So Raw Food can be dangerous after all..

[RawNorwegian]

I'm talking about parasites. How can one know when one have parasites in their body, how to get rid of them and also: Is this something I have to worry about everytime I eat a meal now??

:confused:

[pixie_333]

everyone has them. some parasites are good to have. i was told it's the most undiagnoised health issue out there... it's the cause for something but people are wrong diagnoised.
there's so many symptoms.. best to google i suppose. but people take herb cleansings. i know anti-biotics may only kill like 1-4 parasites vs herbs may kill hundreds. i learned that from a doctor and friends.

[pixie_333]

ps

you have to be most concerned with parasites from eating meat.. especialy undercooked. there are always some in meat.

wear shoes on the grass if dogs and cats go to the bathroom there. it's easy to get some that way... they crawl into the toenail and toe area for instance.

[EZ rider]

I've heard that eating garlic will knock em out

[RawNorwegian]

So people who eat non-raw food also get them? Or are 100% raw vegans more likely to get them?

[Colorawdo girl]

crossing the street is dangerous too:D

[ReneeH]

I've heard that eating garlic will knock em out

Hey EZ rider, do you swallow it whole, in pieces, or do you chew it? Or, do you take a supplement?

[rawstrength]

People who eat cooked food are more likely to develop parasites. If your immune system is strong and you are healthy, your body will fight off parasites.

[RaeVynn]

Much more likely to get parasites from undercooked meat, fish, and poultry.
Be sure to wash your veggies when you bring them home, and wash your hands!
If you have cats/dogs, be sure to wash after petting them, cleaning litter boxes, or cleaning up after them.

David Wolfe, in Eating for Beauty, talks about natural ways to get rid of parasites. Besides garlic and onions, papaya seeds do a good job, too.

[Revvell]

I can't imagine that worrying will do you much good. Probably do more damage than any parasite will do.

So, did you "worry" about them as a meat eater? Far more chance of getting them you know.

Do you know you can get them through walking barefoot, breathing air, or any number of ways? Ummm, just giving you more to worry about. ;)


I'm talking about parasites. How can one know when one have parasites in their body, how to get rid of them and also: Is this something I have to worry about everytime I eat a meal now??

:confused:

[RawNorwegian]

Haha, thanks Revvell :p

I never worried about parasites on a normal diet, I would just eat what I thought was good for me, and also what I knew was NOT good for me :o

Ok, I will stop worrying about parasites, for now anyway..

Now I have began worrying about that I just found out that Raw Chocolate is not healthy at all! :(

Now I can't eat raw chocolate!! :eek: I mean, would you after reading this?:


Cacao: Not As Good As Youve Been Lead To Believe.

by Paul Nison

The latest and greatest so-called super food being promoted in the raw food world is raw chocolate, also known as cacao. I myself was excited when I first heard about it. But after trying it, I didn't feel that great. I asked others how they felt after consuming cacao and there were no complaints. That was then. After a few months, I started to get more and more complaints from people who were taking cacao. It didn't surprise me because chocolate in general is not good for us. Other than the enzyme issue, why would raw cacao be so healthy for us?

That is when I decided to do research and I found some scary facts. Whats even scarier is that people are so addicted to it, that even after learning of the high possibility of harmful effects, they keep consuming it. What concerns me the most is the amount people are eating. If someone took a pinch, lets say once a week, then maybe they wouldn't have to worry. When I see people being lead to believe that there are many health benefits to consuming tablespoons every day; that is just crazy!
If you are eating a raw food diet because you want to find a natural toxin that will make you feel high, then you have found a good product. Beware, because there are many downsides to it. If you are eating a raw diet for health benefits, consuming chocolate in any form should be off your list and out of your mind.

