Liver Cleanse Information Needed?

[VeGenesis]

The Liver Cleanse

I am really very interested in this Liver Cleanse. I hope some of you will answer my many questions.

I have Celiac Disease with massive destruction of my small intestines. Over 52 years of non treatment / abuse of gluten & cooked foods has led to multiple serious and life threatening illnesses.

For more than 30 years I fought off illnesses. I have always been interested in the food aspect of health and have tried nearly everything. Somethings helped but nothing really worked. I had so many diseases that when people ask for a list I always forget a number of them.

I was actually preparing to die.

Just over 2 years ago, a comment from a friend with a sick son, and a 2 page health magazine article convinced me that I had Celiac Disease. It took a lot to get tested, doctors flatly told me I didn't have it - but the tests proved I did. I started my current journey to rid my life of gluten - I finally had an enemy to fight. It started with the elimination of my daily normal lunch, two family sized meat lovers pizzas with extra cheese from pizza hut. The crust has gluten. Today I am 308 pounds and what is still called morbidly obese. I weighed 220 more back then...

For those that live in the USA or other countries that have any serious labeling laws, being gluten free is extremely hard! Within six months I discovered the being gluten free in the Philippines is just one hair away from totally impossible. In exasperation I told my wife that the only way I could be really gluten free was to ban gluten from my house, repaint our kitchen, wash every dish and pan in our home in steamy water a dozen times and then only eat fresh fruits and veggies.

My Honeybun loves me. She told me we would fight this together. Every gram of gluten in our house was discarded. Every pan, dish and plate was washed and washed and washed - or thrown out! Our landlord had frequently told us that we were the best tenants she ever had, and we liked her and liked where we lived. But Percy called her and told her because of my illness we needed the kitchen repainted, or we would have to move. The painters magically arrived asking what color we would like. This was serious business and the ONLY thing we could do to fight my death.

I tell you all this to let you know how serious was my health problems.

Diabetes
Very High Blood Pressure
Cardio Vascular Diseases
An Enlarged Heart
Angina
Celiac Disease
Dermatitis Herpetiformis
"Gastrointestinal yeast overgrowth" - yeast infection
Super High "Bad" Cholesterol
"Off the Charts" Triglycerides ("Who sent your Triglycerides on a rocket-ship to the moon?" Asked by a lab tech!)
Morbid Obesity (528lbs)
Inoperable Brain Aneurysm
Gout
Sleep Apnea
Leaky gut syndrome
Tremendous pain in my abdomen
Small bowel bacterial overgrowth syndrome (SBBOS)
Systemic candidiasis
Painful Bloating
Stomach Ulcer and "watermelon striping" (red marks inside my Stomach)
Erectile dysfunction
Thrush
Painful bleeding Hemorrhoids
Emotional problems with names as far reaching as depression and paranoia!

I had spent 4 months in a mental hospital diagnosed with Schizophrenia (3% of Celiacs have this symptom from a gluten reaction).
Every afternoon about 3 pm I would be angry bordering on rage (Celiac Rage as a reaction to gluten is well documented in 20%.) Understand that during these gluten times, if someone left a light on I would take my cane and smash it to pieces. Yelling was a daily afternoon event. (Note: My wife is a superwoman who loves me, deserves a metal for putting up with my illness, and will freely tell people that she got a new husband the day I stopped eating gluten! I heard her tell someone that I haven't yelled in over a year!).

I know this list is NOT complete. It is rather personal and painful to even admit. I am very serious about eating Alive Food! It gave me a new life. I spent over six months NEVER getting out of bed once. Today I have 3-5 hours a day out of bed! In all this no doctor of mine ever mentioned Celiac Disease nor Raw Food.

The thought that to get rid of gluten I needed to buy fresh fruits and vegetables was spurred on by three Bible verses I happened to come across. Those seemed to me to show 1) A time people started to cook. 2) A time people started to eat meat. 3) A plan, a design, by which people were designed to eat what is called here "live food" or a raw vegan diet.

