My butt has fallen off -be warned, possibly too gross

[plucked]

Ow. Ok, here's what happened. I went on trip with my hubby yesterday to go for a hike. Really rad trip! On the way back home we stopped and picked up some elk jerky. I had wanted to try elk (im not obviously strictly vegan, but maybe 99% so). When I saw all the additives; liquid smoke, sugar, blah, balh, I didn't want to get it anymore, but my husband still wanted to try it. I had a few small pieces and found it soooo salty and overally spiced, I still have no idea what elk actually tastes like.

By the time I got home- about an hour, I was having stomach pains. And then soon after, I had my first bout with diahrea. Then a second. Then, after finally passing out, I started to wake up around 1 am, and then every half hour after. I had no idea there was that much water in me to dispel! I believe I made about 20 urgent trips to the bathroom.

I still feel sensitive, and weak. Drinking lots of fluid. My husband gave me some of his astragulus, burdock, turmeric rice (my budding herbalist!). I dont usually eat grains ever, but I looked at it like medicine, and thats one thing I know helps at times like these. I also ate pumpkin seeds, had some quinoa with turmeric, and a few small smoothies with spirulina and acidophilus. Been craving sweet tonight.

I am so out of it. Just glad the gripping/cramping in my gut has ceased for the most part. Trying to do laundry, clean, and ontop of it all, I want to excercise but just feel so bloated and crappy (literally :rolleyes: ).

My advice, if you are going to eat meat, don't buy any with additives. My husband by the way didn't get sick, although he did clear out alot today, lots of bm's but formed.

I had wondered if I dehydrated my flax crackers wrong a couple days ago, and then the elk-of-death pushed me over the edge.

ow.

:(

[plucked]

today I was awfully sick again, but got increasingly better throughout the day. Was able to get some excercise in, and feel alot better, but can still feel weird stirrings in there.

Ugh.

[Jimmy Bear]

It's called "Elk's Revenge" . Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[plucked]

yep, the elk bit back for sure! Much better today thank gawd!

[sport]

"I still have no idea what elk actually tastes like."

As a vegan may I say that I find this statement offensive. I know that we are not supposed to be critical here but I can't help it. I know that you are trying to be vegan and I praise you for it but why anyone would feel the need to know what a fellow creature tasts like is something that I can not understand. Sorry but I cant keep myself from saying this.

[plucked]

"As a vegan may I say that I find this statement offensive"

Actually, I am not trying to be vegan, I am most often vegan; I don't do dairy, but I eat fish occasionally, and then this instance I tried a little elk. If I ease into an all raw vegan diet, that would be cool, but Im at where Im at, and Im not apologetic.

I was a vegan for 8 years, and I am in a different place in life now.

Sorry you are offended, but to me that seems really petty. I didnt slay the elk, I took a couple bites out of a package. You seem to be offended by my personal choice. THAT i have never understood, like anti-choice folks.

[sport]

I know and I am sorry and I did not want to be offensive but I am so in to my own ways that when I here something like this I wonder if I am living on the same planet as everybody else. I realise that I am the one swaying away from the norm but I was a little taken aback. My husband eats meat but I am used to his attitude to it being "this is something that I eat because I need to eat something and this is the easiest". He would never wonder what another creature tasted like or would cow taste better with a different sauce so I was a little surprised to read your thoughts especially here. I have to say that I still experience an element of surprise to see someone eating meat and have to remind myself that this goes on. Maybe I need a long dose of reality.

[ReneeSC]

Well, to make Plucked feel better... ( or not alone )

Last Friday I was at the weekly banquet again ( I'd skipped a week ), and I'd still not felt comfortable going there bringing my own things. My husband said we would not. ( he's not on a raw challenge like me, but I didn't want to argue about it ). So, I ate the plate of Chinese food the Chinese church made for 120 people.

For FOUR days I was sick. I was a true lover of non-MSG Chinese food. But I cannot eat that sort of thing anymore and expect not to be in excruciating pain ....or.. as you put it, Plucked, having your backside slide off. Twenty-Four-Seven I was in the bathroom.

So, since today is ANOTHER banquet day, I'm bringing MY OWN FOOD. :)
I have to now.

As a consequence of eating two wonderfully and lovingly prepared meals unbeknownst to the chefs that they had people in there that couldn't eat that sort of thing ( she writes trying not to impune the cooks ! )....
I have to extend my Challenge another 3 days.
Awwww.. ( laughs! )

After this one is over - I've decided to go another round. :) This time I much more confidence, knowlege, and resolve.

Besides.. while my backside did the landslide.. so did my belly!

[plucked]

Isn't wild renee? How, in your case, being 100% raw for awhile can make your body unable to deal with the crap thats been added to food?! I know it was the stuff added to the jerky that made me dependent on the bathroom for 3 days. Even in the midst of being so ill, I thought it was cool that my body was showing signs of intollerance -who should need to be able to eat that crap?

I had also wondered if my first dehydrating experiment had gone awry, and that may have set my stomach a little off to begin with, and then dehydrated meat with some f'd up additves just set me over the edge.

