Is everyone here Vegan? Anyone eat meat or dairy?

[*katnip*]

:D please excuse the ignorance.

[Ilse W.]

You probably won't get any anwers, as this is a "raw vegan" forum, and even if some of the people were to consume animal products, they won't post about it here.:)

[*katnip*]

ooooooh ok. I didnt now it was raw vegan only. I though it was just raw foods etc.

Cool anyway , didn't mean to offend anyone! Sorry!

[Ilse W.]

You certainly didn't offend me :D:D:D

[spicyfull]

ALL questions excepted. People fall off the wagon and I don't know what they go back to but as far as the Majority, a Vegan does not eat Meat OR Dairy.

[JennaBoBenna]

ooooooh ok. I didnt now it was raw vegan only. I though it was just raw foods etc.

Cool anyway , didn't mean to offend anyone! Sorry!

You really should read the rules for posting before you post on a forum. Your post is very offensive when the rules are posted right there..

[Cerellia]

Raw meat is delicious and drinking the birth milk of a different speices is so natural...

/irony off

[rawlight]

:D please excuse the ignorance.

Katnip, it wasn't a dumb question.

There are times when this site is so cruel to newcomers. Most people here are not even at 100% and they talk to you like that :( I am sorry for this reception. So as you gathered, since this is a raw vegan board, talk of animal products (except honey and bee pollen :rolleyes: ) is restricted.

Please feel free to post other questions or queries about anything that is raw vegan.

And sincerely, welcome to Raw Food Talk!

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

:D please excuse the ignorance.

No question is dumb. It didn't offend me. I am vegan. I try to be raw as much as I can, sometimes I slip up on raw, but vegan, for me, isn't something I would 'slip up' at.

Anyway, I don't know if there is anyone here who eats meat or dairy but it's a raw vegan board anyways.

Welcome!

[HolyGuacamole]

Katnip, it wasn't a dumb question.

There are times when this site is so cruel to newcomers. Most people here are not even at 100% and they talk to you like that :( I am sorry for this reception. So as you gathered, since this is a raw vegan board, talk of animal products (except honey and bee pollen :rolleyes: ) is restricted.

Please feel free to post other questions or queries about anything that is raw vegan.

And sincerely, welcome to Raw Food Talk!

Ditto.
There was nothing dumb or offensive about it.
Welcome. Really - you're welcome here.

Love to you. :)

[gabriele]

As a relative newcomer myself, what i DO find offensive on this website is that some people instantly become rude at the sheer mention of meat or dairy questions, as if as grown adults we can't hear these words without some irrational, immature reaction. We are all here to learn and I have learned a lot on this website, but this kind of reaction makes me cringe. Many of us are struggling with the omission of meat/dairy/chocolate/cheese/fish and in intelligent discussions sometimes you have to mention them as we learn about the raw, vegan lifestyle. There was nothing at all offensive about katnip's question, what was offensive was the knee-jerk reaction calling it offensive. I have seen this here before (as rawlight says) and it is disturbing. So for me the bigger question is not, what is vegan or raw, but why we can't have an open, all-inclusive discussion using any terminology we want while at the same time understanding and respecting the philosophy of this website. I have trouble also with "restricting" language......John Robbins couldn't have written his brilliant book "Food Revolution" without continually saying the forbidden words "meat" and "animals".

Sorry for the speech.

[SweetTangerine]

As a relative newcomer myself, what i DO find offensive on this website is that some people instantly become rude at the sheer mention of meat or dairy questions, as if as grown adults we can't hear these words without some irrational, immature reaction. We are all here to learn and I have learned a lot on this website, but this kind of reaction makes me cringe. Many of us are struggling with the omission of meat/dairy/chocolate/cheese/fish and in intelligent discussions sometimes you have to mention them as we learn about the raw, vegan lifestyle. There was nothing at all offensive about katnip's question, what was offensive was the knee-jerk reaction calling it offensive. I have seen this here before (as rawlight says) and it is disturbing. So for me the bigger question is not, what is vegan or raw, but why we can't have an open, all-inclusive discussion using any terminology we want while at the same time understanding and respecting the philosophy of this website. I have trouble also with "restricting" language......John Robbins couldn't have written his brilliant book "Food Revolution" without continually saying the forbidden words "meat" and "animals".

