Fruit will not heal those who are ill. Let's talk about it.

[jamesey]

Hi,

I've read in a raw magazine, that unless you are in full health, you must limit your fruit. Unfortunately since I've read this I can't seem to find the article in the magazine, otherwise I would directly quote, but what the person basically saying is if one is in ill health, they can't always deal with the sugars that come with fruit and come accross sugar related problems like candida and blood sugar, maing things worse. Instead, high in vegetables are the bulk food for the body to heal. However, a healthy body can deal with this and can eat as much fruit as desired.

Is this just someone's opinion that is off the mark or is this a general feeling? To me it makes sense, but I'd love to know other peoples thoughts!

[Dimond]

I think limiting fruit is good in some cases, but mainly for cancer. Otherwise fruit helps you get well.

[coco]

if you look up the hippocrates institute in florida there is a wealth of info there on sugar from fruit. many people will say that so long as it's raw food, it's healthy and healing but they are not experts and that's just opinion. at the institute they do actual research and base things on fact. i prefer that to dogma myself :)

[Seedy]

There seems to be two factions in the raw food movement: the high fruit and the low fruit (with the corresponding low fat: high fat factions). I think they both make things too complicated. The body needs lots of carbohydrates to function. The brain needs glucose to think and the muscles need glycogen (made from glucose) to move. You can get your carbohydrates from fruit or starches. If you feel you need to limit your fruit, then you'll need to eat sprouted grains like buckwheat, quinoa, and oats and/or raw starchy plants like jicama, sweet potatoes, butternut squash and sun chokes. I use all of these sources, but raw starches are a bit more work to prepare and are harder to digest then simple fruits. But my point is, you can't just drop fruit and starches from you diet and just eat vegetables and fats. Your muscles will get weak and your brain will feel foggy. Carbohydrates need to be the bases of any vegan diet, raw or not, ALONG with lots of greens and veggies. Fats and protein should be limited to moderate amounts (about 30% of total calories).
Seedy

[Care4raw]

There are many schools of thought on the fruit, fat, etc debate. As I found out for myself one 'raw diet' does not fit all. Do alot of good research, its out there. The minute you read one theory, keep checking, the other side of the debate will be out there, with their proof,:)

[SevenKindsOfCookie]

But my point is, you can't just drop fruit and starches from you diet and just eat vegetables and fats. Your muscles will get weak and your brain will feel foggy.

Well the body has the ability to turn fat and protein into glucose if needed, so eating a low carb diet certainly doesn't mean that you are lacking glucose in you body.
I wouldn't recommend a low carb high fat diet to an athlete though, but for moderately active people it will work quite well for many of them from my experience. And for people with diabetes it can do wonders.

[Aleesha Sattva]

Alissa's philosophy is to eat a raw diet full of variety. I know that's what I followed when I went raw and it brought me GREAT health.

But everyone's journey is different. Some find health through green smoothie feasts for 3 months. Some find it through fasting. Others through mono eating. There is no ONE RIGHT WAY to do this. Follow what your body asks for and allow yourself to remain flexible throughout.

[Seedy]

Well the body has the ability to turn fat and protein into glucose if needed, so eating a low carb diet certainly doesn't mean that you are lacking glucose in you body.
I wouldn't recommend a low carb high fat diet to an athlete though, but for moderately active people it will work quite well for many of them from my experience. And for people with diabetes it can do wonders.

True. But that can induce ketosis in the body. That puts added strain on the liver, first the liver has to convert fat to glucose, then it has to detoxify the ketones. Not the best situation.
Seedy

[Humanist]

We are frugivores. Our bodies are designed to digest fruits, in sickness and in health, though not necessarily dried fruits. According to the Gerson cancer therapy, all kinds of fruits are acceptable for cancer patients except berries and pineapples.

[RawinFL]

I eat more fruits than vegetables and I don't feel any problems. I have always had a sweet tooth and fruit helps satisfy this! I think you should jusst do what works for your body...we are all different.

[jamesey]

Thanks for all the great replies everyone! After searching extensively through the magazine, I found the extract:

"In my opinion, only a clean body thrives on fruit. Most people are either too yeasted - a problem that fruit only exacerbates - or they are too impacted - in which case the fruit will be like holy water on the devil and make them bloat and gas-up, adding fermentation to the putrefactive mix. So the modern human is best eating mostly raw and cooked vegetables unless and until they have a clean body. I call this "vegetable-centric" eating."

[Humanist]

"In my opinion, only a clean body thrives on fruit.

