Omega or Champion???

[Amberly]

Which is better- the Omega 8006 or the Champion 2000+???

[lovenlife]

Here it all the info

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=47157&highlight=juicers

Hope it helps.

[michigan roman]

i bought the best champion commercial model and do not like it

it spins faster than i thought it would and in the process extremely airiates / froths up soft things like tomatos ruining the juice imo

it also pushes / leaks pulp out of the side of the shute

and its difficult putting the shute onto the main body of the juicer

and ive seen alot of rawfoodists really like the slow turning omega ones

i gave my champion to my mother because i was so put off with what i see as a faulty design i didnt want it around , they make an extremely heavy duty machine - but the faulty head / grinding design makes it a bust .
though maybe its good for hard vegis , that could be . but the soft tomato and pineapples i put through and wanted to juice regularly didnt go well

[snoops]

I LOVE my Omega. It has a bit of a problem with really soft stuff like pineapple, very ripe pears and tomatoes but you j ust need to sometimes take off the auger unit and rinse it and carry on. Or sometimes I just alternate a soft bit with a harder piece.

Haven't tried wheatgrass but it does kale and spinach very well.

I would die without my juicer. Smart move to go with the auger type. Makes much better tasting juice.

[ginadj]

well I am no expert - but, in the last 2 months I did a TON of research finding the perfect one for me. I picked the Omega 8006 - just ordered it from Dimond!! It's not even here yet and already I am loving it :)

There are so many different reasons why people want a juicer and to what lengths and time people will put into producing juice. I for one know that I wanted something that cleaned up fairly easily, not something that I needed to really take apart and soak and rinse, etc. I know people have their system eventually and they love it. Knowing me, I don't have the time to trade and the Omega seems like it puts out the best juice for that.

I did a lot of youtube video watching to hear people's reviews and to see the type of juice it puts out and how. I really couldn't get over the whole heating up part of some of the juicers. I also completely can not stand froth, if I want froth, I 'll use my Vitamix! I also was more into juicing greens than fruit and that also pointed me toward the Omega 8006 as well as being able to make some sorbets, etc!

[katacykls]

We have the omega and it works really well it comes with two containers one for catching pulp and the other for catching the juice. The Omega is also handy for making nut butters or frozen fruity sorbettos and it's really compact and less messy than the champion my mom used to have when i was a kid.

[raweater]

I'd recommend considering the Green Star. As stated the Champion does turn at high speed and destroys lots of nutrition. The Omega had and possibly still has an issue of grinding it's toxic melamine auger into the juice and/or pulp.

The Green Star also extracts 30% more juice than the Omega and Champion so it saves you a considerable amount of money with each use. It also has patented technologies that extract up to 100% more vitamins and nutrients from the juice and makes juice that stores and that maintains it's nutrition for about 3 days (juice from many juicers loose their nutrition after 15 minutes and stores for about 12 hours).

[snoops]

What is different about the greenstar that allows the greater nutrients and storage time. Not that I am worried about the storage time as I juice and drink right then! But I am wondering what makes the different auger types differ in nutrient value. Do you have a source for that raweater? I would be interested to read about it.

[raweater]

It's not just the storage time, the juice from Green Star juice have double the nutrition/vitamins/nutrients as juice from other juicers. Their website at www.greenstar.com explains how it works. It's not the auger type, it's due to patented technologies in the juicer.

[revdrcyn]

The Omega is great!

[raweater]

Be careful with the omega, most units grind their melamine auger into fine melanine powder into the juice and/or pulp and there has been lots of news of people dying from consuming melamine contaminated foods. I think they may have fixed the issue in recent models but I'm not sure. In any case this problem is beyond unacceptable.

[snoops]

Raweater, I went to the website and I don't see comparisons for nutrient value. It shows how much more juice you get compared to a citrus press but not to another auger type like the omega. Also the RPM's for the omega are even lower than the Greenstar so I assume even less heating and loss of nutrients. 110 in the greenstar and 80 in the omega. Can you show me a link to proof of greater nutrient value. I agree that comparing it to a centrifuge or citrus press one will show greater nutrient value in the auger type but I would like compare apples to apples so to speak. Two auger types compared...

