alchohol withdrawl seizures question

[michigan roman]

a long term drinker that when stops drinking develops bad seizures

is there any natural ways to help with this

also , this person still daily drinks hard alchohol .
nervous system is addicted to it . and near age 50
with 30 years of serious drinking gone on this person
has become much less mentally , becoming kinda
mentally lethargic / dulled up . so im wondering if
anyone knows a good site where i can get facts
on brain damage being done by long term drinking
to present to this perrson

[spicyfull]

I think he needs More than a Pep Talk, He needs to go to a Fecility where Educated People, trained in this Field, can help him. Does he have a Family? He sure has a DEATH WISH. He probably will have SERIOUS Withdrawl and DT's. Get him on a Talk Show and they will get him the help he needs.

Thanks for Caring enough, even More than he, trying to Find him HELP..........

[michigan roman]

thanx spicy

this person has been thru professional programs and had quit for a year but fell back into it

and i think tries to quit but when does has seizures where starts uncontrolably shaking and blacking out . so continues to drink because fears seizures .

so im wondering if theres a herb or suppliment etc that could help avoid the seizure spells

[pixie_333]

i don't think i've ever heard about something like this happening.

i know with first hand experience and everyone else alcoholic... the withdrawl is primarly a SUGAR withdrawl! going faint, shakes, panic attacks etc... all you have to do is eat fruit like bananas or hard candy like life savers... orange juice is fantastic and i am very against eating honey, but took the recommendations of other alcoholics to add honey to my OJ and i was shocked how much it helped take the withdrawls out.

but his condition i am not familur with. perhaps phone a drug rehab or an a.a. hotline and ask.

[michigan roman]

thanx pixie

ive been reading about B1 / thiamine deficiency being part of problem with withdrawls so got this person on nutritonal yeast

so with the sugar info i'll inform to consume more fruits .
this persons been thru the basic AA and another type of program but i doubt either program taught much good about the nutritional aspects of the problem

and from the little i read at the AA site it dont impress me much

[katchmoleen]

Hi, there, alcohol withdrawal seizures can be fatal; they are not something you want to mess around with. Any doctor will help by prescribing medication to get through the withdrawal of he is sure that the person will use it correctly. A low dose, tapering, of ativan is what we use at the detention center where I work. 2 mg twice a day for three days, then one mg twice a day for three days, then it stops. The person also gets B vitamins, specifically thiamine every day. Valium will also work in the place of the ativan. Some people need higher doses if their alcohol intake has been very high for a long time. You are great for wanting to help your friend. If you go with him to the doctor to get the medication, and then stay with him during the withdrawal, it would help a lot. There are also several medications one can stay on afterwards that will make one sick if one drinks alcohol.....aversion therapy. I would think that drinking raw juices during the withdrawal would also help. Most people are very nauseated and can't eat much.

[michigan roman]

Hi, there, alcohol withdrawal seizures can be fatal; they are not something you want to mess around with. Any doctor will help by prescribing medication to get through the withdrawal of he is sure that the person will use it correctly. A low dose, tapering, of ativan is what we use at the detention center where I work. 2 mg twice a day for three days, then one mg twice a day for three days, then it stops. The person also gets B vitamins, specifically thiamine every day. Valium will also work in the place of the ativan. Some people need higher doses if their alcohol intake has been very high for a long time. You are great for wanting to help your friend. If you go with him to the doctor to get the medication, and then stay with him during the withdrawal, it would help a lot. There are also several medications one can stay on afterwards that will make one sick if one drinks alcohol.....aversion therapy. I would think that drinking raw juices during the withdrawal would also help. Most people are very nauseated and can't eat much.

thank you :)

this is the type guy that doesnt go to doctors or complain about ailments
so its always difficult . this is a great friend i grew up with , and theres alot of us trying to steer him outta the trouble we see him as being in . but to me the alchohol has made him egotistical which makes him see it as everybody else doesnt know what theyre talking about and that he can handle it . he cant see himself and how alchoholism has dulled him mentally and made him real crabby most the time when hes not drunk , then when gets drunk it just makes him talk alot of nonsense

[pixie_333]

thanx pixie

ive been reading about B1 / thiamine deficiency being part of problem with withdrawls so got this person on nutritonal yeast

so with the sugar info i'll inform to consume more fruits .
this persons been thru the basic AA and another type of program but i doubt either program taught much good about the nutritional aspects of the problem

and from the little i read at the AA site it dont impress me much

a.a. doesn't talk about food. and oddly not a whole lot knows about the sugar issue. i was having bad withdrawls for the first 4-5 days and fortunetly some old timers told me what to do and it really works. it doesn't fix/cure the habit and it takes months to get out of old thinking where the drink is involved. it really isn't easy quiting once you're alcoholic. and your friend sounds more advanced than where it took me. but it's very rare one can not stop. i've heard about some cases where some have gotten so advanced that it meant death to stop. but i feel there's always a solution and hopefully so for your friend.

i only did a.a. a small number of times the first couple months sober. i needed it and am grateful for those who helped me. there's some wonderful people there in a.a. but a.a. isn't for me. i don't agree with their training and some info and threats etc. most fall into their trap and is very unhealthy for the mind, body and spirit. but if you need to talk to someone... it can be a good place who may understand.

i think it's great what you're doing to help your friend. and hopefully the day will come when he's ready to quit and live a healthy and fullfilling life. it usualy only happens when ones ready.

