Speaking of Vaccines, Viruses... what do you think about T.C. Fry?

[NoGMO!]

Lately the talk about vaccines and viruses on the board made me think of some of what these guys had to say about such topics.
> add: Prof. Peter Duesberg, Dr. Herbert Shelton... <

here's one article I found...
http://www.organicwellness.com/tcfry.htm

~open for discussion~

[NoGMO!]

btw, I have read some books by each, but I'm by no means an expert, just interested in other's opinions.

cheers :D

[sweetgoddess]

I really enjoyed reading that interview. Ivery much agree with his view on vaccinations. Personally, I think the man is quite brilliant.
Loved this:


Wellness begets long life. The mode of living that begets wellness also immensely enhances the quality of life. The shorter the life span as a rule, the more miserable it is. People who neglect health live lives with more suffering and illness. Hence, their lack of care gives rise to perpetual discomforts and ailments. More than 50 percent of Americans suffer from chronic ailments either because "they don't care" or because they don't know enough to care.

Thanks for sharing this. :)

[rawpriestess]

I was born in the 50's a time of scare tactics, the Bomb and vaccines.

I always hated them, but my mom used to say, "It's just a little hurt to keep a big hurt away." she meant the shots of course, but I never quite thought they were the "right" thing to do.

I don't think it is a natural thing to stick a metal object into your body and put in dead virus cells, just doesn't seem natural to me. So, that is my take on it.

I used to say, "I never get sick" and I didn't for years and years, no colds no flu, nothing, I would have headaches if I ate cooked foods, that was mainly it, but never a cold/flu type thingy.

When I first went raw about 4 years ago, I got something that lasted one entire week, I was sick in bed, with a terrible cough, I was coughing up green thick slime, it was nasty (ICK), it also felt like I was breathing razor blades, but I wouldn't go to the doctor, I just don't see what they could do for me, give me something to feel better? HAH!! Balderdash.

So, I rested and slept and took care of myself the best I could, (I was living alone at the time) and that was it, after about a week, I felt great, now my friends who I told about his, said,"You could have died, you had Pnemonia" Well, I'm sure I did have what everyone would have called pnemonia, but I wasn't going to any doctor, and if I died, then I died, so what?

You see, I'd rather take care of myself, and die, than go to a hospital and talk to a doctor, get drugs, and pay a fortune and NOT live my principles of natural health.

I just don't see myself doing that. Eveyone else has these same choices.

But, most people won't just take care of themselves, it might have been easier, if I would have had someone to make me hot tea, but them maybe not, I fasted that whole time, because I couldnt' get out of bed, so I wasn't drinking anything, and I wasn't peeing either. I would have about 1/4 cup of water a day or so, now maybe that is NOT a good thing, but it worked for me, and I am still alive to talk about it.

Now, if someone had been here to help me, they would have woken me up to take aspirin, and some kind of medicine, I would have had to walk to the bathroom, and drink fluids, that my body did not want, who knows, maybe without the fasting and rest, I would have died.

But, you see, I didn't have a game plan, I didn't say, "okay fast and rest for 7 days" then get up and do this, this and this. I just did what my body told me to do. And THAT is the best thing anyone can do for themselves. Plain and simple. And no doctor can tell me what my body needs, because I've never met one, I wanted to be like, live like, or look like. So far.

Also, I live in the woods, and all my animals do too, and we don't vaccinate anyone here, and they have never come down with any country woodsy type challenges like rabies, etc. Even though my vet told me to watch out for this, we've lived here 15 years, and so far, so good.

[NoGMO!]

many good points made in this interview, such as these two excerpts-

Anderson: So, you dismiss all claims of "curing" made for all drugs?

T. C. Fry: Drugs furnish no nutrients. They have no intelligence to create new cells and repair damaged tissue. Instead drugs form chemical unions that paralyze nerves and suspend vital action, thus suppressing symptoms of disease. The person thus treated is sicker than before even though appearing and feeling better! Drugs, which have a stimulant action rather than a narcotic action, goad the body into extraordinary eliminative activity but this exhausts an already exhausted body thus resulting in the subject being worse off than before. [PDH, p. 107]

Anderson: Many believe they are kept well and/or or healed by their prescribed drugs. Are you saying they suffer an illusion?

T. C. Fry: All healing that takes place after the administration of drugs (or any other kind of treatment) does so in spite of the drugs, not because of them. Drugs and treatments all rise to glory on the back of the self-healing powers of the body! Under no circumstances can drugs cure anything and there never will be such a drug. All drugs are inherently poisonous and dangerous to the organism.
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btw, has anyone read The Great AIDS Hoax? it's a bit mind blowing~ :rolleyes:

[NoGMO!]

