veins

[juliew]

:mad:
i am so angry because i hear that eating raw will help spider/vericose veins but now that i've been 100% for about a month, they look worse and one is starting to pop out!
please help with advice on getting them to disappear!

[T-Bird]

I'm into month #4 with very little in the way of positive changes. I'm continuing on with hope and more determination.

some say things do get worse before they get better.....don't know if this applies to your situation, but 1 month is not long at all - especially if you are looking at one thing as your criteria.....

Investigate what makes capillaries strong would be my advise - don't know off hand what that would be.

Also - 100% can encompass a wide range of dietary practices, you may have to tweak within the 100% zone to get where you want to be. That's what I'm doing now, making changes and seeing where they take me. I've added in green smoothies 16-24 oz 1-2xday and wheat grass 1-2 oz. Trying to up my wheatgrass to 2xday at 1-2 oz. I just can't get the grass production up to that level yet!

[Veronica01]

I've read that raw does get rid of spiderveins. But think about how your body is working for you, it is still detoxing and depending on how heavy the food is you're eating will take more or less time. Your body has more important things to take care of first, spiderveins are not life threatening and probably not on it's top priority list, like internal organs and digestion and clearing out the liver. Give your body everything it needs and then see where you are down the road. A lot of raw foodists say they even notice significant changes after a year of raw.

[juliew]

I know a month isn't long, but i was 80% for a year. I've been doing about 80+ ounces of green smoothies a day, and making sure to get in spirulina, bee pollen, now some flax seeds and things to hopefully make up for any nutritional deficiencies. I guess that fact that they are WORSE is what has me through the roof!
I will of course stay raw, i just was hoping for a magic ingredient LOL

[rawstrength]

You need to be upside down, or at least have your legs upside down by lying with them up on a wall, to help heal those spider veins. My mom healed hers by using inversions, and I do them as a preventative measure. Best of luck. And I'm sure all those awesome foods and smoothies you're eating will only speed up the process once you start doing the inversions.

[juliew]

how often and for how much time? i do them pretty infrequently.

did your mom's go away completely? that's great that she healed!

[florafauna]

Maybe you can try to add blood/vein strenghtening fresh herbs (or an herbal sun tea) to your daily intake.

Rosemary Gladstar (renowned herbalist) recommends a tea with butcher's broom, hawthorn, rosehips, and white oak bark. She also recommends adding rosehips, bilberries, blueberries, cayenne, elderberries, ginger, ginko, and hawthorn - these all strenghten the vascular system.

I'm not sure if you can get any of these herbs 'raw' - I highly recommend mountain rose herbs - I have trusted them for years. Their herbs are ethically collected either organic or wildcrafted. I did jsut send an email to them asking at what temps their herbs are dried at.....

Take care!

[Veronica01]

but 80% raw for a year is still not optimum for your body to heal and be detoxed right? That's amazing you've been keeping raw, but a lot of people don't notice a total change until they are totally raw for a year or more, and even then there are huge differences between high fat raw and low fat raw. Low fat raw is easier on your digestive system and you would be getting more vitamins and minerals from the produce and therefore detox and repair faster too as you're not spending all your energy digesting and assimilating dense foods.

[juliew]

makes a lot of sense!
ive been binging a lot on nuts, etc because i feel "empty". i decided to order a green powder to mix in smoothies to cover me in case there is something i am deficient in.... i hope to be able to normalize out over time

i wish things could happen over night!!!

on the path to joy,

[T-Bird]

I did jsut send an email to them asking at what temps their herbs are dried at.....

Don't forget to clue us in when you hear!

[Veronica01]

Julie make sure you don't think low fat, means low calorie either! To eat low fat you have to significantly increase your fruit, veggies and greens intake so you are not starving and feel the need to fill up on a lot of nuts. A lot of long term raw foodists I know reccommend 1oz of nuts as a serving, or half an avocado and switching up so you don't eat both in the same day and try not to have more than 1-2 servings every day, even every other day is fine. Eating fruit before your dinner will help fill you up and get in more nutrition before you feel like you "need to" eat higher fats to be full. I'm amazed at how much that has curbed my cravings for satiating foods.

[Colorawdo girl]

My experience with veins is constipation. My vericose veins sunk in when I went raw and still are. Veins take pressure of heavy colon. Colon cleansing great for veins.

[rawstrength]

Hi Julie, my mom put her legs up against the wall for an hour a day, and it took 6 months for the veins to vanish completely. She didn't make any other lifestyle changes.

