Anyone using urine to fast/have a cleanse?Your advice is needed

[dimamuzhetsky]

I'd like to use urinotherapy,but lack sufficient knowledge of just how to do the stuff.Practical/other advices much welcome.Thank You

[spicyfull]

please........elebrate on this subject.

[skier2]

Is this from David Jubb's book? Either way, don't do it--urine is WASTE.

[wendypape]

Perhaps you may not be aware, but many people would disagree with you that urine is waste. ;-) Some people have a knee jerk reaction to the concept. In fact Uropathy or urine therapy as it is known has been around for thousands of years and is something everyone has the right to explore. You can actually find books written on the subject as well as a yahoo group. After thousands of dollars we didn't have on ND trying to fix me years ago that acomplished nothing, I took my own health into my hands and uropathy turned my life around at that time ;-)

I was able to get this book and a few others through inter-library loan at my local library.
Your Own Perfect Medicine
by Martha Christy
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/urine_martha.htm

I always keep an open mind, and read everything I can get my hands on until I feel educated enough to make up my own opinion. What doesn't work or appeal to one person, might save anothers life....Uropathy is free, hydrogen peroxide therapy is almost free, EFT is free....many people need to know how to heal themselves when they cannot afford 'the socalled experts'

hth

warmly

Wendy, homeschooling mom of 3 ;-)

[Blue Sojourn]

I have been using urine therapy for nearly a month, both topically and internally, and am gearing up to do a urine fast at some point soon - not sure when quite yet.

Urine is a sterile liquid, comparable to amniotic fluid, and it is chock full of wonderful things, like DHEA, melatonin, testosterone, androgen, and estrogen. Urine comes from the blood, not the intestines, before being filtered in the kidneys. It also contains vitamins and minerals and other beneficial substances.

Some things I've noticed since using this therapy: softer, moister skin (from facial application), clearer eyesight (I use it as eyewash), better sleep (presumably from the melatonin), gums healing and teeth getting whiter (I hold it in my mouth and swish it around for 10 minutes at a time a couple times a day).

I also had immediate relief from an allergic reaction from the first blast of pollen here in Arizona, and I look forward to seeing what difference this will make throughout the coming Spring. Apparently, when there is an allergy in the body, the urine will contain renegade white blood cells. When these are reintroduced into the body by holding urine under the tongue, antibodies are created which will then quell the allergic reaction. This is supposed to work for food allergies too.

Since I'm raw vegan now for over 6 months, the taste is always pleasant and there is virtually no odor.

Suffice it to say, I'm totally sold on urine therapy and will be continuing it from this point forward.

[freespirit]

perhaps it is your belief in the therapy that allows healing.

I find it hard to believe that drinking urine can have more beneficial results then consuming the natural gifts that mother earth has provided for us.

When we are desperate for cures, the most dramatic actions find us relief from our ailments becasue their energies match- when you feel inner chaos from sickness your ego believes the only way to rid itself of said chaos is to find an equally bold gesture of therapy to erradicate it.

The mind is more powerful then any physical thing we do to heal our bodies.

[Blue Sojourn]

I find it hard to believe that drinking urine can have more beneficial results then consuming the natural gifts that mother earth has provided for us.

What could be more natural than our own bodies producing our own perfect medicine?

[freespirit]

our bodily excretions are not meant for consumption. Whats next- eating your own feces?

[Revvell]

our bodily excretions are not meant for consumption.

Highly possible some are. I've recommended using urine when I've had clients who couldn't heal sores any other way (they were unwilling to change their food program, etc.)... There are many cultures which use urine for healing.

As a matter of fact, you might want to check any cosmetics you've got for urea or google the uses of urine. Quite practical I'd say.

[freelive]

It might have a some beneficial stuff, but urine is one of the ways body dumps toxins out. Even if you eat healthy diet for a while, there are somany ways toxins enter our bodies, that nobody can really avoid them.But everybody does, what feels best, and variety is wonderful.

[Blue Sojourn]

It might have a some beneficial stuff, but urine is one of the ways body dumps toxins out.

Here's some relevant information about toxins in urine:


What happens when you consume your own urine?

