HELP almost broke down on eggs

[cherry_lo]

I got a headache yesturday till I had a b supplement, which had b 12, then after a few hours it went away. Could be a coincidence but....
made me buy some free range eggs, but my head is telling me No. I do need some encouragement maybe in the form of facts, because most other articles just preach about how you should eat eggs, but I want to hear some againsts (if there are any, as I'm sure there are) to encourage me to stay the course.

[Aleesha Sattva]

Cherry,

We aren't hear to make you raw. You need to make yourself raw. We are hear to share information and on this board... eating eggs, meat, dairy etc is not something we do or really discuss... cause it's a mute point. It's not part of a raw vegan diet.

You need to follow what you want to do...
Aleesha

[cherry_lo]

I already stated what I want to do.
I'm sure you don't refuse to eat eggs for NO reason, as I've already heard things against all kinds of other forbidden foods.

[Aleesha Sattva]

I don't eat eggs because they aren't part of a raw vegan diet. That's my reasoning. I choose to follow Alissa's book and her suggestions on how to eat raw. That's why I'm here... cause I believe in what Alissa teaches.

We aren't here to convert anyone, as Alissa states:


You do not have to be 100% raw or even 50% raw, but you do need to be supportive of this lifestyle and striving towards or interested in this raw vegan diet. If you are having doubts or thinking that this is not for you that is fine but then this may not be the place for you. Just like a meat eaters board or a macrobiotic board would not be the place for a raw fooder who is just interested in forcing their thoughts upon those people. These people on this board are here for support, motivation and connection in connection with Alissa Cohen's book and DVDs Living on Live Food.
I would appreciate it if everyone would abide by this post.

Thank you,
Alissa


you can read her entire mission statement here (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=2933).

[Tenuho]

No dont mess with the eggs lol...

i understand why your asking for help i dont see anything wrong with it.....its pretty hard to stick to this kind of diet when you first start out....dont feel discourged....you obviously said this is something you WANT to do...its just not that easy...

Dont eat the eggs because its animal protein....i imagine your not going to eat the eggs raw right? then a cooked egg is basically void....it has nothing in it because the amino acids are 'stuck'' together and your body cant un-stick them to create the protein....

plus its heavy dense food...it takes alott more time for your body to digest an egg than it does a melon...so its going to use up alott of your energy...

me personally i stay away from dairy because i feel it takes up so much of my natural energy....and usually allways leaves me feeling sluggish....

[RaeVynn]

I recently read that a study found that mushrooms are a great source of B-12.
I'll have to dig that one up again.

I'm all for eating mushrooms :p

[cherry_lo]

Omg really?
I shall have to look that up as well, if that's so, then I'm very happy.

As far as being supportive, of course I am. But I need a reason beyond "alissa said so", as right as she maybe I like to have my own head on my shoulders and confirm everything with scientific study.

[Revvell]

As far as being supportive, of course I am. But I need a reason beyond "alissa said so", as right as she maybe I like to have my own head on my shoulders and confirm everything with scientific study.

As stated in another thread of yours, if you've not gotten Alissa's book, you might purchase it. Well worth the cost AND you'll find out her expertise on raw food. Until then, you'll not know why we frequent this board and eat raw vegan. There's a thread here on Alissa's book stating what others have gotten from it.

Then pick up a copy of "The China Study" and "Live Food Factor (http://www.livefoodfactor.com/specialoffer/index.php?af=984684)" both of which give scientific evidence on eating animal carcasses.

[cherry_lo]

Thanks I'll look them up

[fruitandveggies]

Yes yes to The China Study! You will never want to eat anything from an animal again!

That's by T. Colin Campbell, PhD, by the way.

[cherry_lo]

Good, I like good motivation in book form. To me it's all about the mindset, if I have a really good reason, I'll never even find that stuff tempting.
Btw, no matter how much I bitch and moan, I feel better, going to the gym to work off my energy. wooo

[michigan roman]

i'll cheat on raw but not vegan

reason being is my philosophy is that our souls our eternal ,
and we grow body after body on our souls til we master the
physical laws of the universe and in the process attain complete
eternal control of our body states . so im focused on evolving
into my design of the universes perfect citizen / creature type .
and in my design the perfect citizen of the universe isnt going
to be existing as a parasite (eating eggs of other creatures)
or predator . thats the foundation i assumed 15 years ago when
i began existing as a herbivore

previously ide been the standard omnivore for 35 years whom consumed
eggs like everyone else , now the thought never crosses my mind .
but i do think of vegan pizza or burritos ;)

* i find roquette / arugula to have a sorta sulfery taste like eggs ,
and theyre a quick / easy green to grow . can get seed cheap at
www.willhiteseed.com