I figured that "predigesting" or cooking, played some roll in short circuiting the design. However, having Celiac - eating raw food HURTS. I found I could better eat fruit that veggies. I made a slight error and became a raw fruitarian for a year. My health did improve above what is listed above... my meds for diabetes, heart diseases and gout were all reduced. By B.P. had dropped too... but I drastically loss muscle mass due to a list of real problems in my diet. My doctor convinced me (and was correct) that I was not eating what I needed to replace the protein, iron, copper, calcium and Vitamins D, B-12 and others. I started to eat cooked food again to get these.

Up to this time all I did was based on my own ideas (plus a few Bible verses). The only sympathy I got was from some India friends. This was all "Against Medical Advice" I fired my doctor and walk to a neighbor (Doctor) who years before had told me to eat fruit and veggies at a un health related event.

My friend, with no internet knowledge, challenged me to see if there were any other "crazy people" in the world that were "eating uncooked veggies for their lifestyle to cure their diabetes" - that was the only disease he really understood. I typed into Google "Diabetes raw food lifestyle." The first thing I saw was the documentary Simply Raw - CURE Diabetes in 30 days.

I was very sick, but I was NOT insane!

My Celiac reacted to the raw food violently. Constipation alternated with painful diarrhea. But I stuck to it and pushed through. 45 days later, Dr. Mike, as I call him, removed my last diabetes medicine. Later he would tell me I was really cured and stop testing my blood sugar all the time!

This is not easy for me to write or admit in public, but I really have some serious questions about this Liver Cleanse and I want serious answers.

My health is greatly improved today. The tremulousness pain I suffered before (Angina, Gout and Celiac are not fun!) is now "just" a pain in my right abdomen, pain in my back and pain in my upper arm muscles and shoulder. I am very pleased with this small amount of pain - most lab tech cannot believe I no longer take pain meds. I retired my walking cane.

Ok, the questions...


I thought it would be a good time to add a liver flush. I have been having twinges in my gb area from time to time. I have never had a full blown attack.

Katch, what does "twinges in my gb area" feel like? I have pain that feels like someone slugged me just at the bottom of where my stomach organ is. The pain gets worse and gets better but rarely goes away.


You can put your apple smoothie into a nut mylk bag (or paint strainer bag from a hardware store) and squeeze out the juice. Compost the pulp... and voila... you have apple juice.

Thanks Aleesha - I find I spend most of my away from home time at the produce department and at the hardware store (building a sprout stand)!


Lan, the liver flush....loo up Hulda Clark Liver flush recipe...there you will find all you need.


there is a link right on this site, though why it is not edited to remove the cooked food references, I don't know.:confused:
Anyway it is:
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?p=255204#post255204

I am obviously not doing the cooked foods and actually plan to just fast on raw apple juice. I figure a gallon of apple juice should be enough calories!

I did look it up. Besides the link from Katch that is posted on this site, I found the original.
http://www.drclark.net/en/cleanses_clean-ups/liver_cleanses/liver_cleanse.php

One on Cure Zone
http://curezone.com/clark/liver_original.asp

And a cure zone critical review that exposes some errors...
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

I really appreciate this last link as it offers suggestions on alternatives. For example, I haven't seen a grapefruit in the Philippines in about a decade! Grapefruit and its cousin pomello both cause me a great amount of pain in the kidney area.

I will try this with either sour pineapple or calamansi.


why it is not edited to remove the cooked food references, I don't know.:confused:

I am obviously not doing the cooked foods

I noticed the cooked food reference too...

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal, fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk).

It seemed funny that Alissa would post to eat... "cooked cereal" and "bread and preserves" - I understand now that these were just copied.

[VeGenesis]

I ... actually plan to just fast on raw apple juice. I figure a gallon of apple juice should be enough calories!

None of the Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D. sites mention a fast on apple juice. Alissa's post was edited to add a day 1-6...


