View Full Version : Switching to raw.. with candidas?
10-16-2010, 10:59 PM
I have been following the anti candida diet or whatever and was eating mainly fats and grains for carbs. But recently I've been reading a lot that the real problem is eating too much fat because it causes sugar to linger in the blood, and then that's when the candida kicks in and eats it up.
Well anyways.. I tried switching to eating fruits and veggies and eating pretty much a raw diet.. I have been eating some rice and chicken though, don't know if that could be why I'm feelin worse? But I mainly start to feel worse after eating high sugar fruits like bananas and stuff. Should I wait a certain amount of time between transitioning to low fat high fruits? I waited like a few days between switching... but I'm thinking maybe that wasn't enough? Should I wait a certain amount of time between transitioning from eating high fat to low fat high fruit diet? and maybe just eating stuff like rice for my carbs for a few days in between the transition? I hope this all makes sense..
I did feel like I was starting to feel better.. I was eating really healthy on the anti candida diet, I would eat probably a little to much nuts and other fats though. But things like my acne seemed to start clearing up, I wasn't having any yeast flare ups, I didn't feel as spacey.. But then I decided to go raw, and ohh.. messed me up. Almost instantly my acne came back, yeast flare up, feeling spacey.
I'm just confused now cuz.. raw diet makes total sense. But I'm not sure if I should keep going on the traditional anti candida diet, and when I start to feel a lot better then switch to raw? Or should I maybe take a long break (a week?) from both fats and fruits and eat primarily vegetables, and then start eating fruits?
Oh and one last thing.. what are some good probiotics? I heard threelac is really good, but have heard some bad things about it too. Is there a probiotic that you've used that worked really well? I'm using one right now, and I can definitely tell a difference, but I want something more efficient.
Thank you so much anyone who answers =)
10-17-2010, 08:22 AM
I was able to heal candida with 100% raw, using agave as a substitute sweetener, and not overly eating sweet fruits like dates & others though I did have them. I didn't really limit myself though. I just ate whatever is raw and organic. I did eat a lot more fat and less fruit just because I love savory foods more. Once I was raw for awhile is when I cut back the fat and had much more fruit. Raw is so much easier than the candida diet.
Having dealt with candida my whole life and trying practically every probiotic, I have found Garden Of Life Primal Defense Ultra Probiotics to be the most effective. You can start out with the original one if you choose. Just make sure it's a good quality, non-dairy, organic formula. I don't recommend threelac or fivelac-they add extra unhealthy ingredients to it & it's not very strong from what I can tell (I used threelac awhile ago). There's better options.
10-17-2010, 06:36 PM
Awesome! Thanks for replying =). Ok I was hoping someone could shed some light on this whole threelac thing. Can I pick this other probiotic up at like henrys? Or where do I get it?
And did you feel any worse when you first switched to raw? Or how did you transition?
10-19-2010, 09:59 PM
any other suggestions?
10-20-2010, 03:14 AM
You can buy the probiotics at any health store, though it's usually more expensive than online. Unless you have a good discount store nearby.
If you're having some trouble, it may be good to gradually become raw. I tried a variety of diets before that, then I was forced to fast for a few days, then was very high raw. So for me I felt better. It's better if the foods that are raw are at least healthy vegetarian if possible. Grains like rice can be hard to digest for many. Dairy, red meat and processed sugar should definitely be eliminated. Honey can act like sugar does, which is why raw agave worked for me. Really just pay attention to your body. If you feel certain fruits are bothering you, don't eat them right now. I felt mine was more a fruit/sugar issue than fat so it is possible. It's easier to detect what doesn't truly work when you're as raw as possible because sometimes the food that isn't can throw everything off. Also once you're on the probiotics for a few weeks, that should help everything too. Make sure to take high doses of them for a couple of months.
10-20-2010, 07:26 PM
Garden of Life is great brand! Jordan Rubin cured Crohn's, so I trust him when it comes to producing something that works! I would be interested in a link on that anti-Candida diet if someone has it... Thanks! I am "Candida-positive" as well.
10-21-2010, 12:33 AM
ooh k thanks.
Yeah, I think you're really rigght about the whole listenin to your body. I never seem to have problems with eating rice and buckwheat. I can eat some fruits and be fine too. Most meat doesn't seem to go well with me. I mean, I'll digest it ok... but I just feel really weird after wards.
