Do we as raw eaters judge non-raw eaters too harshly? Are we too judgmental?

[Gaius]

I just saw the thread about the guy who asked if his aunt was too lazy.

Do we push our lifestyle onto others too harshly?

I realize my thread about raw recipes is an example of my own judgmental stance there, so I will cop to it, but is being judgmental our greatest flaw?

[iluvmangos]

I'm not judgmental about what other people eat. I do feel bad for people who have health problems and continue to eat SAD food when I know raw food could help them, BUT it's their choice and their life. There are some people in my family who I wish would go raw, but I know they probably never will and I accept that. It used to really bug me at first because I just KNEW raw food would help them if they'd just try it, but they didn't want to so... Not much I can do about that.

[snoops]

I hope I will never be judgemental about others choices. Not given the way I used to eat myself.

[RawHeaven]

In a word. Yes. But I'm not speaking about everyone, it's more an energy. In my personal experience when I first embarked on this journey, I was so full of enthuasiasm I didn't realize I was turning people off. I think it's normal and simply a stage you go through...and perhaps it's even necessary. For me I looked at cooked food as something really terrible...lol...and even felt something akin to pity for the folks who were eating it. I'm not like that anymore...I've grown. It's funny because it is not my nature to judge, but again I think it simply comes up. To deny it, is to sit in it, unrecognized and you risk it growing out of control. If it comes up, embrace it and ironically don't judge yourself if you find yourself judging others. Just forgive, release and let go. Peace.

[RawSar]

I use to be.. Now I just don't care. :cool:

[freshlight]

It would be waste of time, so why should we?

[PeachyLove]

To be direct I do not care and/or I do not have an emotional attachment, to how or what other people eat.

I believe for myself, judgment creates barriers and limitations.

So, I focus my energy on eating beautifully and being an loving person to myself. When someone need my help, I welcome them with open arms and share my knowledge and experience gently and loving.

If someone has a judgment about how I eat, I always say "I love how God's food taste and the way it make me feel".

[LiveLife]

I think that it is easy to pressure someone about something you are passionate about. I have been judged in my family my whole life because I was always the abnormal one. So, when I found eating raw I was careful not to judge what others ate. I will mention it in passing and answer questions, or provide solutions and ideas that I don't always necessarily label as "raw". I found one of the biggest things is labelling something because sets people off, even if they interested in the concepts.

[DebB]

I did in the beginning with my friends that had health problems and I felt eating better would help them.

Lesson learned - now I stay out of it unless asked. *Ü*

[Jehote]

Lesson learned - now I stay out of it unless asked. *Ü*

+1
and you will be asked!!

[T-Bird]

I certainly don't - rather I feel quite blessed to be gifted with the intuition to find this path.

Think of all the devotees of all the "healthy eating" plans out there - Atkins, Eat for your blood type, natural hygiene, etc etc.

Lots of choices. Why are people drawn to certain ones and not others?

I'm old enough to know that being given information seldom changes anyone's mind - let alone their behavior!

I hope that as I become healthier and more glowy - I can serve as a beckon to those I love and that they will be drawn in out of their own curiosity and their own life goals.

I will sit shining and wait for them.....

[The French One]

Sure, we judge, I think, almost always at the beginning of our raw food journey. Because we are judged too: abnormal, unhealthy, and we think the same of the SAD diet. I'd say it a sort of defence. And after some time, I simply understood that I cannot make people change or believe. I just keep on rawking, and hope my health will inspire others. But I don't try to convert my family... stressful and useless.

[freelive]

I don't judge anymore. I am trying not to judge anyone(including myself) for anything anymore - sometimes still get automatic habitual judging thoughts, but I know very well- when I judge, I am not loving not just them, but also not loving myself. And it hurts mostly me, when I do it. It hurts others just if they start having resistant thoughts about it too.
Love and judgment are completely different vibrations. Just like worry and love also. Don't you see, that I am all into Law of Attraction stuff?