Sorry for the speech.

No need for apologies... it was very well put. :)

[The French One]

Fact is that this forum is based on Alissa's book, which promotes vegan raw food. As a consequence, meat and dairy raw recipes, for instance, are not allowed here. But there are other raw forums in which you can find raw vegan and raw eaters (that eat raw meat, fish, dairies). For instance, look at this conversation (same topic than here, but much different answers): http://www.rawfreedomcommunity.info/forum/showthread.php?t=4876

Concerning people here, because that was your question, I think that most of us are or tend to be vegan. Personally, I'm still transitioning from SAD food, and I've suppresses dairy and meat, except the occasional fish, which I'll succeed to stop eating one day or the other.

BTW, welcome here!

[Infinitus]

Take a look at this excellent presentation:



A Diet For All Reasons:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3881515735687284929&ei=eEsPSrGTFczg-QbZsN3uAg&q=diet+for+all+reasons&emb=1

[JennaBoBenna]

As a relative newcomer myself, what i DO find offensive on this website is that some people instantly become rude at the sheer mention of meat or dairy questions, as if as grown adults we can't hear these words without some irrational, immature reaction. .

For most of us, this board is the only place we can come without being bombarded with questions/comments about meat and dairy. The rules state that this is a vegan board. It's not anybody being rude, it's the rules! I think the people being rude are the ones who mention meat and dairy on this board when the rules for posting are posted for everyone to read!

[marissa_al1]

wo, it was just a question. it wasn't a recipe for beef jerky or a vegetarian/vegan hating post.
it's really sad to see so much hostility. i think we have enough with the huge amount of vegetarian haters out there, if we start reacting like those people i think it might be time to give up on humanity.

but i'm glad to see that most people reacted with love.

[Revvell]

Ignore what you don't like and love the rest. You don't like what one person says, why put so much focus on it? Focus on the original post and leave the rest.

[snoops]

I have to say I read that thread on the other board before it was posted here and my first thought was maybe I don't want to go to that board anymore. I know how animals are treated and I don't want to hear about it or read about it because it makes me cry. I for one am glad that we are not discussing it here.

[*katnip*]

again I apologize.

I'm totally new to this forum and maybe 2 weeks ago read about Alissa, so I didn't know she was strictly raw vegan, I haven't even read her book yet.... I now know that for alot of you this is a safe haven where no one mentions these things, so my apologies. Also, like many humans I made a mistake and, I didn't read all of the rules, so lesson learned. I will try my best to be more attentive from now on.

I'm new to this lifestyle but not new to forums, I didn't mean to cause any drama. In all the years I have been on forums I have never been the drama thread starter lol, so it feels strange to be a newbie and in a middle of this.

thanks to all who are loving, I appreciate it. I look forward to spending more time with everyone here :)

[snoops]

no need to apologize. Welcome to the forum. There are a lot of cool people, great recipes and support here.

PS. Where in Houston are you? I lived in the Woodlands for 7 years. Am missing the warm weather.

[mstrish]

For most of us, this board is the only place we can come without being bombarded with questions/comments about meat and dairy. The rules state that this is a vegan board. It's not anybody being rude, it's the rules! I think the people being rude are the ones who mention meat and dairy on this board when the rules for posting are posted for everyone to read!

I agree with you about being a safe place for us to get support.

[Tee42]

Hi Lucy,

I'm new here - well not new to Alissa's forum but new to this new and improved forum after an absence. I personally wasn't the least bit taken back by your question. I wondered about it myself since I'm working my way back to totally raw in my own perfectly imperfect way. I was taken back by the first few responses you got and immediately had three thoughts:

1. It must be nice to be totally perfect, or at least think you are. :rolleyes:
2. Maybe this isn't the accepting supportive forum I thought it was.
3. Why is it that people who are so protective of animals will lash out so rudely at another human animal? There is a certain disconnect there, no? Hmmm maybe something to think about - a potential imperfection to work on.

I am doing my best to work my way to a raw vegan diet. I am not perfect. But according to Alissa and her guidelines I don't need to be. You don't either.


You do not have to be 100% raw or even 50% raw, but you do need to be supportive of this lifestyle and striving towards or interested in this raw vegan diet.

