be between 145-150lbs. Now this is on a medium-large, female frame. And when I let my body settle in that range, I didn't have to battle with calories anymore.

Have you ever considered letting your body settle at a slightly higher weight than 165lbs? At 5'10" and with the amount of weight-lifting/bodybuilding you do, I bet you would look amazing at 180-190lbs. I know there's always the fear of getting heavier(I was 210lbs at my heaviest) but your body just needs to find it's happy place.

this is how i want to look:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_csccOt6gip4/R1M6331PumI/AAAAAAAAABM/ldpzl-toQY8/s1600-R/abercrombie_london.jpg

http://www.underwearbody.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/michelangelo-david-1504-3-views.jpg

this would probably correspond to about 150 pounds at 5'10" and i am 170 right now.

[proteus]

Proteus,

I think we need to see some photos.... let us be the judge :throwhearts: ----> I love that smiley!

what photos ?

[proteus]

I also know that someone who responds the way you do ... is probably a highly emotional person and that, by default, means an absence of logic and reason.

so what about all the great revolutionaries ? apparently they were all stupid because they had emotions.

yes lets judge people's logic on their feelings. great idea mc. why stop there? let's judge logical arguments on the color of the skin of the debater too.

no wait i got it. you expect us to believe that YOU are intelligent because YOU don't have emotions. well i have bad news for you - a piece of cork doesn't have emotions either.

[mcster]

so what about all the great revolutionaries ? apparently they were all stupid because they had emotions.

yes lets judge people's logic on their feelings. great idea mc. why stop there? let's judge logical arguments on the color of the skin of the debater too.

no wait i got it. you expect us to believe that YOU are intelligent because YOU don't have emotions. well i have bad news for you - a piece of cork doesn't have emotions either.

Nice try wanting to draw similarities between your emotional outbursts and passion but...no, different universes. Sorry. And now I'm a racist with no emotions...LOL.

Rather than being so concerned about the way you look, you might want to invest some time educating yourself and maybe one day you too might be able to make an intelligent argument.

Please stop trolling and grasping at straws so the rest of us can get back on topic. Thanks.

[RawHealthyBeauty]

I just began juicing and never considered going raw until I found this forum. Do you get enough calories going raw?

Oh yeah, I get plenty of calories on raw! My focus is on getting enough greens and just make a good smoothie mixed with lot of (fruits) goodies!!t Then I'm so good to go!!

[proteus]

Please stop trolling

after you ...

[Revvell]

living alone helps in case such as yours. i keep a separate fridge to myself but it's nothing like when i used to live alone. good times. much easier to avoid SAD food when there isn't any in the house.

Nod,nod,nod. I was much better w/ my food program AND movement before I got married and he moved in ~ with his own food. Sheesh!

[proteus]

back on topic - getting enough calories is not an issue at all. i could easily prepare a 2,000 calorie meal for you if i wanted.

for example i could take a source of sugar like raw honey or agave nectar, a source of fat like coconut butter, hemp oil or cacao butter, and some source of flavor or texture like hazelnuts, or raw cacao. you would be well on your way towards a calorie overdose.

a better question would be - do you get enough protein on a raw diet ? well, that depends on what you consider "enough" ...

[green goddess]

Yes, what is considered 'enough' protein? And what, really, is protein, after all? Protein is in everything that we eat that is in its natural state, meaning fresh, whole foods. I'm still surprised how much protein is in something like kale, which before I would have generally dismissed as 'rabbit food'. I think it's funny now that often the healthiest thing at a restaurant is the little frilly piece of green garnish on the plate!

I am armed only with information that I've accrued from reading about raw protein, how it's not really that important, how the amino acids in the raw foods we eat are where it's at. Until I've learned more for myself through my own eating regime, I can't say for sure.

[dime]

Very agreed. And one of the best things about eating raw is that the protein in food is of much better quality, not being damaged by heat in the process of cooking. Heating produces all sorts of mutations and toxins from the original protein molecules.

[proteus]

Yes, what is considered 'enough' protein? And what, really, is protein, after all? Protein is in everything that we eat that is

yes all living foods contain protein because all life on earth is protein based.

most however, especially fruits, don't contain enough ...

[proteus]

Very agreed. And one of the best things about eating raw is that the protein in food is of much better quality, not being damaged by heat in the process of cooking. Heating produces all sorts of mutations and toxins from the original protein molecules.

unfortunately quality isn't everything. sometimes quantity matters too.

