My dillema..

[renerdrat]

Ok.. well first off I have some weird type of, i don't even know what it is.

But what seems to happen is my body just doesn't.. accept foods, or vitamins. It's kind of hard to explain. But for example.. things that should be good for me, cause stress on my body/ mind.

Like.. if I take something that is good for me, for example I bought magnesium because it is good for you, and I don't think I was getting enough in my diet.

Anyways pretty much what happens (mostly with any supplement/vitamin/minderal) is I just feel so bad. I feel like a bus hit me.. mentally. I suddenly have little mental energy, I feel tired but I can't sleep, I feel just... really weird. I don't understand it... because it's like, ok this is suppose to be good for me, so why am I reacting to it so negatively?

And.. idk, I haven't tried going raw yet. I mean, I tried it, but just for a few days, Because.. what seems to happen is, my body is under stress which causes other things to go wrong... Like having stress plus high sugar from fruits, causes me to feel very bad.

I'm not sure if I should just take the plunge and just keep eating raw for a long time.. or if maybe I should do like some sort of vegetable diet for a few days, and then start eating fruits, or if I should just stay on this "candida diet" which is like low sugar, which has been helping I feel.. but not really that much. I don't think I have candida, I think I have a leaky gut..

I know I have inflammation though, and I think badly. Like the way I tell is if I scratch myself, or even sometimes just touch part of my body, it will swell up.

ya.. what should I do? Or how should I go about going raw if I do?

[healthywealthy]

You could mono diet,you know just stay on natural foods only.
you are gonna get some detox side effects with whatever you do,
but you will get massive energy with natural foods.

I personally don't take any supplements,I believe everything I need I get from my food,that belief is formed from experience.

hope you feel better soon.

[sport]

Would you consider a juice fast.

[k8sl8]

Sounds a little like you jump around a bit with your supplements and diet. How about either the juice fast as Sport mentioned or transitioning to raw. Start with changes to organic and then add raw a bit at a time, starting with green leafy veggies. No matter what you do, you will have some detox symptoms from mild to severe... no avoiding it, but a transition version should keeps symptoms to a minimum. I wouldn't take any supplements - if you eat an organic "balanced" diet to start and transition to raw, there should be very little in the way of supplements that you need.

There are some very good books on the subject. Either purchase or see what your local library has available. This site is supported by Alissa Cohen, author of two of the best... Living on Live Foods and Raw Food for Everyone.

Before all raw I also liked a book by Natalia Rose that encouraged a very slow transition. Somewhere in all the options out there, there is a right one for you.

Don't give up; just adjust. And don't expect "perfect" right away. There is definitely a learning curve involved here.

[kjduf]

You could also start with a green smoothie in the mornings. Thats how I started. Then after a couple weeks I added in a salad for lunch and then went raw for dinner.

[Aleesha Sattva]

have you read Alissa's first book? you really should. it would assist you greatly.

this is what i would do. i would eat the foods (all raw) that my body does like and ditch the supplements. i would focus more on the SAD foods i'm taking in and less on the raw foods (causing you to feel bad) cause IMO nutrition doesn't cause us to feel bad... it might cause some detox but it's healthy... while SAD food IMO is not.

and a juice fast is a great idea as well! but again... it'll be detoxing so you will feel bad before you'll feel better.

[renerdrat]

I don't know, I've been eating healthy already and every time things have always said oh you're gonna feel detox, but honestly I've never felt any detox symptoms. I've always just felt the same. And whenever I do cleanses or whatnot, it never appears that I got rid of tons of toxins or anything. I don't really think I have much of any toxins. I am young, only 18.

The thing is, I really really want to get better ASAP. I've been feeling really bad, and just want to be good again. I'll pretty much do whatever it takes to start feeling well again. Whether that means juice fasting, or idk

thanks for answering

[streetsurfer]

I'd go with your gut feeling (dat's a pun, son)and get tested for the leaky gut.See if your doc will order the urine test for it. It would be a futile attempt, trying to feel better (and fighting the candida) if you have formed antibodies to certain foods because of the leaky gut, yet are still consuming them. Even though they be raw whole foods, you could be reacting to them. Because of that, you'd probably want to do Elisa testing (or similar)to determine any food sensitivities that might have developed.

I think raw is the path you will want to take to get over it, if find you do have it. It's usually there alongside candida overgrowth in the gut, from what I understand, so that's where I'd start.