She also says it's ok to ask questions. So you were not wrong to do so.


You are welcome to ask questions and have different opinions but please be mindful and respectful that this is a raw food board whose members are raw, striving to be raw and/or are searching for vegan raw food information.

I guess we are all breaking rule #6. In discussing this but then the OP didn't post in favor of anything. It was a simple question seemingly born out of curiousity. Is that so bad? Wouldn't a gentle reminder of the rules work as well as a snarky reply?


6. No discussions of animal products such as dairy, eggs or meat. We realize that for some, honey should be among that list but we are not opposed to honey so please do not start up discussions about why we accept honey if we’re vegan. There are discussions where the subject of honey was brought up and talked about so feel free to do a search for it to see the various sides of that. But aside from honey, no discussions in favor of consuming other animal products are to be discussed here.

I hope this kind of pile on mentality isn't what these boards are all about because after reading Alissa's book and watching her video countless times it sure doesn't seem like this is what she's about.

Lannette

[SimplyFabulush]

I think it's okay to ask questions, even if they are considered "a waste of time" by others. I'm on the internet, believe me I have time to waste :D I'm not one of those "my time is so precious, I don't have the patience for your nonsense" type people ;) I do eat meat/SAD food from time to time, because I'm still getting into this and going slow. I eat about 90-95% raw or mostly raw but all vegan, and 5-10% SAD. I am taking it slow, and its working for me. Raw for me is not an ethical issue (I personally don't like animals, just not my thing) so I have no moral problems with eating them. I just don't prefer it because it makes me sick, gives me headaches, achey joints, etc. I know I will be 100% (or at least very very close) in the future, I have patience with myself and my flaws :)

[Colorawdo girl]

"see the upset,not an as an exterior circumstance to be remedied,but rather as an interior condition to be understood."


wishing peace for all

[Jenifae]

Hi Lucy

I'd like to Welcome you to RFT! :) I'm glad you asked this question as it is appropriate when trying to learn and understand what it means to be Raw and Vegan.

Thank You to Lanette for putting the quotes of Alissa up here. :)

Alot of people here struggle with being fully Raw and Relapsing on SAD (Standard American Diet) which is full of meat and dairy. I could be wrong but, it seems that over 50% of those on this forum have struggled and/or are struggling. So, please don't take a couple of comments to personally. It's sad but, when we are not fully grounded or secure in a thing we are doing - meaning humans in general - Fear and Defense kicks in.

I'm glad you're here stirrin' up the pot. ;)

[JennaBoBenna]

Tee42,

I think you're missing the point completely. The fact is that it is a rule to not talk about meat and dairy. It's not anybody lashing out, being rude, or anything when we correct them. It's not "holier-than-thou" or anything like that. I come here to discuss VEGAN(beegan) foods. If someone wants to discuss raw meat and dairy, they are welcome to on Raw Freedom Community or other raw boards where they allow discussions like that.
We're not saying it's not okay to ask questions, that's totally fine. Just keep the questions within the rules or go to a different forum.

I wish this forum were like the other "real" online forums where rules are enforced with week-long bans. If you break a rule, there should be consequences.

[Zoocrew10]

Tee42,

I think you're missing the point completely. The fact is that it is a rule to not talk about meat and dairy. It's not anybody lashing out, being rude, or anything when we correct them. It's not "holier-than-thou" or anything like that. I come here to discuss VEGAN(beegan) foods. If someone wants to discuss raw meat and dairy, they are welcome to on Raw Freedom Community or other raw boards where they allow discussions like that.
We're not saying it's not okay to ask questions, that's totally fine. Just keep the questions within the rules or go to a different forum.

I wish this forum were like the other "real" online forums where rules are enforced with week-long bans. If you break a rule, there should be consequences.

well since the poor girl was intimidated into deleting her original post, I'm going on memory alone and as far as my memory recalls there was no discussion about meat or dairy, simply asking if this board was about meat/dairy. From what I can tell, you and your small-mindedness have turned it into a discussion. If you want more folks to be willing to accept this as a valid way of life and not look upon it with scorn and criticism, you need to be a little bit more open minded and be willing to educate those looking for knowledge. She's looking for answers, and searching. Why, instead of bashing, can't you lend her a helping hand and give her the answer she seeks without making her feel as though she's not welcome here? You don't look very old from your photo, you might want to consider how your words come across before you spew them about, child. Pardon my version of an old adage, but you attract more bees with honey, than with vinegar.

eta that if ignorance required "consequences" then there would be many qualifying candidates out there, including the ignorance quoted above.