[freelive]

Oh, yes. I also do not judge myself or others for judging.:D

[cibra]

I don't judge people because I don't want to be judged.
My friends often come to me about their health issues or diet concerns.

[Revvell]

Do we as raw eaters judge non-raw eaters too harshly? Are we too judgmental?

What's the definition of "too" harshly? What is "too" judgmental?


To judge ~ to form an opinion or determination.

We all do it. My answers to your questions ~ no and no.

Whether we want to be judged or not, we are and whether we are judgmental or not has nothing to do with it. Ummm, we ARE judgemental ~ we ALL form opinions and determinations.

Life goes on!

[PeachyLove]

when I judge, I am not loving not just them, but also not loving myself. And it hurts mostly me, when I do it.

OMG yes, yes.

I discovered this powerful lesson, while doing some self reflection.

In the past I would hold on to anger, dislike, worry ect... I thought I was being strong (that your not going to break me, mentality ). Oh I was loyal to the anger, I could hold a grudge with the best of them. lol

My ego had me fooled.

The truth is I was only deeply hurting myself.

I have yet to witness anyone Big enough to control it, it always seem to overtake the mind, emotions and the body.

I now choose Love and it's spectacular!

[juliebove]

Who is this "we" you are talking about? I am one person. I didn't join any group or anyting and agree to do everything like they do. I don't judge anyone. Why would I? I also don't think there is one diet that works for everyone.

[Gaius]

Who is this "we" you are talking about? I am one person. I didn't join any group or anyting and agree to do everything like they do. I don't judge anyone. Why would I? I also don't think there is one diet that works for everyone.
I have nothing but respect for the individual and despise collectivism in excess, and I do agree that "we" don't exist and I only spoke as such to speak to the community as a whole, but we each assume a sort of identity when we take upon this lifestyle.

[iwuvmydoggy]

i know that i judge people's diets.. i mean.. i don't know why... i just have a really intense personality. lol i get mad when people are 1.) too selfish and self centered to stop eating unhealthy (selfish because of the legacy they're shoving down their kid's throats, onto the environment and onto innocent lives)... and 2.) willingly ignorant (they know whatever they're doing is wrong, but they don't care to know more or to fix it.. some people would call this being lazy, but i call it willing ignorance, and it annoys the crap out of me)

so yeah.. i guess i can be judgmental, but it doesn't mean that i can't be civil. if i believe i am right, you need to show me where i am wrong, because i put a lot of effort into things i say, do or get involved with. i try to look at it from various angles and am a fact-oriented person.. so if you just come up and tell me i'm wrong.. be willing to prove it or keep your trap shut. lol

i am not as mean as i am sounding... but i don't see any reason why i have to be the one that lays down & takes a thrashing for whatever i am doing or believe in... do i look like jesus to you? (that was a rhetorical pseudo-question, not to be taken literally, and no offense was intended) obviously that position was filled, so that's not my job!.. i am not going to just sit there & take people belittling me or something i do (vegetarianism/rawfood/etc).. i don't see why i have to. just because i eat vegetables doesn't make me a wimpy little person who can't defend themselves.

i also don't see why i have to just go along with everyone else & not voice my opinion or objection to something (ie: someone's dietary habits)... if i love or care about someone, i will of course want them to be healthy and want the best for them.. so yes, i will share my opinion, facts i have learned and other information with them, because i care about them and only want the best for them. if they reject it, in my head, they fall in the selfish or willingly ignorant category.. that doesn't mean i have to be hateful or whatever to them.. we can still get along, and be civil and adults.. just don't get into talking about food (or whatever)... because it will just upset me that they are so caught up in themselves or in their habits to do what would be most beneficial for them..

maybe i'm a little aggressive?.... but that's me! i'm an all in or all out kinda person... and those kinda people tend to be very intense!

