Raw food and gallstones

[swiddweas]

Does anyone have any experiance or knowledege about having an upset Gallbladder even on raw foods? Can't very well stay on all raw and eliminate nuts, seeds and avacados and coconut, but that's what the Dr. tells me to do. What suggestions do you have, please?

thank you,
Swidweas

[PixieGreen]

I found the raw foods diet because I was looking for a "cure" and prevention for my gallstones in January. The day I did a gallbladder cleanse is the day I quit eating cooked.

After the cleanse the pain went away with many stones but I could still feel the pressure in my side constantly. I know this will bother the purists here but I didn't find relief through nutrition, although there is no doubt in my mind raw foods are excellent for maintaining good health now that I've got it. After 4 months the pressure in my side still hadn't gone away despite eating very well so I decided to "take it to the next level" and I got a portable far infrared sauna. After the third session I couldn't feel any pressure AT ALL.

I'm using my sauna nearly every day now for about 45 minutes [during my downtime, when watching a movie or I take the opportunity to meditate]. It is honestly one of the best purchases I've ever made.

I was 100% raw for the first 90 days, I've been 90-95% raw since. Eating a lot of fruit is great for my gallbladder but bad for the rest of me so I eat a lot of greens and veggies, use moderate amounts of coconut oil internally and externally[which has been healthful in so many ways] and eat plenty of nuts.

I'm planning another cleanse this month, it's about seven months since the first. Since I'm not in pain I'm going to take the time to do a parasite cleanse, followed by an oxygen colon cleanse and finally liver/ galbladder cleanse. I'll let you know the results if you're interested.

Christa

[Revvell]

I might suggest easing up on the nuts/seeds (especially if not sprouted) yet not the avos and coconut. Take one at a time ~ maybe half an avo a day for about 3 days. See if that bothers you. If it does, then stop for a day, one-half every other day. Same w/ coconuts.

Also, you might find a good qigong instructor in your area. Qigong is quite benefitial for balancing the organs and meridiens.

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[UltrasonicRaw]

i am an ultrasonographer, sorry to bum out anyone who feels differently, but from my experience i have never ever seen anyone cure themselves from gallstones. gallstones are trapped in the gallbladder and unless they are small enough (like sand) to pass through the neck of the gallbladder, they will never ever pass and you will never ever be rid of them unless you have them surgically removed. i have heard sooooo much stuff about gallstones on this forum and i have just never heard of any cure other than surgery. gallstones are like rocks and if you do research on the shape of the gallbladder you will see it has a tiny tiny neck which cannot pass a large stone. if you are passing stones, there are always the possiblity the stones can get stuck and then your pain will go through the roof! stuck gallstones, in the common bile duct will equal surgery for sure because bile will back up into the liver. if your doctor has told you to stop eating fatty foods, it is likely to try and lessen the pain of the gallbladder contrations on the stones (fatty food makes it contract)....this is still not a cure. i just dont want you to be misinformed or waste money on concoctions that may not work. i cannot believe there are products out there that claim to 'flush" the gallbladder, it contracts every time you eat usually regardless of its fatty content. there is nothing you can ingest that will specifically target the gallbladder, this is also true of the liver. i have read many about people trying to flush out their liver or gallbladder, this is just not going to happen! i know a lot of people will not be happy with my statement, but i LOOK at gallbladders all day, i see them contracting on real time imaging right before my eyes. your gallbladder contracts every time you eat, yes a fatty meal will guarantee it contracts completely because the bile is meant to help digest fatty meals, but it isnt going to know the difference between food and an expensive "treatment".


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leslie

[PixieGreen]

Leslie, thank you for sharing your experience. Since it directly contradicts what I have seen with my own eyes I will continue to live as I have.

Christa

[PixieGreen]

Leslie, thank you for sharing your experience. Instead of assuming that there is no way to expell gallstones without surgery perhaps you would be willing to learn more? Gallstone cleanses are done with common ingredients that total less than $10, this is no one's get rich scheme.

