Are veggies alone enough?

[lovemy2girls]

In reading the posts on this website, I am finding a lot of recipes and references to flax crackers, raw nuts/seeds, nut butters, granola, stuff like that...

Is it ok if I dont eat any of that? crackers have never been a favorite of mine, I just dont crave them, ever. I can eat a few nuts here and there, but again, They are just not something that appeals to me. Maybe once a week, I will want almond butter. I also dont eat granola, or granola bars. I would much rather make some green juice, or a salad. I do LOVE avacados, but I have been told that they will make me fat. I also LOVE fish. I eat it about twice a week. The only cooked foods I ever really eat are fish, sweet potatoes and sprouted grain toast.

I am having a very hard time getting past what I have been taught about fat on a SAD, and am very confused. If I eat a salad with an avacado on it for lunch, I am good until dinner...I would hate to be a 'fat' rawatarian LOL

I just want to make sure I am getting everything I need nutrient wise. Will I be healthy if all I eat is vegetables.

[laughalways]

Hi...In order to get enought calories you can fill in the gap with fruit. Eat fruit for breakfast and dinner if you eat the salad for lunch. Fruit is wonderfull. Lately I've been eating pineapple and it tastes wonderful!

[Shels]

You'd be worrying about one avocado? Forget about it! One avocado a day is not very much at all. Your body needs some healthy fats. And it's perfectly fine to not want granolas and crackers, while they are not harmful, they are not really necessary either.

As for only eating veggies, I'm not sure what to tell you because it lies right in the middle of my two beliefs:
1) Everything in moderation.
2) Listen to your body.
ONLY having veggies is certainly not moderation, and I would think that you need some fruits to be healthy. But, if your body is only craving veggies, that means something too, right?

[Raw Angel Mom]

Why not, lol....

Go with the flow, if you aren't appeal to eat this, then don't

There isn't anything wrong to eat a low calori diet (Depending of your age of course). I don't eat as much as i used to and i read that it actually slow down the aging process if you restrict your calori. Cand you add greens in your diet, spirulina etc....

Gojji berries are rich in iron, Golden berries in vitamin C and calcium. Try as many variety of food that you can.

Vegetables are very rich. Make sure to eat as many variety of color you can also.

If your body crave for fruits or different raw food, please go for it, it means you need it.

Best luck!

[sport]

You need fruit for vitamins and veg for minerals.
Nothing else is necessary. You get all the fat and proteing that you need from those two.
If you are not ready for that then just eat what you want until you are ready. That is Alissa's philosophy and it is a good one.
Do not let anyone tell you that you must eat nuts or seeds. You do not need them. Eat what you want and not what someone else wants.

[bananarama]

All the flax crackers and granola and etc. are more just transitional foods for getting off of cooked foods. They're not essential at all. And avocados are not going to make you fat. There's nothing wrong with not eating nuts and seeds - remember, some people have allergies and can't eat those things at all.

[Stella Green]

Avocados (fat) keep me warm in the winter, and they haven't made me gain weight. Fruit in the morning, is my advice, too. :fruitline:

[Dimond]

It's important eat much more than veggies so you can maintain or lose weight (otherwise you'll eventually lose too much) and to get enough nutrients. Fruit should be the majority of your diet. Most can eat a lot of fat at the beginning of raw with little or no consequences. Eventually you find you don't want or need as much.

[lovemy2girls]

I kind of forgot about fruit. I eat a fair amount of fruit LOL sorry.

On an average day I will eat

Breakfast - green juice which I am totally addicted to btw. This morning I made it with: 1 bunch of celery (yes, the whole thing!) a big handful of spinach, a few stalks of kale, 2 lemons, 2 apples, a chunk of ginger, (if I have leftover cut up veg from the day before, I usually add those too)
I spent the morning drinking a few glasses of this.

Lunch: I had a few veggie wrap carrots, peppers, celery etc wrapped in lettuce with a small smear of tahini.

Snack a few hours later: Smoothie. 1-2 bananas, a couple frozen strawberries, 2 kiwi, and a splash of my green juice from the morning for liquid

Dinner: spinach salad with almond butter. weird, I know but it was yummy. Usually I will have some type of salad mixed veggies with raw corn, green beans, carrots, tomatoes, cucumber and mix it with some soft avacado. that type of thing.

Now Im drinking tea.

I do eat fish about 2x a week, and occasionally a piece of toast. Im not 100% raw, and im not fooling myself thinking that it will happen right away - if ever...but thats a good example of what I eat in a day...

