diabetic type 2 people in here..?

[marc]

what kind off smoothys you guys/gals have.?

and hard to keep your sugar low.?

thanks

marc

[katchmoleen]

When I first started, I was borderline type 2 (no longer am). I followed the guidelines of Gabriel Cousens in his books Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine and There is a Cure For Diabetes. He has a whole set of guidelines about what to eat when. It has sure worked for me. Because I was borderline, I was not quite as strict as he advocated but I saw my blood sugars drop like a rock.

In a nutshell, the first three weeks on his program you do no fruit at all, then you add the lower glycemic fruits like berries, melon, and green apples. He also restricts grains.
He allows moderate amounts of fat in the forms of healthy raw oils, nuts and seeds. He recognizes the difference between cooked fats and raw fats for a patient with heart disease.

That is a very poor synopsis of his program. You really ought to get one of these books if you are going to be raw. It will be freeing for you!

Now that I am no longer borderline, I don't have any restriction, but I tend to limit my fruit and sweets naturally.....just don't have the taste for them anymore.

[marc]

katchmoleen's

have you read the book

dr. neal barnard,s program for
reversing diabetes.

great books and there some section about reversing heart prob to in that book.

marc

[katchmoleen]

I read those books but found the programs too restrictive. Plus I can't eat bread. Plus it is a cooked program. Plus I love raw. :D

[VeGenesis]

Gabriel Cousens in his books There is a Cure For Diabetes.

In a nutshell, the first three weeks on his program you do no fruit at all, then you add the lower glycemic fruits like berries, melon, and green apples. He also restricts grains.
He allows moderate amounts of fat in the forms of healthy raw oils, nuts and seeds. He recognizes the difference between cooked fats and raw fats for a patient with heart disease.



Katch - I didn't know you had that book. In the online vid supplements are mentioned. I always wondered what he suggested for diabetes supplements.

It took me 45 days for the doc to dump my meds, but my focus was on gluten only - the diabetes healing was a bit of a surprise for me. I didn't change my meds at first. I did eat some apples and melons. Bananas actually came in when my meds were reduced. However, I think the bananas have been an important part of my overall healing.

Looking back, I wish I would have never eaten any oil that wasn't natural in food like a couple walnuts or an avocado.

If I could do it again I would more quickly gotten into simple food. One of my greatest joys today is to bite into a whole raw ripe tomato! Cucumbers, apples, pares, tomatoes, a washed carrot, even a stalk of broccoli! The simple act of taking a whole food and just eating it with my hand and mouth has made me feel connected to life in ways it is so hard to explain.

I also restricted beans, which helped my heart.

[marc]

katchmoleen

i did read afew time and i dont see that mutch cooking in there.

just to eat a lot off fruit/veg and almost no oil to dump oil. all off it.

but there is one coking part..about oatmeal...true one not the fast one.,,but its can be just heat not cook.:D..so not realy cooking hahaha.

its hard to foolow something wen we reads books and stuff on the net ,one say one thing the other onother thing and so on.

i am not a 100% raw now..and i am honest not sher i will ever be..becasue i do like hot stuff..like soups..oeatmeal true one (wit cinamon and fruits)etc

marc.but mabe one day.

[marc]

got the there is a cure for diabetes book today frome gabriel cousens.

will see what its all about.

sawsome stuff in there thats been frome my other dr i am reading and pict.

so i gues they all related in some way.


i wish i could have fin there dvd to..will have to order i gues.

marc

[katchmoleen]

I'm so glad Marc! You are obviously a person who looks and looks till you find the answers you are looking for, and I believe that means you will be successful in your quest to restore your health. I am really excited to see what happens in the next few months!

[VeGenesis]

got the there is a cure for diabetes book today frome gabriel cousens.



Marc, the Gabriel Cousens book is quoted on many sites. It is by far very accepted and the basis of the documentary movie Simply Raw.

You may also want to see this blog from a guy who really cured his diabetes. I cured my diabetes with a very similar method.

http://greensmoothiesblog.com/reversing-diabetes/

You will want to see the Simply Raw movies on curing diabetes.