[Redrocket]

It's an energy, it's a lifestyle and a way of life. Everything around us has to do with a SAD: TV, billboards, mags and in the minds of everyone around us. Our environment is stronger than our own will. That's why it's hard sometimes. Not to toot our own horns or be filed with self-pride but we are some strong-minded people to do this diet. Most people are going with the flow of collective conscienceness and just dealing with their issues in that way, putting band aids on everything. I think health starts with a proper diet and everything will most likely pan out from there. It's a good start at the very least. "well begun is half done" I always say. What's there to judge, to each his own. ;)

[Green_Woman]

I make a conscious effort not to compare my lifestyle to my friends OR my diet to theirs.

As a result, many of those friends have begun drinking GS and eating RAW, and several are "pending" right now - I've suggested they read Alissa's book, since it's so full of life and fun, and those who can are reading it and getting great inspiration from that book, and from witnessing my health blossom.

:)

Condemning SAD eaters will result in the OPPOSITE effect that I desire, so I avoid it.

[iwuvmydoggy]

i don't condemn people, i just get frustrated that they don't want to help themselves or that they don't love themselves as much as i love them. i don't get angry at them and start throwing stuff or something like that. lol it's just frustrating, but i don't always let them know that i am frustrated. i just end the conversation. (like i said, my post made me sound mean, because that's how my thought process works.. but it's not evident in how i behave in person- you wouldn't know what i was thinking if you looked at me, because i am good at playing civil & being a peacemaker, even though i may be dreaming of beating your face in for being a butthead) - sorta like what politicians do with politics in the public. lol

if, however, someone starts making fun of my decisions or my lifestyle, i do not hesitate in ripping them a new one, because i don't have to put up with that kind of stuff. --- i don't always do that, either, it depends on the situation. ie: if i am at work & someone starts something, i just laugh with them... but if that person said something to me 1 on 1, i would tear 'em a new one, in a "nice" way & that usually ends whatever fun they're having at my expense.

[Mary Kay]

I have to say I am somewhat guilty of judging others. Not necessarily thinking everyone has to be 100% raw, I just want others to at least eat REAL food. My kids had a graduation from Safety Town last year. I brought raw blueberry pie. It was the only REAL food there. There were suckers, pop, pizza, store-bought cookies filled with crap etc.

I just can't help but think that the majority of mainstream America is stupid! Stupid is when you should know better. Ignorant is when you don't know any better.

A kid eating a donut is ignorant. A grown-up eating a donut and smoking a cigarette is stupid. A grown up allowing a kid to eat a donut is stupid.

I think I am prejudiced and I am a little sad about it. I am so prejudiced, I'm having trouble being friends with some other homeschooling moms who eat mainstream junk. I don't hate them or anything. I just think they're stupid. Sigh.....

Mary Kay

[theresaann]

I do judge, but when I realize that I am, I immediately remember that if people had the consciousness to actually be ABLE to make a different choice, they would. So what is the point of judging?

I think, thankfully, that the only person I'm ultimately responsible for is myself, and as I live in alignment with my OWN inner truth to the best of my ability, I am a far greater influence to help uplift the collective consciousness than if I was lecturing and judging. Its all in divine order!!

[iluvmangos]

I think I am prejudiced and I am a little sad about it. I am so prejudiced, I'm having trouble being friends with some other homeschooling moms who eat mainstream junk. I don't hate them or anything. I just think they're stupid. Sigh.....

Just try to be a positive example to them. If they see you being healthy and enjoying your raw food maybe they'll be willing to at least incorporate more raw foods into their diets.

[commoncents]

I am judgmental about this and other matters as well, but I'm working on it. Judgment does not feel good to me any longer. I receive the effects of my judgments towards others so profoundly now that I am growing spirtually, and I just don't like the way it feels any longer.

Feels better to bless everyone at the particular stage they are at.

[Colorawdo girl]

Judge not lest ye may be judged. Always try to measure out what you would like measured out to you. Also treat others as you want to be treated.
Choosing and deciding for oneself is far different than telling others what to do or questioning what they do.