I think I'll just keep doing what I was doing cuz I was feeling better. I'll try to incorporate more raw foods though. And definitely pick up the probiotic you suggested.
10-21-2010, 12:35 AM
oh I just went to this site for anti candida
But it's not raw foods based.
10-21-2010, 01:42 AM
Speaking of which, sodium bicarbonate (I.E. baking soda!) is extremely alkalizing, and known for killing mold! They make you drink a teaspoonful in the navy with a glass of water...
Good start to killing fungus, tip I'm applying right now, tell you the results in about six months!
Fats? I would start narrowing them down, but they do slow down the detox process, so if you feel dizzy, you're detoxing too fast, add an avadaco or two a day. Then start removing them as you detox. Slow and gradual is a better detox than ALL OF A SUDDEN and toxifying your blood stream with all the toxic gunk that has to come out! You are feeling worse because you're detoxing! You'll feel better eventually, but years of cooked takes its toll!
10-30-2010, 07:53 PM
I've never had any detox symptoms. I think my immune system is strong. I recently tried adding more fats into my diet and now I'm starting to feel constipated...
Not sure if it's necessarily from fats though.
But I think I'll try the baking soda thing, that's interesting.
10-31-2010, 12:33 AM
I looked at the link you posted to the Candida diet. It is basically the same as Gabriel Cousen's Rainbow Green diet (without the animal products, and grains must be the non-stored type and sprouted). I've been doing only those foods listed for 3 weeks now. It takes a little doing to be creative enough not to go crazy with boredom, but it can be done. I've been eating a lot of fats and vegetables, no fruits at all. I visual the candida starving to death without sugar.
I feel better than I have for a long time.
I thought high fat was also bad..
High fat increases insulin resistance so that the candida can feed on any carbs broken down.
So... what about the fact that you may also be starving your good bacteria?
10-31-2010, 06:38 PM
There is so much contradictory information out there. You can find support for almost anything, and also find some "expert" declaring it is harmful.
I've tried many different types of raw diets and still continue to experiment. The diet I'm currently on is supposed to be for 3 months, then I can add in some berries and other low glycemic fruits and continue on for another 3 months before adding back in some more fruits. You can check it out in Gabriel Cousen's book Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine. Cousen's is a Doctor and raw foodist. He is listed in the reference section of Alissa's book "Living on Live Foods".
Perhaps high fat is most detrimental when you are also consuming high carbs. My current experiment seems to be working for me. Time will tell. :)
I'm taking very hardy strains of probiotic (Dr. Ohhira's) to repopulate the good bacteria.
It's really sad there's so much contradictory information. There needs to be more research. We need a grand experiment where people try different diets to get to the bottom of it, and see which is best for candidas, which is best.
ALL THESE FARKIN DIETS.
Yes, well about the high fat deal.. I don't particularly like fatty foods in the first place. Not too much anyway. It slows down digestion and it makes me feel lethargic since it takes a long time to digest.. it's hard to do exercise when I've got fats digesting.
At least the type of exercise I do. When you exercise you need the blood to go to the body parts being worked, not to stay in the stomach. It takes like at least 3-4 hrs to digest fats. So yea.. I try to stay away from fats since it slows me down.
10-31-2010, 08:46 PM
Just be 100% raw with probiotics, without overdoing sweet fruit or fats and that's it. Way easier than any candida diet. You shouldn't be overdoing any one food anyhow. I mainly considered dried fruit the only thing not to have too much of and I didn't restrict fats. I definitely don't recommend no fruits at all. The standard candida diet doesn't apply when one is raw.
11-04-2010, 04:59 PM
Now that I've learned about candida, I think I may just have some other type of bacterial overgrowth. I mean.. why is it always candida? There are other bad bacteria out there.
Because I've tried just going totally raw with eating fruits and I felt worse, so I just have decided to stick with eating low refined sugars.. but i still add in fruits like green apples and some berries, and raisins in my salads, oh and cranberries. But.. that's it.
I've felt better, and I'm gonna try to keep going more raw. Maybe cut more grains or meats out.
Oh is toffu ok to eat? I love the texture of it, and it's cool that it's a complete protein.
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