View Full Version : Sometimes I wonder if people are naturally fruitarians rather than vegetarians.
Gaius
06-15-2009, 02:55 PM
Sometimes I look at what I eat and I can't help but notice how my greens are all dressed up with oils, avocados, lemon, etc, and I wonder if this is how we're supposed to eat.
Shouldn't our natural foods be completely palatable to us with no dressings at all? Shouldnt we be enjoy biting into some raw kale or spinach the same way we bite into a fresh mango or apple? The same way as a carnivore relishes digging into it's kill? The same way a cow relishes some fresh green grass?
I wonder that sometimes, don't you?
Veronica01
06-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Oh i know i'm a fruitarian lol.... i don't really know if vegetarian came from vegetables or vegetation... in whichcase fruit is still part of plant vegetation i think.
Primates predominantly eat fruit leaves and a little seeds and insects and i like eating in that ratio too as it seems to be what works for me and what i crave. I also don't use overt oils on my lettuces as it doesn't make sense to me.
Gaius
06-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Oh i know i'm a fruitarian lol.... i don't really know if vegetarian came from vegetables or vegetation... in whichcase fruit is still part of plant vegetation i think.
Primates predominantly eat fruit leaves and a little seeds and insects and i like eating in that ratio too as it seems to be what works for me and what i crave. I also don't use overt oils on my lettuces as it doesn't make sense to me.
Yep, that's what I do too.
Veronica01
06-15-2009, 03:10 PM
OH FYI i don't eat the insects though by choice.... lol forgot to mention that
Humanist
06-15-2009, 03:13 PM
In his book, "The Natural Food of Man," Dr. Emmet Densmore concludes that we are frugivores, closely related to fruit and nut eating apes, whose digestive systems are essentially the same as ours.
T-Bird
06-15-2009, 03:18 PM
Don't talk about nuts to veronica! She will not go for that!
Gaius
06-15-2009, 03:19 PM
OH FYI i don't eat the insects though by choice.... lol forgot to mention that
In some countries, they serve insect tacos on the street. They're not bad with some lemon and chili sauce.
snoops
06-15-2009, 03:21 PM
Shouldn't our natural foods be completely palatable to us with no dressings at all? Shouldnt we be enjoy biting into some raw kale or spinach the same way we bite into a fresh mango or apple? The same way as a carnivore relishes digging into it's kill? The same way a cow relishes some fresh green grass?
Or have our taste buds just been destroyed by all the refined crap we have eaten in the past? Chimps never had nachos and beer to redefine their taste buds. They eat what is there because their bodies need it not because it tastes good - maybe.
Veronica01
06-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Don't talk about nuts to veronica! She will not go for that!
??? Nuts are not evil.... they just slow detoxing and can lead to candida and fatigue problems... I just don't eat them every day only when i want to, but i eat fruit all day every day as it gives me energy instead of taking energy to digest.
Veronica01
06-15-2009, 03:29 PM
In some countries, they serve insect tacos on the street. They're not bad with some lemon and chili sauce.
I was never one for street meat. :) I think i can continue to survive without it lol
gabriele
06-15-2009, 04:23 PM
Sometimes I look at what I eat and I can't help but notice how my greens are all dressed up with oils, avocados, lemon, etc, and I wonder if this is how we're supposed to eat.
Shouldn't our natural foods be completely palatable to us with no dressings at all?
I've often wondered this myself. I know a lot of people love their greens, but not me, blech, i have to put a non-raw dressing on my salad or i can't eat it. I've tried everything, even making my own (no chef here, that's for sure) and it's just not working. So the greater advantage for me is to eat this gigantic salad with a less than optimal dressing, otherwise, no salad at all.
Fruits seem so much more palatable, don't they? I envy people who love their greens.
cara4art
06-15-2009, 04:49 PM
All good points here! But you know, the EASIEST way to get plenty of greens in without added FAT is green smoothies. You simply can't go wrong with including at least one of these daily along with one's other food - IMO. You can get a LOT more greens in this way, without worrying about those two teaspoons of olive oil you've added to the salad. Although I'm not totally strict myself about not including overt FATS in my diet, I do however count out my nuts, no more than 7-8 almonds for a serving, for example, to top some fruit, or to put in a salad. And certainly no more than 2 tsp. of olive oil, and no more than half of a small avocado at a time. And I pretty much avoid making raw desserts, as so many are so very high in FAT.