The small amount of toxins that are found in urine are not abundant enough to be toxic to the body. When you drink your own urine, it does not go directly to the blood stream. First it goes into the digestive system where its ingredients are sorted out. Then, the useful ingredients are recycled while the toxins are rejected. When the level of toxins becomes too high, the toxins stimulate the intestines into flushing themselves out to eliminate any stagnated excrements accumulated in the colon. Although we could probably filter out the toxins before drinking the urine, the toxins are needed because they stimulate a cleansing reaction in the body. Urine, which remember, is a byproduct of our blood, becomes more purified the more it is recycled. Thus, the cleaner the blood is, the cleaner the urine is, and vice-versa. And this is how urine therapy advocates conclude that urine therapy has a cleansing effect on the blood.

A closer look at the details:

The toxins of urine are also necessary to vaccinate and protect the body from future illnesses. The main theory behind urine therapy after all, isn't that it straight out cures diseases, but instead, it is geared more towards building immunity to diseases, much like vaccinations. The small amounts of possibly toxic substances which can be found in urine largely seem to have a positive effect on the immune system. An important task of the immune system is to rid the human body of diseased or unusable substances that have developed during the course of an illness, and when these substances reach healthy tissue, the blood becomes stronger, the activity of leukocytes (white blood cells) increases, and the patient probably recovers. This phenomenon is known as auto-inoculation or self-vaccination and can be seen as mother nature's method of healing an illness without external intervention. Urine therapy, therefore, can be seen as a form of self-vaccination: certain bodily substances which have been removed from the body, some of which may have been produced as a result of illness, are re-introduced into the body in small amounts. These substances are re-absorbed into the blood through either the intestines or the skin, and the immune system is then given the chance to react appropriately." http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Urine_Therapy.htm

[Evie]

I know Kate Magic and Shazzie have videos of urine therapy onYou tube. I believe they even wrote about it in thier new book. Personally, I am not interested in drinking my urine... but I have heard many peole express benefits of using it on thier face and as a therapy.

[buffalogal]

Yuck! Count me out! I never heard of such a thing!!!:confused::eek:

[Thick]

Isn't there a pee drinking forum you can ask? This is not a raw food question imho.

Btw, what are the benefits of semen fasting?

[Azaria]

Isn't there a pee drinking forum you can ask? This is not a raw food question imho.
We discuss all sorts of health and healing here, not just raw foods.
Thanks for bringing in some relevant info, Blue Sojurn. It is really fascinating that people have such a strong reaction to urine therapy.

[Eva]

The sad thing is that it seems more normal to so many of us over here in the USA (although not on this forum) to eat factory-farmed meat or artificially colored and flavored food ... that does not even resemble food.

Yet, when it comes to something like urine therapy, there is so much resistance.

If there was an organization that made money from the free version of urine therapy, some HUGE corporation like one of the Big Pharma companies ... enough money would be poured into educating people, that it would be different.

That is not the case.

Yet there have been folks outside the USA, like the former prime minister of India (Morarji Desai) who have publicly shared information about its miraculous properties.

I heard about this in late '07 (on THIS board) and tried it because I had a horribly itchy, uncomfortable and painful rash on my elbows. I thought at the time it was eczema, but from further research I think it was psoriasis. It has recurred at different times, but never as bad as it was before.

In any case, I heard about urine therapy AFTER I tried several cleanses and juice feasting. I also tried several creams and ointments, with no success.

At the time I was fully raw and oil pulling at least daily (which DID rid me of OTHER skin issues, thankfully). I was desperate.

Turns out it was no big deal. It wasn't gross or stinky or scary. It rid me of the problem in less than a week.

Oh, and I only learned what I learned on the internet. I didn't buy any books or anything. Since that time, I went to massage school, where I had to learn more in depth about the organs' various functions and the way the body works. I was really not at all surprised but glad to read that it is mostly quite healthy what you find in urine. Free vitamins and a great electrolyte balanced drink. Who knew!? :)

[Eva]

By the way, I shared my personal experience because I think some could benefit from it. I know there are many folks out there who are squeamish at the thought. I totally understand. We all have different experiences with different ideas.

Sometimes you become more open to new ideas when you have tried everything else. It's just how it goes.

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The reason I'm writing again though is because I realized I didn't answer about the fasting part.