[stiggs]

I'd recommend considering the Green Star. As stated the Champion does turn at high speed and destroys lots of nutrition. The Omega had and possibly still has an issue of grinding it's toxic melamine auger into the juice and/or pulp.

The Green Star also extracts 30% more juice than the Omega and Champion so it saves you a considerable amount of money with each use. It also has patented technologies that extract up to 100% more vitamins and nutrients from the juice and makes juice that stores and that maintains it's nutrition for about 3 days (juice from many juicers loose their nutrition after 15 minutes and stores for about 12 hours).

The greenstar would probably yield more juice than the omega and the champion but it is certainly not 30% especially since there is a considerable difference in the juice yield between the champion and omega.
I am also a little sceptical about the "patented technologies" they claim. To me the two gears are just slightly magnetised and I cant see how this can increase the shelf life (and remove pesticides/metals whatever the claim) - has this ever been studied? what is the scientific reasoning behind it?
The omega spins at 70-80 rpm, the greenstar 110 and 1725rpm for the champion.
I own a greenstar and I love it but I ordered an omega for convenience - faster juicing and cleaning. In my opinion its a small trade-off in juice yield and I would imagine the juice quality is almost equal if not in favour of the lower rpms of the omega.
There is another twin gear (80/90rpm) on the market called the Angel juicer which, from what I have studied is much better than the greenstar in terms of juice yield and quality.

[stiggs]

Which is better- the Omega 8006 or the Champion 2000+???

Hey Amberly,
here is an interesting video I came across on youtube - hope it helps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrQbMprVU3g

edit: oops you said 8006, but there is not too much difference in the 8006 and the VRT. Also I would recommend the omega by a million miles

[stiggs]

Be careful with the omega, most units grind their melamine auger into fine melanine powder into the juice and/or pulp and there has been lots of news of people dying from consuming melamine contaminated foods. I think they may have fixed the issue in recent models but I'm not sure. In any case this problem is beyond unacceptable.

Yes, I heard that about the old omega juicers and it was very shocking. Fortunately the new models come with a superior auger which they claim is "made of GE’s ULTEM material, which is 8 times stronger than augers on other single auger juicers."

Haven't heard any complaints about the new auger which is good news

[raweater]

Raweater, I went to the website and I don't see comparisons for nutrient value. It shows how much more juice you get compared to a citrus press but not to another auger type like the omega. Also the RPM's for the omega are even lower than the Greenstar so I assume even less heating and loss of nutrients. 110 in the greenstar and 80 in the omega. Can you show me a link to proof of greater nutrient value. I agree that comparing it to a centrifuge or citrus press one will show greater nutrient value in the auger type but I would like compare apples to apples so to speak. Two auger types compared...

When the RPMs are already so low (110 and 80), none of them will generate any heat, any heat creation would only start being noticeable in the thousands of RPMs.

This page shows 10 advantages of the green star:
http://www.greenstar.com/maximize.asp

This page talks about the independant studies showing 50-200% more mineral content in the juice from a green star. It also explains why the pesticides and heavy metals remain in the pulp rather than go into the juice as well as the doctor that proved it. It also has a chart comparing the juice extracted and detailed nutrient value of different juicers, you can see the Omega got only 600 ml of juice where the green star got 800 ml from the same produce amount.
http://www.greenstar.com/special.asp

[stiggs]

When the RPMs are already so low (110 and 80), none of them will generate any heat, any heat creation would only start being noticeable in the thousands of RPMs.