[juliew]

yay i am totally doing it an hour a day.

i do have (sorry to gross anyone out) chronic constipation, so i totally bet that is causing it!

any ideas on a permanent solution to constipation? i tried everything! even get colonics weekly....

what colon cleanse do you recommend?

i love this forum, its full of info:p

[RawSar]

Nuts and seeds and over eating are what cause constipation for me.
Smaller, lighter meals and CHLORELLA/wheatgrass/spirulina/green juice :) Help keep things moving..

[florafauna]

Don't forget to clue us in when you hear!

here is the response I received (and I believe most then qualify as 'raw'):

Thank you for contacting us at Mountain Rose Herbs.

Most of our herbs were air dried outside in their country of Origin, each herb has a different drying history. Below is a general drying temperature breakdown:

Seeds, roots and barks 75-90 degrees
Flowers 90-120 degrees
Leaves (medicinal herbs) 85-100 degrees
Spices (for flavor) 75-90 degrees
Spices (for color) 100-140 degrees
Algae and Seaweed 20-70 degrees
Berries Ambient (generally 80-100 degrees)

Thank you for your interest.

Warm Regards,

Elvira
Customer Service
PO Box 50220
Eugene, OR 97405
Voice (800) 879-3337 x109
Fax (510) 217-4012
www.mountainroseherbs.com

[Veganforlife]

Give your body time to heal. Also try incorporating garlic and onion and other blood cleaners into your daily meals.

You WILL heal. You need to give it time. Be positive also. Thinking negative thoughts like "...it's been xx amount of time and nothing..." sets your body in negative emotions.

hang in there.

Our bodies are very forgiving...

[T-Bird]

Great news Florafauna!!!

Whoopy!

[juliew]

i know you say i WILL heal...but i started the inversions and now my legs hurt after standing for just 2 hours....i don't get it - why are they getting worse?
sorry to rant, just had to say something...i'm keeping my hopes up:rolleyes:

[circle]

makes a lot of sense!
ive been binging a lot on nuts, etc because i feel "empty". i decided to order a green powder to mix in smoothies to cover me in case there is something i am deficient in.... i hope to be able to normalize out over time

i wish things could happen over night!!!

on the path to joy,


how many years did it take to develop those spider veins?

[juliew]

like 2 years

[happykah]

Julie,
Thanks for posting your struggles. I'm still in phase 1, I guess, with just some raw foods and a couple of green smoothies daily. I still have many changes to make. Varicose and spider veins are what I am really hoping will improve. I know my allergies will decrease and that my energy will increase(I've jumped on and off the bandwagon before!)but those veins! Ugh! I'm 37 and have had 4 dc, my legs look really bad. :eek:
Hearing that yours are worse is a little daunting, but I do know what brought mine on... sugar/white flour, little activity etc. I started getting mine in high school, 20 yrs ago. I know I will have to wait awhile to see changes. Like a pp said, there are probably internal things that need to come first. But I do believe that my veins are on the list! Just not quite as close to the top as I would like!
Cayenne really helps me when my legs are tired from poor circulation. It's my #1 herb! Butcher's Broom and Horse Chestnut are good, too. I'm adding a topical application of ACV to my routine twice daily, as well as a little cypress EO in some Aloe gel after showering.
It's gotta help eventually, right? :)

[juliew]

i certainly hope it works eventually!! im looking into starting to take a horse chestnut supplement or something. i got them lasered and you can still see them! so frustrating!

[happykah]

I know. :( I had mine lasered years ago when I was in my early 20's. Then after my last ds was born I had my varicosities removed. Still have the spiders though.
Rawstrength-are you still here? I'd love some more info on your mom's inversion technique. How bad were hers? When did she start to see improvement? What if I broke up the hour into 20 minutes here 20 minutes there? That sort of thing. I know everyone is different, but it would help me to keep from going nutso checking my legs for progress if I knew ahead of time that X amount of time was the starting point.
Thanks!

[Veganforlife]

like 2 years

Hmmm, two years compared to being Raw for a little over a month? Doesn't seem an equal amount of time.

Your body is healing OTHER things like, oh DIGESTION and other organs that need it. Please give it time.

We humans tend to be so instant with wanting.

Wanting to eliminate weight. Wanting skin to get the glow. Wanting to be mentally clearer.

How about letting your body do ITs thing and don't be so impatient?

I'm not coming down on your, but holy Mama - give it time my friend.