[sport]

You are doing very well but if you read The China Study you will see that you must stop eating the fish.
I do believe that if you want to still eat some cooked food then a nice plate of steamed veg would be your best choice. It would be far preferable to toast.
If you feel that you can not give up bread (and it is very addictive) then you will find that flax crackers will help you to transition.

[Stella Green]

It sounds to me like you're doing great!

At first the idea of giving up bread was shocking, but then when I went gluten-free, I was amazed at how much energy I have. Now the idea of eating toast or anything else seems really weird to me...like having a big gut bomb in my stomach. Anyway, my advice if you want to wean yourself off from bread is to first go gluten-free alternative grains, like Sport said with flax crackers.

But still, I want to end on a positive note. It sounds like you are doing great! Best luck to you on your raw journey. :goodday:

[lovemy2girls]

I like fish, and Im not going to stop eating it. I am doing the best that I can and I think that starting out it is totally unrealistic forme to go cold turkey, and I just dont want to.

I dont eat very much bread. Ill have toast maybe once a week, but maybe flx crackers would be a good alternative? Its not even the bread that I want, I just like it with almond butter

[queenkel]

I bet celery would taste pretty good with almond butter in the ridge!

[modernmonkey]

Slices of apple smeared with almond butter with raisins stuck to it is to die for.

[Dimond]

I use to eat bread with almond butter too and found it quite easy to give up once I was raw. Making raw crackers and bread can be a good substitute and goes well with almond butter. I buy them pre-made such as Love Force breads-very delicious. They are great for pizza as well. They're not completely hard like many of the pre-made ones which is why they're a good bread substitute.

If you like a fish flavor, you can start experimenting with different raw vegan versions so you can gradually eliminate it from your diet. Seaweeds have that fishy taste and there's a few options with dips/pates.


Slices of apple smeared with almond butter with raisins stuck to it is to die for. With raisins sounds yummy, should try that sometimes.

[Non]

You need fruit for vitamins and veg for minerals.
Nothing else is necessary. You get all the fat and proteing that you need from those two.
If you are not ready for that then just eat what you want until you are ready. That is Alissa's philosophy and it is a good one.
Do not let anyone tell you that you must eat nuts or seeds. You do not need them. Eat what you want and not what someone else wants.

where do you get the fat?

the protein does not fit the RDA, unless you eat TONS of greens, and the most fibrous ones which do not digest well and have goitrogens.

not to mention, greens are quite expensive.

[Non]

avocados don't omega 3s...

[sport]

where do you get the fat?

the protein does not fit the RDA, unless you eat TONS of greens, and the most fibrous ones which do not digest well and have goitrogens.

There is fat and protein in everything. For example, cucumber is 6% fat and 10% protein. If you ate nothing but cucumber as long as you ate enough to get your required calories you would get enough fat and too much protein.

[Non]

There is fat and protein in everything. For example, cucumber is 6% fat and 10% protein. If you ate nothing but cucumber as long as you ate enough to get your required calories you would get enough fat and too much protein.

yea but... do you want to eat nothing but cucumbers, and 80 10 10 requires 10 percent fat, 6 percent doesn't cut it.

Im sorry I just haven't been able to see a good way to do with a high fruit 80-10-10 diet..., without nuts or seeds at all? now that's something.

[changeisgood]

From what you wrote it looks like you're doing great. If you're that worried, you can always add some spiralina, or other nutrients, etc.

I would get overwhelmed with each day trying to figure out 80-10-10. My body tells me what it needs and I take care of myself by listening.

I go on different sights and read different books regarding what we need to sustain ourselves and be healthy. It pretty much sounds like you're on the right track.

[sport]

yea but... do you want to eat nothing but cucumbers, and 80 10 10 requires 10 percent fat, 6 percent doesn't cut it.

Im sorry I just haven't been able to see a good way to do with a high fruit 80-10-10 diet..., without nuts or seeds at all? now that's something.

I only used the cucumber as an example because it is something that you would not expect to find much fat or protein in. I can give you 20 more examples.

80 10 10 does not require that you have 10% fat and protein. It sets that as a max but 90 5 5 is considered healthier. If you go above the 10 on a regular basis it is believed that your health will be compromised.

[sport]

I would get overwhelmed with each day trying to figure out 80-10-10. My body tells me what it needs and I take care of myself by listening.

It is not a bit overwhelming. I do not even think about fat and protein. I find that the only things that I have to think about are sodium and Vit E but that has nothing to do with 80 10 10.
Being on 80 10 10 caused me to input my info and was what brought to my attention that I was not getting enough of these so I am grateful to it for that.