The curezone forums offer information I would encourage you to read. Others do a better job than I at explaining why the ingredients used in the cleanse work. The curezone basic liver/ gallstone page is here nicely organized by topic:
http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/

Posts addressing the question "Has anyone had an ultrasound before & after a cleanse and had successful results?" may be found here:
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=143

80% of gallstones are made of cholesterol which is not visible with an ultrasound. because they are made of fatty material they pass through the body with little or no pain.

Honestly, and I mean no offense to your profession because you do a lot of good, but if I relied only on allopathic medicine I would have died twelve years ago.

Christa

[swiddweas]

I might suggest easing up on the nuts/seeds (especially if not sprouted) yet not the avos and coconut. Take one at a time ~ maybe half an avo a day for about 3 days. See if that bothers you. If it does, then stop for a day, one-half every other day. Same w/ coconuts.

Also, you might find a good qigong instructor in your area. Qigong is quite benefitial for balancing the organs and meridiens.

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Do you mean to ease up forever on the nuts and seeds> Thanks for your opinion, but how come not to ease up on coconut and avos?

Thank you ALL for your help!

Swid

[Autumn]

I had my gallbladder surgically removed at age 24 (14 years ago). Prior to the removal, I went through 2 years of incredible pain. Since my mother, great aunt and great granny all had their GB's removed, I knew what I was going through. I didn't go to the doctor because there never was a "good" time to be in the hospital. I finally had emergency surgery, after which the surgeon told me that the bile had started to back up into my liver. They had tried to do the laser treatment through the navel (so I have that scar as well), but it wasn't possible, so I have a nasty (though colorless) 14-inch scar across my stomach/side.

While I was recovering, my mom told me that a distant cousin also had gallstones, but had taken some "herbal treatment" and had disintergrated the stones. I know this cousin was vegan, but I don't know if she was raw. However she was always the "wacky hippie" in my family. I wish I had been in contact with her before my surgery, that's for sure! It took me 6 months before I even felt halfway normal again, and cost me about $25,000.

My post is not to alarm or annoy, but just to say if I had to do it over again, I would *definitely* check out any and all non-surgical treatments!!

[Revvell]

Do you mean to ease up forever on the nuts and seeds> Thanks for your opinion, but how come not to ease up on coconut and avos?

Thank you ALL for your help!

Swid

Just seems to me avos and coconuts are much easier to digest if you're having problems. I rarely do nuts anymore....or avos, now that I think about it. My gallbladder/liver problems went away on their own ~ with a good food program and qigong. No, I'm not saying forever. Just until things ease up for you. I like the idea of the sauna. Thinking of getting one meself.

I've never done anything in particular for things that have "ailed" me ~ including gallstones, a major toe infection, sciatica (o.k., epsom salt baths) and asthma other than my food program and qigong...and living my life totally by acknowledging when I was hitting upper limits ~ and breaking on through to the other side.

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[swiddweas]

Just seems to me avos and coconuts are much easier to digest if you're having problems. I rarely do nuts anymore....or avos, now that I think about it. My gallbladder/liver problems went away on their own ~ with a good food program and qigong. No, I'm not saying forever. Just until things ease up for you. I like the idea of the sauna. Thinking of getting one meself.

I've never done anything in particular for things that have "ailed" me ~ including gallstones, a major toe infection, sciatica (o.k., epsom salt baths) and asthma other than my food program and qigong...and living my life totally by acknowledging when I was hitting upper limits ~ and breaking on through to the other side.

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Please, if you will, what do you consider a good food program and what its qigong??
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Swidweas

[Rawkinlocs]

My husband has done the cleanse several times and I've seen the greenish stones he passed. He said there was never any pain with them passing through though he could feel it, but it wasn't painfull. He collected one and had it in tissue and when he squoze it (is that a word??) it broke up and was kinda soft, not hard like a mineral/rock-type stone.

