Feeling very unwelcomed

[borealtransition]

My initial post was already deleted. I guess it presented a negative experience from eating a high raw diet.

We should be open to sharing and learning from all experiences as not a lot is known about the effects of living on a high raw diet.

All I can say to any other members who may get a chance to read this is question everything, never stop researching and don't believe that health issues resulting from eating a high raw diet are simply detox symptoms.

Question everything!

[Emma Jane]

Hey Boreal :)

I didn't see your initial post, but I'm sorry you felt unwelcome! :( You're very welcome as far as I'm concerned :D

XxXxX

[Mad Mex]

I have a slight undestanding, why your initial post was deleted.

You expirienced something bad with your health and now you are looking for someone or something to blame, but you alone are not the benchmark.

Thousands of people are happy, healthy, glowing and satisfied with the rawfood-diet, maybe you are the only exception of those peoples.

I think, your feeling of not beeing welcomed comes from the tone, first post, first comment is a bashing on rawfood, how would you feel, if we come to your house and we start critizing everything from the beginning, that would not be nice, ever heard of something called netiquette?

I agree with you, that researching is one of the most important things, if you are a rawfoodist, but also respect for others.

Lets start all over again and we can start a constructive conversation about you, your expiriences and rawfood.

saludos,

Marcel :cool:

[Revvell]

I agree with Marcel, as I usually do. He makes sense.

Yes, you came here and immediately bashed your experiences blaming raw food (which you've only been doing for a mere 6 months) for your health issues. As another said on your thread (I think it was), in 6 months time, probably eating raw was not your issue. It was your health in general. Eating more raw brought stuff to the surface that needed examining which is a good thing.

Anyway, if you'll read the mission statement and "Rules for Posting", you may find that this board is in support of those wanting to eat raw. You're post wasn't in question of "how can this happen"? What's this about? It was about "raw food caused this". Well, it didn't cause the issues, imo, it just brought them to light so they could be dealt with ~ which is a good thing.

[Aleesha Sattva]

I'm so sorry your first post was deleted. I was the one who did it and it was for the reasons others have already stated. That doesn't mean that you are in any way unwelcome though.

Please read, post, share... let us get to know you!

[Tuaoi]

I think we should question as well. In all things that do not feel right or seem right within. Advice is always given but does not necessarily have to be taken, if it does not feel right. I believe the answer to why something does not feel right lies within each one of us and I feel that we all hold the answers or already know the answers to what we question already, just sometimes we might need triggers that help us find the answers :)

[Rawcstacy]

on the road to healing, as was was suggested by Revvell. You mustn't give up so easily, which is what most folks do when they run into difficulty, instead welcome them. Yes I know that sounds tough when you're heaving over the toilet bowl. I didn't always see immediate improvements. Assuming you follow instructions, eventually you will succeed.

[sport]

I agree with you that we should question but we are primarily here to support each other and especially beginners.
If there is anything we can do to support you we will be here for you.

[freshlight]

you ARE welcome! :) I'm looking forward to learning more from you,- take care and see you soon!

[borealtransition]

Thanks for all of the other supportive and non-judgmental responses. I appreciate the comments from people with open hearts and minds and it has somewhat restored my faith in the raw food community.

Marcel:

Sorry I didn't realize I was in someone's house. I thought this was a public forum. I have had the experience of someone criticizing everything about me upon first meeting me and it is disconcerting. But I only get defensive if I am insecure about myself to begin with. However, if that person tells me that they are healing or have serious health issues then I will be quite patient with them and listen to their story. Yes I have heard of netiquette, but have you heard of compassion?

You must have just skimmed over my post but I guess you cannot refer back to it on this forum. I was not bashing raw foods but criticizing and questioning high fat foods and unhealthy products promoted in raw food circles. I have presently been on a green smoothie fast for the last four days. Yes my tone was alarmist but it was quite an alarm.

I may not be your benchmark, but I am A benchmark for someone who has had similar experiences or backgrounds. I could not find any information relating to my experience when researching raw food forums in the last year. So I took it upon myself to share my experience for the benefit of others.

Thousands of people may be happy, healthy, glowing and satisfied with the rawfood-diet but I bet ten's or even hundred's of thousands have also quit raw food due to health problems. They may not be willing to share that experience or find ways to correct their mistakes due to patronizing comments such as yours.

I do agree that respect for others is quite important.

Revvell:

I was quite healthy before I went raw. I have been doing regular detoxes and fasts as well as eating a predominantly organic and vegetarian diet for over 25 years. I was not raw for merely 6 months but had dabbled in it for the last 10 years and increased the duration over the last couple of years. I can see why you usually agree with Marcel.



I have a slight undestanding, why your initial post was deleted.

You expirienced something bad with your health and now you are looking for someone or something to blame, but you alone are not the benchmark.

Thousands of people are happy, healthy, glowing and satisfied with the rawfood-diet, maybe you are the only exception of those peoples.