I felt great, now my friends who I told about his, said,"You could have died, you had Pnemonia" Well, I'm sure I did have what everyone would have called pnemonia, but I wasn't going to any doctor, and if I died, then I died, so what?

You see, I'd rather take care of myself, and die, than go to a hospital and talk to a doctor, get drugs, and pay a fortune and NOT live my principles of natural health.

I just don't see myself doing that. Eveyone else has these same choices.



I agree! AND personaly, I think your chances for good health are higher this way.

[Randolyn]

I have a question to all you parents out there. Ok as most of you know we just had a baby. She was 8 weeks early and it is recommended that she have the RSV vaccine. I breastfeed and am not sure that having the vaccine is the right thing to do. But then again the RSV virus could put her back in the hospital or even kill her :eek: I can't find too much info about breastfeeding keeping her from getting the virus but I am not too thrilled about her getting the vaccine every month during RSV season either. Please let me know your thoughts or if you know of any links..pro or con either way. If I have more info I can feel more confident about whatever choice I make.

Thanks, Vikki

[Rawkinlocs]

I'd first like to say that I agree with much of what TC Fry taught, esp. about germ fear, vaccines, etc.

I love the quote that NoGMO quoted RawPriestess as having said a couple of posts up from mine here!

Randolyn, I have a 2-year old who I have not had vaccinated. We lived in MI and there was all the buzz about the flu vaccine...many who GOT the vaccine got the flu and we never got it and never got the flu either!

If you are eating healthy and nursing your baby, then don't let those "scares" get to you! If you feel strongly against the vaccine, then follow your motherly, gut instinct and steer clear of it!

[NoGMO!]

Randolyn,

Congratulations on your new baby girl!

I don't have any experience being a new mom :( ... yet! - but I googled some vaccine info for you anyway incase you're interested.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm
this page seems to have more information than anyone would probably ever want to know about vaccines. :p

also, I think there are several books on the subject listed on the same page, altough I have not had time to read the whole thing yet. good luck in what ever decision you make! :)

[rawpriestess]

Randolyn

first, let me say CONGRATULATIONS on a wonderful baby girl, and a great new addition to your loving family. They are all beautiful (say pics of all the kids)

And second, I must say, you must follow your own heart her, dear.

Since you aren't feeling that the vaccinations are a good thing, then I would follow your heart on that.

I know that having a baby premie--mine was 4 weeks premie, and they said he would always be slight, small and probably not too bright, well he is 37 years old now, 6'3" tall and has an IQ of 159--I suppose he HAD to show them up. LOL

So, don't let the doctors "curse" you, refuse anything they say that you don't like, and follow your own mother's heart as far as taking care of your little ones.

I was only 15 when I had my son, and I still refused to honor their beliefs. So, do what YOU feel is right for YOUR child.

and if you do decide to get vaccines, then you are doing it because you feel it is right, and that is a good thing, but if you don't, then you will know it was YOUR decision.

we can only do what we know is right in our hearts.

Good luck on your decision, I know you'll make the right one, what ever is right for you. and your beautiful family.

Blessings.

[Pailani]

I've never had a preemie. But a friend did, her baby was 6 weeks early, born at the same time mine was. I didn't do any vacs, she did, I breastfed, she didn't. That winter, RSV did make the rounds in our area, hers caught it, mine didn't. I remember being worried that winter about RSV, flu and whooping cough. If my baby had been a preemie, I would have been more worried than I already was. Still, injecting a foreign substance into a baby who already needs all the help she can get doesn't seem like a very good idea.

If it was me with a preemie, I wouldn't do the vaccines, but I would do everything I could do keep my baby away from people during the winter.

[kel]

The reason I choose a raw diet is to improve my less than perfect health

I have been sick before, deathly ill. Told my chances of survival were nil. I have had 5 surgeries and all of them were life saving. Now I don't shirk from the doctors that wield their knives and needles, they do have a place in our society and they have saved the my live and the lives of both of my children.

My view on doctors is that they are here for when you are horizontally ill. Chop off your finger or something else and you want your doctor around. When we are healthy we are responsible for our own health. When we are not able to look after ourselves we look to doctors. Most people don't take responsability for their own health, and these seem to be the people that get sick.

But get hit by a bus I would like a doctor around.

[Randolyn]

Thanks everyone for your replies to my RSV post. I have offically decided NOT to vaccinate her. I have read quite a few of the sites recommended and also I found some studies on the vaccine. I could not find anywhere that it is necessary nor can I really be sure that it would benefit her at all. Over 1/2 of the children who get the vaccine come down with upper respitory virus' and almost as many get ear infections and such. That just seems outragious :mad: Thanaks again!!! :D