[Tee42]

Actually Jenna, I believe that it's you who either didn't read my post or totally missed my intention. That's ok though because it's much harder to deliver intent in writing than it is in person. As for me, I won't be revisiting this thread because as you say it's against the rules to speak about the topic in question.

Wishing you a happy, satisfying RAW day,

[adiebabe]

As a relative newcomer myself, what i DO find offensive on this website is that some people instantly become rude at the sheer mention of meat or dairy questions, as if as grown adults we can't hear these words without some irrational, immature reaction. We are all here to learn and I have learned a lot on this website, but this kind of reaction makes me cringe. Many of us are struggling with the omission of meat/dairy/chocolate/cheese/fish and in intelligent discussions sometimes you have to mention them as we learn about the raw, vegan lifestyle. There was nothing at all offensive about katnip's question, what was offensive was the knee-jerk reaction calling it offensive. I have seen this here before (as rawlight says) and it is disturbing. So for me the bigger question is not, what is vegan or raw, but why we can't have an open, all-inclusive discussion using any terminology we want while at the same time understanding and respecting the philosophy of this website. I have trouble also with "restricting" language......John Robbins couldn't have written his brilliant book "Food Revolution" without continually saying the forbidden words "meat" and "animals".

Sorry for the speech.

I agree! I had a post deleted on me simply because it mentioned an animal product....however, the post topic was actually about the fact the product had been artificially sprayed a colour! It was even under general topics, not food. :rolleyes:

It is what it is, I guess....I almost left after that and of other couple posts I came across with the ol' "knee-jerk" reaction as you called it. I opted to ignore those posts and continue on. There's still lots of good info and peeps on here :) Plus, sometimes, I think people forget that without body language and verbal cues, things can get 'lost in translation' and actually come across as really rude when they weren't meant that way.

[michigan roman]

Hi Lucy

I'd like to Welcome you to RFT! :) I'm glad you asked this question as it is appropriate when trying to learn and understand what it means to be Raw and Vegan.

Thank You to Lanette for putting the quotes of Alissa up here. :)

Alot of people here struggle with being fully Raw and Relapsing on SAD (Standard American Diet) which is full of meat and dairy. I could be wrong but, it seems that over 50% of those on this forum have struggled and/or are struggling. So, please don't take a couple of comments to personally. It's sad but, when we are not fully grounded or secure in a thing we are doing - meaning humans in general - Fear and Defense kicks in.

I'm glad you're here stirrin' up the pot. ;)

ditto ......:)

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

Tee42,

I think you're missing the point completely. The fact is that it is a rule to not talk about meat and dairy.

I wish this forum were like the other "real" online forums where rules are enforced with week-long bans. If you break a rule, there should be consequences.

I think that is going a bit far. People will always bend rules, but that's not the point - she didn't deliberately mean to be "rude" and the rules aren't "right there" - I sure didn't get into reading them before I posted my first post - I just googled raw teen or something and found the teen section in this forum - maybe I should have read them first but I have since. Anyway, she obviously had no intention of trashing the raw vegan lifestyle she was just asking questions etc.

There is no need for a "week-long ban", that's just silly! It's a support forum for goodness sake, politely telling someone that they aren't suppose to post about a or b is good enough, IMO.

[Aleesha Sattva]

again I apologize.

I'm totally new to this forum and maybe 2 weeks ago read about Alissa, so I didn't know she was strictly raw vegan, I haven't even read her book yet.... I now know that for alot of you this is a safe haven where no one mentions these things, so my apologies. Also, like many humans I made a mistake and, I didn't read all of the rules, so lesson learned. I will try my best to be more attentive from now on.

