I wonder what Alissa thinks about...

[Smileen]

More and more raw food leaders are starting to introduce non-raw and/or non-vegan foods. Just heard about a new one this morning that adds raw milk, eggs etc. I don't understand why this is happening so much lately. Knowing that Alissa is still 100% would make me feel that all is right with the world. I know of no other raw food leader that looks as healthy as she does.

[ReneeH]

Last month I was blessed to attend Alissa's Certification Class. She looks WONDERFUL, and BEAUTIFUL and HASN'T CHANGED... She's still 100% Raw as far as I know. If she wasn't I'm sure she would have told us... :)

[TheRawPilgrim]

Do you mean raw or vegan? Raw milk and eggs ARE raw (as opposed to pasteurized milk and pasteurized -or cooked eggs), but obviously not raw VEGAN.

[Revvell]

They are introducing raw animal products and cooked veggies.

[DeniseM]

Just heard about a new one this morning that adds raw milk, eggs etc.

Which raw leader is this? Just curious.

[Dimond]

The reason why most of them are is because they were doing raw incorrectly for their bodies. Some were eating minimal amounts of food, which doesn't work well when raw, especially if they're active. Most weren't eating enough fruit, which should be eaten in large enough quantities when eating raw long-term. If not fruit, then substantial amount of juice (primarily green) can often be a good substitute. The sad part (from what they've described) is they didn't spend enough time trying out more raw vegan options, but instead went from what they normally eat to adding in animal products or cooked.

[Gab]

Aong this line, someone asked for examples....

I recently bought a book by Jennifer Cornbleet (who also has some wonderful recipes BUT some things sure confused me), "Raw Food Made Easy for 1 or 2 People".

Page 73: recipe for Zucchini Hummus is given. At the bottom there is a "Variation" that states (exact quote)... for garbonzo bean hummus replace the zucchinni with 1 1/4 cups cooked garbonzo beans and add 1/4C water.

Page 90: recipe for Greek Salad and a "variation" states add 1/4C cubed or crumbled fet cheese.

Page 91: Green Salad suggests adding 2TBS goat cheese or feta.

There's a few others.

The recipes are wonderful but not the type of thing I expect from a raw cookbook. It's these kind of recommendations that can totally confuse :confused: :confused: :confused: people, especially those new to raw.

gab

[Smileen]

DeniseM it's the Raw Food Right Now folks. Not sure if it's ok to mention them or not on this site. I trust that a moderator will delete if it's not ok.

Thanks

[Smileen]

TheRawPilgrim, yes, I made an error. I did mean vegan.

Thanks,

[Green_Woman]

Eh, we just had a similar thread discussing Victoria Boutenko's choice to add a few steamed veggie meals a month to her diet.

I gotta say, I'm disinterested in this whole thing emotionally simply because I don't FOLLOW gurus, therefore I'm not upset by their choices.


I don't ask Gurus to tell me how to live. My Body is MY Guru and she's pretty damn smart! ;) She told me a few months ago that I needed extra B-12, and every single day she tells me what's on the Menu, so I make it. We are quite a good team, She and I. :D

And honestly, even if Alissa or Revvell or YOU came out and told me you were "only 93.87% Raw and occasionally ate *insert gross food here* for dinner" then I'd have just one response for ya... well, two responses.

First, "ewww.... GROSS!"

Second, "That's fine. Just don't ask me to join you!"

[TheRawPilgrim]

TheRawPilgrim, yes, I made an error. I did mean vegan.

Thanks,

LOL forgive me, I'm easily confused :D I was expecting I had missed something as usually the case :p

[Green_Woman]

:D :D :D



I saw that!

[klomasius]

I don't ask Gurus to tell me how to live. My Body is MY Guru and she's pretty damn smart! ;) She told me a few months ago that I needed extra B-12, and every single day she tells me what's on the Menu, so I make it. We are quite a good team, She and I. :D


Yeah, this.

And below the 'guru' tip of the iceberg there are vast number of us thriving on a raw vegan diet.

I don't really know how to completely explain it, but I just seem to keep going from strength to strength, mentally, physically, emotionally. So much so that I've been inspired by the move away from veganism in the raw movement to reignite the vegan enthusiasm by becoming more of an example.

Years ago I learnt to really rely on my own body as the basis for knowing whether I was healthy or not. After the initial detox craziness at the beginning, it hasn't steered me wrong yet.

Look to your own self, do YOU feel you need the milk of another species or the meat of an animal to feel your best? I read much of the vast ocean of scientific literature that told me this was an untruth, but these days I've moved away from looking outside myself for validation or health knowledge. I've become so comfortable with it that it feels like a smooth flowing river rather than a rapid filled ride.

I'm not even coming much to the raw forums anymore. I think that's what a lot of long term raw foodists tend to do.

Learn to identify and interpret YOUR key health indicators, not anyone else's. It just doesn't make sense any other way.

[Revvell]

:D :D :D
I saw that!

..... heh!.....

[stellaJewels]

unfortunately most of us haven't been eating like this for a bunch of years, so we may look to gurus to see what the LONG TERM effects of a raw food vegan diet are, not just to blindly follow a guru. I think that's why there's so much talk about it, like these gurus were adamant that cooked food and/or animal products were poison, and removing them cured them of all these health problems. Now they're telling us how sick they are years later and that adding some of the "poisons" back in has helped cure these new problems...

It's great to say listen to your own body, I believe that can work for some people, but I'd like to think the gurus knew to listen to theirs too, and it seems theirs said eat cooked or non-vegan foods.

Maybe others are like me in wondering what the LONG TERM issues are, and what we need to do to avoid them

I hope that made sense and wasn't just a long ramble... :D

[Revvell]

I think a lot of them have been doing things they've been telling us not to do ~ like overeating dehydrated foods and nuts instead of fresh fruits, greens, veggies, THEN seeds and nuts.

[beckx]

i hope it's ok to voice this opinion here, but i think it's great that people are figuring out what works for them and encouraging others to explore what might work best for their bodies.

there are a LOT of factors that contribute to your personal nutritional needs, and being open minded and receptive to your body's needs is so important.

we shouldn't be so dogmatic about what we eat that we risk our own well being for the sake of being 100% raw vegan. this doesn't mean giving in to cravings... but if you are eating a well balanced diet AND your body is genuinely asking for something that is not vegan AND you make the choice to eat that thing in moderation as your body asks for it AND do not get sick from it (and preferably get it from a local and ethical source)... what's wrong with that?

we're all on our own path... i thought it was weird when heidi and justin mentioned raw dairy as the 'future' of the raw food movement. i think raw dairy will work for some people and not for others, like most things. listen to your own body and your own experience.

(this is not to say that there is anything wrong with alissa's plan - i think it is especially great for people transitioning from a SAD diet to be a raw vegan diet, when they often don't have a sense of what their body really needs to function optimally.)