RawYorkCity
06-15-2009, 04:59 PM
Fruits seem so much more palatable, don't they? I envy people who love their greens.
Same here. Leafy green, cucumbers, celery (hence my avatar :o) do not taste that good to me.
Rufassa
06-15-2009, 05:06 PM
Or have our taste buds just been destroyed by all the refined crap we have eaten in the past? Chimps never had nachos and beer to redefine their taste buds. They eat what is there because their bodies need it not because it tastes good - maybe.
If that's your argument then what explains that we can bit straight into a piece of fruit with no problem. I agree that I can eat fruit all day with no condiments but I need to dress other vegetables up in order to enjoy them. I also crave fruit more than other vegetables now that I am raw.
My vote says we are frugavoires although I don’t think we are straight fruitarians.
Rufassa
06-15-2009, 05:10 PM
All good points here! But you know, the EASIEST way to get plenty of greens in without added FAT is green smoothies. You simply can't go wrong with including at least one of these daily along with one's other food - IMO. You can get a LOT more greens in this way, without worrying about those two teaspoons of olive oil you've added to the salad. Although I'm not totally strict myself about not including overt FATS in my diet, I do however count out my nuts, no more than 7-8 almonds for a serving, for example, to top some fruit, or to put in a salad. And certainly no more than 2 tsp. of olive oil, and no more than half of a small avocado at a time. And I pretty much avoid making raw desserts, as so many are so very high in FAT.
Isn't fruit used to sweeten a green smoothie? Would this actually help strengthen the point that fruit is the most natural food?
Dimond
06-15-2009, 05:16 PM
I love savory/spicy way more than sweet so it would be much harder for me to be fruitarian. I know I'm unusual in that aspect though. I have learned to enjoy those foods with much less flavoring, but still like some. Also enjoy fruit and a wider variety more than ever. But still always crave salads and other savory foods.
iluvmangos
06-15-2009, 05:17 PM
Well, then who's supposed to eat all them veggies? :confused:
T-Bird
06-15-2009, 05:20 PM
Maybe I'm weird, it's been suggested before.:p
I love cukes and celery - the smell of parsley drives me wild, I have to pop some in my mouth while cutting it up for a recipe. Dill - oh the aroma, the flavor! Lettuce is awesome, crunchy, sweet, succulent....and it's a "gateway" green, leading you further and further into the "hard core" greens, like kale and arugula.
What's use would tomato, avocado, and lime be without Cilantro?!?!?
eh - Fruits are for kids!
snoops
06-15-2009, 05:26 PM
[QUOTE=T-Bird;535217]and it's a "gateway" green, leading you further and further into the "hard core" greens, like kale and arugula.
QUOTE]
Excellent post - but yes you are wierd:D:D
LilacLavender
06-15-2009, 05:57 PM
I wonder if we were born naturally whether we'd want to eat greens or not...I for one feel healthier the more greens I eat.
RawHeaven
06-15-2009, 06:39 PM
i'm a fruitarian in the summer for sure. my body seems to require fruit much more during the warmer months. the season for deep cleansing and the scorching heat warrants easier to digest foods perhaps.
DejaVu
06-15-2009, 06:58 PM
The only problem with too much fruit, is too much sugar. I know someone who was a vegan for 20 years, and now at 60yrs old, his doctor told him his triglicerides were high from eating too much fruit all his life. He's started to eat fish again and drink milk to balance his diet, even though he does't enjoy it.
katchmoleen
06-15-2009, 07:14 PM
This is really interesting to me. I have never been much of a fruit eater. As a kid I was so weird to my family because I loved broccoli and spinach and hated cantaloupe and apples. The fruits I do love are the lower glycemic ones like berries and grapefruit. Once I began my quest for better health, I found that the diet I felt the best physically on was a low carb diet. Now that I am going all raw, I feel naturally attracted to the Gabriel Cousens low glycemic plan (no fruit for the first 3 months). And guess what, I am pre-diabetic and had gestational diabetes with all my pregnancies. I guess my body really knows what it needs. The only monkey wrench in all this is that I really do have a sweet tooth for cakes and candies etc. So I say listen to your body, unless it is telling you to head down to Mickey D's
Jehote
06-15-2009, 07:32 PM
no dressing here! always have done salads dry. love a LOT of greens alone or in a smoothie. my smoothies are very green heavy!
i think its taste, upbringing etc. have a lot to do with what you like taste wise.