I'm new to this lifestyle but not new to forums, I didn't mean to cause any drama. In all the years I have been on forums I have never been the drama thread starter lol, so it feels strange to be a newbie and in a middle of this.

thanks to all who are loving, I appreciate it. I look forward to spending more time with everyone here :)

ah heck girl, you don't need to apologize. you asked a question... and you got an answer - unfortunately the answer you were looking for isn't allowed on this forum but that was an answer in itself. (((hugs)))

i'm sending you hugs and hope you'll stick around. i know there's been times i've been very tempted to leave here because of the rules and the way they are enforced... but heck... i'm here to get and give support and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

of course making a few friends is always a bonus! (((hugs)))

[gabriele]

Ummm, let's see, Jenna, you called Lucy "rude", you arrogantly said to Lannette that she was "missing the point completely" and finally you compared this forum to other "real" forums (implying this is fake). Three insults in one thread. You seem a little young to be so very condescending and intolerant.

If disrespecting others is breaking one of the rules, and you want the "rules" to be enforced with a one week ban, my guess is we won't be seeing much of you for a few days.

I happen to love back and forth debate which is why i am feisty enough (dumb enough) to write this even though i probably shouldn't. Real hunger for information originally brought me to this website. I need facts, ideas, thoughts, not a "safe" place. I don't even know what this means, a "safe" place. I'm not a crime victim, what on earth does safety have to do with anything? We are talking about FOOD here!!! I don't need "safety", i need information. The fear of people mentioning certain words strikes me as infantile and insecure. I read the rules for posting and i might be wrong here, but it seems like the most important rule is respect and acceptance of the raw/vegan way of life. It is totally understandable that debating consumption of animal products is not allowed. This may not be the place for me anyway because i don't like restrictions on free speech or censorship of any kind. But i respect the foundations of this website and the raw/vegan lifestyle. The fixation on "the rules" is giving me a headache. I'd rather learn about how to live on raw foods and not crave chocolate. I'd rather focus on what to do with kale. Not who is breaking which rule, like we are in kindergarden.

[appifanie]

No question is dumb. It didn't offend me. I am vegan. I try to be raw as much as I can, sometimes I slip up on raw, but vegan, for me, isn't something I would 'slip up' at.


same! cruelty is cruelty.

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

The fixation on "the rules" is giving me a headache. I'd rather learn about how to live on raw foods and not crave chocolate. I'd rather focus on what to do with kale. Not who is breaking which rule, like we are in kindergarden.

I feel the same way.

[rawlight]

Tee42,

I think you're missing the point completely. The fact is that it is a rule to not talk about meat and dairy.

Jenna, you were one of the first responders. You know this whole thing could have been avoided if you had just spoken more kindly and pointed out where she could read 'the rules.'

And then said, "Welcome to RFT!"

I hope we remember this next time. Because there *will* be a next time!

[Revvell]

So, what was the original question again? :confused: ;)

[snoops]

seriously, can we move on now!!:rolleyes:

[russio]

You really should read the rules for posting before you post on a forum. Your post is very offensive when the rules are posted right there..

Her post was not in any way offensive. The way you lashed out at her multiple times (especially when she is a newcomer) is offensive. You should apologize and please keep your posts mature, because your posts in this thread are simply not.

I tried not to let it go, but she was out of line here and needs to know it in no uncertain terms.

[snoops]

we moved on over a week ago:)

[Rawjac]

here, here!

it's all good! we strive, that's what we do. not always successful, but life is about trying again and again till success is ours. mine is different to the next person's but as long as i'm happy, that's all that matters.

katnip, welcome to the forums! i'm not all raw, all vegan but i'm fine and will keep striving!

[personaliTEA]

Tee42,

I think you're missing the point completely. The fact is that it is a rule to not talk about meat and dairy. It's not anybody lashing out, being rude, or anything when we correct them. It's not "holier-than-thou" or anything like that. I come here to discuss VEGAN(beegan) foods. If someone wants to discuss raw meat and dairy, they are welcome to on Raw Freedom Community or other raw boards where they allow discussions like that.
We're not saying it's not okay to ask questions, that's totally fine. Just keep the questions within the rules or go to a different forum.

I wish this forum were like the other "real" online forums where rules are enforced with week-long bans. If you break a rule, there should be consequences.


Oh my god...

I'm just a reader on this forum, but I have seen you make all these types of comments. Just do us all a favor and chill out. Or better yet, just leave.