This is like saying that soap is useful only on clean bodies, because fruits are excellent detergent foods.

[Care4raw]

Thanks for all the great replies everyone! After searching extensively through the magazine, I found the extract:

"In my opinion, only a clean body thrives on fruit. Most people are either too yeasted - a problem that fruit only exacerbates - or they are too impacted - in which case the fruit will be like holy water on the devil and make them bloat and gas-up, adding fermentation to the putrefactive mix. So the modern human is best eating mostly raw and cooked vegetables unless and until they have a clean body. I call this "vegetable-centric" eating."

You can find research that points to fruit being fine and healing to a yeast problem, it is just in what combination you are eating the fruit. I had to eliminate high fats and include fruit to actually rid my body of yeast/candidia..pretty severe too. Its counter to what we commonly think. Again, you may want to research alternatives.

[symphonyx]

Well here in lies the problem with the raw food diet if you have to limited fruit. To have are calories need met on a raw food diet it has to come from fat sources(nuts, seeds, fatty fruits) or Fruit. That's it. Every sucessfull culture eats a diet of primarly cabs and the further the get away from that the further they go away from health. Every Cell in the body is run on Carbs(sugar). A diet high in fats and processed carbs casues blood sugar problem not a diet high in whole carbs as you can see from the cultures living on grains/ root veggies

I know from personal experiance on the raw fodo diet and other diets any time i followed a low carb diet i felt like crap and sports performance went down the drain.

[symphonyx]

You can find research that points to fruit being fine and healing to a yeast problem, it is just in what combination you are eating the fruit. I had to eliminate high fats and include fruit to actually rid my body of yeast/candidia..pretty severe too. Its counter to what we commonly think. Again, you may want to research alternatives.


Yep i was on a standard raw diet for close to 2 years and had all sorts of blood sugar/ candida symtoms. It wasn't until i went low fat that they cleared up. They competely cleared within 1 month

[rawrawks]

Each one eats whats good for them. Listen to your body and eat what works. I have had periods of high fruit and periods of low fruit n no fruit. Times and seasons change what you need. All good whatever u do with fruit if you give the body what it asks for!

[iluvmangos]

Hi,

I've read in a raw magazine, that unless you are in full health, you must limit your fruit. Unfortunately since I've read this I can't seem to find the article in the magazine, otherwise I would directly quote, but what the person basically saying is if one is in ill health, they can't always deal with the sugars that come with fruit and come accross sugar related problems like candida and blood sugar, maing things worse. Instead, high in vegetables are the bulk food for the body to heal. However, a healthy body can deal with this and can eat as much fruit as desired.

Is this just someone's opinion that is off the mark or is this a general feeling? To me it makes sense, but I'd love to know other peoples thoughts!

Would this person happen to be Paul Nison?

Anyway, fruit hasn't been a problem for my candida or my blood sugar since going low-fat, so it's not true in my case.

[RawYorkCity]

I eat fruit. A lot of it at that. I have never felt or looked better. I could go as far as to say I was designed to thrive by eating fruit.

[RawSar]

In this house we eat lots of fruit, but we are both very healthy and active and do mix our fruit with greens.
Fruit is definitely the main ingredient here! mmmm... :)

[juliew]

Thanks for all the great replies everyone! After searching extensively through the magazine, I found the extract:

"In my opinion, only a clean body thrives on fruit. Most people are either too yeasted - a problem that fruit only exacerbates - or they are too impacted - in which case the fruit will be like holy water on the devil and make them bloat and gas-up, adding fermentation to the putrefactive mix. So the modern human is best eating mostly raw and cooked vegetables unless and until they have a clean body. I call this "vegetable-centric" eating."

...sounds like something Natalia Rose would say...

[juliew]

This is like saying that soap is useful only on clean bodies, because fruits are excellent detergent foods.

LOL thats awesome!

[margoss]

For me... I love fruit & would rather have fruit & only cukes/tomatoes. I do notice that if I eat a lot of fruit, I don't feel as good as when I mix it.

[Mary Kay]

Glad you started this thread!

I feel that no "one size fits all." Even for one person as they age, or become less active. Hippocrates has tested thousands of people, so we can't discount what they are saying about limiting fruit, however, many of those people are ill.