In one of the best overall raw guides ever written Diet by Design: Fruits, Nuts and Natural Foods (available at www.rawlife.com) it says the following about cacao:

Chocolate and cacao are outright health hazards due to the chemicals, contaminants, and additives they contain. The chemicals within chocolate are called methylxanthines. They can be further classified as theobromine, caffeine, and theophylline, all of which have deleterious effects on the body. Theobromine is known to cause a host of symptoms including abnormal glandular growth, nervousness, depression, anxiety, insomnia, gastrointestinal problems, and itching. Caffeine is highly suspected of being a carcinogen, and is directly linked to heart and circulatory problems, glandular difficulties, nervous disorders, osteoporosis, birthing abnormalities, and so forth. Theophylline causes stomach problems, nausea, vomiting, and nervous disorders.

The processing of cacao beans into powder and chocolate is an unsanitary, risky procedure to say the least. To be blunt-chocolate and cacao are laced with animal feces and hair, insects, and molds. The carcinogenic mold called aflatoxin has been found in large quantities on cacao beans.

Allowable limits have been set by the FDA regarding rodent feces and insect parts in chocolate and cocoa! As quoted from Poison With a Capital C, every time you eat a chocolate bar, it may contain a rodent hair and 16 insect parts and still carry the blessing of the FDA., and For chocolate powder or cakes there must not be more than 75 insect fragments in three tablespoons of powder., and Four percent of cacao beans may be infested by insects. Animal excreta (such as visible rat droppings) must not exceed 10 milligrams per pound.

Now, after learning this information, people will still continue to indulge, making excuses to keep eating it. Please note I have no reason to write this information, other than to make you aware of the truth. In fact, I would make a lot of money if I sold raw chocolate and products that contain it. But I just cant do that, knowing the truth.

I give lectures all over the world, mostly in the United Stated. I have already giving over 100 lectures this year alone. Just about every lecture I give, I have someone come up to me telling me that they experienced one or more of the symptoms above after consuming cacao. Now if you are eating cacao and have not had symptoms, that doesnt mean its okay for you. Its just a matter of time, so why not stop now.

It is my passion and my goal to get information about health to as many people as possible. What you do with that information is your own personal choice.

[T-Bird]

Do you know you can get them through walking barefoot, breathing air, or any number of ways? Ummm, just giving you more to worry about.


Don't forget about swimming!

Those amoebas can swim up your nose, and then I read about this tropical parasite that if you pee in the water it will swim up your pee stream into your bladder!:eek:

[Ilse W.]

If you want to get rid of any parasites already in your body, drink lots of green smoothies!

[ruffsongraw]

have to reply about the raw cacao.....a lot of things are "addictive" (or is that just an expression nowadays?)
big picture for me is that i would rather be "addicted" to 2 tablespoons of raw cacao per day----a legitimate super food--than the myraid of other addictive things out there that are definitely BAD.
i get weary of red flags on EVERYthing we eat to try to be healthy. for every positive thing out there, a negative can be found. you have to pick and choose what to believe and follow your OWN philosphy.

i believe that things in moderation, even if there is some negative info floating out there---if raw, healthy, superfood or a compliment to one's diet....should be fine.

JMO....

jen

[Revvell]

Haha, thanks Revvell :p

I never worried about parasites on a normal diet, I would just eat what I thought was good for me, and also what I knew was NOT good for me :o

Ok, I will stop worrying about parasites, for now anyway..

Now I have began worrying about that I just found out that Raw Chocolate is not healthy at all! :(

Now I can't eat raw chocolate!! :eek: I mean, would you after reading this?:



I've done 3 interviews with Paul and others with others who are REALLY against raw cacao. (Is it, CAN it REALLY be raw?) I use carob. No one knows the difference.

Last year at RSF, I ate quite a bit of raw chocolate ~ by 5 p.m., could barely function. Went home and slept the sleep of the drugs. It's not good for me!

[rkk]

I've done 3 interviews with Paul and others with others who are REALLY against raw cacao. (Is it, CAN it REALLY be raw?) I use carob. No one knows the difference.

