Anyone have one of those norwalk juicers?

[iwuvmydoggy]

I was just browsing around on the Gerson Institute website & found a link to that Norwalk juicer (http://www.nwjcal.com/).. Seems very expensive! lol Anyone actually have one?

I found out why they don't use champion or green star:

Q. ) The juicing is so tedious, with all the grinding and pressing. Isn't there an easier and faster way, or a cheaper juicer that I could use?

A. ) Dr. Gerson said in his address to a group assembled in Escondido, California in 1956: "At first I thought that liquefiers would be the most wonderful thing. All the material was there, nothing was lost. But it didn't work." The rotating blade gives rise to a "dynamo effect", causing electricity to be generated, thus killing enzymes. The same is true of centrifugal juicers. Juices must be made by grinding the vegetables first, mixing them, and then pressing them in a press. We have come across cancer patients who tried to heal themselves on the Gerson Therapy using a centrifugal juicer, but they experienced no improvement. When they tried the Therapy with a Champion juicer, they did well. More seriously ill patients still need the grinding plus pressing type of juicer like the Norwalk to properly heal.

In response to a question from a patient about the two step juicing process, Dr. Gerson wrote that "the malic acid (contained in the apples) mixed with the ground carrots helps to release the minerals from the carrots." In other words, it is necessary to first grind the apples and carrots together into a bowl, using a grinder. Norwalk, or Champion juicers can all be used as grinders, but the Champion cannot be used as a press. The ground materials are mixed and then the mixture is placed in a press cloth and put under pressure in the Norwalk press. This process produces the best extraction, that is richest in minerals, and best in taste. Juice produced by the Champion juicer alone separates into a transparent liquid at the bottom and mush on top after a very short time. This juice is also harder for the patient to drink because of the particles, and is not as rich and homogeneous in nutrients.

More recently the Green Power juicer was introduced. It does a better job of extraction than the Champion when used as a juicer, but it offers no way (as the Champion does) to block the juicing action. It is impossible to use the Green Power juicer solely as a grinder, as it grinds and juices in one operation. While it extracts juice quite efficiently, it does not fulfill Dr. Gerson's requirement of mixing the ground apples and carrots thoroughly before pressing.

[annavon]

First of all, you might want to check out the stick thread on juicers.

I have a friend who has a Norwalk press. I found it very time consuming to use. I have read studies that say that the Norwalk produces superior juice, but only slightly better than a Champion or a Green Star (according to some research that I have read). I don't find the Green Star any more time consuming to use than the Norwalk press. Check out Aleesha's post on page three of the sticky thread. She has a comparison of Champion and Green Star.

Keep in mind that the Norwalk cost about $2,000 or more. I bought my Green Star for $229. I couldn't jusify paying 10 times the price for 1% improvement in quality.

[iwuvmydoggy]

i understand what you mean :)

i did read those threads :D lots of info on juicers. just curious if anyone actually has one of these Norwalks..

[Aleesha Sattva]

i'm curious as well. i'd love to use a norwalk during my fast...

anyone have one?

[sport]

Even on ebay they go for mad money. I have been watching for one as well but no joy.

[Revvell]

First of all, this makes no sense to me ~ "....but it offers no way (as the Champion does) to block the juicing action"...

HOW does the Champion block the juicing action and why would one want something that does? You want a juicer or not? :rolleyes:

Secondly, my teacher had a Norwalk. They're GREAT ~ if you want to spend double the time juicing AND having the possibility of the bag blow up and getting produce all over your kitchen as what happened to him.

As Annavon said, he also tried the Champion ( a real workhorse for carrots and other hard produce), the Green Power and one other juicer that was priced between the GS and the Norwalk. He chose to stay with the GP.

And no, I let others (him) try things before I circulate my funds on them so I've never gotten the Norwalk although I have had 2 Champions, I Green Power one Green Star and one Sampson ~ which I currently have.

[DebB]

First of all, this makes no sense to me ~ "....but it offers no way (as the Champion does) to block the juicing action"...

HOW does the Champion block the juicing action and why would one want something that does? You want a juicer or not? :rolleyes:

Secondly, my teacher had a Norwalk. They're GREAT ~ if you want to spend double the time juicing AND having the possibility of the bag blow up and getting produce all over your kitchen as what happened to him.

As Annavon said, he also tried the Champion ( a real workhorse for carrots and other hard produce), the Green Power and one other juicer that was priced between the GS and the Norwalk. He chose to stay with the GP.

And no, I let others (him) try things before I circulate my funds on them so I've never gotten the Norwalk although I have had 2 Champions, I Green Power one Green Star and one Sampson ~ which I currently have.

Hi Revvell ~ How do you like your Samson? I ask because I'm really intrigued that they now have an attachment (http://www.discountjuicers.com/oilpress.html)for it that will grind flax (and other seeds) for oil (cold pressed). I saw it on John Kohler's video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QTAFuioS4) last week.