Heck, even Doug Graham says "you have to earn your fruit." I think my kids can eat way more fruit than I, as they're more active/growing. I'm 54 and will be approaching menopause soon, and feel I need more fat to keep the hormones going. My periods are still going strong, and I accidentally got pregnant at 51, while I was on an avocado binge and eating, oh 5 - 7 avocados a week. (Take this with a grain of salt though --I think I eat too many fats, and I'm a good 15 lbs overweight!)

I do agree with the "moderating/lowering fruit" if you have illness though as vegetables/greens tend to be more cleansing.

My two cents.

It's great how this thread could've been a good one for arguments, and yet everyone is being so civil!!!

Mary Kay

[Care4raw]

Glad you started this thread!

I feel that no "one size fits all." Even for one person as they age, or become less active. Hippocrates has tested thousands of people, so we can't discount what they are saying about limiting fruit, however, many of those people are ill.

Heck, even Doug Graham says "you have to earn your fruit." I think my kids can eat way more fruit than I, as they're more active/growing. I'm 54 and will be approaching menopause soon, and feel I need more fat to keep the hormones going. My periods are still going strong, and I accidentally got pregnant at 51, while I was on an avocado binge and eating, oh 5 - 7 avocados a week. (Take this with a grain of salt though --I think I eat too many fats, and I'm a good 15 lbs overweight!)

I do agree with the "moderating/lowering fruit" if you have illness though as vegetables/greens tend to be more cleansing.

My two cents.

It's great how this thread could've been a good one for arguments, and yet everyone is being so civil!!!

Mary Kay

Preggies at 51, awesome!You are doing something right!!
I agree;many , many ways to stay healthy and cure illness.

[cara4art]

As other people here say, everybody is different, as to what balance of fruit etc. one is able to do successfully, as in, some people do well on high-fruit, lower-fat, others do better on higher-greens, seeds/nuts, higher fat, and others are in between and it does take some experimenting to find out which one suits your body. But I can tell you this, out there in the mainstream world of dieting, you would simply not believe the fear of fruit that's out there, especially amongst the low-carb crowd - you would think it's the equivalent of mainlining candy bars, and that anything over a piece or two of fruit is an enormous amount of fruit because of "all that sugar". Meanwhile, the people who are saying that are often chowing down on some processed grain c*** and other unmentionables. Some people even think that eating fruit is the same as drinking fruit juice, which it is not.
Bottom-line - after getting accustomed to raw, listen to YOUR body, and let the results speak for themselves. Personally, recently, my post-menopausal waist decreased by a 1/2 inch and I've been chowing down on fruit since there's so much in season right now!

[Care4raw]

As other people here say, everybody is different, as to what balance of fruit etc. one is able to do successfully, as in, some people do well on high-fruit, lower-fat, others do better on higher-greens, seeds/nuts, higher fat, and others are in between and it does take some experimenting to find out which one suits your body. But I can tell you this, out there in the mainstream world of dieting, you would simply not believe the fear of fruit that's out there, especially amongst the low-carb crowd - you would think it's the equivalent of mainlining candy bars, and that anything over a piece or two of fruit is an enormous amount of fruit because of "all that sugar". Meanwhile, the people who are saying that are often chowing down on some processed grain c*** and other unmentionables. Some people even think that eating fruit is the same as drinking fruit juice, which it is not.
Bottom-line - after getting accustomed to raw, listen to YOUR body, and let the results speak for themselves. Personally, recently, my post-menopausal waist decreased by a 1/2 inch and I've been chowing down on fruit since there's so much in season right now!

I know, it is so sad to me to see this .

[chilove]

That is not true at all. Fruit is very cleansing and healing. Many, many people, myself included have healed on mostly fruitarian diets. I healed from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, IBS, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, hormonal disorders and IC on a mostly fruit diet.

There is a healing centre in Europe (I believe thats where it is) that is run by a medically trained doctor who puts people on all fruit diets and heals them from all sorts of conditions. I used to have the link for it. I will try to find it and post it here. :-)

Enjoy your fruit! It is our natural diet.

Many Blessings,

Audrey

[Seedy]

It just happened that I found this in my email box this morning:
http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/fruitreport.pdf
Of course Frederic Patenaude is more of a high fruit/low fat guy, but the report does make a lot of sense.
Seedy

[Mary Kay]

Oh, that is true about people being afraid of a little fruit. I agree.

And here's a slightly different twist:

My dh is an apple farmer, who has asked me to no longer introduce him to my holistic friends or at raw food potlucks etc as an "apple farmer." People ask him if he's organic and when he says no....they pounce on him. (Just so you know, he uses as few chemicals as he can...even invented a machine, complete with hydraulics so he could cut down on glyphosate - Round Up, which is "relatively" safe, as it is broken down in the environment within two weeks........