Matthew
Humanist
06-15-2009, 07:38 PM
The only problem with too much fruit, is too much sugar. I know someone who was a vegan for 20 years, and now at 60yrs old, his doctor told him his triglicerides were high from eating too much fruit all his life. He's started to eat fish again and drink milk to balance his diet, even though he does't enjoy it.
After 40 years as a vegan, I was told that my triglycerides were too high. It was the starches—potatoes, rice, bread, cereals, etc. Fruit sugar is not the problem.
LilacLavender
06-15-2009, 07:47 PM
In the same way, I've learned to love green juice.
Raw Angel Mom
06-15-2009, 08:24 PM
If i don't have my fruits, i have headache. But now, that i had a taste of more vegetables and especially the greens, i actually crave for it more then the fruits. I rarely eat a whole fruits like this, i just have them in my smoothies. I still enjoy fresh berries or any berries family alone. The rest of the fruits, i prefer them with greens. I want to try Dr. Gabriel Cousens diet to shut down the compost in us, for that we need to stay away from any sugar. If i do that, i probably will do a vegetable juice fast or something.
Aleesha Sattva
06-15-2009, 08:25 PM
mmmm fruit... love my fruit.
Green_Woman
06-15-2009, 08:41 PM
Love fruit. LOVE greens. Love veggies.
Occasionally enjoy rice, too, but that's not RAW and when I'm at 100%, as I am now, I abstain. ;)
I enjoy a delicious raw dressing + olives + veggies on my salads... while Mr. A prefers his salads fresh and free of ANY toppings.
To each their own - life is good green. :D
Pking
06-15-2009, 09:13 PM
If you think about it, it seems that we are naturally designed to be drawn to fruit more than veggies. The bright colors, texture, aroma and juiciness (?) of in season fruit makes our senses kick into high gear. I love my greens, but if you put them next to some fruit, I'll probably grab the fruit first.
Jehote
06-15-2009, 09:15 PM
if you put them next to some fruit, I'll probably grab the fruit first.
hadnt thought about that!
yep. i think so to.
Matthew
cara4art
06-15-2009, 09:53 PM
"Isn't fruit used to sweeten a green smoothie? Would this actually help strengthen the point that fruit is the most natural food?" - Rufassa
Forgot to mention, that indeed I do put in fruit in my smoothies, and eat it at other times too. I LOVE fruit, and would just DIE if someone told me I couldn't have any - LOL! The point I was making was that doing the green smoothies(along with the fruit of course)was that it made it easy to include lots of greens without the use of FAT(unless one wanted some of course). Yes, fruit is a natural food for humans, and often it is easier for people to get into eating more fruit and they have to make a conscious effort to include more veggies in their diet, even when not yet raw. There are some people who naturally gravitate towards high fruit, others toward more veggies+greens, and even within the same person, one's desires can change too. That's why it's wise to listen to your body(addictive cravings don't count here - LOL!)as to what it wants. Some periods will be fruit-filled, others might be loading up on greens, etc. Some periods might be eating more complex meals until one just wants simpler food too. It's all good!
juliebove
06-15-2009, 10:04 PM
I could never be a fruitarian because I just don't like fruit. Most of it tastes bad to me. And by fruit, I mean sweet fruit. I do like lemons and limes and occasionally a grapefruit. I will eat the odd apple or pear, maybe once a year and perhaps some cherries or strawberries, mainly because they are in our yard. Or the strawberries were until my husband destroyed them.
I don't like dressing. Don't like it at all. I prefer my salads to be crisp! I might put a squirt of lemon juice on there an some salt, or if I am in the mood for Mexican food, I might put a little salsa on there. But never dressing!
Gaius
06-15-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm about 75% fruitarian at the moment. 85% if you count nuts as fruit, which they technically are.
*RayRay*
06-15-2009, 11:20 PM
Sometimes I look at what I eat and I can't help but notice how my greens are all dressed up with oils, avocados, lemon, etc, and I wonder if this is how we're supposed to eat.
