What is your raw cholesterol ?

[freelive]

I am curious, because I had a stroke and my arteries and heart is perfect, but doctors still want to put me on cholesterol meds, because they say that I should have bad cholesterol no higher than 70 and good one 60 or more.
I am wondering, if you had it measured while eating raw, what are your numbers and after how long on raw?

[RawKnitster]

On my previous stint of raw I had blood tests done for a life insurance policy done after one year raw.

HDL (good) was 68. Usual range is 35-80
LDL (bad) was 99. Usual range is 0-129
LDL/HDL ratio was 1.46 Usual range is 0.9-5.3

Whatever that all means it was good enough. I was approved for the life insurance policy.

This time on raw I had a blood test done was at 9 months raw. Cholesterol was 214, 14 points higher than they like to see, but still pretty good. I was told exercise would lower it. The Doc wasn't too concerned because my HDL (the good stuff) was on the high end at 59.


Unless standards have changed since then your Doc has pretty strict standards. They are obviously looking at your situation a bit differently.

[Revvell]

I don't know. I don't go to doctors. I don't trust their guidelines, their tests or their stats.

[DebB]

My last draw was 02-09 - about 6 months high raw then 5 weeks all raw.

Total 146
HDL 48
LDL 86

I get it drawn again at the end of the month, so I'm really curious to see what the numbers do after being all raw since December '08.

[katchmoleen]

DO NOT let them put you on cholesterol medication. That is ridiculous. The most used drugs, the statins, have a lot of side effects, and are especially hard on the liver. We use them a lot in the jail and end up having to take many people off of them because their liver enzymes go up. Better to just take some omega fatty acid supplements. They have no side effects and will raise HDL and lower triglycerides.

The whole cholesterol crisis is really a myth. The guidelines used to be much higher till the statin drugs were invented, then suddenly the guidelines dropped drastically so that more people would "qualify" to be placed on them. Here is a link (http://www.thepeopleschemist.com/view_learning.php?learning_id=11)with some info, but if you google "cholesterol myth" there is tons of info out there. :mad:

[gabriele]

I'm not sure if this will help you or not since you're looking for statistics. But i work in an ER and 2 years ago, from drinking too much coffee, in the middle of my SAD days (which was my whole life until 3 months ago), i developed palpitations and feelings of not being able to catch my breath, it really rattled me. I told one of the nurses who works with me and she took me straight into the ER.

To make a long story short, i ended up having a cardiac catheterization where they found "mild heart disease" which is not what they were looking for, they were looking for something that showed up on the sonogram which turned out to be a false reading.

The cardiologist group that i went to, a very respected group, he put me on a statin drug, aspirin, and a blood pressure lowering drug despite the fact that i didn't have high blood pressure. At the time, i was about 50 pounds overweight, and he did not mention ONE SINGLE WORD about diet or exercise, and especially (of course) not one word about diet.

I went home and got online, and literally did almost 2 years of research and reading on the internet and never had the prescription filled nor did i ever go for a follow up visit.

Katchmoleen is so very right, the entire issue of cholesterol has been fabricated, it is a vital, vital part of the body, your liver makes it, and a cholesterol that is too low is actually dangerous. What's bad is the cholesterol you get from animal foods including milk, cheese and all the rest. Statin drugs are extremely harmful to your liver, also your brain causing global amnesia and muscle disease. There are a million articles online that detail this. Doctors work with drug companies and it is a culture and education that only believes that drugs cure diseases, which is a total joke since ALL the diseases of modern man, cancer, diabetes, stroke, heart disease - NONE of them are cured by drugs.

It is a scary thing to contradict your doctor or to decide to go it alone. I have doubted myself a lots of times and it's worse for anyone, like me, who works in a hospital surrounded by doctors and nurses who have been trained in a drug-based culture who laugh at any suggestion that your body and excellent nutrition might actually be able to cure a person. My thoughts on the horrors of the flu vaccine are laughed at. Everyone is getting them at work.

Anyway, i hope this helps you a little.

[katchmoleen]

BTW, I forgot to answer your original question. My cholesterol has always been borderline high by the medical guidelines, around 205-210, but my HDL has always been good, greater than 50, so I never worried about it. After being raw only 5 days, I coincidentally had to have a checkup for our insurance, and my cholesterol was 187! Under 200 for the first time in my life! I was really shocked that raw vegan had that effect so quickly. So I am curious to see what it is in February when my workplace has its health fair. My mom is on statins. Her cholesterol was over 400 and she is very conventional in her medical approach. She weighs 120 pounds soaking wet but is on a zillion pills.

[rawrawks]

I dont know and am not one bit interested. ALways had great scores when I did get a finger prick at a wellness fair.

Be well.

[divaitalia]

I have been on meds now for high cholesterol, diabetes for 5 years on and off. I go on and off them and still in my gut don't think it's right to be on these meds. Too much info that tells us otherwise.

I went to a new endocronologist and the first thing she told me was that I needed 4 vitamins. (you are going to die when you hear this, I almost did). Statins, metformin, aspirin and A1C inhibitors(blood pressure meds for your kidneys). I almost fell out. She also told me that there was no cure for cancer other than to cut it out and do the western method of medicine.

To make a long story short, I am off my meds for a least 30 days while I do the master cleanse and try to naturally heal what they think is thyroid cancer in the nodule on my thyroid. I was supposed to have it taken out in an overnight at the hospital on October 6. I feel fabulous right now and haven't eaten in 4 days. I also can look in the mirror and see that there is not a ghastly scar staring back at me.

GO WITH YOUR GUT! Do what you feel is right. Research and learn and listen.

Good luck to you and hope everything will work out for you.

[steveoregon]

Total is between 138-145 on 95%+ raw.


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[freelive]

Thank you all for ineresting information.
Well my was 159 and good one 38, when they took my blood after the stroke and they even said, that stroke can make those readings to look worse than they are. Yet, they said now we can't risk to wait to see what my natural is(they don't know that I never took their drugs, execpt what they put through IV in the hospital). But you all just confirmed, what I was thinking - he wants unnatural levels from me. I think I will go one more time for curiosity and then forget them. For now I am 100 percent raw, but might add some cooked vegetables later as to not to loose too much weight.

[katchmoleen]

Nuts will help you gain weight AND raise your HDL. What is CRAZY about their advice is that most cholesterol medications LOWER the HDL as well as the LDL. Given that your LDL is GOOD and your HDL is a little on the low side, cholesterol meds are totally the WRONG fix. Nuts and exercise would be the better deal, I would think. But from the info you gave us, your cholesterol had nothing to do with the stroke, which sounds like it was a blood clot event rather than an atherosclerotic (blood fats) event. Are they wanting to put you on blood thinners (like coumadin)?

[Firicia]

Wow this is all very interesting.

Does anyone have any info on blood pressure meds? They have my mom on like 3 of them:eek:

Thanks

[freelive]

Katchmoleen, yes, they gave me aspirin and lipitor, they are not even sure what caused my stroke, because my heart and arteries are good.About half people's who get stroke in young age reasons are unknown.

[appifanie]

i can't remember what mine is, but it's high, and coming down slowly. my doc said she wasn't worried as long as i was eating well and exercising.

my blood pressure is good and low. but not too low :) 108/60 or something.

[a1icia]

I had a complete blood panel taken in July and my total cholesterol was low at 116. Normal range is 125-200. My HDL was 53 and my LDL was 53. My doc was concerned about it being low because as Gabriele stated, it's dangerous if it's too low.

I was supposed to try to eat more saturated fats like nuts, avocados and coconut oil but my body just can't handle it. I can only tolerate a very small amount of fat. I want to have another panel taken in a month or so to see if anything has changed.

I'm a little concerned that's it's low but at the same time my body must be telling me something, by not tolerating much fat.

[anniez]

When I started raw my total was 220, 4 months later it was 140. Haven't had it checked again.

Annie

[Clare]

Okay, I'm sorry but one of my friends is borrowing the book with the info, but I remember Fuhrman saying something about stroke risk in long-term vegetarians. Interestingly, vegetarians have a slightly higher risk of one type of stroke (but a much lower risk of heart attack). The reasoning had something to do with the fact that a vegetarian's vessels are more elastic, which is good, but that many of us (gave Japanese example) use a lot of sodium, which raises blood pressure as we age. The pressure doesn't cause the same problems in those with bad arteries (SAD eaters) but can cause this type of stroke. That is why Fuhrman is so set on not using even sea salt and minimizing Braggs, etc. Not saying I agree, just passing along what info I remember in case you might be able to cut out salt and avoid drugs. And btw the easiest way to minimize salt imo is to have lots of sweet green smoothies, veggie juices, and raw desserts-mmmm ;-)

[sport]

Mine is 7.5
Over here you are medicated if you are over 5.0. So I am away over. I would not pass the medical for an insurance policy (thankfully I do not need to).
The number of people being medicated for this non existent disease is frightening.
The statins are killing more people than high cholesterol is. 75% of the people having heart attacks have "normal" cholesterol.

[rawstrength]

Cholesterol is what makes up the cell membranes of all your cells, and it is produced by the liver. High cholesterol levels mean your body is healing or fighting something off. Using drugs to lower cholesterol levels is like shooting the messenger . . . totally unproductive and harmful.

[krisiw]

I just got mine checked; I don't remember what it was but I know my dr seemed really impressed with it.

[sport]

I wonder if everyone who has a high reading for cholesterol also has a high reading for the inflammation markers. I know that I do.

[smasty]

SAD: 228
Raw: 160

I don't know the hdl/ldl breakdown though

[goingrawchelle]

To make a long story short, I am off my meds for a least 30 days while I do the master cleanse and try to naturally heal what they think is thyroid cancer in the nodule on my thyroid.


Keep us posted Divaitalia. I just got my blood results back and was told my thyroid number was "way high" at 24.760. I was told the doctor wants to go over my results Wednesday. We'll see what meds he wants to put me on. I'm going to be watching your success with the master cleanse. I just may be following your footsteps here real soon.

Chelle

[anniez]

To make a long story short, I am off my meds for a least 30 days while I do the master cleanse and try to naturally heal what they think is thyroid cancer in the nodule on my thyroid.

Hi, you wrote that on Oct 8, so you must be getting to the end of your cleanse. If you are still here, please let us know what is going on with you. We do care!

Annie

[mstrish]

Mine is 178 total. My husband's doc wanted to put him on meds and I told him NO do it naturally and his doc put him on Niacin, omegas, red rice yeast, Co-Q10 and it came down in 2 months time, BTW my husband still eats SAD but is switching to cooked vegan after watching movies....Eating & Food Matters. You can go to www.doctoryourself.com and read info there and subscribe to the journal.....it's free and medical based in natural remedies that work.
My Best to you!

[papiyonmov]

Been veg for 15 yrs but turned high raw vegan a little over a year ago.
Just got my test results back:
cholesterol: 147
Triglyceride: 59
HDL: 52
LDL: 83

All of the other results looked good too.
Oh! and I was thrilled to see my blood ph at 8.0!!
Last few times I took a ph saliva test, they always came up very acidic and I stopped doing them for months.
SO glad to see that I'm getting more alkaline!