Anyway, this woman was yelling at him because he sprays his trees (one other point: organic trees are sprayed 1 1/2 to 2 X more than others with some dangerous stuff like Pyrethrums...just organically approved)....Anyway, she's yelling at him, scolding him because he sprays his trees, then goes into our store where my junk-food BIL sells Smokies you know, those dried meats ---the really bad kind with nitrites/nitrates colors and crap in them.....and buys one/opens it, and begins eating it. .......Geez.

Mary Kay

[Care4raw]

That is not true at all. Fruit is very cleansing and healing. Many, many people, myself included have healed on mostly fruitarian diets. I healed from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, IBS, anxiety, panic attacks, depression, hormonal disorders and IC on a mostly fruit diet.

There is a healing centre in Europe (I believe thats where it is) that is run by a medically trained doctor who puts people on all fruit diets and heals them from all sorts of conditions. I used to have the link for it. I will try to find it and post it here. :-)

Enjoy your fruit! It is our natural diet.

Many Blessings,

Audrey

Not sure who you meant to address when you said not true at all?Maybe not me but my post is right above yours so in case it was misinterpreted I was saying the anti fruit diet/movement whatever, is "so sad". I too have been cured from severe candida/ yeast over growth eating low-fat and high fruit eating.

[iluvmangos]

Not sure who you meant to address when you said not true at all?Maybe not me but my post is right above yours so in case it was misinterpreted I was saying the anti fruit diet/movement whatever, is "so sad". I too have been cured from severe candida/ yeast over growth eating low-fat and high fruit eating.

I think chilove was responding to this:



I do agree with the "moderating/lowering fruit" if you have illness though as vegetables/greens tend to be more cleansing.


I tend to agree with chilove because fruit has been pretty cleansing in my experience.

[Eva]

I imagine that if Audrey were responding to someone specific, she would have quoted that person. The original post mentions the article which said that unless a person is in great health, they must limit their fruit.

I healed problems without limiting fruit as well.

I am a believer in the train of thought that says to heal, you have to look to the cause of disease. I can't imagine that the cause of disease (in most cases) is too many apples or oranges or whatever. It makes no sense. There are many bigger problems.

Of course, we all have unique bodies and unique responses (to some degree) to different foods and environments.

At this point -- I'm just glad to be healed!!!

[LilacLavender]

There are many conflicting ideas out there, some better supported than others. For this reason, it's best to avoid dogma, put everything to the test, and decide for yourself what is most likely to be true.

[annavon]

I have seen some articles regarding fruit and it is not necessarily fruit that is the problem. The problem is that alot of fruit has been bred to be high in sugar. There are some low sugar members of the fruit family that most think of a vegetables (cucumber, tomatoes, avocados etc.). Some people don't do well on a high sugar diet when they are healing mostly because of an over growth of candida. Candida takes over when you body is out of balance. Even with candida, one can tolerate some fruit like berries, grapefruit and green apples.

I agree with Aleesha, eat a variety of foods and generally you will be fine.

[Care4raw]

I have seen some articles regarding fruit and it is not necessarily fruit that is the problem. The problem is that alot of fruit has been bred to be high in sugar. There are some low sugar members of the fruit family that most think of a vegetables (cucumber, tomatoes, avocados etc.). Some people don't do well on a high sugar diet when they are healing mostly because of an over growth of candida. Candida takes over when you body is out of balance. Even with candida, one can tolerate some fruit like berries, grapefruit and green apples.

I agree with Aleesha, eat a variety of foods and generally you will be fine.

Again, i had candida , as did many posters here that healed on a very high fruit diet, very high fruit. Lots sugar...
I did a variety of raw foods as suggested in the past and found it was my combinations of high fat with fruit that was making me sick. I cut fruit out at one point. I Got educated...took two years , hair loss, severe rashes,etc So i would say having direct experience i have to pipe up and say yes candida can heal with high fruit sugars..its in the combining.From my direct experience , not a book or a scientific theory.

Thanks to those who posted regarding Audrey's post, i kinda figured she was responding to the thread question, wasn't sure.

[annavon]

Again, i had candida , as did many posters here that healed on a very high fruit diet, very high fruit. Lots sugar...
I did a variety of raw foods as suggested in the past and found it was my combinations of high fat with fruit that was making me sick. I cut fruit out at one point. I Got educated...took two years , hair loss, severe rashes,etc So i would say having direct experience i have to pipe up and say yes candida can heal with high fruit sugars..its in the combining.From my direct experience , not a book or a scientific theory.