Honestly, it's not for the faint of heart. And I think it would be really quite awful for someone who has not been eating a pure, natural, organic diet for some time already.

I don't know where you are. But know that it can be INTENSE and VERY CLEANSING! (In a good way, if you're ready... If you're not, I'd really think twice or save it for later when you're "there"...)

[Blue Sojourn]

I'm starting my urine fast today. My diet has been raw and virtually impeccable for over six months. I have been using urine internally in increasing quantities over the last month, as well as external application. I am an experienced faster, having been on several lengthy water and juice fasts. I feel I'm good to go.

I have a couple conditions I want to heal: a sore gum and tooth issue, and a nerve-pinching in my neck. Since I'm not really ill, I'm hoping that my cleansing/healing will be somewhat gentle or mild. I don't anticipate any huge detox or crisis.

I have to work for three days this week, and then have taken a week off work. That will give me 12 days of fasting before I go back to work. I will see if I want to continue beyond the 12 days when the time comes.

What I have noticed already is that my hunger is easily quelled by urine. I have come to really enjoy the taste. It's become a somewhat sacred act to me. It's like having my own custom-made elixer. I feel very grateful that I have discovered this amazing practice. I'm embarking on a journey of wholeness here, and I intend to experience an opening and expansion on all levels - physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. I am excited.

[Mad Mex]

I lost my allergic coryza with urintherapy.

The people prefer medicine subscribed by a doctor and they do not know, whats in it, check internet on several "pills" there is CO(NH2)2 [urea] inside, guess what this is.

I know, what I have eaten yesterday and only THIS can be inside of me.

I have to admit I cannot imagine to do a fasting with with urine, but hey, wht did someone wrote before, if you like it....

Before you condemn something, inform yourself and decide then. You as a rawfoodist should know this.

Saludos,

Marcel :cool:

[Thick]

Okay, why is urine even excreted?

And are you drinking your only own urine or do you include other sources? How much water do you drink a day--or are you only drinking your urine?

Have there been any studies on how this affects your kidneys? Or what is your feeling about this?

Perhaps I seem closed minded, but to me it is counterintuitive. Could blood drinking could have similar benefits?

[margoss]

An MD I worked for in the 90's would use blood and or urine from the pt when they had corneal involvement. He wouldn't tell them what he was doing..he'd prick their finger then squeeze a drop in the eye. They'd freak out but within a week, they were healed. It was an 'in room secret'.

[Blue Sojourn]

Okay, why is urine even excreted?


Urine is not, as many believe, the excess water from food and liquids that goes through the intestines and is ejected from the body as "waste". It is much different and much more. When you eat, the food you ingest is eventually broken down in the stomach and intestines into extremely small molecules. These molecules are absorbed into tiny tubules in the intestinal wall and then pass through these tubes into the blood stream.

The blood circulates throughout your body carrying these food molecules and other nutrients, along with critical immune defense and regulating elements such as red and white blood cells, antibodies, plasma, microscopic proteins, hormones, enzymes, etc., which are all manufactured at different locations in the body.

As the blood circulates, it passes through the liver where toxins are removed and later excreted from the body in the form of solid waste. Eventually, this now purified "cleaned" blood makes its way to the kidneys. When blood enters the kidneys it is filtered through an immensely complex and intricate system of minute tubules called nephron through which the blood is literally "squeezed" at high pressure. This filtering process removes excess amounts of water, salts and other elements in the blood that your body does not need at the time.

These excess elements are collected within the kidney in the form of a purified, sterile, watery solution called urine. Many of the constituents of this filtered watery solution, or urine, are then reabsorbed by the nephron and delivered back into the bloodstream. The remainder of the urine passes out of the kidneys into the bladder and is then excreted from the body.

The function of the kidneys is to keep the various elements in your blood balanced. When your body doesn't need something at a particular time, it is excreted - not because it is toxic or poisonous or bad for the body, but simply because the body does not need that particular element at the time. http://biomedx.com/urine/


And are you drinking your only own urine or do you include other sources? How much water do you drink a day--or are you only drinking your urine?

I use only my own urine and I drink spring water, as much as desired. You might find the answers to your other questions at the link above.

[Azaria]

I will be following this thread and your fast with great interest, Blue Sojurn!


Perhaps I seem closed minded, but to me it is counterintuitive. Could blood drinking could have similar benefits?