[Aleesha Sattva]

I like fish, and Im not going to stop eating it. I am doing the best that I can and I think that starting out it is totally unrealistic forme to go cold turkey, and I just dont want to.

I dont eat very much bread. Ill have toast maybe once a week, but maybe flx crackers would be a good alternative? Its not even the bread that I want, I just like it with almond butter

This is a raw vegan forum. We don't care if you choose to eat these things but we don't discuss them here.


yea but... do you want to eat nothing but cucumbers, and 80 10 10 requires 10 percent fat, 6 percent doesn't cut it.

Im sorry I just haven't been able to see a good way to do with a high fruit 80-10-10 diet..., without nuts or seeds at all? now that's something.


It is not a bit overwhelming. I do not even think about fat and protein. I find that the only things that I have to think about are sodium and Vit E but that has nothing to do with 80 10 10.
Being on 80 10 10 caused me to input my info and was what brought to my attention that I was not getting enough of these so I am grateful to it for that.

Ladies... we also don't discuss/debate etc. other philosophies of raw live foods. This forum has been created to support people who are choosing to follow Alissa Cohen's philosophy of raw live foods.

Mission Statement and Rules/Guidelines for posting here. (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2933)

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

[OnMyJourney]

I bet celery would taste pretty good with almond butter in the ridge!

It is indeed! I used to have this snack even in my SAD days with cooked/processed butters. SO much better now. My daughter (who's now 12) tops the almond butter with raisins. I mention her age, because it was a snack "recipe" she learned from Blues Clues and she still loves it. LOL

[sport]

Ladies... we also don't discuss/debate etc. other philosophies of raw live foods. This forum has been created to support people who are choosing to follow Alissa Cohen's philosophy of raw live foods.
Aleesha
Admin

Now Aleesha you know that I do not mean to make mischief but it is in my nature and you can not fight nature.

[sport]

I can not help thinking that sometimes it is good if someone mentions that they have a problem with something like bread because a lot of us did have that problem (or others) so are in a good position to give advice.
If someone comes back and supports the use of bread then we should all jump up and trottle them.

[Eva]

I can not help thinking that sometimes it is good if someone mentions that they have a problem with something like bread because a lot of us did have that problem (or others) so are in a good position to give advice.
If someone comes back and supports the use of bread then we should all jump up and trottle them.

I love both jumping up and throttling. So this works for me. Bring it on. Who likes bread? I'm ready!

*giggle* I'm sorry (not really) sport, just having a little fun over here. :throwhearts:

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No but seriously... it's hard to say that you MUST have nuts, seeds, etc. I think to nature, if I were fending for myself... I can easily find fruit trees and greens... but nuts... I know there are Brazil nuts here (and oh, how I love them!)... but I've never seen them around outside of the little plastic packages at the grocer. I don't know where I would find them? Can we really, absolutely need those things?

[Shels]

Now Aleesha you know that I do not mean to make mischief but it is in my nature and you can not fight nature.

Lol. :dance: I like that confrontations here involve joking instead of arguing.

[Aleesha Sattva]

So do I! :8

[sport]

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*giggle* I'm sorry (not really) sport, just having a little fun over here. :throwhearts:


You can drop the "over here" now because I am over here and can come and get you.

[climbing]

In reading the posts on this website, I am finding a lot of recipes and references to flax crackers, raw nuts/seeds, nut butters, granola, stuff like that...

Is it ok if I dont eat any of that? crackers have never been a favorite of mine, I just dont crave them, ever. I can eat a few nuts here and there, but again, They are just not something that appeals to me. Maybe once a week, I will want almond butter. I also dont eat granola, or granola bars. I would much rather make some green juice, or a salad. I do LOVE avacados, but I have been told that they will make me fat. I also LOVE fish. I eat it about twice a week. The only cooked foods I ever really eat are fish, sweet potatoes and sprouted grain toast.

I am having a very hard time getting past what I have been taught about fat on a SAD, and am very confused. If I eat a salad with an avacado on it for lunch, I am good until dinner...I would hate to be a 'fat' rawatarian LOL

I just want to make sure I am getting everything I need nutrient wise. Will I be healthy if all I eat is vegetables.

First of all, fat doesn't make you fat. That is a myth. Or rather, fat doesn't make you any fatter than [this many] calories coming from whatever. It's more about your daily caloric intake and how your body reacts to certain foods. Many people get fat from eating too many cooked grains because grains (gluten, etc) tend to be hard on most people's systems, if not completely intolerant to digesting them. So, that is a specific issue that could effect weight gain, but if one easily digested grains, then it would be as simple as [this many] calories per meal.