I think, your feeling of not beeing welcomed comes from the tone, first post, first comment is a bashing on rawfood, how would you feel, if we come to your house and we start critizing everything from the beginning, that would not be nice, ever heard of something called netiquette?

I agree with you, that researching is one of the most important things, if you are a rawfoodist, but also respect for others.

Lets start all over again and we can start a constructive conversation about you, your expiriences and rawfood.

saludos,

Marcel :cool:

[Revvell]

You're welcome.

Now, all of what you say may be true yet dabbling and going 100% is totally different. AS I stated, this just MAY be the one that brought out stuff everything else you've done didn't do what really NEEDED to be done. Then again... maybe not.

enjoy!




Revvell:

I was quite healthy before I went raw. I have been doing regular detoxes and fasts as well as eating a predominantly organic and vegetarian diet for over 25 years. I was not raw for merely 6 months but had dabbled in it for the last 10 years and increased the duration over the last couple of years. I can see why you usually agree with Marcel.

[Mad Mex]

Sorry I didn't realize I was in someone's house. I thought this was a public forum.
I don't want to split hairs, but for most of the people, this public forum feels like home, it’s one of the first things they check in the morning and more or less one of the last things they do in the evening. But it doesn’t matter, I’m really interested in you and I do welcome you here, there should be a place for all of us in this forum.


…but have you heard of compassion? […] but criticizing and questioning high fat foods and unhealthy products promoted in raw food circles.
Yes, I heard about compassion. I could agree to that, that you haven’t meant theses harsh words, which I understood in your 1st post.
You are right, there are some strange opinions about several , lets call it products. BUT, here is not such circle you mentioned, we here mostly prefer the way Alissa Cohen promotes and you have to admit, she does not promotes unhealthy products. Even, if I listen to Revvells rawkinradio, she always makes a big question mark behind the using of so called superfoods. So, we are very critical here. Sorry to say we, even if I joined the rawjourney just since the middle of January.

By the way, I do not know your name, I would like to address this personally to you, it was never my intention to patronize you, but as you see in my signature, I do fight for things, which are worth it

I offer you my open hand, heart and mind, lets talk about you experiences in a constructive way and maybe we find a way, that you can enjoy the rawfoodway the same as the most do it, but I also would like to make slight exception. Do not pressure yourself, rawfood should be fun, joy and happiness and if you feel better, with just a percentage of 80 or 70% of rawfood, THEN do it. An enforcement and even for a so called good reason can never be right.

Hopefully I expressed myself understandable, because I’m still not a native englishspeaker and I hope for understandings if not all expressions are perfect.

You are welcome,

Marcel :cool:

[borealtransition]

Thanks Marcel. That was a kind and considerate response. I do feel more welcome now.

Revvell: When I said 'dabbling' I meant there were periods where I went 100% raw. I have regularly done serious cleanses and healing processes over the last few decades that would have brought out the most serious health issues. My allergies actually disappeared to the point where I could now eat nuts that previously sent me into anaphylactic shock. It may be easy to make health assessments based on a few paragraphs, but nobody knows my body more than myself.

I consider my current health issues to be directly related to making bad choices while eating what I thought was organic and raw. I just wanted to post my experience to inform others who may have had similar reactions or similar backgrounds, as I could not find relevant information when I was researching my issues. But I guess they won't find that on this forum. I just want to encourage others to do serious research and question everything. I am not looking for judgment but rather impartial advice and a little support.

Thanks for your input but believe me I have been working on my health for almost 30 years so I know what is going on with my body.

[Stina]

Thanks Marcel. That was a kind and considerate response. I do feel more welcome now.

Revvell: When I said 'dabbling' I meant there were periods where I went 100% raw. I have regularly done serious cleanses and healing processes over the last few decades that would have brought out the most serious health issues. My allergies actually disappeared to the point where I could now eat nuts that previously sent me into anaphylactic shock. It may be easy to make health assessments based on a few paragraphs, but nobody knows my body more than myself.

I consider my current health issues to be directly related to making bad choices while eating what I thought was organic and raw. I just wanted to post my experience to inform others who may have had similar reactions or similar backgrounds, as I could not find relevant information when I was researching my issues. But I guess they won't find that on this forum. I just want to encourage others to do serious research and question everything. I am not looking for judgment but rather impartial advice and a little support.

Thanks for your input but believe me I have been working on my health for almost 30 years so I know what is going on with my body.

Considering that you've come to a forum that is a support network for those choosing to eat a raw plant food diet, how may we support you in your journey?

[Mary Kay]

Borealtransition....Just taking a deep breath, stepping back and saying "Welcome."

Mary Kay

[Basenjimamma]

Welcome from me too..
Nice to have you onboard.

[Jstmee46]

Borealtransition... you are welcomed. Hope you stick around and give this site a chance .. I blog or comment once or twice a week , but the wealth and warmth of info is so great.. Jstmee46

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