[renerdrat]

I'd go with your gut feeling (dat's a pun, son)and get tested for the leaky gut.See if your doc will order the urine test for it. It would be a futile attempt, trying to feel better (and fighting the candida) if you have formed antibodies to certain foods because of the leaky gut, yet are still consuming them. Even though they be raw whole foods, you could be reacting to them. Because of that, you'd probably want to do Elisa testing (or similar)to determine any food sensitivities that might have developed.

I think raw is the path you will want to take to get over it, if find you do have it. It's usually there alongside candida overgrowth in the gut, from what I understand, so that's where I'd start.

that sounds like a good idear, I should try that

[dya88]

Renerdrat

I have the same problems as you and I am MUCH older(53).
Have done cleanses and lived a somewhat healthy life style.
I used to be able to eat raw( with insomnia) but when I tried it this time , irritability went thru the roof and insomnia returned.
It seems the more things I do the worse I get, but mine is all mental. Physically I felt fine with only minor detox symptoms.
I see many people suggest a juice fast....but in another thread some people suggested that I not fast and eat instead.

I'm not much help here but will follow this thread.

[renerdrat]

Renerdrat

I have the same problems as you and I am MUCH older(53).
Have done cleanses and lived a somewhat healthy life style.
I used to be able to eat raw( with insomnia) but when I tried it this time , irritability went thru the roof and insomnia returned.
It seems the more things I do the worse I get, but mine is all mental. Physically I felt fine with only minor detox symptoms.
I see many people suggest a juice fast....but in another thread some people suggested that I not fast and eat instead.

I'm not much help here but will follow this thread.

oh dang.. what kinds of foods did you eat when you went raw? And did you try doing any type of diet or fast before going raw? Thanks for your input

[Aleesha Sattva]

Renerdrat

I have the same problems as you and I am MUCH older(53).
Have done cleanses and lived a somewhat healthy life style.
I used to be able to eat raw( with insomnia) but when I tried it this time , irritability went thru the roof and insomnia returned.
It seems the more things I do the worse I get, but mine is all mental. Physically I felt fine with only minor detox symptoms.
I see many people suggest a juice fast....but in another thread some people suggested that I not fast and eat instead.

I'm not much help here but will follow this thread.

I'm not sure where you were told not to fast. I looked and didn't see it in your posts... I must have missed it???

I thought you were doing a green smoothie fast and just not drinking enough.

Make sure to follow your needs... whatever those are. *smile*

[sport]

Renerdrat

I see many people suggest a juice fast....but in another thread some people suggested that I not fast and eat instead.

I'm not much help here but will follow this thread.
Well this is not a contradiction. When you fast you fast but you still get enough calories and nutrients. When you are not fasting make sure that you get enough calories. Lack of calories will lead to irritability.

[dya88]

@Renerdrat I was drinking at least 2 quarts of green smoothies made from organic collards, spinach , apples, etc.

@Aleesha It was suggested that I eat by 2 people in my post dated 11/4/2010 "Help-Green Smoothies fast gone bad".

Thanks everyone.

[sport]

We are all human and opinions vary. One thing that you can be sure of is our best intentions for you.

[Seductive Arts]

Ok.. well first off I have some weird type of, i don't even know what it is.

But what seems to happen is my body just doesn't.. accept foods, or vitamins. It's kind of hard to explain. But for example.. things that should be good for me, cause stress on my body/ mind.

Like.. if I take something that is good for me, for example I bought magnesium because it is good for you, and I don't think I was getting enough in my diet.

Anyways pretty much what happens (mostly with any supplement/vitamin/minderal) is I just feel so bad. I feel like a bus hit me.. mentally. I suddenly have little mental energy, I feel tired but I can't sleep, I feel just... really weird. I don't understand it... because it's like, ok this is suppose to be good for me, so why am I reacting to it so negatively?

And.. idk, I haven't tried going raw yet. I mean, I tried it, but just for a few days, Because.. what seems to happen is, my body is under stress which causes other things to go wrong... Like having stress plus high sugar from fruits, causes me to feel very bad.

I'm not sure if I should just take the plunge and just keep eating raw for a long time.. or if maybe I should do like some sort of vegetable diet for a few days, and then start eating fruits, or if I should just stay on this "candida diet" which is like low sugar, which has been helping I feel.. but not really that much. I don't think I have candida, I think I have a leaky gut..

I know I have inflammation though, and I think badly. Like the way I tell is if I scratch myself, or even sometimes just touch part of my body, it will swell up.

ya.. what should I do? Or how should I go about going raw if I do?


Not all multi-vitamins are a like. Many are made from ingredients that you could be allergic to. The health food store, or Whole Foods sells multi-vitamins that won't affect certain people's allergies.