[pixie_333]

ps

also... it takes time to ger to the bottom of it and throughout years more recalls come about... but there's always a beginning. what was going on in ones life when they started drinking? what were they escaping from? was there family and/or social abuse? what insecurities arise when one wants a drink?
and just questions like that...

there's always a beginning.... then add ons throughout life but often related to the starting ones.

once one can get to the bottom of the issues and release it-heal it and send it love and not be so angry, hurt and upset anymore.... this is the main key to having recovery. gaining self esteem. once one loves thyself enough... you care more not to do all the harm. but sometimes even loving the self and still abusing... you just need more time to sort things out in life before taking next step.

[eatyourbroccoli]

i wish your friend the best in his recovery. i second the idea that he should seek professional assistance, as alcohol recovery can be dangerous.

as a suggestion, i've read that skullcap can help ease symptoms of drug/alcohol withdrawal.

good luck to him

[juliebove]

I did two reports on alcoholism. One in Jr. High and one in high school. For sure it is an addiction and also a medical condition that is usually best handled by professionals. This person needs to be an in patient in a treatment facility where they can handle any seizures or other problems that might crop up.

Staying off of alcohol is one thing. Getting off of it is another. It's no big deal for a person who is not an alcoholic to stop drinking. But an alcoholic can't just go cold turkey.

[pixie_333]

But an alcoholic can't just go cold turkey.

uhhh yeah one can. don't know where you got your info from, but that's very incorrect.

[spicyfull]

Hi, there, alcohol withdrawal seizures can be fatal; they are not something you want to mess around with. Any doctor will help by prescribing medication to get through the withdrawal of he is sure that the person will use it correctly.Thanks, it is SERIOUS...

MR. if nothing else is working........Its TIME FOR SOME TOUGH LOVE. Take him by his pants pocket and take his skinng BUT to the Drs yourself. You can always take him to a Clinic, Emergency....Would he happen to be a Vet? If so, you get him there and they will take over ( The VA Hospital).

Above ALL Don't let him draw you into Co-dependcy.

[iwuvmydoggy]

a long term drinker that when stops drinking develops bad seizures

is there any natural ways to help with this

also , this person still daily drinks hard alchohol .
nervous system is addicted to it . and near age 50
with 30 years of serious drinking gone on this person
has become much less mentally , becoming kinda
mentally lethargic / dulled up . so im wondering if
anyone knows a good site where i can get facts
on brain damage being done by long term drinking
to present to this perrson

I watched an episode of Dr G Medical Examiner & there was a guy that was like that.. He just quit cold turkey and he ended up dead in the middle of a parking lot... So Dr G said that if your body is that addicted to it, that you should slowly ween yourself off of it, otherwise you could end up dead... And if this guy is having seizures, he should probably ween himself off of the alcohol, or that could be him in the parking lot. :(

My dad was/is an alcoholic, but he hasn't had anything to drink in over a year.. So I know how this is.. :/ My dad was probably an alcoholic for 30+ years, too (i'm 25 now & he's in his 50's).. So anyway.. I wish you the best of luck with this fellow.. But I am not sure of any websites or anything. I used to be friends with a Japanese neurosurgeon, but I lost contact with him about a year ago, otherwise I'd ask him for you, cause he would definitely know! (Japanese drink a lot & he operates on them.. lol)

[RaeVynn]

Personally, whenever I have indulged in alcohol, I load up on Milk Thistle. It is an herb that supports the liver. Whenever I've taken MT, i have NOT had a hangover afterwards.
Since the liver is the primary organ of detox, I would make the assumption that anything that could be done to support the liver would be the first step to healing from alcohol abuse.

[juliebove]

uhhh yeah one can. don't know where you got your info from, but that's very incorrect.

The library. And very dangerous to do so. I know plenty of alcoholics. Or I should say former alcoholics. All would say medical intervention is the best way to go.

[pixie_333]

The library. And very dangerous to do so. I know plenty of alcoholics. Or I should say former alcoholics. All would say medical intervention is the best way to go.

i'm an advanced alcoholic and quit cold turkey. nearly every alcoholic has quit cold turkey. i've been involved in a.a. since the 80's and off n on since. only those that are basicaly conned by their doctor to use meds are the ones that take meds... or want some kind of short cut out of withdrawl feeling powerless/decieved. and taking sugar really helps take the withdrawls out. i have heard thousands of leads and people sharing... it's extremely seldom people take meds.

that is very false information that it is dangerous to quit cold turkey. i can see the circumstance may change with a sezuire case.