I recently had a good test in judging. I might have had a golden opp to be judgemental. I opted out. Only got me clear on what I wanted for my life.

I met with a raw foodist for an afternoon to bounce ideas on her life stuff as well as raw coaching a bit. When I showed up, she was smoking. Temp blew me away. I had just talked with her mom a few days before that and she was super helpful with all the ways to get toxins out. Daughter said mom(who has been raw for five years) also smokes!!!

So I see where, for me, if I am coaching others on raw food, then I must be in integrity for my word. Walk the walk and talkt he talk. I only got clear for me. Not judging them. I let it all go.

Judging is not between me and that person, it is my responsibility before our God not to judge.

[commoncents]

Judge not lest ye may be judged.

Judging is not between me and that person, it is my responsibility before our God not to judge.

So, So true. You are a wise young lady.

[Redrocket]

wow, a raw foodist smoking. I guess some people are just hell bent on killing themselves. :eek:

[iluvmangos]

wow, a raw foodist smoking. I guess some people are just hell bent on killing themselves. :eek:


Maybe they're trying to quit. Quitting smoking can be hard to do.

[Jehote]

Maybe they're trying to quit. Quitting smoking can be hard to do.

Qft!! I fight a cigar addiction and it's so bad on the weekends.

[snoops]

So here's me judging my family. I am so pissed off at them right now because they just ate absolutely nothing good for them even though I had it all there. They had hamburgers on white buns with cheese. And a baked potato with cheese and bacon bits. At that point son said he was full and didn't even have asparagus (lightly steamed) or corn on the cob (also lightly steamed). Husband actually had the asparagus and corn but was too full for the kale avocado salad and the broccoli salad. I had a huge plateful of kale salad - cause it won't keep, broccoli salad and yes some corn and asparagus. Yes not raw.

But my plate was heaped full of green. Theirs was starch and meat for the most part. I am so mad. I knew my son wouldn't eat the kale or broccoli salad but my husband claims to like them but was just too full. Well hell, if I ate all that crap first I would be too.

I know its not right of me to judge them but my husband claims to be so worried about cancer now that his sister (50) has been diagnosed with gall bladder cancer and has less than a year to live. Well...hello. That is how ingrained into our minds the dairy and meat and grain producers have their products. He will not listen to me. It has to come from someone else. Well there is no one else I know that is trying to live raw.

So I just have to watch it.

Thanks for letting me rant.

[Revvell]

He will not listen to me. It has to come from someone else.

Hire me!!! I'll chat with 'em. :D

Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. Himself eats pizza and anything else with bread and cheese most days. He hears everything that's said during my interviews; He knows first hand how great raw can be because He was raw with me before we got married. What to do? Save myself the angst from "trying" to change someone who doesn't want to change.

Repeat after me: Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. Again ~ Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. :)

[commoncents]

Hire me!!! I'll chat with 'em. :D

Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. Himself eats pizza and anything else with bread and cheese most days. He hears everything that's said during my interviews; He knows first hand how great raw can be because He was raw with me before we got married. What to do? Save myself the angst from "trying" to change someone who doesn't want to change.

Repeat after me: Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. Again ~ Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. :)

Leave others to their otherness and take care of me
Leave others to their otherness and take care of me
Leave others to their otherness and take care of me
Leave others to their otherness and take care of me
Leave others to their otherness and take care of me.

[Redrocket]

Maybe they're trying to quit. Quitting smoking can be hard to do.
Trying is doomed to fail, just do it already:confused:

[snoops]

Repeat after me: Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. Again ~ Leave others to their otherness and take care of yourself. :)

Gotcha:D And I usually do.

[iwuvmydoggy]

I have to say I am somewhat guilty of judging others. Not necessarily thinking everyone has to be 100% raw, I just want others to at least eat REAL food. My kids had a graduation from Safety Town last year. I brought raw blueberry pie. It was the only REAL food there. There were suckers, pop, pizza, store-bought cookies filled with crap etc.