Consuming urine and blood is commonly found in other species. Among many other things, cats and dogs stimulate bladder (and bowel? not sure) activities in their young, and lick up whatever is excreted.

The majority of placental mammals also consume the placenta and accompanying blood. We are (as far as I know) the only mammals who do not do this, and we have a whole array of problems like post partum hemorrhage and post natal depression. I have seen a bit of placenta under the tongue stop bleeding faster than anything else.

There is SO much more to this than meets the eye. All it takes is an open mind to give it some though.

[Amberly]

I am following too. Very interesting.

[Blue Sojourn]

I am wrapping up day 2 of my urine fast. My tongue is coated and I'm feeling tired; just want to go home and sleep! I didn't sleep well last night. I was sort of buzzed and couldn't seem to drop into deep sleep. I also had to pee during the night a few times, even though I stopped all fluid intake at 5 PM. I'm also sort of chilled and can't seem to get warm. The increased mucous expulsion, which started last night, is already dropping off.

But all in all, I'm doing very well. I feel calm and serene even though I am at work. I'm feeling very happy and have a slight spacey feeling that's not at all unpleasant. I'm taking gentle walks every day and foregoing my rebounding and weights for a while.

I am so surprised at how urine takes my hunger away. It's like I'm providing nourishment to my body and it is satisfied. I'm very happy with the lack of hunger pangs on these early fasting days. Not at all like a water fast where the first three days or so are pretty intense hunger-wise.

I can tell that this is a heavy duty detox, a step up from a water fast. I read somewhere (can't remember where - I've read so much lately!) that a urine fast is 3X more potent than a water fast when it comes to detox. In other words, a one week urine fast is equivalent to a three-week water fast.

Here's another thing that's got me ecstatic. I'm not having any allergic reaction whatsoever to the Juniper pollen that's thick here now. Some of my co-workers are miserable with the itchy, watery eyes, itchy throats, drainage, etc. And I would usually be right there with them were it not for the miraculous effect of urine therapy. At the first sign of allergic reaction about a month ago, I started urine therapy and it stopped it dead in its tracks! Here's a segment explaining how urine puts a stop to allergic reactions:


To get some understanding of how urine can be such a powerful healing substance in and of itself, let's take a look at how urine therapy has been known to completely eliminate allergies.

We read where researchers have discovered that allergic responses are caused by "renegade" white blood cells that inappropriately attack substances even when they may be no threat to the body. So it is the activity of these renegade white blood cells, called antigen receptors, that needs to be corrected in order to cure the allergy.

In 1982, studies published by Dr. William Linscott (in Basic and Clinical Immunology) showed that when these antigen receptors (or renegade white blood cells) are reintroduced into the body, the body actually developed antibodies to these antigen receptors, and the antibodies then stopped the allergic response.

Realizing that the urine of allergic individuals contains the allergy causing antigen receptors, researchers thought that to re-introduce the urine back to the allergic individual would mean antibodies would be produced which would then stop the allergic response. And that is exactly what happens. Allergies have been completely turned around with urine therapy.

Using urine in this way to cure the allergy, is one form of isopathic treatment. You're using the same substance that is causing the allergy, to be reintroduced to the body to have the body manufacture its own antibody to it. If you grasp this point, you may be able to see the ability of this therapy to be used in just about any illness the body may experience. http://biomedx.com/urine/

I gave my boss the above link because he has horrible allergies, and today I find out he has spoken to other co-workers and they are starting to come and talk with me about it. It was embarrassing at first but now I'm getting comfortable talking about it rather than just writing about it. :D

The taste of my urine is very mild and not unpleasant, but now that I've been fasting, it is even milder. It's interesting to note how it changes as I get deeper into this experience.

I'll update as my journey continues!

[Revvell]

I've read the one should use the middle of the stream and not the beginning. Is this true for you are are you using all you're getting?

Thank you for sharing your story and experiences.

[Mad Mex]

You're right, right out of the middle. But this is only my preference, read it somewhere.

saludos,

Marcel :cool:

[Marco]

our bodily excretions are not meant for consumption. Whats next- eating your own feces?