[mcster]

Most professional raw vegan athletes do not consume anything beyond fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts and superfoods. There is more than enough protein in the raw vegan diet and due to the quality of protein in these foods, the requirements are far less than those advocated by most traditional sources of information. You may want to do more homework.

[Revvell]

Actually, it's not protein ~ it's amino acids which combine to create usable protein and being a 25+ year vegetarian (what is "hard core"? either you are or you aren't!).... and my teacher (Zenkahuna in the vids I've linked to) being a 35+ year vegetarian and his students ranging anywhere from 6-35+ years can tell you ~ ALL of us have more energy than most 2 year olds and ONE of us is 86; 3 others 62; a couple others in there 40's and on down.

My 62 year old teacher ~ 35+ year high raw vegan ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iok23qgr884

[dime]

And, btw ~ This IS a raw vegan forum and we do not suggest, talk about, etc. eating dead animals, raw or otherwise. Please read the "rules for posting".

My bad, I'm sorry. It says "Raw Food Talk" not "Raw Vegan Food Talk" so I didn't know.

[Aleesha Sattva]

Dime,

Here's the rules for posting:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=33779

Perhaps you could take a moment and read them.

Here's the one that affects this thread:


6. No discussions of animal products such as dairy, eggs or meat. We realize that for some, honey should be among that list but we are not opposed to honey so please do not start up discussions about why we accept honey if we’re vegan. There are discussions where the subject of honey was brought up and talked about so feel free to do a search for it to see the various sides of that. But aside from honey, no discussions in favor of consuming other animal products are to be discussed here.

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

[dime]

Done. Sorry again -- feel free to delete my posts.

[Stina]

Hi Dime,

The good thing about the rules here is that it helps reduce the bickering predominant at other raw forums!

And I know you're kinda new here- a warm welcome to you.

[mcster]

dime,

There are a couple of myths you may want to investigate. One is the B12 myth and the other is the protein myth. You can get all of the B12, aminos (protein) and omega 3/6/9 fats required through a vegan diet. B12 is produced on the ground...literally in dirt. So, you can get B12 through consumption of fruits and vegetables that grow on the ground or through consumption of animals that consume fruits and vegetables that grow on the ground. Guess which one is more efficient? As for protein, people always like to highlight the fact that meat is a "complete" protein with all essential aminos whereas fruits and vegetables are incomplete. IMO, that's by design. I don't know anyone who eats just one type of fruit or just one type of vegetable. What I do know is that we get all the essential aminos through consumption of a variety of fresh fruits and vegetables and that they are of far higher quality than those found in meat. They don't have bad cholesterol and acid forming properties that result in disease with prolonged consumption. They are also much easier to digest and much more concentrated in raw form. As an example, one avocado has the same "usable" protein as a 1lb steak. Same goes for omega oils. So, basically, the only way you can be deficient in B12, protein or omega oils is if you are vegan/vegetarian but eat SAD over a prolonged period of time. I hope that helps.

[dime]

Interesting. I'm very aware of the protein myths, but haven't come across the rest. I'll do some research, if it is backed up by some reasonable science then I wouldn't mind becoming vegan at all.

[mcster]

Interesting. I'm very aware of the protein myths, but haven't come across the rest. I'll do some research, if it is backed up by some reasonable science then I wouldn't mind becoming vegan at all.

There is tons of misinformation out there so it's very important to be thorough in doing your homework. However, the best and only way for you to ultimately decide what is right for you is through trial and error of what you've learned. I've been vegetarian and vegan most of my life and have experimented with a lot of approaches. At the end of the day, the most logical path to achieving peak health and athletic performance I've found for myself is raw veganism. Why? Because it simple, elegant and goes back to basics. The results speak for themselves and I'm not the only one who notices them. I researched it thoroughly before jumping in and it's been the most amazing thing I've done for my health. Just the same, it seems there are a lot of people who struggle with it so it all boils down to who you are and what you make of it. Best of luck in your search.

[proteus]

Most professional raw vegan athletes do not consume anything beyond fruits, vegetables, seeds, nuts and superfoods. There is more than enough protein in the raw vegan diet and due to the quality of protein in these foods, the requirements are far less than those advocated by most traditional sources of information. You may want to do more homework.

don't talk to me.

[mcster]

don't talk to me.

Wow kid. You need some serious help. Who the hell is talking to you?