As Christa said, the cleanse most people do isn't something you have to buy from a health food store or through someone in an MLM program - it's a simple recipe using several common ingredients that many people probably already have in their homes.

I took time to read some of the success stories at the link Christa posted and it's amazing! These people aren't selling anything or getting a commission...they're sharing their own personal experiences.

As for nothing being able to cure/remove gallstones aside from surgery, I know the same has been and is still said about cancer, juvenille diabetes and many other ailments YET...these things are being cured and reversed everyday using natural means including eating an appropriate diet and allowing the body to regain it's ability to heal itself. ;)

[Revvell]

Please, if you will, what do you consider a good food program and what its qigong??
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Swidweas

Raw foods ~ fresh fruit, greens ~ the usual.

Qigong is conscious movement. If you've seen tai chi (taijiquan) then you've seen a form of qigong. Here's one site which will explain it better:

http://chineseculture.about.com/library/weekly/aa040898.htm?once=true&


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[rawpriestess]

Hi,

I've been vegetarian for 10 years, and vegan for 7 years, then had terrible terrible pain in my rib cage, and thought I was having a heart attack.

The next day I went 100% raw, stayed there for 2 full months, had a baked potatoe with butter, and pain again, went 100% raw again, baked potatoe again, and pain again.

So, I finally asked my body what was wrong, I got the word Gallbladder, I never knew what one was, or where it was or anything about it. But after this I looke up the symptoms of Gallstones, and that is exactly what I had.

So, I kept up with raw, and when ever I eat cooked food, I get the pain again.

So, this is one wonderful way to stay raw.

Now, 100% raw, I eat tons of nuts everyday, I eat olive oil in and on lots of things, I don't eat avocadoes as I don't care for them, but I do love nut cheeses and the like.

But for some reason, when I eat raw food, I don't have this pain, if I eat cooked food I do.


One time it lasted 30 hours, so I highly doubt it was just my Gallbladder contracting on some food in my stomach.

I think I was passing gallstones, and they got stuck, and it took this long to get them out.

I also have a far infrared sauna, and I use it alot, and it has helped me heal.

I am sure of it.

[pizda]

I did four liver flushes in 2003, 5 in 2004 and only one in 2005. Since nothing came out, I did not do anymore this year. I have been raw for two years. I have drunk the Gold Coin Grass (dissolves gallbladder and kidney stones) tea for a year and now drink herbal teas that have rosehips as ingredient. If anybody interested I can send picture (yes I did pictures of the cholesterol stones that came out ,-)) of my “harvest”.
Epson salt is a good quick remedy for pains and part of flush process. I do not have anymore dull pains on the right side. Once you are operated and gallbladder is removed, you kiss the baby goodbye. Therefore, before you go to the doctor-butcher-money sucker to remove the vital part of your body, try anything. Whatever works.

[UltrasonicRaw]

one thing i wanted to point out was this: most of the people i see on a daily basis for gallbladder symptoms, like 9 out of 10 dont have gallstones when i scan them. the prep for this exam is to fast for at least 8 hours which keeps the gallbladder from contracting. i would say that most of these people without gallstones sincerely think they have them, they are convinced they have them and their pain is real. i cant tell you how many people are truly disappointed when there arent any there. my point is that if you think you have them, at least find out for sure so you arent obsessing on the wrong body part. then, if you have them, by all means try whatever you think might work to cure them, disolve them, help them to pass. then, go back and see if it worked. ultrasound is a great way to "look" at the gallbladder and see if the stones are still there, gone or if the gallbladder itself is inflamed. i have seen many patients with gallstones who say they have tried alternative methods, in my experience i have never seen one that has worked but these pts are few and far between, i may have not seen enough of them to really comment on that.