So don't worry about avocados. You need them, they are so healthy and good for you. I eat probably 5-6 a day now. I'm teeny.

[sport]

First of all, fat doesn't make you fat. That is a myth. Or rather, fat doesn't make you any fatter than [this many] calories coming from whatever. It's more about your daily caloric intake and how your body reacts to certain foods. Many people get fat from eating too many cooked grains because grains (gluten, etc) tend to be hard on most people's systems, if not completely intolerant to digesting them. So, that is a specific issue that could effect weight gain, but if one easily digested grains, then it would be as simple as [this many] calories per meal.

So don't worry about avocados. You need them, they are so healthy and good for you. I eat probably 5-6 a day now. I'm teeny.
Fat may not make you fat (and that is debatable) but neither does it make you healthy.
The idea of raw foods is to make it as simple for your body to digest your food as possible and neither fat or grains help this.
When your body needs to send all of its enzyme power and energy to your digestive tract to break down fat and grains it is taking its eye off the more important task of healing and building.
Fat is slower to digest and holds up everything and therefore more fermentation will take place and more toxins will be produced.

[climbing]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one I guess. If I only ate fruits and veggies I'd probably drop dead. I need WAYYYYYY more calories than that. I'd have to be eating constantly, I can't even imagine what it would take to try and get all my protein from greens and veggies. And I've always needed a lot of fat. I'm a fat burner type.

Anyway, honestly I didn't realize this forum was only devoted to one way of thinking... I've never even read Alissas books or anything, I just found this forum from searching for raw food forums. But after reading this thread and a few others I'm not sure I agree with the food philosophy being presented here... I personally don't feel it's healthy.

So yeah.. there is a lot I could debate here but since you guys have asked it not be a debate over diets, etc I will probably just look for another forum that better fits what my own beliefs are about diet. Not that I won't come back I like the fasting forum. :)

Anyway, ya'll have been kind and helpful, I just don't want to keep having this urge to say "no, that isn't correct" over and over when I see stuff being said here. I'm glad you have found something that works for you though.

<3 Peace out til another time. :)

[sport]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one I guess. If I only ate fruits and veggies I'd probably drop dead. I need WAYYYYYY more calories than that. I'd have to be eating constantly, I can't even imagine what it would take to try and get all my protein from greens and veggies. And I've always needed a lot of fat. I'm a fat burner type.

Anyway, honestly I didn't realize this forum was only devoted to one way of thinking... I've never even read Alissas books or anything, I just found this forum from searching for raw food forums. But after reading this thread and a few others I'm not sure I agree with the food philosophy being presented here... I personally don't feel it's healthy.

So yeah.. there is a lot I could debate here but since you guys have asked it not be a debate over diets, etc I will probably just look for another forum that better fits what my own beliefs are about diet. Not that I won't come back I like the fasting forum. :)

Anyway, ya'll have been kind and helpful, I just don't want to keep having this urge to say "no, that isn't correct" over and over when I see stuff being said here. I'm glad you have found something that works for you though.

<3 Peace out til another time. :)
I am sorry that you feel that way.
This is a journey and you change as you progress and have got to be flexible to accommodate that change.
There are many different people here and as many different ways of thinking but I think that we do respect each others ideas.

[berrylover]

I didnt think this site promoted the 80 10 10 diet? I eat avocados too and find them fine. Let me know if this is a raw site that doesnt allow any fats because I already did the 80 10 10 version and gained too much weight on that, plus had blood sugar issues so I would like to go back to Alissa Cohens way which allows fats. I lost weight eating fat and lots of greens and felt better eating this way.

[Aleesha Sattva]

We don't promote (or support) the 80-10-10 diet.

climbing, I hear you. We all need to feel comfortable when we post. We'll miss you here is/when you find a new forum home. :backhug

[sport]

This is probably my fault. I do not think that diets should have labels but I did think that someone having 5 or 6 avocados a day was too much fat.
I can not agree with it but then perhaps it is not my place to agree or disagree.

[Aleesha Sattva]

Bottom line... some people eat a lot of bananas, others eat avocados... others nuts/seeds. It doesn't really matter what they eat as long as it's working for them. If it's not working and they want help changing their diet... then that's a different story.

What works works. Period.

Fasting works for me... doesn't for some other people but it doesn't make my way wrong and theirs right. Just means mine works for me and their way works for them. Absolute perfection in my mind... cause we are such unique beings!