[gabriele]

Oh my god...

I'm just a reader on this forum, but I have seen you make all these types of comments. Just do us all a favor and chill out. Or better yet, just leave.

It's funny that this thread is still around, but you'll be happy to know that "she" has long gone, if you check out her website, she is happily working her way towards her lifelong goal of becoming a playboy bunny.

[kyrie]

It's funny that this thread is still around, but you'll be happy to know that "she" has long gone, if you check out her website, she is happily working her way towards her lifelong goal of becoming a playboy bunny.

I, for one, respect Jenna Bobenna, she may have spoken harshly, but she was honest about what she felt. She's been a member of this site for several years, and what she has acomplished with her weight, her health etc is absolutely amazing, considering where she started from. If she wants to become a playboy bunny to show off the results of her hard work, good luck to her, and I won't judge her because it's her life and her decision. The girl is beautiful, extremely talented and determined,and has turned her body around 180 degrees. In fact she looks fabulous.

I've been following Alissa's work from before this forum existed, and her website alissacohen.com was barely up. That was more than 6 years ago. One of the reasons I don't post often on this site as a rule is because of the kind of behaviour I've seen on this thread, eg. the sarcasm above,and comments telling people to leave, and not just by JennaBobenna.
I think we all need to remember the golden rule, and treat others the way we would like to be treated.

Also much as healthy debate can be fun, that's not what I'm here on this forum for.If I needed debate I'd join a political think tank or go watch parliament in session.Another reason why I've tried to ignore this thread. However I respect this girl for what she has accomplished, and she was here for longer than 5 mins, she put in the hard yards and is now enjoying her life.

Vale Jenna, and good luck,

Carla.

[Tsurugi_Oni]

"From my understanding talk of meat is not to be gone into depth, not banned.

I got the same reception when I foolishly advised an extreme sad eater on how to transition to a healthier diet (including healthier meats). Meat is the "ni--er" of these forums. It's taboo.

But to answer the OP's question. I do eat meat (cooked, as well as raw tuna/salmon/bream (I catch)) along with a lot of raw.

[kyrie]

"From my understanding talk of meat is not to be gone into depth, not banned.

I got the same reception when I foolishly advised an extreme sad eater on how to transition to a healthier diet (including healthier meats). Meat is the "ni--er" of these forums. It's taboo.

But to answer the OP's question. I do eat meat (cooked, as well as raw tuna/salmon/bream (I catch)) along with a lot of raw.

Hi Tsurugi Oni,

As a black woman who lurks on this forum every day, several times a day, I honestly do not appreciate the language that you've used above in your post.:mad: It definitely was not appropriate or necessary to get your point across.:mad:

That's all I have to say. I think I'll go hang out at RFC for a while, where the air is a bit fresher.

Carla.

[coconut-slave]

This thread is ridiculous! How can one support a philosophy based on the exclusion of certain foods from ones diet without being able to mention those very foods while discussing his/her philosophy?!
Why didn't anyone protest when we were discussing a suitable substitute for mayonnaise? I know I used the word "eggs" at least once of twice... because thats what real mayo is made of. If you really want to master the preparation of raw foods, you will do as much research as you can on the ingredients you're using, and the dishes you are trying to simulate. A raw chef is better off understanding traditional culinary ingredients and techniques, just as a rock 'n roll musician is better off understanding classical music theory.
To reject something to the point that you can't bear to even hear it mentioned has to be rooted in fear or resentment or hatred: none of which we want ruling our actions, at least to the point that we're not letting ourselves learn. Otherwise we're being dogmatic.
People share all kinds of information about themselves on this site, including how much they weigh, what kinds of diseases they have, the personal struggles they're going through,... As much controversy as this thread has generated (and it may even turn into a racial debate any moment,) it's original question has been answered. Yes, a whole lot of us eat dairy and meat and cooked food... not a ridiculous statistic about which to inquire. It's not like she asked, "hey y'all, what's your favorite thing about char-broiled pork tenderloin?" Nobody signed up for this site to dance and sing about meat eating.
We're all basically here to learn about food; learn as much as you can about food.

Sorry I wasted my time ranting on this stupid thread. This thread sucks... get rid of it before it becomes an incredible disaster...