This page shows 10 advantages of the green star:
http://www.greenstar.com/maximize.asp

This page talks about the independant studies showing 50-200% more mineral content in the juice from a green star. It also explains why the pesticides and heavy metals remain in the pulp rather than go into the juice as well as the doctor that proved it. It also has a chart comparing the juice extracted and detailed nutrient value of different juicers, you can see the Omega got only 600 ml of juice where the green star got 800 ml from the same produce amount.
http://www.greenstar.com/special.asp

This information is all from the greenstar webpage. It hasn't been updated in years - for example the first item " 1. the lowest temperature.* ". We have already mentioned that the greenstar has a higher rpm than the omega. What omega are you talking about? is it a 10 year old centrifugal or the latest masticating juicer?
Can you provide a link to a non greenstar biased website that compares the greenstar to the latest juicers on the market ie. Super Angel juicer, Hurom slow juicer, Omega 8006 etc

[snoops]

Thank you raweater - that was the page I couldn't find. I love my Omega but if I ever need another juicer I would like to try tasting the juice from several juicers and also compare output. I can't believe any could taste better than mine made in my Omega but you never know. I have relatives visiting. I think they were impressed by the juice this morning. They have a centrifuge type.

[christinajade]

I love my omega!

[raweater]

This information is all from the greenstar webpage. It hasn't been updated in years - for example the first item " 1. the lowest temperature.* ". We have already mentioned that the greenstar has a higher rpm than the omega. What omega are you talking about? is it a 10 year old centrifugal or the latest masticating juicer?
Can you provide a link to a non greenstar biased website that compares the greenstar to the latest juicers on the market ie. Super Angel juicer, Hurom slow juicer, Omega 8006 etc

It mentions the source of the independent studies from Anamol Laboratories Ltd. I can also tell you didn't even bother to read the page because it clearly mentions it's a masticating juicer like the omega 8005.

As I said when the RPMs are already as low as 120 or 80 RPM, none of them will generate any heat, you would need at least 1000 RPM to generate any measurable heat at all, so either 80 or 120 RPM would not heat the juice at all.

[katacykls]

The Omega VRT 330 looks like an amazing juicer to own.

[Dimond]

Katacykls, Omega VRT is definitely the most amazing juicer I've ever tried. It practically self-juices and self cleans. That would make a great slogan. :)

[ginadj]

The VRT was definitely my second choice in juicers - everything about it looked awesome - especially the way it juices and the cleanup!! the only reason I didn't go with it is I really want to juice more vegi and wheatgrass than fruit and the 8006 is better for that and I was attracted to the sorbet as well - otherwise I would have gone with the VRT.

and Dimond was awesome to work with :D

[stiggs]

It mentions the source of the independent studies from Anamol Laboratories Ltd. I can also tell you didn't even bother to read the page because it clearly mentions it's a masticating juicer like the omega 8005.

As I said when the RPMs are already as low as 120 or 80 RPM, none of them will generate any heat, you would need at least 1000 RPM to generate any measurable heat at all, so either 80 or 120 RPM would not heat the juice at all.

I read that exact page 7-8 years ago before I bought my greenstar. That is the reason I mentioned the rpm-heat generation -proving point one is no longer valid -proving this is an old web page!

My find still cant find "omega" or "8005" from that page:rolleyes:

[stiggs]

The VRT was definitely my second choice in juicers - everything about it looked awesome - especially the way it juices and the cleanup!! the only reason I didn't go with it is I really want to juice more vegi and wheatgrass than fruit and the 8006 is better for that and I was attracted to the sorbet as well - otherwise I would have gone with the VRT.

and Dimond was awesome to work with :D

From what I've read the omega VRT yields more juice. It was designed to be a juicer and juicer only so I would assume thats true. The cleaning of the 8006 looks great though.
Here is a video of a juicing comparison with the 8006. The hurom/omega vrt is the same juicer by the ways, just superficial differences
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-dAC1Ul_zM

[Dimond]

Dimond was awesome to work with :D Aw, Thanks. :o :)

[katacykls]

you guys I'm a tad bit embarassed to admit this but I own an 8005 Omega and now I really want the Omega VRT 330 ...do any of you own more than one juicer ?

[stiggs]

you guys I'm a tad bit embarassed to admit this but I own an 8005 Omega and now I really want the Omega VRT 330 ...do any of you own more than one juicer ?

The only concern about the omega 8005 is that the auger isn't as durable as the 8006. Once its not chipped/broken it should be good. I wonder is the new 8006 auger the same size and you could get it replaced?