For 1- 6 Days preceding the liver cleanse, stimulate bile flow by beginning each morning with drinking the juice of half a lemon mixed with 1 Tablespoon of olive in warm/hot water. Better still liquidize and drink the juice plus the pith of one whole lemon and the olive oil in warm/hot water. (This contains a good supply of pectin and so can reduce the amount of apple juice required if preferred. During the course of the rest of the day drink one litre of apple juice (or one pint if having lemon pith). The pectin will soften the stones to enable an easy passage. Eat and drink normally.


That doesn't really say an apple juice fast and limits the apple juice to a liter, not a gallon.

Years ago as a cooked vegan, I tried a gallbladder cleanse and drank something like a gallon of bottled apple juice a day for a week, and then some oil if I remember correctly. Anyway it didn't seem to work.

Katch - Do you mean you are going to fast for 6 days on nothing but a gallon of apple juice per day? Why did you decide to do an apple juice fast?

Apples here are very expensive and sometimes very hard to find here. I doubt I could do that with raw apples juice.

Does anyone have a raw tropical fruit juice replacement for the apple juice fast?

The other sites are not raw food sites and just recommend "apple juice" or an "apple juice fast" to soften the stones. I am really starting to believe that gallbladder / liver stones is a part of my problem. So if no tropical fruit replacement for apple juice is available, would it be worth going "off raw" and use bottled apple juice for the liver cleanse? Thinking of the bottled apple juice as a "medicine" to be taken only during a liver cleanse?

[LNdolls]

Serious answers to some of your liver flush questions.

Malic acid is what softens and shrinks the stones in the liver.. and the sludge and toxins as well.. and allows them to pass on out when you flush. It is available in apples, pears, apple juice, apple cider, apple cider vinegar and you can get capsules of malic acid to take with your meals to prepare for a liver flush. A juice fast is not required, but the addition of malic acid to the daily diet for a week or more will help get a productive flush.

I do the flush now with a combination of lemon and orange juice rather than grapefruit.. it masks the taste of the olive oil so well. I have done well over 30 flushes with great success.

To pass stones most easily the body needs magnesium.. epsom salts taken a couple hours before the oil and juice mixture helps relax the bile ducts to pass the stones painlessly and easily. It also clears out the colon so you get to feel them pass and see them in the toilet - mostly they float and seeing them is big fun!

I found that simply eating high or 100% raw shrank the stones and loosened them a lot, so a flush while raw usually reaped lots of stones for me. And after eating raw for a few months I needed to flush, as the amount of stones loose and ready to pass felt like pressure around the liver/gall bladder.. and the relief afterwards was amazing and great.

I had two long and painful gall stone attacks.. they both felt like an intense tightness across the bottom of my ribs - stationary pain - not at all below the waist. With increasing nausea and pressure in the lower chest area. Vomiting did not help. I know now that if I have that pain again I can take some epsom salts in water.. if the pain goes away, and it always has, it was a gall stone stuck in the duct.
If I have sharp pains in my left shoulder, that can also indicate the need to flush. Now, after much cleansing the feeling of needing a flush is much subtler - pressure or heat in the liver area(right side under the ribs or in the back at the same level) or crankiness. If I have a temper.. I know it is time for a flush.

I do a simple recipe to flush...
get a couple quarts of apple juice and drink one that day, use the other to chase the epsom salts
Stop eating at 2
take 1 T epsom salts in a glass of water and chase with apple juice at 8
take 1/4-1/2 c olive oil with easily double that amount of either grapefruit juice or a blend of juice from 2 oranges & 1 lemon at 10
take the same olive oil mix again at 11 and go to bed or watch a movie and then go to bed
Take another does of the epsom salts and chase with apple juice at 6 the next morning or when you get up
you can eat 2 hours later

For my first flushes I used a strainer in the toilet and took pics of the stones. I was so proud and so relieved!!
My family has a history of liver/gall bladder problems. I have avoided surgery completely.

Pineapple and papaya are both GREAT for cleansing the liver/gall bladder.