I just can't help but think that the majority of mainstream America is stupid! Stupid is when you should know better. Ignorant is when you don't know any better.

A kid eating a donut is ignorant. A grown-up eating a donut and smoking a cigarette is stupid. A grown up allowing a kid to eat a donut is stupid.

I think I am prejudiced and I am a little sad about it. I am so prejudiced, I'm having trouble being friends with some other homeschooling moms who eat mainstream junk. I don't hate them or anything. I just think they're stupid. Sigh.....

Mary Kay


lol yay! i am not alone! :D i tell my parents that if i ever have children, i don't ever want them eating garbage... cause you know how grandparents are.. they think they're "treating" grandchildren, but they're just pushing bad habits on them.. i won't allow my children to have candy or develop bad eating habits.. because i am going through that!

i used to work as a demo lady or a fancier term "merchandiser"... where i had to cook/microwave/bake/etc different products for different companies & then give samples away... most of the time i worked in various walmarts around town.. well.. people are really disgusting... i've seen huge women with fat rolls flopped over the sides of those electric carts, with their fat kids hanging off of the baskets and stuff stopping for samples... i vowed to never be that way... and even though i am fat, i WALK in the grocery store. i don't care how tired i am, i WILL NEVER be caught dead in one of those electric carts. i don't care if i just had both of my feet amputated... i'll hop in a basket and push myself with crutches down the isle before i'd get in one of those carts.. anyway... it wouldn't matter if i was giving way x-lax or antacids, tylenol PM or even razors, those fat, lazy women always wanted their fat, spoiled kids to get samples... then they'd get mad if the sample wasn't big enough or if it was health food, they'd complain about how awful it tasted.... one time i was giving samples of fruitaboo away.. this lady and her husband stopped & asked me what it was, so i was going over the product with them & they actually told me that they refuse to eat anything that's "organic" (they made the bunny ears).. i just laughed, because i didn't know what else to do. i wanted to just punch them in the face.. so needless to say, i quit that job about a year later... couldn't deal with the idiots anymore. walmart shoppers SUCK... i feel really bad for the workers. they get treated so horribly by such trashy or stuck up people, it's so disgusting to watch.

oh.. another story... one time i was giving away samples of that yogurt that makes you poop.. i forgot what it was.. i think it was the one that jamie lee curtis does commercials for... activa or something... well anyway, one grouchy old lady bugged me for so many samples of it that she got diarrhea.. she didn't listen to anything i said. lol everything i was giving away had that special bacteria in it or whatever.. she almost pooped her pants.. i felt bad for giving it to her, but those old people are not afraid to manhandle you for samples... they even run over your displays and stuff on purpose!!! (old people can be SO rude!!!! --- i used to love old people & really respect them, but after my experiences working at all those walmart stores, i just don't like anybody anymore!) i was looking for some eggo stuff one time & this old man just grabbed my arm really hard & screamed at me "YOU'RE OUT OF ICECREAM!!!!!!!!" i looked at him & was like "sir, i don't work here..." and he let me go & was like "oh, i'm sorry.." lol i was like "i'm here shopping, just like you! hope you find your icecream!!".... meanwhile, i was thinking in my head "omfg... so if i work at walmart, apparently it's okay to manhandle me & leave bruises on my arm because the store is out of a certain product?.... are you serious?..".... so thanks to working in various walmarts.. i have learned to really dislike most people & loathe public places. lol




So here's me judging my family. I am so pissed off at them right now because they just ate absolutely nothing good for them even though I had it all there. They had hamburgers on white buns with cheese. And a baked potato with cheese and bacon bits. At that point son said he was full and didn't even have asparagus (lightly steamed) or corn on the cob (also lightly steamed). Husband actually had the asparagus and corn but was too full for the kale avocado salad and the broccoli salad. I had a huge plateful of kale salad - cause it won't keep, broccoli salad and yes some corn and asparagus. Yes not raw.