They had a world health day thing here
http://www.rawfor30days.com/RawFor30/World_Diabetes_Day3.html


The main website is here...
http://www.rawfor30days.com/

They has sent us this movie and we will be screening in every week with free admission for people with diabetes in the Philippians RAW-118 Public Library (The first and only raw food library in the Philippines).

Diabetes and Heart Disease

"The real question is how serious are you about this?"

"Of the body you have right now, how much do you want to be healed? 5%? Are you willing to do 'whatever it takes' to heal your diabetes and heart disease? If I tell you the secret of your 'best shot' - you won't do it because you don't want to."

Those were questions that were asked to me by a doctor that believes in healing by food. It woke me up. I have had tons of success with raw food over the last three years. Dozens of others who have followed the RAW-118 Plan I was using have also had success. But it still had improvements for optimum health.

So, here is the REAL answer. Buy these books. Follow them, be healed! That simple!

NOTE: this is not for people who are looking for "better health that taste good." This is for people SERIOUSLY wanting to be healed and/or have an optimum health. These are based on a priority for optimum health and healing. So if authors disagree on some point, the priority book with the lower number would take priority over the book with the higher number. For example, IF (not saying there is!) there is a conflict between the 80/10/10 diet and There is a Cure for Diabetes, then 80/10/10 would take priority.

1) The 80/10/10 Diet - Dr. Douglas N. Graham

Read the Introduction HERE! (http://www.amazon.com/reader/1893831248?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_dp_pop_ex&page=23#reader_1893831248)
This book is really anti-fat. You won't like what it says. But if you are serious about your diabetes and heart disease then you will go there.


2) Grain Damage: Rethinking the High-Starch Diet - Dr. Douglas N. Graham

Read the Introduction HERE! (http://www.amazon.com/reader/1893831051?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_dp_pop_ex&page=15#reader_1893831051)
Read this book and you will never eat oats again!


3) There is a Cure for Diabetes - Dr. Gabriel Cousens, M.D., M.D.H, D.D.

Read the Introduction HERE! (http://www.amazon.com/reader/1556436912?_encoding=UTF8&ref_=sib_dp_pt#reader_1556436912)
Gabriel Cousens has the most comprehensive guide on the planet about reversing diabetes through raw and living foods.


4) Living on Live Food - Alissa Cohen

Read More HERE! (http://www.alissacohen.com/shop/Book-p-1.html)
Raw Food should be fun! Alissa make being Raw a joy!
You may want her DVD (http://www.alissacohen.com/shop/DVD-p-12.html) also.


NOTE: These are based on a priority for optimum health and healing. So if authors disagree on some point, the priority book with the lower number would take priority over the book with the higher number. For example, IF (not saying there is!) there is a conflict between the 80/10/10 diet and There is a Cure for Diabetes, then 80/10/10 would take priority.

[katchmoleen]

The conflict between 811 and Gabriel Cousens comes in the first few weeks or months of the program. Cousens concentrates on getting those numbers down and getting everyone off their meds. He starts his diabetic retreats with a green juice fast of one week (that was not in the movie but is a recent addition). If you have seen the movie, you will remember the elderly man that was most severely ill, on 16 medications, two bypasses (if I remember correctly), with neuropathy so bad he actually cooked his foot on a heating pad and didn't even know it. Within TWO WEEKS he was OFF all medication including insulin, with normal blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugars. By the end of the month, he was doing yoga, JOGGING, and CLIMBING MOUNTAINS! His success was staggering and astounding.

Blood sugars continue to be monitored and fruits can be added back in as tolerated. He concentrates on blood sugar because all the heart disease damage is caused by high insulin and blood sugar levels. So by curing one you cure the other. He does not advocate high fat, but he does allow some good fats.

He has a proven and astounding track record with diabetics. I would not hesitate to place him number ONE on any list for diabetic healing.