[VeGenesis]

Thanks LN for the tips. I've looked more into this and I think this is my next step in my journey. I'm also about 99% sure this is causing at lease part of my major pains at this time.

The tip on Malic acid - I will be looking for what can be purchased here.

Do you think I can use virgin organic cold pressed coconut oil instead of olive oil?

[stellaJewels]

Hey VeG - I did the flush once with Olive Oil/grapefruit juice and once with Coconut Oil/Apple cider, with totally different results. You can read on curezone why not to use coconut oil to flush stones (liver/GB metabolize it differently than Olive Oil). I got stones out with olive oil and got massive candida/parasites out with the coconut oil. As stones are not my primary problem and candida/parasites are, I'd say which oil to use depends on what you want to accomplish with the flush. I HIGHLY recommend the coconut oil/apple cider flush to anyone with issues like mine. I feel like I cleaned out a lot of junk and my digestion has greatly improved since i did the flush about 10 days ago. This is what I did:

Fasted all day
6pm - 1 cup Apple cider (i put cinnamon and cardamom in it)
8pm - 1 cup cider plus 1 TB epsom salt
10pm - 3/4 cup cider/grapefruit juice mixed with 1/2 cup coconut oil. Lie down in bed immediately on right side with right knee pulled up to chest
6am - 1 cup cider plus 1 TB epsom salt
8am - 1 cup spiced cider

I found this on curezone, but the person who posted it added 4 tsp Epsom salt with each cup of cider. I'm really skinny and can't tolerate that much epsom so i cut it down to 1 TB at night and 1 TB in the morning. I still can't believe how much junk came out of me. I plan on doing this again very soon...

Good luck!

[katchmoleen]

Can you tell me what you "saw" with the coconut oil? since the oil doesn't really get metabolized by the liver (just the large amount of oil in the intestine stimulates the gall bladder to release large amounts of bile and the stones come out with it) in the mechanism of the flush, it makes me wonder about the claims that the stones are really just olive oil and epsom salt combined somehow. Really, ANY oil should work in theory, as it is just the fat doing its job on the GB????

VG, I just decided to do the apple juice fast because I am already doing a green smoothie fast and figured it would be a good time to get cleaned out. There are endless variations on the flush, and one I have read says 1 gallon of apple juice. I figure the more malic acid the better. But on the other hand, that IS a lot of apples! Wonder how many apples it will take to make 1 gallon of juice?

[stellaJewels]

Hey katch - this is a gross share but... I saw lots of white rice looking stuff, mucous strings, candida clouds, old poo, and some weird things that I think were flukes or some other kind of parasite. I definitely felt a gurgling in my liver/GB area after drinking the coconut oil, but it was different than with the olive oil, so I'm not sure if the oils process differently; they're supposed to, but who knows...

With the olive oil i got some large-ish stones, but I think the rest was just the olive oil. I read on curezone too about a guy who added beet juice and red dye to his olive oil mix and when he laid the 'stones' in the sun they melted into oil with red dye/beet juice in the middle. But he had done many flushes so he may not have had any stones left. Like I said, stones aren't my main problem, but since i have liver tumors and digestion problems, i thought i'd try a flush. For me personally, the coconut oil was what i needed.

Good luck with your flush! What day are you doing it? I may join you and we can compare notes in graphic detail and gross everyone out! :p

[katchmoleen]

Kewl! :D I would love to get stuff like that out! :eek: Maybe I will do serial flushes, one with olive oil and one with coconut. I just read about a person who did NOT use the espoms and still got lots of stones out, so I do think it is legit.

[katchmoleen]

Here is roughly the cleanse I am following, except that I am NOT drinking straight olive oil followed by straight lemon juice (gag) but rather grapefruit and olive oil combined:
http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/cleansingorsurgeryinfo.htm

[rawrawks]

I saw the claim that the "stones" are the olive oil congealed or whatever. These stones that I have had, when compared to pictures of stones seen in removed gall bladders are the same. And people have had their olive oil flush results analyzed and the stones are actual stones not olive oil residue.

