Whey Protein Isolate ?

[neurosport]

I am looking into going raw and so far i have eliminated meat, milk, cheese and eggs from my diet.

But i have been using whey protein for the last 10 years or so as a post workout shake and i really can't think of any reasons to stop using it now.

I don't know if you could call it raw but its certainly uncooked. The one i am using:

http://www.diy-av.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=463

Is also undenatured ( unlike Ion-Exchange isolate ).

I don't consider it a dairy product because it has no lactose as well as no animal fat. It has only a trace amount of cholesterol.

I know the various proteins contained in whey have health benefits for the immune system etc.

But more importantly i want to keep my power as i am losing weight.

What do you think ?

[Revvell]

I don't use stuff like that. At one time whey was considered a waste product, then it was found they could package it and make money on it and, it seems they do! What great marketing!

I know MANY athletes who thrive on raw and/or vegan without the use of waste products.

That's what I think.

btw ~ you may want to believe it's uncooked yet, the processing it goes through ~ just the name "isolate" tells you it's far from being a whole food and that's much of what eating raw vegan is about ~ eating whole, organic, natural raw food. It is definitely "denatured". Nothing natural about an isolated powder.

[Rick2009]

Brendan Brazier is an ultra marathon and triathlon athlete. His diet is all plant-based. He advocates veg based protein including hemp. Hemp protein is nutrient dense: lots of minerals and other important factors.

I never use it in a blender tho. I could be wrong, however, I prefer not to risk damaging this high quality raw protein. I add it to blended fruits before a workout. To my knowledge, it has no equal as a pre-workout drink. Better performance and faster recovery.

[neurosport]

Well i am not really looking for a physique of a marathon runner.

I have 17" arms now but i need to lose a lot of fat and i know i will lose some muscle in the process. That said i don't want arms smaller than 16".

I know whey protein works very well to build muscle. I have used it to gain lean muscle at a rate of 1 pound per day when on a certain hormonal supplement. I was using about 300 grams of whey protein per day then so about 1/3 of it was getting assimilated into muscle.

Now this hemp thing - is it as good ? Are there any studies on its effectiveness for building muscle ?

[Revvell]

Seems you're not into health as much as building muscle, correct? Hormonal supplements? :confused:


Well i am not really looking for a physique of a marathon runner.

I have 17" arms now but i need to lose a lot of fat and i know i will lose some muscle in the process. That said i don't want arms smaller than 16".

I know whey protein works very well to build muscle. I have used it to gain lean muscle at a rate of 1 pound per day when on a certain hormonal supplement. I was using about 300 grams of whey protein per day then so about 1/3 of it was getting assimilated into muscle.

Now this hemp thing - is it as good ? Are there any studies on its effectiveness for building muscle ?

[neurosport]

I don't use stuff like that. At one time whey was considered a waste product, then it was found they could package it and make money on it and, it seems they do! What great marketing!

I know MANY athletes who thrive on raw and/or vegan without the use of waste products.

aw come on. waste product. calling products names is propaganda not argumentation.

natural gas was considered a waste product of oil production as well - so? does that mean we shouldn't use it? :rolleyes:



btw ~ you may want to believe it's uncooked yet, the processing it goes through ~ just the name "isolate" tells you it's far from being a whole food and that's much of what eating raw vegan is about ~ eating whole, organic, natural raw food. It is definitely "denatured". Nothing natural about an isolated powder.

what they mean by denatured is that it contains most of the proteins found in milk in the same form. this term is meant to differentiate this protein from ion-exchange protein which apparently doesn't preserve the proteins as whole.

[neurosport]

Seems you're not into health as much as building muscle, correct? Hormonal supplements? :confused:

no i WAS into building muscle. now i am into health. that doesn't mean that i want to flush whatever muscle i have left from my id1ot days down the drain.

basically at some point i realized that money is more important than biceps. and then i realized that to make money i need energy. and then i realized that to have energy i need to be healthy.

that doesn't mean that i don't like muscle any more. just that my priorities have changed.

i still go to gym but whey protein is the only performance supplement i take these days. i used to take a lot of stuff ...

[Revvell]

Thank you for the explanation. In my experience/observation one will lose the fat between muscle when eating raw at first, then, more aligned, beautiful muscle will grow and be maintained.