I have heard that some people have bad reactions to certain commercial vitamins so they buy "natural" vitamins. Sometimes, some brands of multi-vitamins make me feel sick and nauseous, too. Like I just swallowed a poison like lead.

I bought some pre-natal multi-vitamins, even though I am not pregnant, that said that they were gentle on the stomach and 100% natural and I haven't had any sick symptoms yet.

The brand I use is Rainbow Light Just 1 Once Naturals. Maybe they have a non-prenatal multi-vitamin as well.

[Seductive Arts]

You could mono diet,you know just stay on natural foods only.
you are gonna get some detox side effects with whatever you do,
but you will get massive energy with natural foods.

I personally don't take any supplements,I believe everything I need I get from my food,that belief is formed from experience.

hope you feel better soon.

Actually, I watched a video, you can get from Netflix, called Food Matters. Vitamins are recommended for everybody, regardless what diet they are on, because a nutritionists said that many people are not getting enough in their diet and here is why.

Food is picked from the farm. Many farms plant the same food over and over each year. That depletes certain minerals in the soil. So a farmer who grows blueberries every year on the same spot, he depletes the soil, because agriculture is controlled food sourcing versus buying food in the wild you will have several different plants growing in the same area, where each plant, let's say blueberries, carrots, spinach growing together use up and puts back different nutrients in the soil.

So basically, agriculture itself makes foods lose their nutritional content.

Now, after food is picked from the soil, many of your fruits and vegetables have been traveling in a truck for 5 to 7 days because the carrot farm is in California and the truck drive has to drive from California to bring you food to New York. About time they get to your local store, the nutrition value of your food has depleted about 40% since it is not that fresh.

And lord knows, how long the food has been sitting in the store before you bought it, so there is more depletion of nutrients.

Then add how long food sits up in your refridgerator before you eat it. I know this is a raw food board, but if you cook your foods, you kill the little nutrients you already have.


Therefore, technically your food isn't really nutrient rich at all. The only true nutrient rich food is food picked off the farm and eaten immediately on the same day. The second is frozen fruits and vegetables because the food is picked and frozen after a day or two after being harvested.

All of your fresh produce in the store is far from being fresh and is nutrient depleted.

That is why multi-vitamins are needed more than ever now, because our agricultural system is not so great. That is why scientist are trying hard to create bio-engineered foods, because they all know that for a farmers keep growing a particular food on the same land for decades, the food is grown from crappy soil.

The only true nutritious foods are wild, or you are lucky enough to live by a farm where you can get your food extremely fresh by going to a real farmer's market. However, I doubt that many farmer markets can prove to you that their food is fresh either. If your farmer's market is on Sunday, how do you know that the farmer didn't pick his apples on Monday, November 8th and didn't sell you 7 day old apples on Sunday, November 14th.

[mycatislove]

that sounds like a good idear, I should try that

Hi

I am also in CA, southern. What part of CA are you from?

Yeah I am also having some strange stuff like what you describe. Actually going to have some tests done next week. I am pretty I have leaky gut/candida.

Hang in there

[mycatislove]

Actually, I watched a video, you can get from Netflix, called Food Matters. Vitamins are recommended for everybody, regardless what diet they are on, because a nutritionists said that many people are not getting enough in their diet and here is why.

Food is picked from the farm. Many farms plant the same food over and over each year. That depletes certain minerals in the soil. So a farmer who grows blueberries every year on the same spot, he depletes the soil, because agriculture is controlled food sourcing versus buying food in the wild you will have several different plants growing in the same area, where each plant, let's say blueberries, carrots, spinach growing together use up and puts back different nutrients in the soil.

So basically, agriculture itself makes foods lose their nutritional content.

Now, after food is picked from the soil, many of your fruits and vegetables have been traveling in a truck for 5 to 7 days because the carrot farm is in California and the truck drive has to drive from California to bring you food to New York. About time they get to your local store, the nutrition value of your food has depleted about 40% since it is not that fresh.

And lord knows, how long the food has been sitting in the store before you bought it, so there is more depletion of nutrients.

Then add how long food sits up in your refridgerator before you eat it. I know this is a raw food board, but if you cook your foods, you kill the little nutrients you already have.


Therefore, technically your food isn't really nutrient rich at all. The only true nutrient rich food is food picked off the farm and eaten immediately on the same day. The second is frozen fruits and vegetables because the food is picked and frozen after a day or two after being harvested.

All of your fresh produce in the store is far from being fresh and is nutrient depleted.