I beleive this flush is th emost profound for ones health.

I love the look of my skin on my face the next day and my lightness and mental clarity.

[Soldier Girl]

This is very interesting. I'm going to start flushing SOON! I know I have candida/parasites so I'll need to start there first.

My question - how do you make raw apple cider? What's the difference between apple juice and apple cider? I have TONS of apples in my fridge that I need to do something with.

Thanks for all the information!

~Debbie

[katchmoleen]

Oh I am just making apple juice with my juice. I don't think there is a difference.

[rawrawks]

Hmmmmm I know the farm near my house years ago made apple cider. It is a special process and it actually presses the apples....well chews them all up first then they go into a big press that squeezes them. The process maybe is what makes it taste all different. I don tlike apple juice but apple cider is spectacular. They are two different things.

Tons of apples...apple juice yes or applesauce..ooo soooo good. Apple pie or apple crisp...all kinds of things...yummmmmm

[Soldier Girl]

Well yes I thought they were different. I usually love apple cider but don't care for apple juice. I wonder if adding just a tich of apple cider vinegar and a cinnamon stick to the apple juice...? I don't know...I think I can handle either one if I know it's purifying my body and getting rid of THE NASTIES!!! Ewwww....the thought of that STUFF inside me :eek:

Yep I'm going to start SOON! Parasites first...then liver.

I checked out some of thise websites. I have no money right now so I can't buy any products, as good as they sound. I am so excited to know that I can cleanse/detox without having to spend money on anything but what I normally buy at the grocery store. :D

[Raw Angel Mom]

Hey VeG - I did the flush once with Olive Oil/grapefruit juice and once with Coconut Oil/Apple cider, with totally different results. You can read on curezone why not to use coconut oil to flush stones (liver/GB metabolize it differently than Olive Oil). I got stones out with olive oil and got massive candida/parasites out with the coconut oil. As stones are not my primary problem and candida/parasites are, I'd say which oil to use depends on what you want to accomplish with the flush. I HIGHLY recommend the coconut oil/apple cider flush to anyone with issues like mine. I feel like I cleaned out a lot of junk and my digestion has greatly improved since i did the flush about 10 days ago. This is what I did:

Fasted all day
6pm - 1 cup Apple cider (i put cinnamon and cardamom in it)
8pm - 1 cup cider plus 1 TB epsom salt
10pm - 3/4 cup cider/grapefruit juice mixed with 1/2 cup coconut oil. Lie down in bed immediately on right side with right knee pulled up to chest
6am - 1 cup cider plus 1 TB epsom salt
8am - 1 cup spiced cider

I found this on curezone, but the person who posted it added 4 tsp Epsom salt with each cup of cider. I'm really skinny and can't tolerate that much epsom so i cut it down to 1 TB at night and 1 TB in the morning. I still can't believe how much junk came out of me. I plan on doing this again very soon...

Good luck!


When you say fast all day, do you mean no water either?

What is spiced cider. What is cider plus?
Glad that it works well for you.

[stellaJewels]

You can just leave apple juice out and covered with cloth to make it turn into cider (Sandor Katz calls it Spontaneous Cider), but not sure about the alcohol content so I just used store bought that's pasteurized. Wish I could find it raw but no apple growers locally...:(

Cinnamon and Cardamom are supposed to be anti-candida and anti-parasite, and I love them so I added them to my cider. Sooo tasty!

As for fasting, I just drank water and a little kombucha all day. Probably why the spiced cider tasted so good!

[Raw Angel Mom]

You can just leave apple juice out and covered with cloth to make it turn into cider (Sandor Katz calls it Spontaneous Cider), but not sure about the alcohol content so I just used store bought that's pasteurized. Wish I could find it raw but no apple growers locally...:(

Cinnamon and Cardamom are supposed to be anti-candida and anti-parasite, and I love them so I added them to my cider. Sooo tasty!

As for fasting, I just drank water and a little kombucha all day. Probably why the spiced cider tasted so good!

Thank you, i am going to try that.