Personally I own 2x centrifugal juicers (dont use anymore), a greenstar and I have an omega vrt coming in the mail

[katacykls]

wow that's a lot of juicers just out of curiosity if you own the green star why are you getting the Vert ?

[stiggs]

wow that's a lot of juicers just out of curiosity if you own the green star why are you getting the Vert ?

well i gave a loan of my 2x centrifugal to friends.
I love the greenstar but it takes me a long time to juice and clean the juicer after. I make juice 2x a day so that time really adds up. The VRT juice i would rate the same quality but the yield isnt quite as high as the greenstar, but close. But it will save me alot of time and I will use it more im sure:)

[katacykls]

Stiggs enjoy your Vert and let us know how it works out for you...(especially how the clean up compares with other juicers). I am happy for you and your new juicer.

[stiggs]

Stiggs enjoy your Vert and let us know how it works out for you...(especially how the clean up compares with other juicers). I am happy for you and your new juicer.

Thanks very much Katacykls!
I sure will let you know what I think of it :)

[stiggs]

Stiggs enjoy your Vert and let us know how it works out for you...(especially how the clean up compares with other juicers). I am happy for you and your new juicer.

took my VRT out of its box on friday. I used it about 4/5 times this weekend and I am happy with it so far. It is fast to juice with, the chute is bigger than the greenstar so you dont need to cut stuff up as much. The juice it makes is very good, nice consistency and no bits.
I assembled it yesterday and when i turned it on there was a small clicking noise and looked like the sieve was hitting off something or it wasnt put together correctly- it was. Anyhow after 2 reassembles it was still there so i just juiced since it was under warranty and the noise stopped. It hasnt happened since, anytime. no damage done either.
Its not as easy to clean as i first predicted. the sieve is pretty big and there are few nooks and crannies to get at, but its still relatively quick. I think after looking at the 8006 clean up nothing comes close:)
Its a bit annoying having to be careful with the silicon nubby all the time, i almost lost it once.

all in all I am glad I got it. Its nice and speedy and does everything really well. Its probably the fastest low rpm to juice with, not quite the juice yield of a twin gear juicer but pretty close, not as fast to clean as the 8006 but its not too far behind.
hope that helped:D

[Dimond]

If you run water through the Vert twice before disassembling, cleanup is super quick.

[stiggs]

If you run water through the Vert twice before disassembling, cleanup is super quick.

yes Dimond i do that too and its really great. the other day i made a fruit juice, then put lots of water through it and left it for hours without disassembling it before making another juice and it worked great.
I made another juice after that post and the clean up was much faster, just getting the knack of it really

[raweater]

My find still cant find "omega" or "8005" from that page:rolleyes:

That's because they don't list them by brand name, they list them by type, so it's referred to as a masticating juicer.

[stiggs]

That's because they don't list them by brand name, they list them by type, so it's referred to as a masticating juicer.

I just don't want people to come on here and think that the greenstar is the be-all and end-all of juicers. Compare 1 pint of spinach juice from the greenstar and any other low rmp masticating juicer and the nutrient quantities are the same. There is not "up to 100% more vitamins and nutrients from the juice" of the greenstar.

[snoops]

I would tend to think that was likely too. A masticating juicer is a masticating juicer!

[raweater]

I just don't want people to come on here and think that the greenstar is the be-all and end-all of juicers. Compare 1 pint of spinach juice from the greenstar and any other low rmp masticating juicer and the nutrient quantities are the same. There is not "up to 100% more vitamins and nutrients from the juice" of the greenstar.

Yes there is, independant studies have proven it, look at the very bottom of this page, there are the clear and detailed results of the independent study proving that the juice from the green star has significantly more of virtually all nutrients:

http://www.greenstar.com/special.asp

Perhaps you're dissapointed that your new VRT is harder to clean than expected but that's not a reason to dismiss the clear benefits of the green star.

[stiggs]

Yes there is, independant studies have proven it, look at the very bottom of this page, there are the clear and detailed results of the independent study proving that the juice from the green star has significantly more of virtually all nutrients:

http://www.greenstar.com/special.asp

Perhaps you're dissapointed that your new VRT is harder to clean than expected but that's not a reason to dismiss the clear benefits of the green star.