[klomasius]

Can everyone please, PLEASE, just stop posting in this thread!

Just don't do it. Please.

[gabriele]

Hi Tsurugi Oni,

As a black woman who lurks on this forum every day, several times a day, I honestly do not appreciate the language that you've used above in your post.:mad: It definitely was not appropriate or necessary to get your point across.:mad:

That's all I have to say. I think I'll go hang out at RFC for a while, where the air is a bit fresher.

Carla.

Carla, i agree completely with you on this one.

[Tsurugi_Oni]

Wow, I'm half black and South Korean.

I'm around people saying the "N" word all the time. Surburban caucasian kids, caucasian OG's, African American people, Chinese, whatever. Hearing it doesn't set off some primal instinct to go ballistic on the person. Words are just words, just like some people swear based off of habit. It's the person's character that determines the value of the words that they speak. Two-sided people can say "Hey best friend!!!" to your face but hate your guts. I try not to get too caught up.

Relating the cultural taboo against the "n" word is a universal way to show how this forum tends to react to the word "meat". There is nothing offensive about this and it is only truth. Not to be insensitive but if you can't deal with a simple word then you have to do some introspection and see why.

I hate to beat a dead horse but........ oops..... =]

[sport]

I have to say that I can show a greater tolerance of meat eaters and meat eating since I went raw.
As a 35 year veteran of vegetarianism I was very intolerant, but now I feel that there are worse things to eat such as refined carbs and sugar.
I will never eat it but it is no longer at the very top of my list for others.

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

Hi Tsurugi Oni,

As a black woman who lurks on this forum every day, several times a day, I honestly do not appreciate the language that you've used above in your post.:mad: It definitely was not appropriate or necessary to get your point across.:mad:

That's all I have to say. I think I'll go hang out at RFC for a while, where the air is a bit fresher.

Carla.

I genuinely don't believe that the poster meant any ignorance or harm to anyone when she made the comment you are talking about. It seems to me that the poster was simply referring to the context of "that" word not what it means or is taken as meaning i.e. a black person. It's usually viewed as a derogatory word and the poster was saying that this is how the word 'meat' seems to be viewed around here. That is what I got from what the they posted.

[RaeVynn]

ROFLMAO!!

You know, if I thought for one moment that eating Raw was going to turn me into someone that was so very easily offended, I'd go back to SAD in a heartbeat.

Perhaps it's just because I've been involved in online communities (and, have been a moderator on a few) for 13 years, but seriously... the OP asked a very simple question, and the whole lot of you have all just gone off the deep end.

You might not see much of me around here... i am a bit more of a free-thinker.

[Care4raw]

Hi Tsurugi Oni,

As a black woman who lurks on this forum every day, several times a day, I honestly do not appreciate the language that you've used above in your post.:mad: It definitely was not appropriate or necessary to get your point across.:mad:

That's all I have to say. I think I'll go hang out at RFC for a while, where the air is a bit fresher.

Carla.

I agree. I don't want to see it here ( or anywhere). i am a Jew, why not write the 'kike' of meaters..etc..its all offensive. We can be articulate and not have to go to those places. I know they'll be multiple posters saying i don't get offended.. oh please. lets use some common sense.

[Tsurugi_Oni]

I didn't even type out the whole word, which is politically more correct than saying the whole thing (not in my book). If you cannot even refer to a word without some emotional response then I don't know what to do. It's like when the word "death" pops up and all of a sudden the person's whole paradigm of the universe cracks in an instant. There are plenty commonly used words in the English language that once were taboo.

We gotta evolve past this point in our personal consciousness, towards where we can look at everything from your ivory tower of higher understanding. Where we can speak about everything and anything and accept it as truth. If you can't accept the energies of What Is Happening then you are simply stuck outside of reality.

People have called me a "ni--ger" and a "ch-nk". Some people have said it with spite and many with great love.

Even an "I hate you b--ch" can be felt with heartfelt warmth if from a playful lifelong friend.

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

People have called me a "ni--ger" and a "ch-nk". Some people have said it with spite and many with great love.

Even an "I hate you b--ch" can be felt with heartfelt warmth if from a playful lifelong friend.



True.



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[debilana]

I miss rawkinlocs being mod. SHe would have never let a thread get so ..crazy.