I'm interested to know how you like it for greens, juicing in general and wheat grass. Thanks so much for any information! *Ü*

[Revvell]

Hi Revvell ~ How do you like your Samson? I ask because I'm really intrigued that they now have an attachment (http://www.discountjuicers.com/oilpress.html)for it that will grind flax (and other seeds) for oil (cold pressed). I saw it on John Kohler's video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QTAFuioS4) last week.

I'm interested to know how you like it for greens, juicing in general and wheat grass. Thanks so much for any information! *Ü*

I like it. The only thing I don't like it for is soft fruit. It does back up. Didn't know it has an attachment for grinding flax although, I doubt I'd ever use it for that as my VM does a great job. Grinding for oil? Hmmm. I dunno. Like most, cleaning the screen, unless you know the trick, is a pita. I'll have to check the vids. I like that it's much lighter than any other juicer I've had. Also, I only put small carrots through it... unless I feel to cut the big ones. Like the GS and GP, it takes patience to get the hard stuff through. Hoping that helps.

[DebB]

Thank you Revvell ~ That's all good to know. Thanks for posting back.

How do you like it for wheatgrass? Thank you! *Ü*

[Revvell]

Works GREAT for wheatgrass and most greens. I love to watch it just suck 'em down. Celery needs to be cut in smaller pieces so strings don't wrap.

Yer welcome.


Thank you Revvell ~ That's all good to know. Thanks for posting back.

How do you like it for wheatgrass? Thank you! *Ü*

[DebB]

Works GREAT for wheatgrass and most greens. I love to watch it just suck 'em down. Celery needs to be cut in smaller pieces so strings don't wrap.

Yer welcome.

It's lookin' better all the time then! :D

I'm mainly wanting a machine that will juice wheatgrass (I have a Champion) and the fact that this one will cold press flax oil too is a bonus.

[Revvell]

It's lookin' better all the time then! :D

I'm mainly wanting a machine that will juice wheatgrass (I have a Champion) and the fact that this one will cold press flax oil too is a bonus.

If you get one, let me know how the cold pressing works. Should be interesting. Would love to have fresh pressed flax oil.

[DebB]

I think I'm going to start rounding up unused items for Craig's List and start a neat little savings fund for the Samson! *Ü*

[Doc]

I do own a Norwalk Juicer. I had been putting off for a number of years, as many as 15, getting one. I also own a centrifugal Juicer (unused today). My mom used a Champion for many years, and I have considered other juicers but still opted for the Norwalk. I knew of the labor involved in operating the juicer. However, knowing the effects on health of even micronutrients, I considered other juicers to be lacking in some way. The reason I chose the Norwalk is that it has historically been reported to extract the highest quality juice, period. This the reason that I got it. Juice quality was the number one requirement. I also own a Vita-Mix (no advertisement intended) and Cuisinart food processor and use them almost daily for other food processing chores. The Vita-mix has its benefits (smoothies and whole-food drinks) as well as drawbacks (heat, dynamo effect).

Because of the juice quality I don't mind the work of the Norwalk. If you ever have a loved one to contract any type cancer, as I have, then cost nor labor figures into the decision of what juicer to get. The most effective reality is all that matters. And since the Norwalk juices can have a powerful effect on health, then cost and labor are non-issues. That said, I do advocate that everyone consume raw fruit and vegetable juices somehow. I do recommend that everyone reads the recommendations of the user community and give consideration to the admirable rationality that I find on these forums. Purchase what is right for you. However, always consider that there is a good, better, and best of anything that we humans produce or make. I will not say what is best for any given person, but in terms of juice quality, the Norwalk is unquestionably the best. Whether that quality is matched exactly by another juicer is unproven at present. Whether one can get tremendous health benefits from another of the fine juicers mentioned in this forum is also unquestionably true. As a matter of fact, since I am a realist, I advocate getting a juicer, any juicer at first, period. I know that as you grow into this community of juicers, you will advance your juice quality. And, if you have serious immediate health concerns, I would consider it a poor choice if costs and labor figured into your decision. For me, my health, and that of my loved ones, those two things do not figure into my health decisions. And, even the least advantage provided by the Norwalk is all the better.

I hopes this helps readers of this forum. I will summarize. In general, do get what is within your means to juice your fruits and vegetables. Read the forums for help with your decision. Next, for serious situations and those where juice quality is of paramount importance, get the Norwalk. Last. Juice and be happy. Tip. Celery juice with a little carrot, apple, and small part parsley with get your sex engines going real good, with the Norwalk. Someone may know of a better mix on another juicer. I think it good to report other positive experiences on other juicers. I would be happy to read them.

Grace be with you all.