Last year at RSF, I ate quite a bit of raw chocolate ~ by 5 p.m., could barely function. Went home and slept the sleep of the drugs. It's not good for me!

Is raw carob available to purchase? I've always seen the toasted variety in the stores.

[Revvell]

Is raw carob available to purchase? I've always seen the toasted variety in the stores.

Yuppers. I got my original at Whole Paycheck. Got my next couple of batches from Matt Monarch at RSF last year.

[Veronica01]

u can order raw carob online, and my local health food store has it too. I use it in banana smoothies to make it taste a little chocolatey... definitely feel better off chocolate.

A few months ago I actually poisoned myself from chocolate. I had 4 lindor dark chocolates one sunday night around 10pm and the next morning i was so ill i couldn't even MOVE, i felt like i had been hungover and on some sort of drugs all combined. I was so ill i called in sick and laid in bed all da, in the dark, barely moving, i was completely naseous and in pain. It was the strangest thing, after that i threw out all the chocolate in my house and told my family about it. I've eaten raw chocolate occaisionally, but it really does make me worry how addicting it is. I know i used to go through cycles craving chocolate every day, now i don't

[rkk]

I will learn more about carob vs cacao, and am interested in shifting over to carob if it is better than cacao. The bug particles in cacao concern me, though I hope they are not also in the carob. Also, since I do not drink any caffeinated beverages, I do not want to consume caffeine through chocolate. I still have a large bottle of cacao powder on my shelf... so I will slowly get through that and will consider not purchasing any more. Does anyone know if carob is full of antioxidants like the cacao?

There must be something about chocolate. In the past, after I shifted over to a vegan diet (after finally getting off cheese), the one thing I still struggled with was those non-vegan dark chocolate truffles. I would love those Lindt balls, even though they were clogged with cooked fat and even a smidge of dairy. Even though it's been awhile since I had those, it would be great to take the fantasy of those out of my mind. Probably the combination of cooked fat, dairy and sugar was so addictive to me.

[Revvell]

I will learn more about carob vs cacao, and am interested in shifting over to carob if it is better than cacao. The bug particles in cacao concern me, though I hope they are not also in the carob. Also, since I do not drink any caffeinated beverages, I do not want to consume caffeine through chocolate. I still have a large bottle of cacao powder on my shelf... so I will slowly get through that and will consider not purchasing any more. Does anyone know if carob is full of antioxidants like the cacao?


Whole, raw, fruits and veggies are filled with antioxidants. How much do we need?

The thing for me is, why would I put something in my mouth/system that's as "wrong" for me or toxic because it contains something someone says we should have more of?

For instance, I should poison myself with alcohol because of antioxidants? I should poison myself with mercury because fish oil contains omega 3's?

Fruit, veggies, greens, seeds and nuts... far as I know contain everything we need yet, so many of us (speaking in general here) listen to the hype of the salesmen that we MUST have goji berriers, mangosteen, maca, cacao, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum. I don't do any of that stuff and so far, I'm doing pretty darn good! Could I do better if I did that stuff? I dunno but as Paul Nison said in our last interview, if something you eat gives you a high, it's hitting your adrenals in an unnatural way. (Paraphrasing) And that's not healthy.

Revvell

[pixie_333]

like veronica01 i put carob in with bananas. i don't like bananas a whole lot but with carob mixed in i def do!! i'll share my pie on here sometime. i looked countless amount of pages for recipes when i first joined and didn't see it here.

[pixie_333]

I dunno but as Paul Nison said in our last interview, if something you eat gives you a high, it's hitting your adrenals in an unnatural way. (Paraphrasing) And that's not healthy.

Revvell

wait a sec... even raw food giving a high it's "bad"? because i'm thinking of a few things i eat raw that immediately uplifts me and like chlorella and flora giving me a high. i can see if it's a spacey high it might be bad. chlorella does this to me sometimes... shoots in waves, but overall i like the experiences, but am wondering....