Shouldn't our natural foods be completely palatable to us with no dressings at all? Shouldnt we be enjoy biting into some raw kale or spinach the same way we bite into a fresh mango or apple? The same way as a carnivore relishes digging into it's kill? The same way a cow relishes some fresh green grass?
I wonder that sometimes, don't you?
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I believe we are fruitarians, and have also wondered the same as you about having to put something on our greens to make them palatable..... anyone read arnold ehret's mucusless diet healing system??? he talks about us being fruitarians....
kidkid
06-16-2009, 01:55 AM
If you think about it, it seems that we are naturally designed to be drawn to fruit more than veggies. The bright colors, texture, aroma and juiciness (?)
Good point, but I think we should also think of it from the plant's perspective. The plant has evolved to make the fruit attractive and bright and colorful and sweet to entice us to eat it and spread the seeds. The plant probably does not desire us to eat its leaves as much as its fruits. But that doesn't mean that the leaves are less nutritious and that our bodies don't desire them as well.
Also, plants have been selected and developed by human gardeners and horticulturalists for thousands of years to have the most tender and tasty leaves and the sweetest, biggest, softest, and brightest fruits. The story of why fruits and vegetables taste and feel the way they do is a deep, complex, and interesting story, and we have had a huge hand in designing our own food and thus our own desires and nutritional needs.
RawKnitster
06-16-2009, 02:50 AM
Usually I avoid this topic, but since you asked I will tell you what I think. :)
In my opinion....No. I base this opinion on personal experience and research. To sum it up I paraphrase the following from David Wolfe's "Sunfood Diet Success System":
While there are many wonderful things about a fruitarian diet, it has to be done correctly, and only for a period of time, not indefinitely. Greens must be eaten with it. Too much hybridized sweet fruit will throw the body off balance. All frugivorous primates include green leaves in their diets, also, fats must be derived from avocados, durians, or olives.
A long term fruitarian diet brings up the possibility of multiple types of nutritional deficiencies (demineralization and a lack of B vitamins) and potential neurological problems (especially those involving a lack of long-chain omega 3 fatty acids such as DHA and EPA).
It one goes too long on a high-fruit diet, the first thing that will happen is a sodium deficient, the next thing that will occur is a deficiency in calcium.
However, experimenting with the fruitarian diet is fun in the short term (days/weeks).
1. Eat no more than 33% high sugar fruits
2. Eat plenty of non-sweet fruits (cucumber, tomatoes, etc.)
3. Eat plenty of high calcium, alkaline-forming fruits, (figs, olives, oranges, payaya, panini, rambutan).
4. Breathe in pure air.
5. Swim in pure water.
6. Avoid stress-inducing and acid-forming environments (cities).
7. Eat plenty of silicon based foods (peppers, chilis, okra, etc).
8. Avoid nuts. (Nuts will throw you off center if there are no greens in the diet. Nuts must be balanced with greens.)
9. Eat Olives. (Naturally high in sodium, even when unsalted.)
Keys to high-fruit diet:
Be active, mentally positive, emotionally stable, have the right metabolism.
End of paraphrasing Wolfe.
Other consequences of a long-term fruitarian diet should be noted, too. Women eating the majority of their calories in fruits may stop having periods due to changes in hormone levels. Demineralization and lack off calcium is especially bad for bones and will cause loss of teeth.
Feeling good in the short term has very little to do with long term health.
RawKnitster
06-16-2009, 02:52 AM
I'm about 75% fruitarian at the moment. 85% if you count nuts as fruit, which they technically are.
Technically, nuts are seeds.
raw_danceruk
06-16-2009, 03:11 AM
I pretty much just eat a fruit diet however I 100% support alissa's approach :) I eat what I want and am drawn to..fresh lovely fruit.. its not for everyone!
Raw Angel Mom
06-16-2009, 04:47 AM
Usually I avoid this topic, but since you asked I will tell you what I think. :)
In my opinion....No. I base this opinion on personal experience and research. To sum it up I paraphrase the following from David Wolfe's "Sunfood Diet Success System":
While there are many wonderful things about a fruitarian diet, it has to be done correctly, and only for a period of time, not indefinitely. Greens must be eaten with it. Too much hybridized sweet fruit will throw the body off balance. All frugivorous primates include green leaves in their diets, also, fats must be derived from avocados, durians, or olives.