Why yes of course, I'm just waiting to hear about the wonderful celery dips people are making these days. :D

Some of your should know even urine therapy advocates warn of the dangers of excessive urine consumption. During a worldwide conference of urine therapy practitioners, the Chinese Association of Urine Therapy warned that drinking urine has negative side effects, including diarrhea, fatigue, fever, and muscle soreness; and these symptoms increase with the amount of urine ingested.

[Magus]

I think urine therapy is a controverse therapy. Urine is an excretion of the body though an almost sterile one (unless you have a bladder infection...). Technically speaking for me it is some kind of feedback loop we can you to adjust our health.

On the other hand even as small childs we have been told not touch this and this is now a deep rooted belief system within each of us. Therefore I can understand everyone fully who finds it disgusting.

But as often: it is all in our mind.

I once tried for some time yogic nose cleaning with diluted morning urine because I had the flu or something like that. I couldn't get accustomed to the smell of it and always have been near vomiting while doing it.

Nonetheless I even prescribe it to infants with excemas or neurodermitis topically and works wonderfully.

[Mary Kay]

Blue Sojourn,

Thanks for the info. You've convinced me to at the very least try it topically - on my face for rosacea. I'll report back here!

Mary Kay

[Revvell]

I couldn't get accustomed to the smell of it and always have been near vomiting while doing it.



Interesting because mine doesn't smell unless I'm not fully hydrated or I eat something that causes it to smell.

[Magus]

Interesting because mine doesn't smell unless I'm not fully hydrated or I eat something that causes it to smell.

First thing in the morning, too?
During the day you're right. My experience is the same.

[Revvell]

Yes, even in the morning. :)


First thing in the morning, too?
During the day you're right. My experience is the same.

[Mad Mex]

But as often: it is all in our mind.

I couldn't get accustomed to the smell of it and always have been near vomiting while doing it.

Andreas, you wrote it yourself, it's all in our mind.

I remember my first try, close my nose, poured it down and brushed my teeth for 10 minutes. Today, just drinking and refilling the glass with some water to clear the mouth. That's it.

Some people could vomit, if they have to eat this vegetable or that fruit (just to mention Durian) but 1st, you could get used to eat and after a while you cannot believe that you rejected this or that 6 month ago, or 2nd you take it anyway, because it helps your body.

Saludos,
Marcel

[Azaria]

Wishing I was in a healthier place right now, there is NO way I would drink my urine right now but will try it when I am a bit less toxic, for sure :p

[Amberly]

I haven't decided what I think about urine therapy, because I am still learning about it, but refuse to be as closed-minded as some others seem to be. Noone said anything about eating feces or fasting on semen. Sounds like a lot of fear and conditioning.

[Blue Sojourn]

This is the beginning of day 4 of my fast. I'm doing fine now, but yesterday was a different story. I had an extreme detox/healing crisis. I got nauseaus, light-headed and weak, and I actually fainted. Add to all of that headaches, diahrrea and a sore hip from my drop to the hardwood floor. As a previous poster (Eva?) said, this urine fasting is definitely not for the inexperienced or unprepared!

I was really stupid and got on the rebounder yesterday morning for a gentle 10-minute bounce. MISTAKE! Also, I've continued with my oil pulling, which I'm sure is adding to the detox effect.

I had been drinking all of my urine mid-stream from morning to early evening, and it was just too much. I have cut it back now to just the first morning mid-stream and spring water the rest of the day. That seems to be working much better!

I thought that my mucous expulsion was diminishing, but it acually increased quite a bit after the second day. It seems never ending!

I was under the impression that my system was pretty clean, but I guess I was mistaken. There's some major cleansing underway and I am just gearing way back and lying low for the next week and letting this cleansing run its course.

The urine has taken on a different taste since I've been fasting. It has a somewhat lemony taste now, not unpleasant but not my favorite either. I haven't seen anything about this in all the reading I've done, so I'm just taking it as it is.

I am losing weight at a tremendous pace. I was 142 when I started, and I'm 136 at the beginning of day 4. I really can't afford to lose much weight, but again, I'm just taking it as it is. For a few years now, I've loved seeing the number on the scale go down (I have lost over 110 lbs, over 40 of that since becoming raw vegan), but now I want to see that number level off, and I know it will level at the weight my body chooses as its best possible weight.