[rkk]

wait a sec... even raw food giving a high it's "bad"? because i'm thinking of a few things i eat raw that immediately uplifts me and like chlorella and flora giving me a high. i can see if it's a spacey high it might be bad. chlorella does this to me sometimes... shoots in waves, but overall i like the experiences, but am wondering....

Yes, not all raw food is healthy. Many raw fooders, including myself, avoid stimulating things like onions, garlic, chili peppers, wine etc because they are considered negative pranic foods and interfere with meditation. Many people think garlic is good for you for lowering cholesterol etc... but it is a strong antibacterial which isn't good to take on a daily basis. It should only be used as a medicinal when needed. Eggplants are also negative pranic and I have been told by my guru in India that they contain an enzyme which can damage the hypothalamus (the memory center in our brains)... it is the only vegetable which has problems like that.

Here is a great webpage that talks about the effects of these types of foods: http://frugivorelifestyle.com/Effects_of_Stimulants.html

[ruffsongraw]

so what does the Super Food King, David Wolfe (jk) say about raw cacao now being bad?
what about the whole Naked Chocolate thing and all that?
is Mr. Nison saying that all raw cacao has bugs and/or mold no matter what? but even if not, it its still bad for us?
is David Wolfe just wrong or is this new info?
has he responded to this report?

i am a lttle skeptical b/c it seems like if you look for a bad report on anything you can find one. & i am not one to throw out $60 worth of _________(fill in the blank), every time there is a report saying this or that is bad.
(this might mean either i am hopelessly addicted to raw cacao OR i am just on a budget!) : /

i have had NO noticeable effects from raw cacao--frankly good OR bad that i can tell in 4months. it doesnt make me feel high or hyper.

jen

[Revvell]

Well, that's why I do a Rawkin Radio before I do a Let's Talk Raw so people can listen and ask these kinds of questions.

Yeah, people like the high they get from caffeine and alcohol and the calming effect they get from cigarettes.

The "shooting in waves" doesn't sound right to me. *shrugs* If it works for you...


wait a sec... even raw food giving a high it's "bad"? because i'm thinking of a few things i eat raw that immediately uplifts me and like chlorella and flora giving me a high. i can see if it's a spacey high it might be bad. chlorella does this to me sometimes... shoots in waves, but overall i like the experiences, but am wondering....

[pixie_333]

Yes, not all raw food is healthy. Many raw fooders, including myself, avoid stimulating things like onions, garlic, chili peppers, wine etc because they are considered negative pranic foods and interfere with meditation. Many people think garlic is good for you for lowering cholesterol etc... but it is a strong antibacterial which isn't good to take on a daily basis. It should only be used as a medicinal when needed. Eggplants are also negative pranic and I have been told by my guru in India that they contain an enzyme which can damage the hypothalamus (the memory center in our brains)... it is the only vegetable which has problems like that.

Here is a great webpage that talks about the effects of these types of foods: http://frugivorelifestyle.com/Effects_of_Stimulants.html

thanks for the info and the link with info.

alright... so i am not going to take chlorella anymore. i got a healing done last week... my multi dimensional healers i believe are the best available and i've been working with them for many years... a day or two later i took some chlorella and immediatey felt like a totaly different person. i wasn't grounded or anything. i will say this though... i see more things on other dimensions when i'm on this stuff and my eye site immediately gets better. i see clearer and debth perception isn't as bad. i've mentioned all this a number of times on various threads.

[pixie_333]

Well, that's why I do a Rawkin Radio before I do a Let's Talk Raw so people can listen and ask these kinds of questions.

Yeah, people like the high they get from caffeine and alcohol and the calming effect they get from cigarettes.

The "shooting in waves" doesn't sound right to me. *shrugs* If it works for you...

i'd like to listen to your show. i'm going to do that. :)

[Tsurugi_Oni]

To check for parasites I would definately check with a professional, the symptom list is so vague you could think you have the flu, intestinal candida, or a billion other things.

