Essential Protein

[sprstr305]

:mad: A dietician came in where I work today and told I really looked like I had lost weight. 40lbs. I told her since March. I was eating a yellow pepper and a red pepper with some dates for my lunch. She asked me what I was getting in for protein and started in on my diet about I was not getting any essintial protein just be eating nuts and raw veggies. I told her I feel if God intended for us to eat meat he would have given us teeth & digestion of a carnivore. Also we should eat it raw if that was so beneficial. I am so new to this I could not rebut properly. She said my body was in Ketosis and I was feeding off myself, so no wonder I was loosing yet. I told her when you cook meat ,It was my understanding the usable protein was destroyed. She said I had to eat peanut butter or at least tofu and eggs. I was tired of trying to defend my self when she finally left, knowing full well she hadn't convinced me. I really am not the one to defend this way of eating, since I'm new at it. Two coworkers heard all this ,now their mission is to get me to eat something, since she has a degree and I don't. I just know I feel better than I have in a long time and starting to look better too. I have 50 more to go, so it's a good thing my whole family is in the funeral business, beacuse I'm supposedly going to be dead before I make that goal. Needless to say I was steamed! Helpppppp!! I have to read Alissas protein stuff again.
Sorry about the length of this I had to tell someone who understands. :confused:

[Sicilian Girl]

Actually, if you really look at what you are eating, most likely you are getting plenty of protein. My mom gave me the same argument, so I kept track of everything I was eating on www.fitday.com and it shows you how much protein etc. you are getting(Personally I would ignore the calories, fat etc)

I was shocked to discover by eating 100% raw (fruits, greens, nuts, flaxseeds etc) I was getting 25-30 grams of protein a day. And I am not eating tons of nuts...

Just wanted to let you know, I am with you...

[Halo Aglow]

This is a little of what I learned in my recent Nutrition course.

Individual amino acids are bonded together to form proteins. Of the 20 types of amino acids found in food, 9 must be consumed as food and the rest can be synthesized by the body. Lower-quality, also called incomplete, protein foods lack sufficient amounts of one or more essential amino acids. This is typical of plant foods, especially cereal grains. BUT different types of plant foods eaten together often complement each other’s amino-acid deficits, thereby providing high-quality protein in the diet.

[SamuelWilson]

sprstr305, do not let your coworkers bring you down. I am business owner, so my coworkers do not challenge my eating habits. However, I do get challenged from people when I am dining in public. When someone asks me where am I getting my protein, I just ignore them. I have had people ask me 2 or 3 times because I won't acknowledge they are speaking. It is hard to hold your tongue, but it sends a strong message and I find that the person that was doing the asking will never ask me where I am getting my protein again.

There is nothing you have to say to your coworkers. You have nothing to prove to them. It is obvious that they do not agree and that is their choice. Let them live as they choose. You will be living peacefully in your old age, why they are living in misery with their health problems.

[Revvell]

sprstr,

Back in '77 when I became vegetarian I was told by a "friend" that I wouldn't live a year. Well, at one point, I almost believed him. Because of asthma I didn't think I would see 40. I am now 56, have healed myself of the asthma, sciatica, gallstones and infections. People are afraid of what they don't know and can only spout what they've heard. Rarely do they come from experience and even then, take THAT with a grain of pollen cuz usually they aren't telling the whole story.

People who are telling you what you "should" do or how you "should" eat are not interestd in being educated ~ they are interested in controlling you. You might suggest to them that since you don't have any interest in what they eat, they drop their interest in what you eat. If they continue, do some googling of PETA and get a load of information on how wonder-filled meat is for a person. Copy it and drop it on their desks.

You can also search on soy products and their wonders (that's controversial). As far as the "where do you get your protein" question I usually respond "from the food I eat". That usually ends that.

If necessary, look at the person who is speaking. In what condition are they in? Are they the epitome of health? Do they reek (sp?) of cigarette smoke? Drink caffeinated beverages? "Diet" sodas? If so, google caffeine (there've actually been some good discussions on that here, also) and aspartame.

YOU are doing fine and have no need to defend yourself. Congratulations on the weight loss. That is stupendous! What you eat is no one's business. Enjoy yourself and play with your food. :D

Revvell

[Sweet lips]

You did very well. Here is an earlier post on protein that might give you some information: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408&highlight=protein

Yes, while I do have a degree, many times people try to use that as a basis for expertise, however, years ago, a professor told me that a degree means you completed something. I think you have completed something, you have rid yourself of 40 unusable pounds and gain some confidence - I believe. The best defense is to smile at people and just glow as a picture of health.

I find that people don't defend their arrogance, their anger, their narrow mindness, so you don't have to defend your new lease on life. Don't worry, be happy as you celebrate your life the best way for you!

[RawTruth]

sprstr305 - another thing you might consider is not telling people what you're eating. If they comment about you having lost weight, you can always smile sweetly and simply say Thank you, I have. If they ask how you've done it, you merely respond with By eating more healthily. You'll know who it's safe to share with and who it's not. Now that your co-workers see you as their mission, you may have a rough road ahead. Can you nicely tell them to mind their own business? Ha! I doubted it! Well, SamuelWilson's suggestion is really - just don't respond. Not in a rude way, but you can (again) smile and tell them you appreciate their concern, but that you have it handled. (By the way, I know this is off topic, but you are eating way more than just what you've mentioned, aren't you? You want to make sure not to limit yourself. I'm not trying to butt in. I would just go nuts eating only those items for lunch day after day -- jeez, I eat at least 4 times that for lunch!)

Dietitians are part of the medical establishment, the majority of whom have been brainwashed in medical and nursing schools. Nutritionists are taught the "party line" which is exactly what has gotten this country into a situation where the majority of serious diseases suffered by its citizens are a direct result of their diets - diabetes, heart disease, strokes, and yes, cancers. And, one cannot turn on the TV or turn the page of magazine without seeing massive ad campaigns for drugs that people wouldn't need if they would eat raw & living foods (not that I think they need the drugs anyway). I do not take traditional doctors, nurses, or nutritionists seriously, and, after this incident, I hope that you don't either. Well ... unless you slice yourself while cutting up some raw veggies!! Then, a good doctor would come in handy. On an out-patient basis only, of course.

:D

[sprstr305]

Thank you all for your views on this protein thing. I couldn't wait to get up and see if I had some answers. My husband even said that I should pay attention to her since she has a degree, so you see I have to look for support anywhere else. I am eating lots of variety and trying to use Alissas recipes. I do more uncooking on Sun. when I can be home. I have found somethings I don't like but for the most part I find that my taste buds are changing and things taste better to me. The lincs are helpful too. I'm going to read up on this on the weekend. I think all are right when I should just answer "From the food I eat". That would end that. I guess I'm not too quick at thinking on my feet. I feel stronger everyday though. May everyone be blessed for their answers and support!! :)

[sport]

When asked where you get your protien from you can reply " The same place as the gorrilas and elephants and they seem to thrive on it". I believe that most people are consuming far too much protein and the body has to work far too hard to get rid of it. I read an article recently from the guy that co-wrote The China Study which proves that protein feeds cancer tumors.

Lunawitch. Your comment about having to combine foods to get complete proteins. That is something that I read about 25 years ago and as a result have always had wholemael bread with my baked beans but I now believe that it has been thrown out by the more forward thinking people so I would love to know where you are hearing it lately. What does everyone else believe of this.

[Revvell]

I don't "believe" anything. I also read that about 25 years or so ago when Francis Moore Lappe wrote "Diet for a Small Planet" and stated that foods need to be combined to get complete protein. Just in my own experiments on myself and from what I've read, this has been proven to be false as the body does retain amino acids from previous meals and with enough variations in foods, one does NOT need to concern oneself with protein. I, myself have never met anyone I know of to have an illness from lack of protein. In fact, the opposite tends to be the case in numerous situations.

Revvell


Lunawitch. Your comment about having to combine foods to get complete proteins. That is something that I read about 25 years ago and as a result have always had wholemael bread with my baked beans but I now believe that it has been thrown out by the more forward thinking people so I would love to know where you are hearing it lately. What does everyone else believe of this.

[Halo Aglow]

Hi,

I of course, don't know if its "true" or not. That is just what they are teaching at the University of Phoenix Online. I took their Human Nutrition course about 2 months ago. The date on the reference material is 2002.

For me though, either way, if its true or not, you can get enough protein from plants. So I feel good about it either way. And a variety of plant foods ensures all the vitamins and minerals right? So we should be doing that anyway. But that's just the way I see things... I tend to see things in strange weird ways.... :D

[Ariannah]

Frances Moore Lappe later on, herself, realized the same thing, and as a result wrote (in later edition) that simply eating a wide variety of food will result in getting the nutrients you need. Gabriel Cousens also comments on FML's retraction of her original "Diet for a Small Planet"...

[RawTruth]

Yes, it was thought that the amino acids needed to be eaten together to "make" the complete protein. However, that theory was later proved false when it was shown that the body can synthesize different amino acids together even when they're consumed hours or days apart. This is the current theory and has been known -- even among nutritionists -- for many years now. I'm thinking at least 15 years.

So, anyone who is still saying or teaching this is relying on very old information. I'm sure they truly believe they are working from solid truth and are concerned about the health of anyone who deviates from this. I don't think most people are trying to be mean or controlling. They just are solidly inside the box of conventional medical and nutritional thinking.

Heck, even my natural holistic doctor's office sells "nutritional" bars -- when I read the ingredients a few months ago, I pointed out that some of them contained aspartame!! Not to mention being comprised of fractionated foods and added vitamins & minerals, all of which are dead!

We are unique in that we reject the idea that there are prepackaged answers to our body's needs. Well, actually, we have found prepackaged answers = the fruits, vegetables and nuts that God/the Universe/our Higher Power provided for us. Hey, I choose life.

[twinyoga]

Sport, I like your answer! I have to remember that one.

Personally I don't respond. I don't even tell people why I'm choosing a fruit salad for dinner. I just say, "I feel like a fruit salad". If I explain raw to my family (Mom's, Dad's and any older generation), they would flip. But I feel great, and that they do notice! My husband and my friends are very supportive, though. They understand.

Also, regarding the protein, all I know is that I take care of twins all day long and I exercise everyday, and I do yoga, and I cook (uncook), and I shop for the family, and I volunteer....and I have plenty of stamina and energy...especially on raw!

Have a good day, everyone.

[RawTruth]

Debbie, thanks for offering such a great model of a reply. There's no need to open our food choice to scrutiny by strangers (or, as you mentioned, even by our relatives). It's important to protect ourselves so that we can stay positive and confident.

[pfc]

Hey everyone!
I've taken, periodically, to just saying, "Doctor's orders!"
People look at me incredulously, but they immediately back off. I don't resort to it often, but when someone can only see the world from their soap box I dont feel bad about giving them the line, "Well, my doctor recommended it as a means to loosing weight and becoming healthier. S/he is monitoring my progress."
If they continue to argue, unless they are an MD they no longer have the 'degree' to stand on!
Hope it helps...
I also use the 'stongest animals on the planet' defense. It's true too...the stongest ones are all green eaters and mostly vegetarian!
Best to you!

[twinyoga]

I've used the doctor as an excuse too! Actually my doctors know I eat like this and they've run all the blood work and I'm fine...so they're fine. I share that when I get a rude comment.

[Revvell]

Hey everyone!
I've taken, periodically, to just saying, "Doctor's orders!"


Methinks people would fall down laughing if I say that as I don't go to doctors and most everyone who knows me knows that. They'd wonder if my food program made me as intelligent as they think they are with their meat/soda devouring selves.

:D

[Mike]

I eat all 20 amino acids every day so
getting enough protein isn't an issue.

Hemp seeds, spirulina, flax seeds, bee pollen,
Klamath AFA blue-green algae, chlorella, green
vegetable juices, Boutenko green smoothies,
Wigmore energy soup, green pumpkin seeds,
gourmet nut & seed pate, etc... all have every
essential amino acid.

Bee pollen & algae have all 20 amino acids.

[Revvell]

I must be getting what I need without figuring it all out and I don't spend money on chlorella, hemp seeds, spirulina, Klamath blue/green algae or any of the other
xtraspecialsupercalifragilisticexpialidocious products folk wish we'd spend our money on.

For me, I am getting high quality nutrients eating organic fresh produce, and yes, making and drinking green smoothies with FRESH produce ~ as was intended for us. Seem to be doing better than ever soooo, why pay more? Many here cannot afford to purchase gogi berries, hemp seeds, cacao nibs, etc. I'm here to tell you that many, including myself, have healed themselves without all the extras.

What's really funny to me is, before going raw, most people took a one-a-day vitamin. Now that we are raw and getting more high quality nutrients, enzymes from top quality (as folk can afford) produce (which, even when poor quality is better than what most eat), etc., and people STILL expect us to supplement with stuff! Sheesh!

*jumps off the soapbox, runs around the forum a few times ~ and disappears until next time.* :D

Revvell

[sport]

I do believe that if a person wanted to take in too little protein they would find it impossible without actually starving themselves.

[nemo]

it's awfully hard to be 'protien defficient'...

...in the begining i used to go through all he arguments with folks, and talk to them about it, and argue, argue, argue...

...i like the 'doctor's orders' comment, i've used it myself a time or two...

...i also like to pleasantly change the topic.

...failing that i'll pointedly state that the conversation is over.

...and if some fool is still giving me guff...

well...

heh...

i smile oh so sweetly...lots of teeth.... lick my lips...

...and just start laughing at them...

;)

nemo

[Halo Aglow]

Hi,

Needing to eat complementary foods in the "same meal" wasn't taught in my Human Nutrition class. What was taught is that it needs to be eaten in the same day though. So, to me it isn't hard to ensure one is getting all the amino acids. Just eat a lovely varied diet. For me, that comes naturally without any thinking or concern. I love food!

[Universal]

http://www.meetyourmeat.com/



Nothing else needs to be said once u show them this.


PEACE
Universal

[Heather Lynn]

ketosis is an acidic reaction in the body........ eating raw vegan is alkaline she needs to go back and study up eh?
keep up the good work!
heather :D