But my plate was heaped full of green. Theirs was starch and meat for the most part. I am so mad. I knew my son wouldn't eat the kale or broccoli salad but my husband claims to like them but was just too full. Well hell, if I ate all that crap first I would be too.

I know its not right of me to judge them but my husband claims to be so worried about cancer now that his sister (50) has been diagnosed with gall bladder cancer and has less than a year to live. Well...hello. That is how ingrained into our minds the dairy and meat and grain producers have their products. He will not listen to me. It has to come from someone else. Well there is no one else I know that is trying to live raw.

So I just have to watch it.

Thanks for letting me rant.

could you talk to his sister & try to convince her to go raw?...

[iluvmangos]

Trying is doomed to fail, just do it already:confused:


I take it you've never had a nicotine addiction.

[Jehote]

I take it you've never had a nicotine addiction.

again i QFT! "Just Do It" is great for a shoe commercial...but when dealing with addiction there is a LOT more to it than a catchy slogan....
fighting my cigar addiction is a daily battle. some days its not as bad, some days its worse. i get my super blender thursday UPS and im making a big push to detox and go 100% starting next sunday. cigars and *gasp* coffee at the same time. im thinking on doing a twitter so i can follow my moods and swings as they happen and go back and see what i felt a few hours ago etc.
i have a plan. scary! LOL
Matthew

[Redrocket]

I take it you've never had a nicotine addiction.

I smoked for 15 years:p And as you know there is nothing worse than a reformed ex-smoker

[snoops]

could you talk to his sister & try to convince her to go raw?...

We visited her in April and I tried to inject some sanity, bought a book about healing, tried to make her some smoothies, but like everyone has noticed you can lead a horse to water...

It was very hard for me to keep my mouth shut as they were shoving Gatorade and frozen "fruit" ades at her when she was dehydrated. Sugar, sugar sugar - cancer cells love sugar. I tried to read from the book I got and everyone thought it was very interesting and then shoved sugar and steak at her. You need to get protein to be strong you know:rolleyes:

The thing is, her family were not even really bad SAD eaters. They never had a lot of junk food. Just your basic meat and potatoes and veggies and fruit - all home made stuff family. I ate much worse before I found raw.

[iluvmangos]

I smoked for 15 years:p And as you know there is nothing worse than a reformed ex-smoker

I'm glad you kicked the habit. Good for you.

[Redrocket]

I'm glad you kicked the habit. Good for you.
Thanks, that was 20 years ago. Don't get addicted to too much anymore except for some motorcycling and a little truck building. This raw food is kinda getting to me, this will be a good addiction for a change.:p

[katchmoleen]

For the most part I don't judge because I know where I have been and also realize I still have a long ways to go.

I do feel frustrated with people's lack of willingness to even try anything new. A few years ago my uncle was diagnosed with prostate cancer. I sent him tons of links to sites of stories with healing from this cancer. I gave him supplies to do a master cleanse. Even as a nurse, I know if you have to have cancer, prostate is a great one because you can medically monitor it very closely with the PSA test and know right where you are as far as tumor growth, so why not just TRY the master cleanse and see if your PSA goes down. To me it was a no-brainer. One one hand.....drinking lemonade for awhile, on the other hand.....impotence. What to choose, what to choose. He chose impotence. I cannot fathom that. Now he has been diagnosed with ALS. I bought him the book, "Eric is Winning." I am curious to see if he goes the all raw route like Eric has, or if he just gives up, thereby signing his own death certificate. I will be so sad not to have him on this earth with me if he chooses that.

I also get frustrated and YES judgemental when I see a cart overflowing with junk and being paid for with a food stamps card. I believe I have a right to be judgemental in that case because I AM PAYING FOR ALL THAT JUNK. Like many other areas (I am politically very conservative) I know people have a right to do all sorts of what I consider harmful and wrong things, and I defend their right to do those things. Just don't want my tax dollars paying for it.