If you have good hygeine and good drinking water your chances of getting parasites are slim in most modern countries. Just don't eat raw squirrel in the hotter seasons (time when parasites are the most active, but still negligible), and avoid drinking from natural water sources. Fish from rivers are less likely to have parasites than those in standing water bodies.

Considering all that, your chances of getting parasites are still slim to none. They gotta catch you in the right life cycle, and usually they're spread through unhygienic habits.

[Tsurugi_Oni]

Today I went fishing and got 4 panfish for dinner tonight. Upon filleting one of em there was a little yellow grub buried in the flesh.

If any of you guys eat ceviche there's a chance there could be a parasite in your fish. The black and yellow grubs are harmless to humans, but are easily killed by cooking. Tapeworms could also be a problem, but are relatively rare in fish, and usually infect the intestines (which are typically discarded).

Just a heads up ^^

[DejaVu]

Got a nasty parasite myself 2 years ago in India from eating undercooked chicken. Lost 15 pounds, and had it for 2 months before i could seek help to get rid of it. I think your chances are way higher of getting a parasite from meat than from raw veggies.

For the bug issue with cocao, you'll also find bugs and bug parts in bread, flower, grains , pasta and rice. Even the packaging and cardboard boxes that these things are packed in contain larvae. If you are in a hot enough climate, such as the tropics, the eggs will hatch. I've had that problem while living on my sailboat in the Carribean. Just microwaved everything for 20 sec to kill the larvae.

[adiebabe]

To check for parasites I would definately check with a professional, the symptom list is so vague you could think you have the flu, intestinal candida, or a billion other things.

They may not have a clue to even look for parasites though!


If you have good hygeine and good drinking water your chances of getting parasites are slim in most modern countries.

...Considering all that, your chances of getting parasites are still slim to none. They gotta catch you in the right life cycle, and usually they're spread through unhygienic habits.

But not impossible... My mother is a nurse and when I brought this topic up during her visit here in March, she told me of the experiences of one of her co-workers. The woman's nine year old daughter started pulling her hair out, first in bits, then in larger and larger clumps and areas. Soon she was scratching at her skin and that progressed until she was scratching 'til bleeding. Her family physician had no clue and she was referred to several doctors, then finally, psychologists since they assumed it was all 'in her head'... Someone finally suggested she be seen by a naturopathic doctor. By the time she got in a received treatment, apparently you could actually see her skin 'crawling' from the parasite infestation she had! Ewwww!!! :eek: Makes my skin crawl... Went out and bought a parasite cleanse too :D

[Tenuho]

for parasites you can take black walnut wormwood and cloves....

and maybe after that....some garlic...eaten raw ofcorse....

the rest you can get in a solution....

[pixie_333]

i went to the doctors to get checked out for parasites after hearing 2 of my friends tell me they had 'em and my syptoms were of theirs.... i told the nurses why i was there at the front desk when i was asked and the doctor was standing by. well that doctor totaly made a scene in front of patients and his nurseing staff basiciay humiliating me...his saying that nobody gets parasites at all unless you drank water in mexico or something... the doctor was loud about it and laughing at me.... he gave me a bottle to take home to bring back a sample.. i never went back again.
i wished i knew more about parasites and how common it is and the fact we all have them.. every single human being has parasites... i wished i would of made him the fool. i've been successful at this with lyme disease, rosacea and other things. i pay money to educate doctors in their office!!!!! imagine that.
and i've heard that what doctors give doesn't work to rid parasites. so i feel.. just take an herbal remedy!!! it can't hurt!! it's herbs! unless you're allergic. see what comes out. you'll lose some beneficial parasites... but i look at it as starting over again... eat healthy and be more careful what you eat and not go barefoot outside so much etc...
and no... i haven't done a parasite cleanse yet. 2 reasons... i was drinking heavily then when i bought the kit and you can't drink for the duriation. #2... i've seen pictures of what they look like... heard many stories what lands in the toliet.. frightning. i'm too scared to do it. i might later. i need a friend to do it with me for moral support.