Oh im sorry, an 'independent report' on the greenstars own website must be completely objective and not designed to sell juicers - i must be wrong :rolleyes:
What date was this report published? The greenstar won its first award in 1993, what masticating juicers were in competition back then? the 8005 like you said:eek:
I love this magical, magnetic technology which allows the greenstar up to a whopping 100% more nutrients and vitamins, seperating it from other non-tribest juicer. I dont know why all new juicers are missing out on this breakthrough technology, I mean surely its the greatest invention ever? You juice one carrot and you get the nutrients of 2, wow! If thats not good enough in 'independent tests' the greenstar still manages to extract more metal based elements than the non magnetised juicers. Thank you raweater for the great chart, here is an example :
Green Power 2 Step Hyradulic MasticatingPress Masticating
Magnesium 291 257 241 197
Iron 6.58 2.50 2.70 3.21

- silly me thinking the magnets might actually keep the metal all for their greedy selves. Please note that 'masticating' juicer in this case refers to the best masticating juicer on the marker up to and including 2050, it was not as one may wrongly belive the cheapest, most useless juice extractor used to make the greenstar look superior.

I see you mentioned there are "independant studies". I would love to read more, please do link the others.

Well yes I am disappointed that the VRT took me longer to clean than I expected but I do come with the ability to learn and think for myself so I use new techniques to shave even more seconds off the cleaning and continue to do so.

If you were to read my post correctly you would know that I say the is greenstar superior juice extractor as it yields more juice but thats okay I still like you :)

[raweater]

Thanks for showing you know nothing about physics. Only very few metals are magnetic, the majority of metals are not at all attracted by magnets as is the case for magnesium and some forms of iron, so that's why there's more of those in the GS juice. Also don't forget that the magnetism is only one of the several technologies in the greenstar that make it extract more nutrients.

The reason other companies don't use this technology is because GreenStar patented it so no one else can use it.

You can get the independant results of the study directly from the lab:
Anamol Laboratories Ltd.(Concord, ON 905-660-1225) in Ontario, Canada

[stiggs]

Thanks for showing you know nothing about physics. Only very few metals are magnetic, the majority of metals are not at all attracted by magnets as is the case for magnesium and some forms of iron, so that's why there's more of those in the GS juice. Also don't forget that the magnetism is only one of the several technologies in the greenstar that make it extract more nutrients.

The reason other companies don't use this technology is because GreenStar patented it so no one else can use it.

You can get the independant results of the study directly from the lab:
Anamol Laboratories Ltd.(Concord, ON 905-660-1225) in Ontario, Canada

I know nothing about physics? okay.... this final year of a science degree isnt really working for me then. That statement you made sounds alot like your arguement as to why the greenstar is the best juicer!
iron is magnetic and the green power extracts over twice that of a masticating juicer. copper is not magnetic and the green power extracts less than the masticating juicer. I checked each one if you want more examples just ask.

If only few metals are magnetic then why is it necessary to have the gears magnetised? And I asked you in a previous post to please explain the science
behind HOW the magic magnetic field gets more vitamins and minerals into the juice but you must have overlooked it. I am genuinely interested in the science behind it, the reason, what exactly does it do, how does it do it, why dont people magnetise all their food, what white papers explore it etc,etc and please no link to a greenstar domain, one paragraph explaination - i need lots of info to satisfy me, thanks.

hmm, so "the magnetism is only one of several other technologies which make it extract more nutrients" -what other technologies does the greenstar have? does the hard or soft fruit attachment count as technologies?
they should patent them springs too.

Thank you raweater for the link to Anamol Labratories but I already saw that as it was above the chart you posted. Funny enough, there is no evidence of this experiment on any other website than greenstar or someone selling it....

I know the greenstar webpage extensively at this stage so please, please no more links there.

Slightly off topic but since I will be graduating next year I was wondering what the wages are like at tribest?
are they opened to applicants from students who are thorough, open minded, dont jump to rash conclusions and have good attention to detail?

À Bientôt :)