As of today, I'm planning to switch over to juice fasting after day 10 and continue with that for a week or more.

Yesterday, we had a sunny day and I spent some time basking in it. It certainly helped me feel better. I'm hoping for more sunny days over the next week.

I know there are some nay-sayers visiting this thread and I can only chalk it up to a lack of research and self-education on a very controversial topic. I'm not here to convince anyone. What matters is that I am convinced that urine therapy is a very beneficial modality that is ancient in its duration and crosses many cultures. I will be using it on a daily basis in a maintenance dose and on my skin for the rest of my life. I'm only sharing my experience for those that are open to it and would benefit in some way from hearing about it.

[Blue Sojourn]

During a worldwide conference of urine therapy practitioners, the Chinese Association of Urine Therapy warned that drinking urine has negative side effects, including diarrhea, fatigue, fever, and muscle soreness; and these symptoms increase with the amount of urine ingested.

Sounds like detox symptoms to me. Not a bad thing.

[Thick]

You know, I've looked around the internet to find all of the terrible things that can happen to you when drinking pee. But, there's very little to be found. I see that urine therapy is not just a strange anorexic perversion or PICA, but is indeed a real therapy.

However, I'm still not sure it belongs on this board, as we are supposed to be discussing Alissa's book and her program. But, she doesn't advocate fasting in her book either, and obviously approves of the fasting section. /shrug I worry for the new people who happen across this board and discount our praises of the miracles of raw food, when we are actually achieving results in many cases, by fasting. I see that it falls under the blanket of "raw food lifestyle" though.

I am sorry I judged without researching. However, my questions of drinking sperm and blood during a fast remain. Would they also have affects? I've tried to search for answers, but just get a lot of vampire/auto erotica content. Perhaps you have spoken with teachers or experts that know? And would mucus eating (as an arm of the immune system) also help in the same way?

[Magus]

Y
I am sorry I judged without researching. However, my questions of drinking sperm and blood during a fast remain. Would they also have affects? I've tried to search for answers, but just get a lot of vampire/auto erotica content. Perhaps you have spoken with teachers or experts that know? And would mucus eating (as an arm of the immune system) also help in the same way?

Actually you can use self-blood therapy (in German Eigenbluttherapie) very effeciently, e.g. auto-immune disorders, chronic fatigue/illnesses etc. But here you do not drink it. You extract from the body intravenously and reinject it intra-muscular (i.m.). You might also add other substances,
e.g. homoeopathic substances or an ozon-oxygen mix. In the latter case it is called Ozon-therapy.
You might use lymphatic liquids or urine just the same way. Lymphatic liquids you get by using a so-called Cantharidenpflaster. Basically this the dried spanish fly grinded into a powder and mixed into a paste. This paste is put near the hip when having chronic pain there. The Catharadidenpflaster creates a kind of a bubble filled with lymphatic liquid.

[Blue Sojourn]

After five days, I have switched to juice fasting and no urine. The urine fast was such an intense detox that I was absolutely miserable. At least I gave it a good shot, but alas, it is not for me. As soon as I get my strength back, I will resume the urine therapy.

[Mikey_H]

I can't believe how interested I am in this, and I just now came across it... never even thought about it. I'm definitely going to research more but from what I've read, it makes sense.
Funny that I am actually going to start a big juice fast tomorrow for the beginning of the spring season. Been 100% raw since Jan 1st and before that I was at least 95% for a year so I'm not too worried about "unapealling urine" since my urine is almost always clear (unless I consume beet juice!! haha)
Perhaps I will start out slow alongside this juice fast with this and keep a close eye. I'm definitely going to keep my eye on this thread...

[Mikey_H]

WOW......

VERY quick update.

So I just had the need to go urinate, and I thought "hey.. might as well try it now"
All I can say is WOW, nothing like I expected. Tasted like absolutely nothing at all... actually a little bit sweet!

I'm kind of shocked in a way that I just read all this information and did this so spontaneously, for not hearing about this or thinking about it before this half-hour.
Something definitely spiritually lifting about that... made me feel more connected with my body. WOW, I'm really excited about this springtime juice fast now, now that I have a little "sweet drink" to enjoy on the side!.:eek::D
I'll start off slow and keep myself updated, but I'm definitely gonna read more into this!!