Thanks to those who posted regarding Audrey's post, i kinda figured she was responding to the thread question, wasn't sure.


Thanks I am so glad to hear that I have been dealing with candida and it has been hard to be raw with little fruit. I have been using berries in my green smoothies, but I long for a change. I was told green apple was OK in green juices. I had my best success doing a green juice "fast". My information was mostly from Paul Nison and Brian Clemment (Hippocrates Institute).

[klomasius]

But I can tell you this, out there in the mainstream world of dieting, you would simply not believe the fear of fruit that's out there, especially amongst the low-carb crowd - you would think it's the equivalent of mainlining candy bars, and that anything over a piece or two of fruit is an enormous amount of fruit because of "all that sugar". Meanwhile, the people who are saying that are often chowing down on some processed grain c*** and other unmentionables. Some people even think that eating fruit is the same as drinking fruit juice, which it is not.
Bottom-line - after getting accustomed to raw, listen to YOUR body, and let the results speak for themselves. Personally, recently, my post-menopausal waist decreased by a 1/2 inch and I've been chowing down on fruit since there's so much in season right now!

Yeah, just what is the deal with this????

I hadn't encountered this before, having never dieted in my life, but came across some people who dieted and fruit was like THE DEVIL! No matter what I said they just would not believe me that I lost weight on a high fruit diet!

I don't think high fruit is the problem, I personally believe that high fruit people encounter problems when not enough greens are consumed along with the fruits.

[chilove]

Hi there,

When I said that it is not true at all I was referring to the statement quoted in the original post that you can't heal on a high fruit diet. That isn't true. Fruit is very cleansing and healing.

Fat is the culprit in candida, not fruit. :-)

Blessings,

Audrey

[iluvmangos]

Thanks I am so glad to hear that I have been dealing with candida and it has been hard to be raw with little fruit. I have been using berries in my green smoothies, but I long for a change. I was told green apple was OK in green juices. I had my best success doing a green juice "fast". My information was mostly from Paul Nison and Brian Clemment (Hippocrates Institute).

Yeah, I had a hard time being raw like that, too, and it was totally unnecessary. I'm sure the ones who say to limit the fruit mean well, but they're wrong. It's the fat, not the fruit.

[Tenuho]

yea its all pretty confusing lol......

i found that i got ill when i ate alott of fruit.....

i stopped for awhile....then went back to it and everytime i ate fruit it made me wanna puke....

before that i felt amazing though.....it just crept up on me.....

hard to stay raw and not eat fruit...

so basically now i am alott more cautious of fruit....i was over-eating tho and i think overeating on anything will make u ill even fruit.......


i have my beliefs about fruit.....but it was from a spiritual book so i dont know if i should really post it here...

[Tishi]

I'm not sure about this one. Grapes have been known to cure cancer. Lemons are a natural detoxifier. I guess it just depends on which fruits?

[Mary Kay]

[QUOTE=Care4raw;551727]Again, i had candida , as did many posters here that healed on a very high fruit diet, very high fruit. Lots sugar...
I did a variety of raw foods as suggested in the past and found it was my combinations of high fat with fruit that was making me sick. I cut fruit out at one point. I Got educated...took two years , hair loss, severe rashes,etc So i would say having direct experience i have to pipe up and say yes candida can heal with high fruit sugars..its in the combining.From my direct experience , not a book or a scientific theory.

Care4raw, I'd like to hear more specifics about your story, if you don't mind/have the time! I eat lots of (healthy) fats and a fair amt of fruits/sugars. When you say you got "educated" - do you mean, finally realized fruit wasn't BAAAAD for you? I even want to hear about the hair loss/rashes, if you don't mind sharing your story.

****************

It's just so hard for all of us to know what to do. Geez, on the one hand, you have a scientific guy like Rbt Young, And isn't Doug Graham scientific too? Yet, they say diff't things. I went to a "high alkaline" meetup last night, hosted by a woman who was diagnosed with breast cancer and seems to be cured by following Robt Young's protocol, yet I STILL have problems thinking that such fruit restrictions are "natural."

Someone posted that berries are not good for cancer patients....yet, even though blueberries are acidic, isn't it the ellagic acid in them that is a potent cancer-fighting chemical?