[juliew]

lol ok ill give it time, but i worry that time will just make it worse...
thank you for the advice :)

[Leneveu]

Rawstrength-are you still here? I'd love some more info on your mom's inversion technique. How bad were hers? When did she start to see improvement? What if I broke up the hour into 20 minutes here 20 minutes there? That sort of thing. I know everyone is different, but it would help me to keep from going nutso checking my legs for progress if I knew ahead of time that X amount of time was the starting point.
Thanks!

I second this! I'd love to hear more about the inversion technique!

[RawHeaven]

i certainly hope it works eventually!! im looking into starting to take a horse chestnut supplement or something. i got them lasered and you can still see them! so frustrating!

I ditto veganforlife.

And also send them some love. They are responding to your hatred (of them).

[juliew]

Haha I bet they are totally responding to that! I definitely tried subconciously asking them to be my friend and saying I don't hate them.... hasn't worked but probably because I know its not true!
I started the inversions. I lay on the bed with my feet against the wall. I guess in a few months I'll let you know if I see anything!

[Raw Angel Mom]

Thank you for posting this.

I do have them too and it didn't desapear, but i will follow the leg inversion for one hour. It makes sense to do that. I read that the back flow trap gets dammage and it cannot be reversible but miracles happen and this is interesting to read that some did reverse it. I agree that one month isn't enough to see major change

In the mid time, find a way to heal the constipation, don't cross your leg when sittling and move your leg if you standing up for hours. Doing that, helped me to have more spider vein. But now, i have hope with the exercise that was recommended

Thank you again for starting this thread.

[juliew]

Ok so I have been putting my legs against the wall for an hour a day, and today I about passed out because I looked and they are worse!! Help!! One of them is even popping out that wasnt' before. I'm taking an herbal supp to regulate constipation, but what on earth can be making them worse? I'm gonna add in vit C and MSM powder. after I do a liver flush..we'll see if that helps!

[kewiesterrock]

Veins are one type of blood disease. We can say it blood vessels. It is mostly start to occurred from face and legs. If it become a widely on human body then it can be create so much problem for human body. It can be look red, green, blue or purple.






veins (http://www.veinsguide.com/)

[Arky]

This relates to something known as 'endothelial dysfunction', which tends to be caused by some form of toxic or oxidative damage to the endothelial lining of the veins. An insufficiency of protective flavonoids etc. to protect the inner walls of the veins from such damage can lead to weakening of the veins, possibly with additional inflammation.


One needs to consume plenty of protective and anti-oxidative compounds and those which promote good vascular integrity. There is some overlap amongst these but they include some that have already been mentioned in this thread, such as:

herbs: butchers broom, prickly ash bark, stone root,

nutritional: citrus bioflavonoids, pine bark (AKA 'Pycnogenol'), grapeseed extract, rutin, green tea, red wine, berry fruits, vitamin C (acerola, camu camu, bell peppers, chilli peppers, tomatoes etc.), various carotenoids etc.

regular exercise to stimulate muscular contraction and venous flow

IDENTIFICATION of what may be causing the damage in the first place - e.g. smoking, heavy metals (endothelial dysfunction related to heavy metals would imply an ongoing source of exposure and this might occur due to daily occupational/industrial exposure or due to amalgam dental fillings, for example), some other form of toxin exposure, oral pathology relating to dental or jawbone infections etc.

Insufficient exercise may also be a secondary factor but is generally subordinate to the potential toxin aspect.


One cannot simply consume a raw food diet and expect to be 'magically' cured of whatever ails one. If one has a specific condition, then in order to improve, heal or cure it, one needs to strive to identify what has led to the condition arising in the first place. Only then can one implement anything capable of yielding lasting positive changes. Vascular symptoms are exactly that - ​symptoms of an underlying process occurring within the body - a valuable clue/warning sign. Modern medicine seeks to squash symptoms with drugs, rather than identify underlying causes and address these causes. Please don't make the same mistake with natural substances.


A related thread:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?50756-Hemorrhoids...-help&p=673215&highlight=#post673215

[Raw Angel Mom]

i found out that one of the symptoms of this condition is to have a week parathyroid. Sadly, taking B12 supplement will weaken the parathyroid.

Parathyroid help to utilize the calcium. Maybe ask dr. Morse on his youtube channel, he might be able to help you (Morsend is his youtube)

Hope you find the answer that you need

[MeredithLee]

Do you put apple cider vinegar on them? I'd read to start doing that. I keep forgetting to start that routine though. Mostly because I'm scared of going to work smelling like a salad! I am 31 and have already had one vein stripped. I need the other one done badly and I was hoping raw would help too. Thanks for posting all of these techniques. I'm way too young to have my grandma's legs!