[katchmoleen]

Should also add that the Hippocrates Institute has a long and esteemed history of helping people overcome life threatening illnesses, including cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc. I don't know a lot about what they do allow (I know it involves wheatgrass) but they do NOT allow sweet fruit for the duration of the healing period. So the idea that you MUST eat fruit in order to heal would seem false.

Admittedly I don't know alot about 811, but the thought of eating tons of fruit is actually nauseating to me! I love my veggies! As time goes on I eat less nuts and oils, but I don't plan on giving them up altogether. But in the face of life threatening illness, I would definitely look at ALL these plans, including 811, and go with what made the most sense to me.

[marc]

katchmoleen

thanks again..always great comment.

i do think all the way veg to start until the sugar get down is the best way to go frome all what i am reading all over.

but man get rid off sutch great tasty fruit..is realy hard...those fruit is what make those smooty better to enjoy at least for me.

in some site i see there pushing fruits..but most off those people i have read dont have diabetes or heart prob...there like atthlete running all over..ahahah so they might burn so mutch ev=nergy they need those extra fruit for sher. and they will burn those sugars.
but for somebody that start like me..to mutch fruit might not be a good choice.


as a diabetes the sugar as to go down...to escape all the troble it bring to us.

so veg is the way to go.

as the weight goes down mabe the diabetes might let go off me will see. then for more fruits.


thanks again.

marc

[katchmoleen]

A little stevia in those smoothies will help!

Also, you may want to get the companion cookbook by Gabriel Cousens called Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine. It has a TON of recipes from plain to fancy. And they are all categorized by what phase of the program they fit into. So if you are in phase one, you can look at a recipe and know exactly if it is ok for you. I use it a lot, it is my second favorite next to Alissa's book.

[Green_Woman]

I second the vote on getting Cousen's book: it's my second most-used recipe book, as well! And eventually I hope to put my fiance through Phase One as we work to heal his Candida 100%... right now we're not sure he's healed completely, and so we've had to back off the trigger foods.

[Xanadu]

Marc, my husband is a severe diabetic. type 2 - when it was first discovered 10 years ago it was too high for the doctor's instruments to measure. He went on Atkins which worked but was too hard to stick to. I later found raw and Alissa and then Gabriel Cousens and got certified by Alissa while my husband studied everything Gabriel Cousens wrote and had me prepare his food accordingly - as long as he stays on the diet his blood sugar is in normal ranges for a non-diabetic, he has lost over 50 pounds, his arthritis is gone, his cholesterol, blood pressure and pulse are that of a teenager (57 years old) according to his doctor, his depression is gone, he feels great, and he recovered from a severe head injury (like the movie star Natasha Richardson who died - my husband was worse) and resultant brain surgery in January with the complication of an inherited bleeding disorder, so much better than the normal head injury patients that the doctors want to write a medical journal about him - it was our family sneaking in his green smoothies (non-fruit) in, my refusing him eating hospital food and scouting out raw stuff in the cafeteria for him and his pre-accident raw low-carb diet and general fitness that did it. Admittedly he has been jogging since his diagnoses with diabetes (started out with one minute out and one back and gradually worked up to an hour a day and two hours on Sunday). I do his smoothies with the equivalent of a large tomato, a large handful of a different kind of greens each day, two tablespoons of flax seeds, the inside of a whole lemon, spirulina, powdered vitamin C, a little fresh ginger root, 1 cup water and 6 ice cubes, 1/2 teaspoon sea salt. It ends up tasting like V8. I use any recipes from Alissa's books that fit the Phase one ingredients in Cousens' book and also a lot of Cousens' recipes for him. Oh and if you need even more motivation in addition to Alissa's book and Cousens to go raw and not eat meat, read The China Study by Colin Campbell, Susan Shenck's book the Live Food Factor and Victoria Boutenko's book 12 Steps to Raw. Hope this helps.

[VeGenesis]

I hope to put my fiance through Phase One as we work to heal his Candida 100%... right now we're not sure he's healed completely, and so we've had to back off the trigger foods.

Green_Woman - I saw two of Graham's YouTube Vids on Candida on the Renegade Show. He teaches that oil is the real culprit in Candida. I had chronic Candida problems, for time I could measure in decades. I tried all the natural remedies from garlic to yogurt (pre-raw) to low carbs and even meat only! Nothing got it gone for more than a week or two.

But honestly it seemed like foolishness so I didn't pay Graham any mind - then!

Then I did the liver cleanse disaster and the oil really smacked my heart down (to a doctor demanding that by not allowing an emergency heart by-pass my wife was killing me!). After the Olive Oil the Candida problem also seemed to explode. It seemed small at the time, compared to feeling like the world trade center had just crashed into my chest and was choking the life out of me.

Since oil was causing my heart problem, I stopped ALL oil and the starch/oil in reproductive plant parts (grains, seeds, nuts, beans). Not only did it clear up my Angina faster, but the Candida disappeared and never came back!

I recommended it to 4 others in our little Philippine "eating without heating" group who also have had chronic Candida problems, and ALL have resolved their Candida with low fat Raw. I know five people is not that much, but for our group it is 10% and it is also 100% of the people with Candida problems!

I don't think anyone really recommends high fat. There are some who say low fat works - it really worked for me - and some that say it doesn't matter. So it might be worth a look for someone suffering.

Please note that I did not say NO fat. I eat half a kilo of greens in two green smoothies daily that gives me about 5-15 grams of omega-3's. Likewise I eat one young coconut each day - not known as a very low fat food. Some days I split an Avocado with my wife - instead of the young coconut.

If someone has diabetes and/or candida, I would recommend they think about trying low fat for a couple months and see if they can heal - I did!

By the way - I am now eating a lot more fruit carbs than I ever did and no problems with the Candida coming back. Our little group thinks Candida is more of a starch/oil problem than a carb problem. All of us healed when we removed the grain/beans/oil connection (not very prehistoric for those thinking about the natural man) and replaced it with low fat fruits and veggies (very "natural man" food).

I also notice that people who say they have a fruit carb problem with Candida are always the ones that insist they need more oil and/or grain.

If you are low fat;
and you are no reproductive plant parts (no grains, no seeds, no nuts, no beans - basically the starch/oil connection);
and you have a healthy amount of greens in your diet;
and you still have a carb problem with Candida - then I would like to know you!

We (our Philippine group) have postulated this cannot be!

The reproductive plant parts are not needed by any reputable research we can find. In fact reproductive plant parts are not even present in a number of cultures!

Of course this is about Candida and healing and health. It does not take into account how to make your favorite raw dessert or make your tasty nut milks, butters and creams! :eek:

We have to recognize and embrace that different people are here for different reasons and with different goals and with different bodies I am so glad you do not have my body - where would I be without it! :D

[marc]

why......removed the grain/beans

i need a bit more info on this..becasue i do eat beans and i love it..it full me up and its tasty. i eat a lot off them to in the past 2 week cold and mix.

marc

[Green_Woman]

I don't think anyone really recommends high fat.

Agreed there... Alissa certainly doesn't, though in the past there've been those who 'accuse' her of it. No doubt, they haven't read her book!!!

[marc]

thanks xanadu.

and great to see your husban doing so great.


about the..The China Study ..i baught it 2 weeks ago and itsin my best book i got i love it.

and for fruits..the more i read the less i should eat it...for at least now..until i get better sugar and loose weight.

thanks again.

marc

[VeGenesis]

Alissa certainly doesn't, though in the past there've been those who 'accuse' her of it. No doubt, they haven't read her book!!!

Really? I have not seen any post accusing Alissa of promoting high fat, either here or elsewhere. I have not read her book - I do hope someone will donate a copy to the Philippine Raw Library so I can read it! But from what I have read on line, nothing came across as Alissa promoting high fat. Either here or on other raw sites I've visited.

Some of her dishes have more fat than I would eat or recommend myself, but it is usually a dessert and common sense would dictate that a rich dessert food should be a celebration thing. In all my travels I have never met any person who ate nothing but ice cream! In fact my brother once told me that "health food" makes him sick and that he would NEVER eat anything raw! I pointed to the bananas in the banana split he was eating!