Geez. On the one hand I want to know some scientific data. But on the other hand, drinking a pre-made bottle of chlorphyll (like Robt Young recommends) just doesn't seem as natural as going and finding greens in my garden/yard etc.

Rambling. Sorry. Just nice to have other likeminded people with whom I can think out loud......

Would love to see a head-to-head debate with Robt Young vs. Doug Graham....type folks.

Mary Kay

[Mary Kay]

Tenuho,

I'd love to hear your beliefs. And I'd like to hear about the book from which it is quoted. Heck, I'm not religious, nevertheless find a book sich as the Bible, to be full of generally pertinent nutritional info......

Fill us in, if you have the time, would ya? I'd also like to hear more of your story too.

Mary Kay

[Tsurugi_Oni]

Funny you mentioned it, because I'm right on the finishing line of dealing with year long chronic-illness.

From what I've noticed along this journey, eating a lot of fruit doesn't seem to help at all, and even makes the symptoms slightly worse. High fiber veggies and hard-grains seem to make everything run smooth. Greasy meats and thick sweet syrups never seem to digest and drain me of my energy.

At least at this phase of my life, when most fruits hit the stomach it gives me a weird almost uncomfortable feeling. Haven't *noticed* this problem with wild fruits, but with things like bananas, peaches, apples, and apricots for sure. High fiber has helped a ton tho.

*as I keep reading the thread*

I've noticed that I also tend to get gassy from high fruit diet......the plot thickens...

[Care4raw]

[QUOTE=Care4raw;551727]Again, i had candida , as did many posters here that healed on a very high fruit diet, very high fruit. Lots sugar...
I did a variety of raw foods as suggested in the past and found it was my combinations of high fat with fruit that was making me sick. I cut fruit out at one point. I Got educated...took two years , hair loss, severe rashes,etc So i would say having direct experience i have to pipe up and say yes candida can heal with high fruit sugars..its in the combining.From my direct experience , not a book or a scientific theory.

Care4raw, I'd like to hear more specifics about your story, if you don't mind/have the time! I eat lots of (healthy) fats and a fair amt of fruits/sugars. When you say you got "educated" - do you mean, finally realized fruit wasn't BAAAAD for you? I even want to hear about the hair loss/rashes, if you don't mind sharing your story.

****************

It's just so hard for all of us to know what to do. Geez, on the one hand, you have a scientific guy like Rbt Young, And isn't Doug Graham scientific too? Yet, they say diff't things. I went to a "high alkaline" meetup last night, hosted by a woman who was diagnosed with breast cancer and seems to be cured by following Robt Young's protocol, yet I STILL have problems thinking that such fruit restrictions are "natural."

Someone posted that berries are not good for cancer patients....yet, even though blueberries are acidic, isn't it the ellagic acid in them that is a potent cancer-fighting chemical?

Geez. On the one hand I want to know some scientific data. But on the other hand, drinking a pre-made bottle of chlorphyll (like Robt Young recommends) just doesn't seem as natural as going and finding greens in my garden/yard etc.

Rambling. Sorry. Just nice to have other likeminded people with whom I can think out loud......

Would love to see a head-to-head debate with Robt Young vs. Doug Graham....type folks.

Mary Kay

Hi Mary Kay,

I would gladly tell you of my journey. yes, i had very bad rashes and severe hair loss. i went 100% raw, loving it from the first raw 'prepared' meal (anyone remember Roxanne's?).But by may months later i could no longer deny that clumps of hair were coming out and patches were seen!I also lived for months with terrible rashes getting worse and worse. Some of the worst were on my stomach, but my joints too.I put up with alot of these things as I knew symptoms sometimes occur in detox.I tried raw with little or no fruit.I did a cleanse. But finally i knew things were to much. I was about to lose all my hair. I consulted with an allopathatic Dr, a Tibetan Dr who used herbs and a accupunturist who used hebs, I wanted desperatly to stay raw through-out treatment but finally I went back to meat (after 20plus years!) because i could not figure out how to con't eating raw and rid of the over-growth. I eventually went back veggie but i always felt raw was right for me.Sooo I moved to Fla which is full of the yummiest tropical fruits and at about the same time i read a book by Doug Graham, (you can google). He has had success with candida over-growth clearing when foods are combined correctly and when staying low fat. i was almost too embarressed to tell anyone i went raw again.Everyone knew about my experience.Eventually after dipping my toes eating this way I did not get symptoms, (which would have flared immed! in the past). The doors were opened to daily pineapples, mangoes, melons..OMG!
So my journey still con'ts; learning, reading, my ups and downs but no candida and lots of fruit. Hair is full, no rashes, no brain fog, etc.Yay!I can't even imagine living without fruit honestly.
This was my 'candida' journey hope it helped.
Oh I can now eat a high fat gourmet meal here and there and love it there but mainly I eat the basics..and its great.Yay health!