[CJB]

I, too, have had major gall bladder attacks in the past. I did a gallbladder flush and have had no recurrences for over 10 years! And this was even without going raw until recently. The attacks were the intense pain between the back shoulder blades that would stop me in my tracks. I did the flush and they were gone. The flush that I did had me drink a lot of apple juice for a week prior to the flush. If I'm remembering this correctly, it's the mallic acid in the apple juice helps to soften the gallstones, allowing them to pass.

It might interest you to know that while western doctors see the gall bladder as expendable, Chinese medicine views the gallbladder as integral to maintaining good health!

[Carlene]

I have been fighting gallstones for so long now they are just a part of my life. I also use the gallblader/liver cleanse. If those parakeet green stones aren't bile, what are they? Raw has not helped my gallstones, if anything it seems worse.

If you read all the documentation on the gallbladder/liver cleanse it is not just the gallbladder that is being cleansed but the liver also. Thats where I think my problems are (fatty liver) and that it isn't my gallbladder I'm feeling when I have the pressure under my right rib, but my liver.

My own thoughts are that through raw my body is cleansing itself. One of my major clogged systems is my liver. If my liver is pushing crud out through my bile system I'm expecting to have to do cleanses through maybe my first year of raw.

[swiddweas]

Thank you one and all! :D

This is alot of info to digest. The intense pain and heavyness in my right side under my rib cage is much better today, although it feels like a very over worked sore muscle today. Maybe yesterday I was trying to pass the stones, hum. Anyway, I don't want to loose my GB. SO, saying that, please tell me your cleanses you are doing? My Dr. warned me of a grapefruit/lemon/ollive oil cleanse he said do not do it as it could really cause blockage in the duct. So I am sorta leary to try cleanses, but will try to save my GB. Yesterday MOrning I took "Natures Secret" Ultimate cleanse. I am wondering if that's what caused my pain. The warnings said if you experiance any pain to discontine use as it has don qui or something like that. It has alot of strong herbs in it, and there are a couple i believe in there for liver cleansing. I am wondering If my liver was being cleansed by this?????

Thank you for reading and helping me. I'ts kinda scary when there is so much pain and nausea..it's like.....what do you do/???


Swid

[Revvell]

Could you ask how grapefruit/lemon/olive oil could possibly cause a blockage in the duct? Interesting how they'll say something yet not back up w/ how/why ~ just that it does this or that. I for one would be interested to know.

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[theresaann]

Hi there~

I practice Craniosacral therapy and once had a client who was scheduled for gall bladder removal within a few days because her liver was showing compromise, but her chiropractor suggested just TRYING a session of bodywork before going in. She agreed and I worked on her for one session. WHat I found is that the dural membranes (connective tissue sac and attachments) around the base of the gall bladder were blocking off the ductal opening. The tension was emotional due to anger with her sister (I'm a medical intuitive and talk to the body and ask it why it's compromised). After the session and with one gall bladder flush, she was fine and cancelled the surgery. She became much more committed to a healthier diet after that. So there can be meridian, energetic and structural involvement too with this condition, so dietary intervention is REALLY important, but check out bodywork too-and Medical Qi Gong IS a great help to people.

[PixieGreen]

Swid, I used the recipe found in the book "Are You 'Stoned'?" for my first cleanse. Rather than pay for the out of print book there is a nice abridged version online here:
http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/Are_You_Stoned.asp

Since I am doing the full round of parasite, colon and gallbladder cleanses this time around and because my condition isn't critical like before I'll be doing a milder cleanse this month. Probably closer to Hula Clark's cleanse but using the oxygen colon cleanse stuff instead of epsom salts, nausea was the only side effect of the first cleanse and I'm going to see if I can avoid that. Drinking a few gallons of apple juice for a few days leading up to my first cleanse would have been a good idea, I wish I'd read about it then.

Christa

[BDraw]

Christa -- I too have done gall bladder/liver flushes, mostly using Clark's method. I was told to elevate the upper body to avoid nausea while sleeping, steal everybody's pillow or use couch cushions. It works! And I too have passed numerous stones! Wondering if I will ever be done.