:eek: RAW BANANAS!

There are some people on this site who dangerously promote "eat anything as long as it is raw". I say dangerously because, as Graham points out, SOME people end up as 60% High Fat Raw. Obviously ridiculous!

I think most people end up somewhere between 5-20% The China study and others seem to point to the 5% as better than the 20% in optimum health. But most people switching from SAD to a 20% fat 100% Raw would notice a huge improvement!

Just like switching from a SAD meat eater or meaty pizza lover to 85% raw would likewise show a huge improvement! I did that before being 100% raw, before being simple raw, before being no grain raw, before being low fat raw, before being seedless raw! I am better now than anytime in the last decade - but I consider myself to still be in transition! And I do not feel that I have given up anything (other than 232 lbs and a lot of sickness!).

These are choices we make. Each choice has a result or consequence. I worked with a young man who said he didn't want to get old or middle aged so he only ate red meat - nothing else! Beef, pork, whatever but meat. He said he did not want to live past 40 and laughed and called it his die-it! We both worked for the phone company and one day didn't bring in his service truck - so we went out looking for him. We found him, dead at the top of a telephone pole. Heart attack at age 25. His choice and he got what he wanted. It was tragic for his wife and children, but in retrospect it almost seems a little funny because they served steak and pork chops at his wake in his honor, but no one seemed hungry.

Being 20% fat and raw is obviously much better than being a 20% fat meat and cooked food eater. Some people may decide they need 20% fat for their taste buds to remain raw. Taste is a huge issue to some people. For other the prep of gourmet dishes may be the key to a healthier lifestyle away from SAD. Still other may be seeking sports performance, or optimum health, fighting a disease, or added longevity and not care at all about gourmet food or taste! As I once said...


"There are as many reasons to go raw as there are people - and as many ways too!"

[marc]

again why the no grain and beans.?

you sher are full off great info.

but i did not read mutch on this no grain and beans thing mutch.

would be nice to no what you no about this.:D;)

thanks again.

marc

[Green_Woman]

Really? I have not seen any post accusing Alissa of promoting high fat, either here or elsewhere. I have not read her book - I do hope someone will donate a copy to the Philippine Raw Library so I can read it! But from what I have read on line, nothing came across as Alissa promoting high fat. Either here or on other raw sites I've visited.

She talks about it in the "About RAW Foods" portion of this forum... are you able to order books online and have them shipped to the Philippines, at all??

[katchmoleen]

I would definitely say for people just starting out, to eat anything as long as it is raw. That is so freeing and it really works. I probably had that hi of fat some days my first few months! But I still lost lots of weight. Now I don't seem to want or need much fat, but I still have it if I want it. Too many rules are so offputting for people just starting, especially if they don't have major health problems as a motivator. I think over time if they stay raw and learn to listen to their bodies, they will adjust their intake accordingly. But you know what? I still think a 60% fat RAW diet is healthier than a junk food SAD diet!

[anniez]

I, too, was a Type 2 diabetic and reversed it by going raw. I've read that fruit sugar is not the problem when the entire fruit is eaten. And I've also read that fat is more implicated in Type 2 diabetes than fruit. At any rate, I eat only fruit until noon. My sugar levels are great and I hardly ever have any cravings for SAD foods. A couple of weeks ago I was craving oranges, so I ate some! I made some of Alissa's breads using sprouted wheat, and after some of those I got strong cravings for cookies! I haven't eaten any of the bread since - that was a couple of days ago. I will try some again today and see what happens. Raw is just too good a lifestyle!

Annie

[marc]

i do the same. here fruit in morning. or the lates in my lunch smoothy then have all day to use those sugars.

i dont eat all kind of fruit now.

banana...apple..and little bluebery/rasbery..blackbery..ok those pepper and tomato to.

i tes myself more..if i can control it i will eat them if it get out offf control i will have to let go more fruit. for now until i loose more weight and get more control over all off this.

thanks for comments

marc