[donnyandcathy]

I'm so glad this conversation is going on, because I need to make a big decision, and I feel I have no where to go to get the right answer. But I know a lot of you here have had experience and also have a lot of good advice.
As most of you know I've been diagnosed with Gastroparesis (paralyzed stomach) and the protocol for this is to stay away from high fiber foods, such as raw fruits and veggies, but mainly the veggies. I know I have a really hard time digesting veggies, except for romaine hearts, and a green smoothie with chard or spinach. But the other veggies don't like me at all, and I get very sick. Fruit doesn't seem to cause a lot of pain and nausea, but does seem to cause the "bloat" from the fiber. BUT, the other thing that I found out yesterday from meeting with the gastro. doctor, and going over my other test, is that I have small bowel bacterial overgrowth, along with nerve damage in my colon and a motility disorder. Nice combo, huh??
My question is, is Candidia and Small Bowel Bacteria Overgrowth the same thing, or is it different?

My main question is what do I do about eating? If I can't digest and tolerate most veggies right now, and the fruit is not allowed when you have the bacteria overgrowth, what can I eat to stay raw? Or would the fruit be fine, even with the overgrowth, since ya'll are saying it's the fat and not the fruit?
I'm just so confused :(

If I had a meal "plan" and knew what to eat, I would feel a lot better. I don't like feeling out of control, and I love plans/schedules.
Would anyone like to share foods they would eat when having these conditions?

Thanks!!
Cathy

[iluvmangos]

I'm so glad this conversation is going on, because I need to make a big decision, and I feel I have no where to go to get the right answer. But I know a lot of you here have had experience and also have a lot of good advice.
As most of you know I've been diagnosed with Gastroparesis (paralyzed stomach) and the protocol for this is to stay away from high fiber foods, such as raw fruits and veggies, but mainly the veggies. I know I have a really hard time digesting veggies, except for romaine hearts, and a green smoothie with chard or spinach. But the other veggies don't like me at all, and I get very sick. Fruit doesn't seem to cause a lot of pain and nausea, but does seem to cause the "bloat" from the fiber. BUT, the other thing that I found out yesterday from meeting with the gastro. doctor, and going over my other test, is that I have small bowel bacterial overgrowth, along with nerve damage in my colon and a motility disorder. Nice combo, huh??
My question is, is Candidia and Small Bowel Bacteria Overgrowth the same thing, or is it different?

My main question is what do I do about eating? If I can't digest and tolerate most veggies right now, and the fruit is not allowed when you have the bacteria overgrowth, what can I eat to stay raw? Or would the fruit be fine, even with the overgrowth, since ya'll are saying it's the fat and not the fruit?
I'm just so confused :(

If I had a meal "plan" and knew what to eat, I would feel a lot better. I don't like feeling out of control, and I love plans/schedules.
Would anyone like to share foods they would eat when having these conditions?

Thanks!!
Cathy

Cathy,

What kinds of fruit are you able to digest well? I don't think you need to worry about not being able to eat most veggies. There are raw foodists that live primarily off of fruit and greens and do just fine. I don't know what kind of bacteria overgrowth they think you have. You might want to ask them exactly what kind of bacteria it is. If it's candida, then I don't believe that fruit is contraindicated. A lot of people do, but I respectfully disagree with them. It hasn't been true in my case. If it was, I'd be having a raging candida flare-up right now, but I'm not.

[Carly]

We are frugivores. Our bodies are designed to digest fruits, in sickness and in health, though not necessarily dried fruits. According to the Gerson cancer therapy, all kinds of fruits are acceptable for cancer patients except berries and pineapples.

I don't know anything about the Gerson therapy, except from a DVD I saw about it that didn't go much into the actual diet, but I met a girl who healed herself from cancer on the Gerson diet and she said she wasn't allowed to eat any fruit except an apple in her juice and no nuts either.

[Tsurugi_Oni]

Candida is a fungus, a yeast.

[Humanist]

I don't know anything about the Gerson therapy, except from a DVD I saw about it that didn't go much into the actual diet, but I met a girl who healed herself from cancer on the Gerson diet and she said she wasn't allowed to eat any fruit except an apple in her juice and no nuts either.

I don't know about this girl's case, but I have Charlotte Gerson's book, which says on page 97 that most fruits are acceptable and may be consumed in quantity. She says that nuts are "too high in protein and fat."

[solarliving]

I'm sure some of you know Kevin Gianni Raw fooder. He just did a quick interview with Dr. Graham about Candida.

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMjcXQyiSQw

part 2 is on the side bar.

[donnyandcathy]

I get Kevin Gianna's e-mails, and saw both of these, but if you notice in the first one that Kevin said that this was not the way he healed his Candida.
I wish I could find his post about what he did.
This can all get so stinkin confusing :rolleyes:
Cathy

[rawmiss]

From what I've read, it's not the fruit but the fermentation that the fruit causes that agrevates candida. The way to eat fruit without it fermenting is to eat it on an empty stomach because if it is mixed with other foods it will ferment.

[RawKnitster]

I don't know if fruit will heal those who are ill, but I do know that what we don't eat matters as much as what we do eat. If someone eats a lot of fruit then they are probably eating less cooked and processed foods which is going to facilitate healing.

In the long run I think a variety of foods are required for healing and maintaining good health. That includes fruits, greens, vegetables, nuts, and seeds. I don't argue with the validity of the testimonies of those who follow a low-fat high-fruit diet, but is should be recognized that we are not all the same. Genetic factors, environment, and the ability of our digestive tracts to process what we eat all have to be considered when determining what diet is most healing for us as individuals.

[Seedy]

I get Kevin Gianna's e-mails, and saw both of these, but if you notice in the first one that Kevin said that this was not the way he healed his Candida.
I wish I could find his post about what he did.
This can all get so stinkin confusing :rolleyes:
Cathy

Dr. Doug made some good points in his interview. Avoiding fruit to solve a candida overgrowth is a backward way to go about a cure. The sugar isn't really the cause of the problem. The cause is that the sugar isn't getting 'escorted' into the cells by the body's insulin in a timely manner. This allows sugar to remain in the bloodstream too long and feed the yeast living there. The way around this is to restrict the amount of fat in the diet long enough to clear the fat out of the body's cells. It's the fat that prevents the sugar from entering the cells. Hense the 80:10:10 diet restricts fat. Its not that different from the non-raw diets of John McDougall, Neal Barnard, Dean Ornish, etc. Kevin's protocol was to drink tons of green juices and restrict both sugar and fat in his diet. It may have been a bit of an overkill, but it seemed to work for him.
Seedy (another Cathy with a 'C')

[donnyandcathy]

I agree with the fats, because that is when I feel the worst. I feel like a free bird today :D I've gone back to raw, and FRUITS, and I feel better today than I have in the past couple of weeks when I took the fruit out.

I am careful about food combining, and eating fruits on an empty stomach.
I know that can cause problems too.

I will make sure I get plenty of greens in the form of salads, and green smoothies, and I will also enjoy my fruit ;)

Seedy, I like your name, and yes, there are not many Cathy's with a "C"

Have a Blessed day!!
Cathy

[Myca]

I eat almost a whole pineapple every day, in divided meals. I also eat at least 4 bananas and at least 4 oranges. That is just my basics.
I was prediabetic or beginning stage 2 diabetic when I started this. Three months ago my blood sugar fasting was over 125. Now it is less than 90 fasting. I was originally worried about candida.
A week into raw, I seemed to have a massive yeast die off if the white nasty coating on my tongue was anything to go by.
I also eat cooked vegetables at times but my primary diet is fruit.
No candida and no blood sugar issues.
I really have no explaination.

[Myca]

A couple more things. Originally, I read that you should eat fruit alone. I tried that. It doesn't work well for me. I finish every vegtable meal I eat with fruit. I started doing that because raw (and cooked) vegtables left me not quite full. I feel full and satisfied now.
Also, I eat as much Olive Oil as I want. I'll let you know what the lab work says in November.

[donnyandcathy]

Myca,
That is very encouraging, and I'm so glad you are doing well!!

That is one thing I love about this board, that there are so many encouraging stories, and people that have truly been helped and even healed by eating raw foods.

Keep us posted!!
Cathy

[Mary Kay]

Myca,

What did you mean about the yeast die-off /tongue coating? You mean your tongue got really coated as the yeast was dying off? Or once it died off, your coated tongue got clear? Just curious.

I have read that during a fast, if your tongue is coated, and it goes away, you have been cleansed...However, it is not always reliable for everyone.

Mary Kay