A long term fruitarian diet brings up the possibility of multiple types of nutritional deficiencies (demineralization and a lack of B vitamins) and potential neurological problems (especially those involving a lack of long-chain omega 3 fatty acids such as DHA and EPA).
It one goes too long on a high-fruit diet, the first thing that will happen is a sodium deficient, the next thing that will occur is a deficiency in calcium.
However, experimenting with the fruitarian diet is fun in the short term (days/weeks).
1. Eat no more than 33% high sugar fruits
2. Eat plenty of non-sweet fruits (cucumber, tomatoes, etc.)
3. Eat plenty of high calcium, alkaline-forming fruits, (figs, olives, oranges, payaya, panini, rambutan).
4. Breathe in pure air.
5. Swim in pure water.
6. Avoid stress-inducing and acid-forming environments (cities).
7. Eat plenty of silicon based foods (peppers, chilis, okra, etc).
8. Avoid nuts. (Nuts will throw you off center if there are no greens in the diet. Nuts must be balanced with greens.)
9. Eat Olives. (Naturally high in sodium, even when unsalted.)
Keys to high-fruit diet:
Be active, mentally positive, emotionally stable, have the right metabolism.
End of paraphrasing Wolfe.
Other consequences of a long-term fruitarian diet should be noted, too. Women eating the majority of their calories in fruits may stop having periods due to changes in hormone levels. Demineralization and lack off calcium is especially bad for bones and will cause loss of teeth.
Feeling good in the short term has very little to do with long term health.
This is very informative, thank you for sharing
Rufassa
06-16-2009, 09:52 AM
Maybe I'm weird, it's been suggested before.:p
I love cukes and celery - the smell of parsley drives me wild, I have to pop some in my mouth while cutting it up for a recipe. Dill - oh the aroma, the flavor! Lettuce is awesome, crunchy, sweet, succulent....and it's a "gateway" green, leading you further and further into the "hard core" greens, like kale and arugula.
What's use would tomato, avocado, and lime be without Cilantro?!?!?
eh - Fruits are for kids!
This brings me to another question. What are we considering fruit? I would think a cuke is a fruit, so are we only referring to sweet fruit of which an avocado would not be considered.
Rufassa
06-16-2009, 10:12 AM
I want to try Dr. Gabriel Cousens diet to shut down the compost in us, for that we need to stay away from any sugar. If i do that, i probably will do a vegetable juice fast or something.
OK, I understand if we were talking about processed sugars or starches, but since when were natural sugars found in fruit bad for you? Where did that come from?
A high fruit diet has me filled with energy without the sugar lows you get from, say, a cake. Is white sugar deadly poisonous, YES. But fruit? Plus we must realize that when you eat a whole food it not only gives you the sugar but everything else your body needs to assimilate it where as white sugar is nothing but sugar.
Jenifae
06-16-2009, 11:44 AM
I'm experiencing a better and happier body on a higher fruit and low fat diet. My energy goes up, my eyes get clear, my stomach get flat, and all in all I just feel great! :D
Of course adding dark green leafy foods I feel is essential and I do take Chlorella and Spirulina daily.
Best way to find out is experiment with your own body. I have found if I do eat too much sweet fruit I can get shakey and as soon as I eat dark greens I get grounded.
T-Bird
06-16-2009, 11:57 AM
Anyone else have a problem with the:
I-prefer-fruits-so-humans-must-be-fruititarians logic here????
In my younger days - I could have proven conclusively that human were twizzlerovars.
Gaius
06-16-2009, 12:04 PM
Anyone else have a problem with the:
I-prefer-fruits-so-humans-must-be-fruititarians logic here????
In my younger days - I could have proven conclusively that human were twizzlerovars.
Only because society pointed you in that direction, helped along by a fruity taste, of course.
Veronica01
06-16-2009, 12:25 PM
Usually I avoid this topic, but since you asked I will tell you what I think. :)
In my opinion....No. I base this opinion on personal experience and research. To sum it up I paraphrase the following from David Wolfe's "Sunfood Diet Success System":
While there are many wonderful things about a fruitarian diet, it has to be done correctly, and only for a period of time, not indefinitely. Greens must be eaten with it. Too much hybridized sweet fruit will throw the body off balance. All frugivorous primates include green leaves in their diets, also, fats must be derived from avocados, durians, or olives.
