Bragg's

[*RayRay*]

So, I've read about the liquid aminos....possibly containing MSG and how the Bragg's people have been sort of 'shady' in disclosing how it is made and everything, but I was wondering how you all feel about the Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar? It is the only one I have found locally that is 'RAW' and has 'the mother'......but since reading about the liquid aminos 'controversy' I am questioning whether I want to support this company, although I don't see any other brands of raw ACV with 'the mother' in any stores around here.

what do you think?

thanks!

[donnyandcathy]

That is sad!! I didn't even know about the Bragg's issue until today.
I don't know what to use if I can't use it. I can't use the Nama Shoyu or whatever it is because it contains wheat, and I can't do grains.

I use the apple cider vinegar as well.

I will be waiting to hear too.

[lucky lemons]

I like both products and have had improvements with health issues from drinking the Bragg's acv. I have heard about the Bragg's liquid amino's "controversy," something about the soybeans not being organic, but have not looked into it further. I don't use it very often, and Alissa recommends it in her recipes, so I'm not too worried about it.

[rkk]

A lot of soy sauce products has glutamates, which have effects similar to MSG in the body (as MSG is one type of glutamate itself). I am wondering if Braggs' aminos has glutamates in it or not like other soy sauce products. If so, we should definitely avoid Braggs aminos. We'll have to find out more about this though; however I don't know where to find this information.

[pixie_333]

personaly i've always liked spectrum brand the best. it can be found in the health food department at any major grocery store. perhaps health stores too. it's a little bit cheaper also. and yes it's raw. ;)

[sprouts2go]

Faux Nama shoyu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap7eblIjBvA&feature=channel_page

I saw this video on how to make a replacement for this.

[snoops]

The Braggs ACV is fine. Its just the liguid aminos that are controversial. They didn't affect me badly but because of what I've read I switched to tamari/nama shoyu.

[JCB44]

I like the braggs acv, it is all that i use I am still out on the aminos, I don't use it much any way

[Veronica01]

That is sad!! I didn't even know about the Bragg's issue until today.
I don't know what to use if I can't use it. I can't use the Nama Shoyu or whatever it is because it contains wheat, and I can't do grains.

I use the apple cider vinegar as well.

I will be waiting to hear too.

My sister is celiac so i just buy her wheat free tamari if am making something that needs a soy sauce flavour. Just use that instead if u need to. It's not raw but i dont know if itd make a difference between the raw soy sauces

[rkk]

The Braggs ACV is fine. Its just the liguid aminos that are controversial. They didn't affect me badly but because of what I've read I switched to tamari/nama shoyu.

Is tamari supposed to be better than braggs? :confused: Anyone have any more details about this controversy, as I'm clueless?

[Bananna]

I use the wheat free tamari...Bragg's does me in hard.

As for apple cider vinegar, it's just not an issue cuz I hate it.

[TaupeRawMan]

Bananna -

that youtube recipe looks interesting. Have you tried it?

[Veronica01]

Is tamari supposed to be better than braggs? :confused: Anyone have any more details about this controversy, as I'm clueless?

Nama shoyu is raw soy sauce it has wheat in it, tamari is a kind of soy sauce some times made wheat free that is not raw. All regular soy sauces are not raw and have wheat as well.

Braggs is something completely different that claims all there is is soybeans in it, yet it tastes salty and completely different than soy sauce. Here's the article on it i keep posting all over the forum. http://www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/2005/06/bragg_liquid_am.html

basically uses hydrochloric acid in chemical reaction to produce it and it turns out salty after as a byproduct

[kaybee]

nama shoyu is LIVE, but not raw....the soybeans in all soy sauces are cooked. then they are allowed to ferment. most soy sauces (tamari etc) are then pasteurized after fermenting, but nama shoyu isnt, hence it is live, though not actually raw, as the soy was cooked before fermenting. the "good bacteria" in it after fermenting though havent been killed off as they have in pasteurized stuff

i dont use braggs. ive seen the controversy stuff and i think it tastes icky anyway. i use nama shoyu if i can get it--though i dont like that it contains wheat--but you cant actually get it in this country so i use tamari in small amounts, and miso sometimes. miso is like nama shoyu--most of it is live though not raw. (some of the miso im not sure about though. make sure it says unpasteurized, and i think its usuallky sold in referigerator case. the ones we get here in ireland arent in the fridge, so i have some doubt about their liveness, but thats all thats available....south river miso is a good company in the states. )

[Rarebird]

I can't believe so many of Alissa's recipes call for Braggs amino acids. I found out about it's MSG content from TruthInLabeling.org (which I found out about via the movie "A Beautiful Truth"). Bragg's company used to write "no msg" on their label and they were forced to remove this claim. I e-mailed the company to ask whether their product was MSG and they never responded.

I urge everyone reading this to visit TruthInLabeling.org to find out the myriad health problems caused by free-form amino acids (msg). It's pretty scary.
In my opinion, it's much worse to be raw and eat free-form amino acids (especially if you live by the recipes in Alissa's "Living on Live Food") than to be just plain vegan and NOT eat free-form amino acids.

[Veganelle]

Oh no! I had no idea about the Bragg's aminos. I've always got a big bottle in my fridge. I guess I will stick with Nama Shoyu from now on.

I'm also intrigued to try the following which I found on the above link:

Some "Salty" Advice by Art Baker

Forget the Bragg Liquid Aminos and try this: Dehydrate celery and lemon. As the celery dries out it hardens and becomes thin like floss. Place both in a coffee grinder and pulverize into powder. The powder is very salty, with a slight celery flavor, making it a great addition to guacamole, salsa, raw soups, crackers, etc.

[pixie_333]

you might want to make sure Nama Shoyu doesn't have msg. according to that link soy products have msg in it.

[pixie_333]

yep.. according to another forum Nama Shoyu contains natural occuring msg like braggs animo.

Nama Shoyu isn't raw either. seems most people thinks that and i heard the title means raw in japanese. it should be against the law calling it this.

[Veganelle]

yep.. according to another forum Nama Shoyu contains natural occuring msg like braggs animo.

Nama Shoyu isn't raw either. seems most people thinks that and i heard the title means raw in japanese. it should be against the law calling it this.

Yes, I didn't realize until now that the beans are cooked prior to fermentation. What to do, what to do? I likely will keep using it, as really the amounts used are so small anyway... and just monitor how I feel. I have been keeping a food log in order to pinpoint what foods affect me negatively anyway, so this will just be kept in my radar.

[skier2]

Also, raw, wheat free soy substitute can be made by soaking salted sundried tomatoes in water overnight; it has a similar effect as does the soy and/or Braggs but without the questionable contents.

[raweater]

That is sad!! I didn't even know about the Bragg's issue until today.
I don't know what to use if I can't use it. I can't use the Nama Shoyu or whatever it is because it contains wheat, and I can't do grains.

I use the apple cider vinegar as well.

I will be waiting to hear too.

I dont know if this has already been answered but you can find organic wheat free soy sauce in most health food stores, it still contains MSG as it's naturally found in soy but at least it's organic unlike the likely chemically made Braggs Aminos.

I still have organic wheat free soy sauce every now and then but not often.

[Redrocket]

I bought a big bottle of unpasturized Nama Shoyu as recommended by the health food store owner and only used it once, didn't totally agree with me so I will be telling him about the info I learned in this thread and I already knew about Braggs. Don't use the stuff as of 1 month ago since reading about the MSGs in it. I use Braggs ACV sparingly. I use mostly lemon or lime juice instead. Cannot understand why Alissa would use Braggs LA in her recipes, why doesn't someone ask her?:rolleyes: