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coss
08-29-2009, 07:11 AM
Hello all,

I am trying to find someone with similar experience to mine with eating fruit (it makes me dead tired). And maybe with some good solutions.

First the background. I started to changing my diet seven years ago, first cutting out all the sodas, cakes, snacks etc., then changed to vegetarian diet five years ago. Since I read about health and diet all the time I soon came across with the raw food diet concept. I decided for slow shift to raw diet, first replacing breakfast with fruit, then the dinner etc.

Two years ago for the new year eve I decided to go raw. I basically followed the 811 diet, with lots of fruit all the time. And I was 100% raw for months. I lost a lot of weight, went through some emotional cleaning, had my ups and downs. Felt very light, illuminated, balanced etc. But then the problems started. Basically now seems like going raw lead to burn out.

I started to feel tired and drained all the time. It became impossible for me to follow the raw diet. So after one year being on raw I started to eat cooked food again. But only lunch and strictly vegan diet. I felt a little better, but still far from being full of energy. I decided to test my blood and it showed up that I had critically low levels of vitamin B12 and D. I bought the supplements and started to consume them every day. I felt a little bit better, but still I had very low energy. And I felt totally strange, taking two pills every day. That is not picture of a healthy person. So somehow I also decided to stop my vegan diet and eat small quantities of diary every day. Not separately, but I did not mind if there was some diary in the food I ate for lunch. I felt a little bit better, but still a lot of ups and downs.

Then I had the following experience. Since I travel a lot for business there was an occasion when I could not buy fruit for few days. Of course I thought I was going to die without fruit for the whole two days. But actually I felt better on the physical level. It seemed like I had much more physical energy. But still when I got back home, that experience did not matter to me, since I was totally convinced that fruit is the perfect food.

Still lacking of energy, I tried everything, from adding green smoothies, low fat, high fat diet, mono meals, mixing fats and carbs, adding the calories, etc. Nothing really worked. Then I listened to Tony Robbins audio books and in one of them he is promoting Fit for Life diet style with lots of fruit. But in one of his next programs he says he was dead wrong about that. In this program he says that fruit made him totally tired and that for several years he had no physical energy and had to do everything with his mind power. And I must say I am having the similar experience. Now he is promoting ph miracle diet by Robert Young.

But that is quite a big mind shift. Still I believe that fruit is the perfect food. The whole 811 theory makes sense (where our ancestors lived, why we are attracted to sweet etc.). Nevertheless it does not work for me at all as it did not for Tony Robins I guess. There are several things I do not like about ph miracle diet, specially taking all the supplements. And Robert Young is the only one I found that claims fruit is acidic food. I also have the feeling that Tony is a little bit kept back on his opinion about fruit. Maybe he did not figure it out yet why it makes him tired (like I did not yet). And I guess Dr Young's solution works for him.

But still as I mentioned I have big logical problems with believing in ph Miricle. The diet consist mainly eating veggies, nuts and oils, with some fish and legumes. So where do you get calories from - only avocado, olives, nuts and seeds? It doesn't make any sens. On the other hand it is also almost impossible to follow it if you do not have your own chef or a lot of time to prepare your meals. On the top of it all I am allergic to nuts and legumes are not doing good for my digestion (I figure that out from listening to my body). So I am left only with veggies - and no calories. I suppose I would feel even more tired.

Well, I identified some potential causes of my energy problem.
- I am workaholic and really work a lot. Since cooked food and diary is a big stimulant I just need it for working days and nights. And fruit has a big cleansing effect.
- I am also not emotionally very positive and sangvinic person, more philosophical one. So maybe you have to be really really emotionally in balance to be on raw diet.
-Maybe you have to be in the right warm and sunny atmosphere, here is 1/2 year really cold. That probably explains lack of vitamin D.
- Candida may be also the problem. Some say that sugar also fructoses can cause yeast to burst.

Now I am not sure what to do. I can not go on like that, because without physical energy life is just one big struggle. And definitely eating too much fruit contributes to crashing my body again and again. You can say it is cleaning crises, but I can not wait for few years to past that phase. On the other hand I am not sure about eating only veggies. Meat is no option and diary, grains and legumes really are highly acidic.

And by the way, the discipline is no problem for me. I can eat whatever I decide too, but still all the shifts for me are quite stress for the body, so I try to be very careful. Did maybe any of you faced the similar problem and found a good solution that is not based on pills and powders?

Thanks for you answer!

Dimond
08-29-2009, 08:28 AM
Just eat a normal raw vegan diet instead of focusing on mainly fruit. You need to balance out the fruit with minerals (celery, greens, etc.) If you stick with this for awhile, you should eventually feel great. Not everyone is meant to stick with one way of eating raw. Fruitarianism works for very few and usually those are highly athletic. It can work better if someone was raw for awhile first.

You may benefit from doing some fasting too, at this point since you've tried so many different things.

Lavendula
08-29-2009, 01:43 PM
That's a whole lot to say. I understand just what the dilemna is, but am having my own hard time working it out. I eat lots of avocados, and try to use the extra virgin olive oil, and extra virgin coconut oil, because I know I need the fats, I just go for days not getting the neccessary fats. If you are allergic to nuts, maybe to coconut, and seeds also. What about sea vegetables, you can get some of your protien there, but your other calories will need to be from fats? I have a fairly restricted diet, but am not allergic to nuts, just stuck in the too much fruit too, and too tired to do the plan and prep for what my body needs. I wish I could afford a personal raw chef. Try to figure out your metabolic type, and do what is best for your health.

spicyfull
08-30-2009, 01:41 AM
Could be Spiking your Sugar. I would have it checked, Fastig.

Rubyred
08-31-2009, 01:23 AM
Maybe the fruit is making your blood sugar go up and down. I only use a bit of fruit in my green smoothies because otherwise I feel tired later. I sweeten them mainly with stevia. The only way to find out if the fruit is bothering you is to cut way back on fruit and eat a bunch of it and see what happens. It might be it's just too much for you at this time.

rawstrength
09-01-2009, 07:00 PM
Since fruit is bothering you, the obvious solution is to not eat it. Get your calories from avocados, coconut, olives...

Aleesha Sattva
09-01-2009, 10:20 PM
both avocados and olives are fruit... but i guess that's beside the point.

if eating a strictly fruit diet is not working for you... try doing it Alissa's way. Eat raw live foods, a good variety and as much as your body desires and allow your body to heal itself. It works!

brayden
09-02-2009, 12:59 AM
You can eat fruit only on supper.Some times i felt tired just you said on, but i changed rule. We need energy to keep health. :)

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spicyfull
09-02-2009, 01:46 AM
You can eat fruit only at supper.Some times i felt tired just you said on, but i changed rule. We need energy to keep health. :)

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As long as everything else checks out Fine. Sounds like a RAWonderful idea, let the Fruit be your Sleeping Pill.

Raw Angel Mom
09-02-2009, 05:10 AM
I am not a doctor. I am passionate about health etc... so please whatever i write do research.

I agree to go with Alissa's approach at first and eat. You need to find out what works for your body. The best way to do that, is to try many raw food recipes etc... For me, i cannot mix honey and banana together but i can with raw agave. Also, you need to train your mind that raw food is easy and comfortable and the way to go, the best way to do that is the approach with Alissa Cohen in my humble opinion and with my own experience.

Fast could definitely help but also you can consider to get a blood work done, more like dr. Gabriel Cousens do. He has a special program to turn off your compost switch. Fasting, does give a brake to your digestive system and is very healing, you need to do intense research on that.

You could have problem with fruits, some people doesn't do well with sugary fruit but will be ok with red pepper, etc... Or simply, you may need to look into food combining, without getting carrying away. Meaning, when you do a recipe, don't worry about food combining but if you eat mono food at time or want a fruits, make sure at least to eat when there isn't anything in your stomach. Perhaps couple hours after or simply 30-45 minutes before a meal. For my own body, i found that i needed to wait at least one hour. I don't seem to do well to eat my smoothie in the afternoon after consuming my first snack or meal. Green smoothie for me, best to have from morning up to my next meal or snack, after that i cannot have them because they gives me gas. Try to eat the same type of fruit together or simply alone. A water melon is the easiest food to digest and is recommended to be eaten first or alone. It could be one type of fruit that doesn't go with you. I know someone that cannot have strawberry.

Your body will heal and i actually found myself being able to tolerate more food now. I couldn't eat honey melon or cantaloupe now they seem to love me, lol...

I would go by elimination but most of all fruits need to be eaten on a empty stomach. If you make a recipe with fruits don't worry about that, i notice that it doesn't seem to matter because if is eaten in the same time. It is when you eat a single fruit afterward that it cans cause fermentation.

Hope you find out what works for you.