Im scared to use my dehydrator again, and will probably hold off til i can get a thermometer to stick in there, just in case.

I wish I could say my belly went with it! Lucky!

[Rawkinlocs]

Plucked, I'm sorry you had to experience that. I guess we all have our moments of eating things we ought not and then paying for it... DEARLY!! But glad you're feeling better.

I just wanted to say though, that I'd like this thread to not turn into a vegan vs. non-vegan thing nor a "meat-justification" type of thread because while we realize that not everyone here is vegan or trying to become vegan, this is a raw-vegan board and for the support of that.

So let's all just be mindful of that fact.

Thanks!

But back to your experience Plucked...you mentioned that your husband didn't get sick...is he raw (for the most part)? We all react to things different and sometimes not all at the same time. I know that if my daughter eats junk, she feels it right away whereas my son, he never complains of feeling badly after eating junk. So, this kinda makes him feel like he can eat anything he wants and not be affected...but then I remind him to look at his face breaking out or his skin getting an eczema-type rash on it! Then he gives me this "look"!

Your body probably reacted so violently due to having been raw up to that point (?) but then I still don't know what hubby's diet is like.

[plucked]

Hey Rawkinlocs, thanks, that is totally not were I wanted to go with this. I said my peace, I hate confrontation so I bow to Sport and her ability to let it go. If anything I thought it was a post that PROMOTED eating vegan. Learn from me homies! :D

[Sharon in Colorado]

I think the reason for all that water loss is the saying "the solution to pollution is dilution" where your body dumped tons of water into your colon to dilute the bacteria. Same thing happens when people eat salt or other excitotoxins, water collects in certain areas to protect us from the substance.

Also, if you ate the elk a few hours before the diarrhea episode, I'm not sure it was the elk that caused it, since it takes at least 12 hours for it to get into your bowels. Although perhaps the elk irritated it, or something. But usually vomiting occurs first, when the substance of irritation is in the stomach. However if your body was acting on the whole, it could be like a Montezumas revenge type thing, where it causes you to expel from both ends so you clear out anything coming its way.

[ReneeSC]

Yeah, Plucked, I really think I had that severe reaction because I'd already detoxed most of that stuff...and when I put it back in.. my body started going into intervention.
It was terrible. I was SO glad when it was over. But, ya know, in a way I count it as a good learning process because I now KNOW this stuff WAS the poison that was killing me. There's no doubt now.

I'm sorry it took me doing that to get to that point of realization, but.. ya know...... sometimes.. I guess we have to do strange things to see the truth.

To HEAL myself of that intervention, I ate enormous green salads like they were going out of style..and hike/trailing harder hoping to finish up the process. It still took me 4 days.

Have you experimented with making RAWR-KY ?? I know you said you're afraid of the dehydrator, but I've had no trouble with making spicy eggplant bacon on high for a few hours to get the warmth going..and then turning it waaaaay back down for the rest of the time.

If you like chewy things, maybe you'd like to try that if you've no already. My last round was caliente hot, but I would love to try the sweeter sort.

[Lea_t_singer]

Elk-of-death made me laugh :p

[sport]

"Why do people insist on eating crazy things.
I can understand chicken and beef (if organic)"

I cant. The cow and the chicken do not know if they are organic or not and feel the pain either way.

[Rawkinlocs]

My question was gonna be, what makes eating snake or gator or anything else anymore "crazy" than eating any other animal. In many cultures (and other states apparently) they eat things most would think are "crazy" but they're still animals either way you slice (and eat) it. To some it would be considered just as strange, nasty, gross, weird, etc. to eat (even organic) beef and chicken as it would any other "not-so-commonly-eaten" animals.

[delray71]

hello,
i can't help but notice you speaking of eggplant bacon. i have not seen this in the recipes yet. maybe it is an oversight. can you help me with this recipe.

[Rawkinlocs]

Here ya go: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6406&highlight=eggplant

[sport]

"What do you say to people who say God or Allah said we can eat certain meat?

(I dont eat meat but I still cook it for my family.) My husband says that Allah gives him rights to eat beef, chicken, certain fish.) (I have quranic and biblical verses)
If you have a rebutle tell me because I want him to cut back on meat."

No I have no rebuttal because I know that the use of logic will not counteract religon. I do not have any God that I can blame for my actions. I have to stand up and take responsibility for everything that I do. I know it would be easier if I could blame some of my failures on God but I do not have that luxury.
My husband eats meat as well so I am in the same boat as you but he does not even have the good grace to blame anyone but himself. He is a terific guy and I would not swop him for anybody so dont think that I am being critical of him but as I said before his attitude to it is very practical and very basic. I think that if he could get it in tablet form he would and he never talks about it as something pleasent or to be savoured. I have learned to tolerate his attitude but cringe when I hear it discussed as "one of the great joys of life".
I know that I am narrow minded and do not mean to offend anyone that eats meat and I do consider myself to be abnormal in this regard but what the heck, I am perfect in every other way ha ha