That is why multi-vitamins are needed more than ever now, because our agricultural system is not so great. That is why scientist are trying hard to create bio-engineered foods, because they all know that for a farmers keep growing a particular food on the same land for decades, the food is grown from crappy soil.

The only true nutritious foods are wild, or you are lucky enough to live by a farm where you can get your food extremely fresh by going to a real farmer's market. However, I doubt that many farmer markets can prove to you that their food is fresh either. If your farmer's market is on Sunday, how do you know that the farmer didn't pick his apples on Monday, November 8th and didn't sell you 7 day old apples on Sunday, November 14th.

Very interesting, indeed!

The whole crazy devolution of our own food...Kinda reminds me a little of the old sci-fi movies like Soylent green, et el.

Thanks for the share. Gonna check this movie out soon.

[renerdrat]

I'm from around temecula area.

And.. if you knew how I felt and reacted to vitamins, you wouldn't be taking them either. I don't know why I react the way I do.. but I do.

Not only vitamins will I react to but anything that is potent. Like beets.. or if I eat a large amount of kale, and celery and collard greens make my throat super itchy. Think maybe a large amount at one time my body just doesn't absorb it correctly and then my immune system attacks it? That's my theory anyways.

And I react super bad to anything artificial.

[renerdrat]

@Renerdrat I was drinking at least 2 quarts of green smoothies made from organic collards, spinach , apples, etc.

@Aleesha It was suggested that I eat by 2 people in my post dated 11/4/2010 "Help-Green Smoothies fast gone bad".

Thanks everyone.

oh dang. Maybe because it was so many different things in one shake? I know I don't react as much if I just eat it like it's meant to be taken.

It seems like the more natural something is, the easier my body takes it in and doesn't react negatively.

[mycatislove]

I'm from around temecula area.

And.. if you knew how I felt and reacted to vitamins, you wouldn't be taking them either. I don't know why I react the way I do.. but I do.

Not only vitamins will I react to but anything that is potent. Like beets.. or if I eat a large amount of kale, and celery and collard greens make my throat super itchy. Think maybe a large amount at one time my body just doesn't absorb it correctly and then my immune system attacks it? That's my theory anyways.

And I react super bad to anything artificial.

Very interesting. I'm not sure how my body reacts to certain natural foods. Not yet anyway. But often vitimans don't sit well.

Your theory is interesting. Go with your gut feeling. I think a lot of times our instinct leads us well.

I'm actually going to have some tests done by a hybrid doctor MD who practices natural holistic medcine. I already know I have leaky gut/candida, but I want it confirmed cause thats going to make me feel good. I'm going to ask her about your theory. It makes TOTAL sense if in fact you do have LGS.

Of course, we gotta keep openminded to the answers in case its something we can't yet intuit out.

Temecula? just drove through there a few months ago. I'm in Tustin OC.

[renerdrat]

that's cool, OC is nice.

Oh tell me how the tests go!

[james1233]

Well, this is not a contradiction. When fast, fast, but you always have enough calories and nutrients. When not fasting sure you get enough calories. The lack of calories that lead to irritability.

[EscapeArtist]

make sure that you're not sensitive to something in the supplements. Maybe in the casing

I can't handle a lot of sugar either. I've discovered that I have fructose malabsorption, I get aches, burning in the stomach, and fatigue from any sugar. I can't even handle an apple. I would keep your vegetable intake high, eat a bit of fat but not too much, try to get adequate calories out of it but don't stress calories too much at first. I'd say try a veggie based diet and see how it makes you feel over a short period.

[renerdrat]

make sure that you're not sensitive to something in the supplements. Maybe in the casing

I can't handle a lot of sugar either. I've discovered that I have fructose malabsorption, I get aches, burning in the stomach, and fatigue from any sugar. I can't even handle an apple. I would keep your vegetable intake high, eat a bit of fat but not too much, try to get adequate calories out of it but don't stress calories too much at first. I'd say try a veggie based diet and see how it makes you feel over a short period.

ya many times I will just empty the contents into water, so I know it's not the casing. I notice that when not eating gluten... I hardly ever get seriously hungry. Ever since I cut out gluten I have never had serious hunger pangs.

It's so weird because before I use to always just think.. oh I have a fast metabolism and that's what everyone would tell me too when I'd tell them I was SUPER hungry.

Now I realize what most people feel like through out the day, moderately hungry when it's meal time,
and not starving, even get shaky from low blood sugar.

But yeah.. okay well today I tried going raw again. I felt like I was doing okay, until I ate a mango. I'm totally gonna stay away from high sugar and high glycemic fruits.

Because up until I ate the mango I was feeling pretty good.