[cherry_lo]

i'll cheat on raw but not vegan

reason being is my philosophy is that our souls our eternal ,
and we grow body after body on our souls til we master the
physical laws of the universe and in the process attain complete
eternal control of our body states . so im focused on evolving
into my design of the universes perfect citizen / creature type .
and in my design the perfect citizen of the universe isnt going
to be existing as a parasite (eating eggs of other creatures)
or predator . thats the foundation i assumed 15 years ago when
i began existing as a herbivore

previously ide been the standard omnivore for 35 years whom consumed
eggs like everyone else , now the thought never crosses my mind .
but i do think of vegan pizza or burritos ;)

* i find roquette / arugula to have a sorta sulfery taste like eggs ,
and theyre a quick / easy green to grow . can get seed cheap at
www.willhiteseed.com
Hay your spiritual beliefs are very similar if not identical to mine
then again that isn't all that shocking
and this is something that I was looking for for motivation, it works

[michigan roman]

Hay your spiritual beliefs are very similar if not identical to mine
then again that isn't all that shocking
and this is something that I was looking for for motivation, it works

next step is that imo a raw plant diet is optimum body cell fuel ,
and shall be found to be the only way to attain an eternal body
state = perfectly / properly fueling the existances of ones cells .
and the harder we push now in our current bodies to develop
the perfect diet habit the more deeply ingrained it shall be in
our instincts / deep memory in our next body and thusly improve
our chances of making that body eternal . unless of course your
awesome enough to make your current body eternal ;)
im thinking that i just may be :p

next step the exercise habit = running anyone :D

[cherry_lo]

next step is that imo a raw plant diet is optimum body cell fuel ,
and shall be found to be the only way to attain an eternal body
state = perfectly / properly fueling the existances of ones cells .
and the harder we push now in our current bodies to develop
the perfect diet habit the more deeply ingrained it shall be in
our instincts / deep memory in our next body and thusly improve
our chances of making that body eternal . unless of course your
awesome enough to make your current body eternal ;)
im thinking that i just may be :p

next step the exercise habit = running anyone :D

Oh I'm kind of an excercise junkie, and it shocks me that fruits and veggies provide enough energy for me to get even a better preformance from myself than before. Also I'm doing this to beat depression, which to me is a desease of the soul (not to sound cheesy) and I read that plants contain tryptophan but because there isn't as much protein, and more carbohydrates, it passes the blood brain barrier easier thus creating more available seretonin (the feel good hormone).

[michigan roman]

Oh I'm kind of an excercise junkie, and it shocks me that fruits and veggies provide enough energy for me to get even a better preformance from myself than before. Also I'm doing this to beat depression, which to me is a desease of the soul (not to sound cheesy) and I read that plants contain tryptophan but because there isn't as much protein, and more carbohydrates, it passes the blood brain barrier easier thus creating more available seretonin (the feel good hormone).

not sure how deeply studied you are on this diet ,
but in case havent read the omegas such as found
in flax seed are helpful in depress . i like grinding
whole flax seed in blender to add to things

and i agree it is a disease of the soul ,
theres alot of disfunctional humans currently on
earth that are making everyone else sick / depressed with them .
so its kinda like a ' weather the storm ' mode for now ,
a time to go deeply into ones self and get ones body
tighter on the soul . getting more efficient and masterful
in our habits / style / focus , and if to weather the storm
come out of it greater for the struggle . stronger and more
self efficient , closer to mastering the physical laws of the universe

just dont pay attention to the tv or it will throw you off course , imo that is :cool:

[LilacLavender]

True, most people here are impressed by the results and haven't thought much about the cause. I say the cause is just as important to make sure that we're not causing other problems along the way (eg deficiencies that take time to manifest, etc.)

I myself wouldn't be raw if I didn't think it made sense scientifically. Having said that, I'm going to refer you to a post on this board where a member summed everything up very nicely and cited sources:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthrea...entific&page=2

Arky's post is halfway down page 2 if the link doesn't take you there automatically.

(Copied from where I originally posted this on http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=47843&highlight=scientific&page=2)

Hi, Arky. Still posting these days? I think you're brilliant!

[cherry_lo]

the first link said it couldn't be found
the second link I am not sure if Arky is the username, is it the post with the picture of a chart?

[cherry_lo]

never mind I have it, reading. It already eased my mind about one of the things I was worried about, lets see about the rest.

[Ilse W.]

The thing with eggs is that the only way they are not UNHEALTHY is raw, and do you REALLY want to eat them that way? There you go. Stay raw AND vegan!

[cherry_lo]

I wonder why nobody ever mentions Demi Moore, she's a raw foodist last I heard.

[Ilse W.]

Why is that significant?

[cherry_lo]

I think it is, she is famous, people use her as a role model.

[iwuvmydoggy]

your life in your hands by jane a plant is also a good book. :0) she's a scientist and has all kinda charts and whatnot for why we shouldn't eat animal proteins.

second reason.. BABY CHICKIES ARE SO CUTE!!!!
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m120/jainuk/too-cute-bird-and-cat.jpg

third, if they can resist, so can you!
http://www.ananova.com/images/web/997729.jpg

lol awww they're so cute!! look at those cute little fuzzy hineys!!! :o i love chickens.