I've never used any supplements when I was bodybuilding. At first, as a meat-eater, I had bulk with underlying muscle. Then I went vegetarian and stopped the 3 egg omelettes with everything in them and my muscle became refined where people were asking me to partner with them in contests. Never wanted to work that hard.

And, to respond to your other message ~ you don't eat gas and I'm not arguing. Stating what is.

The proteins found in milk are almost useless to the body compared to the amino acids found in greens and other raw foods. The "proteins as a whole" need to be broken down to be utilized by the body whereas the amino acids in plants are bio-available.

Suggestion ~ look up Tim VanOrden on YouTube. Just came in second in a tower climb. Check his "Protein Myth" vid.

Enjoy!


no i WAS into building muscle. now i am into health. that doesn't mean that i want to flush whatever muscle i have left from my id1ot days down the drain.

basically at some point i realized that money is more important than biceps. and then i realized that to make money i need energy. and then i realized that to have energy i need to be healthy.

that doesn't mean that i don't like muscle any more. just that my priorities have changed.

i still go to gym but whey protein is the only performance supplement i take these days. i used to take a lot of stuff ...

[Rick2009]

There are those who practice the sport of bodybuilding who are vegan..100% plant based.

I have been working out all of my adult life, however, I wouldn't trade additional muscle for my health and energy. Gabe Cousens MD (all plant based nutrition) was seen doing 600 pushups at 60 years old. The world champion for obstacle course is a vegan woman. She is referred to as the "Bionic Woman". There are numerous examples of how plant based nutrition is the basis of mental and physical energy.

The major hemp suppliers have the nutritional profile of their products listed.

[SevenKindsOfCookie]

The way I see it, there's body building and there's muscle building. Body building is about the aesthetics, shaping muscles to look a certain way, while muscle building is more about building strong lean muscles.

A larger muscle is not always a stronger muscle. I've seen very skinny guys match or even outperform those with large muscles in terms of both strength and endurance.
So you need to figure out what's more important. Looking strong or just being strong.

I personally think that isolated substances should be avoided except it rare cases. Eating only whole foods seems to help the body to keep itself in balance.
I get most of my high quality protein from leafy greens, hemp- and chia seeds. With an emphasis on the greens. I highly recommend those sources.

If you still want to use protein powders, I'd say that good quality hemp protein resonates a bit better with the raw food diet than what whey protein does. But I think that you will do fine without any of them though.

[sport]

http://www.archive.org/details/OrganicAthlete_2005_09_24j_Charlie_Abel

[VeganMainstream]

Neuro... just be careful about whey protein's effect on your body's organs. Processing 300 grams of protein really puts a toll on the liver and kidneys.

Look into hemp :)

[Rick2009]

Look into hemp :)

Hemp is nutritional excellence. It contains all of the essential fatty acids we need to survive, plus its a powerhouse of minerals and contains a very easy to assimilate protein. If I were allowed one food on a desert island.....

[neurosport]

Neuro... just be careful about whey protein's effect on your body's organs. Processing 300 grams of protein really puts a toll on the liver and kidneys.

I know. I once went up to 400 grams a day on whey but i had so much gas from that that it got in the way of my workouts. After about 2 weeks i went down to about 200 grams a day and that's what i been using most of these years.

200 is what's recommended for bodybuilders but since i am not a bodybuilder now i am trying to get it down closer to 100. It's pretty hard though because you can literally consume 100 grams of whey protein in one shake.

[neurosport]

Guys i appreciate your input. I will probably go with 50/50 balance between whey and hemp protein. I won't discontinue whey because its such a proven product in the bodybuilding industry but hemp protein also sounds good.

By the way isn't Hemp illegal ? How do they produce it ? Also are there any cannabinols in it ? I know hemp is not the same as Marijuana but still ?

[SevenKindsOfCookie]

By the way isn't Hemp illegal ? How do they produce it ? Also are there any cannabinols in it ? I know hemp is not the same as Marijuana but still ?

Industrial hemp (Sativa) contains very little THC, not anywhere near enough to affect a person, unless you eat a whole field of it. :D So no need to worry about that.