A long term fruitarian diet brings up the possibility of multiple types of nutritional deficiencies (demineralization and a lack of B vitamins) and potential neurological problems (especially those involving a lack of long-chain omega 3 fatty acids such as DHA and EPA).
It one goes too long on a high-fruit diet, the first thing that will happen is a sodium deficient, the next thing that will occur is a deficiency in calcium.
However, experimenting with the fruitarian diet is fun in the short term (days/weeks).
1. Eat no more than 33% high sugar fruits
2. Eat plenty of non-sweet fruits (cucumber, tomatoes, etc.)
3. Eat plenty of high calcium, alkaline-forming fruits, (figs, olives, oranges, payaya, panini, rambutan).
4. Breathe in pure air.
5. Swim in pure water.
6. Avoid stress-inducing and acid-forming environments (cities).
7. Eat plenty of silicon based foods (peppers, chilis, okra, etc).
8. Avoid nuts. (Nuts will throw you off center if there are no greens in the diet. Nuts must be balanced with greens.)
9. Eat Olives. (Naturally high in sodium, even when unsalted.)
Keys to high-fruit diet:
Be active, mentally positive, emotionally stable, have the right metabolism.
End of paraphrasing Wolfe.
Other consequences of a long-term fruitarian diet should be noted, too. Women eating the majority of their calories in fruits may stop having periods due to changes in hormone levels. Demineralization and lack off calcium is especially bad for bones and will cause loss of teeth.
Feeling good in the short term has very little to do with long term health.
David Wolfe has since recanted much of his sunfood diet system.... I am not an avid David Wolfe follower but I do know that. He also did not invent the sunfood diet system, he basically rewrote a lot of information he found in older books. I think it wise to not take this book completely to heart and get all the information first as to what he says about it now and what he changed about his diet. He is also not a doctor or scientist so you may question how he comes to conclusions without any trial and error or group studies.
Also if anyone is interested check out 30bananasaday.com a raw vegan community who is mostly fruitarian and most are athletes, nutrition students, and very healthy active people. I know some people like savory more than sweet but the majority of people do prefer sweet so I still think it's valid that we were meant to eat a lot of our calories from fruit.
Veronica01
06-16-2009, 12:29 PM
Anyone else have a problem with the:
I-prefer-fruits-so-humans-must-be-fruititarians logic here????
In my younger days - I could have proven conclusively that human were twizzlerovars.
Also haven't you ever noticed that if you're never fully satisfied you crave, bread, rice, candy, desserts, pastries? All of those are carbohydrates so when you're not eating enough fruit your body is triggering you to eat DENSE carbohydrates because it still thinks its starving and doesn't think a little fruit will be enough to satiate itself.
As a kid i ate a ton of fruit, but i still ate candy, desserts and sugar all the time as well, it's very addictive if you're not getting enough carbs from fruit.
Humanist
06-16-2009, 02:19 PM
Usually I avoid this topic, but since you asked I will tell you what I think. :)
In my opinion....No. I base this opinion on personal experience and research. To sum it up I paraphrase the following from David Wolfe's "Sunfood Diet Success System":
While there are many wonderful things about a fruitarian diet, it has to be done correctly, and only for a period of time, not indefinitely. Greens must be eaten with it. Too much hybridized sweet fruit will throw the body off balance. All frugivorous primates include green leaves in their diets, also, fats must be derived from avocados, durians, or olives.
A long term fruitarian diet brings up the possibility of multiple types of nutritional deficiencies (demineralization and a lack of B vitamins) and potential neurological problems (especially those involving a lack of long-chain omega 3 fatty acids such as DHA and EPA).
It one goes too long on a high-fruit diet, the first thing that will happen is a sodium deficient, the next thing that will occur is a deficiency in calcium.
However, experimenting with the fruitarian diet is fun in the short term (days/weeks).