[cherry_lo]

Omg they are XD

[Cerellia]

Anything that comes from an animal is not part of our natural diet (read more about this here: http://dpcpress.com/natural_diet.html), so it contains things that are foreign to our body and harm it )animal proteins, too much cholestorol, ect..).
Plus the moral reason: Did you know that all male chicks are killed immidiatly after birth because only the female ones can be used for profit (yes, this is also true for the free ranged eggs).

[cherry_lo]

I didn't know that, THAT'S HORRIBLE!

[iluvmangos]

I got a headache yesturday till I had a b supplement, which had b 12, then after a few hours it went away. Could be a coincidence but....
made me buy some free range eggs, but my head is telling me No. I do need some encouragement maybe in the form of facts, because most other articles just preach about how you should eat eggs, but I want to hear some againsts (if there are any, as I'm sure there are) to encourage me to stay the course.

I think it was most likely coincidence that your headache went away after a few hours of taking a vitamin supplement. Who knows what caused it or why it went away, but I doubt that it was because you were already B12 deficient after just a few days of going raw vegan. You likely have ample B12 stored up from when you ate animal products. From another post, I know you at least ate dairy before, but I don't know about meat.

Anyway, if you're concerned about B12, just take a B12 supplement. No need for eggs or other animal products.

[cherry_lo]

Here's a question.
Can I use my oven while I don't have a dehydrator, on low of course. I really want to make some raw pies and stuff, I used to love getting creative with limited food I can use.

[Ilse W.]

Only if you can set the temp between 104 and about 118 max degrees F.

[cherry_lo]

Only if you can set the temp between 104 and about 118 max degrees F.
150 is the min, but if I put it in the middle with the door open, and turn it on for a bit and off every few hours, maybe it could work...

[cherry_lo]

what about just putting things in the sun

[Ilse W.]

Depending on where you live, putting it in the sun should work. It doesn't work so well in a very humid climate, but dry heat works fine, especially if you have some kind of wire mesh you can put things on so they get air from the top and the bottom. I know it would work for dehydrating vegetables, tomatoes and the like. Probably not so much for recipes like onion bread or nut loaves. Could be worth a try, though. Or you could check Walmart for one of the round, fairly cheap (abouth $45) dehydrators that several people said they had and loved. It doesn't have to be an expensive excalibur.

[cherry_lo]

Oh sweet, walmart saves the day

[Revvell]

Here's a question.
Can I use my oven while I don't have a dehydrator, on low of course. I really want to make some raw pies and stuff, I used to love getting creative with limited food I can use.

Raw pies, cookies, cakes, loaves and burgers can be made without a dehydrator.

[iluvmangos]

Oh sweet, walmart saves the day

I'd only use a Wal-Mart one if it has an adjustable thermostat. Otherwise, it's probably gonna cook your food. I got a VegiKiln from ebay. It's cheaper than the Excalibur. The Good 4 U is also cheaper than the Excalibur. Go look 'em up on ebay. Alissa doesn't have any dehydrators in her store right now.

[cherry_lo]

Raw pies, cookies, cakes, loaves and burgers can be made without a dehydrator.

Hmm okay, I shall try

[Bananna]

I use my oven all the time...works great. Just put it on low and stick a mug in the door to prop it open just a bit. My food never gets too warm that I can't touch it.

Sun should work these days though...

[cherry_lo]

Omg okay, because I already soaked the flaxseeds and wanted to try out making those cracker things
do I just grind it with the mush and all and then try to dry it or do I need to thicken it with anything?

[Aleesha Sattva]

you grind it FIRST, then soak, and it becomes the glue you need. ;)

[LilacLavender]

the first link said it couldn't be found
the second link I am not sure if Arky is the username, is it the post with the picture of a chart?

Hmmm I wonder why those links didn't work. The first link is HERE (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10689&highlight=arky+scientific&page=2) and the second was just to the same post I made before in response to another thread, which is HERE (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=47843&highlight=arky+scientific&page=2).

Yes, Arky is a user name of a member on these boards.

[LilacLavender]

150 is the min, but if I put it in the middle with the door open, and turn it on for a bit and off every few hours, maybe it could work...

I've done this; it works just fine. Think about it--what's in there is probably not going to reach the full 150 degrees, in the same way as a Thanksgiving turkey doesn't reach a temperature equal to that of the setting the oven is on.

[michigan roman]

wow yes arky so very bright , has taught us so much . and also in the thread was the walking library shivanda , another very bright person . missing from that thread from those days was rawtruth , a great rawfood teacher

[cherry_lo]

you grind it FIRST, then soak, and it becomes the glue you need. ;)

now that I know what happens to flaxeeds, it makes sense
first one didn't turn out