[Tsurugi_Oni]

I'm not saying that doctors can positively identify parasites, but there's also a slim chance that you can either. Any disease's symptom that you could have also could be symptoms of parasitic infection. The symptoms might not even show up for years either.

One major sign of parasitic infection from my understanding is your cognition. A lot of times parasites either interrupt nutrient uptake or elimination. And it usually displays in unexplained anxiety (even though you cognitively don't worry about things), low moods, unexplained chronic restlessness, or an obvious nutrient deficiency.

If you're really worried about it there are some home remedies. Boiled pumpkinseed tea (sorry, not Raw!) can get rid of a lot of intestinal parasites. There are many homeopathic treatments for worms that are really effective.

[foxmann]

Orite all! Try oil of oregano. If you're going to take it, I'd recommend reading the full articles.

What are the Benefits of Oil of Oregano?



The ancient Greeks were one of the first people to recognize oregano oil for its health benefits and medicinal qualities. It is known to be a potent antiviral, antibacterial, antifungal, and antiparasitic oil that can reduce pain and inflammation and effectively fight off infections.
SRC: http://www.homeremediesweb.com/oil_of_oregano_health_benefits.php

How It Works



Isomeric phenols (primarily carvacrol) in oregano oil in dilutions as low as 1/50,000 destroys Candida albicans, the Aspergillus mold, Staphylococcus, Campylobacter, Klebsiella, E.coli, Giardia, Pseudomonas, and Proteus. Another phenol constituent, thymol, boosts the immune system. These compounds also act as free radical scavengers (shield against toxins) thus preventing further tissue damage while encouraging healing.

Oil of oregano is antiviral, antibacterial, antifungal, and antiparasitic. It also has strong antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects and is an ideal product to use for people who suffer from CFS and/or fibromyalgia. This is not regular oregano, but a wild form (wild mountain oregano, vulgare species) of the spice, which has, until recently, not been available in Canada. Do not use a substitute or oregano from a grocery store because it will have no effect. oil of oregano natural herbal supplement offers a variety of remedies

...

"Oregano is one of Nature's finest preservatives", states Ingram in another book, "Supermarket Remedies". The author suggests that if oregano is used with foods such as meat, eggs, milk, or salad, you "will greatly halt the growth of microbes and, thus, reduce the risk for food poisoning."

The key element in oregano is the oil, which Foster points out "contains carvacrol and thymol as the primary components". Foster attributes the "fungicidal and worm-expellant properties" of oil of oregano to carvacrol and thymol. "These two phenols may constitute as much as 90% of (the oil)."

However, Ingram adds that these two phenols work "synergistically" and that is the reason oil of oregano packs a double punch in antiseptic power and explains why it is "infinitely more potent than commercial phenol in microbial killing power."

All of this helps make oregano oil a significant factor in treating internal and external fungi including athlete's foot. Skin conditions such a psoriasis and eczema can be improved with the treatment as well. Ingram explains the astonishing discovery that "oil of oregano outright destroys all variety of fungi and yeasts, regardless of where they reside."

In addition to fighting various fungi, oil of oregano is useful against bacteria and parasites. As Ingram asserts, "oil of oregano's antiseptic powers are immense . . . it inhibits the growth of the majority of bacteria, something that prescription antibiotics fail to accomplish." In the case of parasites, oil of oregano has had success neutralizing worms, amoeba, and protozoan.

SRC: http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/oregano.html

[Tsurugi_Oni]

I took an oregano infused nasal spray when I had my bout of 6 month chronic sinus infection. It helped a TON, and I could feel a huge difference between that and traditional saline nasal sprays.