1. Eat no more than 33% high sugar fruits
2. Eat plenty of non-sweet fruits (cucumber, tomatoes, etc.)
3. Eat plenty of high calcium, alkaline-forming fruits, (figs, olives, oranges, payaya, panini, rambutan).
4. Breathe in pure air.
5. Swim in pure water.
6. Avoid stress-inducing and acid-forming environments (cities).
7. Eat plenty of silicon based foods (peppers, chilis, okra, etc).
8. Avoid nuts. (Nuts will throw you off center if there are no greens in the diet. Nuts must be balanced with greens.)
9. Eat Olives. (Naturally high in sodium, even when unsalted.)
Keys to high-fruit diet:
Be active, mentally positive, emotionally stable, have the right metabolism.
End of paraphrasing Wolfe.
Other consequences of a long-term fruitarian diet should be noted, too. Women eating the majority of their calories in fruits may stop having periods due to changes in hormone levels. Demineralization and lack off calcium is especially bad for bones and will cause loss of teeth.
Feeling good in the short term has very little to do with long term health.
This may be true for a fruit only diet, but it is not true for a fruit-nut diet. Nuts, seeds, and sprouts are rich in everything that is missing in fruits. Possibly excepting Vitamin B12.
T-Bird
06-16-2009, 02:30 PM
Only because society pointed you in that direction, helped along by a fruity taste, of course.
Point is flawed logic leads to flawed conclusion.
RawKnitster
06-16-2009, 04:41 PM
David Wolfe has since recanted much of his sunfood diet system.... I am not an avid David Wolfe follower but I do know that. He also did not invent the sunfood diet system, he basically rewrote a lot of information he found in older books. I think it wise to not take this book completely to heart and get all the information first as to what he says about it now and what he changed about his diet. He is also not a doctor or scientist so you may question how he comes to conclusions without any trial and error or group studies.
Also if anyone is interested check out 30bananasaday.com a raw vegan community who is mostly fruitarian and most are athletes, nutrition students, and very healthy active people. I know some people like savory more than sweet but the majority of people do prefer sweet so I still think it's valid that we were meant to eat a lot of our calories from fruit.
Thanks for the info. David Wolfe, along with every other raw food author is a pioneer and a work in progress. They are blazing the trail, experimenting and learning along the way. I was quoting from the sixth edition of Sunfood, published in 2006.
While we all advocate our favorite way of eating, who is truly to know which is better. It will be years, maybe decades before we know, and I'm not sure I want to.
Raw is about freedom to eat as we please.
T-Bird
06-16-2009, 04:43 PM
Straight up RawKnitster!
Represent!
Gaius
06-17-2009, 12:04 PM
David Wolfe can't be completely trusted because he has a vested interest in selling his products. Just because something is raw and organic doesn't mean it's always good for people to eat. He will always sing the praises of something he is actively selling even if there is evidence to the contrary.
Veronica01
06-17-2009, 12:16 PM
I do agree with that. First i try to eat what is natural that i like and then if i am still missing something i may try other things. But most of my diet is raw fresh fruits, greens, and a little vegetables, and seeds, and occaissionally avocado and nuts. Very little superfoods... i am sure i will know what works best as time goes on. But i can tell you i do not feel great after having a superfood loaded smoothie nor does it taste as amazing as a light fruit green smoothie.
Celeryhead
06-17-2009, 01:24 PM
Not a big fan of Wolfe either. I read The Sunfood Diet Success System a few years ago and it just didn’t stick with me. Seemed like a hodgepodge of food information, new age concepts, and bad poetry - just my impression as I try to recall it, and to each his own.
I won’t condemn anyone from making money off of promoting raw foods or a particular raw food diet, but if someone makes claims about a product and is selling that product at the same time, I will be skeptical and look to other sources to validate the claims.
As for how much fat in a raw food diet is optimal, I just don’t know what is best yet for me. Still working on this one.
For those who maintain a low-fat (high fruit) diet, do you make sure that your fat source is EFA (especially Omega 3) rich?
LilacLavender
06-17-2009, 02:17 PM
Walnuts, flax seeds, that sort of thing.
Veronica01
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
yeah i eat flax and walnuts once in a while, sometimes sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds. I don't like overt oils and most of them are not really raw and oxidize or go rancid when light touches it. So i feel better not trying to use questionable items in recipes.
Gaius
06-17-2009, 11:56 PM
I love walnuts. I can't have enough of them on hand.
LilacLavender
06-18-2009, 09:18 AM
Almost forgot...hemp and chia seed. Both are excellent sources and have the perfect natural balance of omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids.
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