Oprah knows about raw...

[SekhemNefer]

I know that there has been two threads about how Oprah should learn about raw, but she knows it already. I have a dvd from a raw food restaurant and wellness center in Chicago called Karyn's Raw restaurant. Oprah invited her on the show several years ago on one of those "Women who look good after 50" and Karyn Calabrese talked to Oprah about raw foods on her show for about 7 minutes.

Karyn at the time was 53 years old and looks like a black version of this woman...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/groovedaddy21/html/getfresh2.jpg


The DVD showed Oprah interviewing Karyn...

http://karynraw.com/Common/Images/custom/Karyn%20Photos/karyn%20in%20blue.jpg

Here is Karyn with Oprah...

http://karynraw.com/Common/Images/custom/Karyn%20Photos/KARYN%20ON%20OPRAH.jpg


So...Oprah knows all about it. Just don't want to do it.

[Moretta]

Karyn sure looks amazing just like Linda Muller does. Yay Raw..........

[Bananna]

yes, getting the intellectual and the emotional aligned is a whole other step, isn't it?

Oprah even jokes about how she knows what she has to do (raw or not), that she just doesn't want to do it (laughs).

It's ok though...we are all on our own journey :)

[SekhemNefer]

Karyn sure looks amazing just like Linda Muller does. Yay Raw..........

Yes, Karyn is now 61 years old and that is her most recent photo of her.

[SekhemNefer]

yes, getting the intellectual and the emotional aligned is a whole other step, isn't it?

Oprah even jokes about how she knows what she has to do (raw or not), that she just doesn't want to do it (laughs).

It's ok though...we are all on our own journey :)

Oh, Oprah even joked in front of Karen by saying, "Oh, I don't think i want to eat vegetables all the time." and Karyn had to interrupt. "Oh, no, it is a process. You start off slowly. I didn't become Raw overnight." Then Oprah saied, "Good, because that would make me seem like a failure."

It is right on the DVD! LOL

I met Karyn in person in one of her free seminars...that chick has a body of a supermodel and I guess she thought she looked sexy too, because she had on a pullover sweater that had such a wide neck that it bared her shoulders on one side. Like those 80s Flashdance tops.


http://www.liketotally80s.com/images/flashdance2.jpg


There must be a correlation between being raw over the age of 50 and looking like a sexy hussy? :D Something that the SAD older chicks just can't pull off.


I want to be a raw elderly hussy, too! Somebody, please help me keep that goal!

[T-Bird]

I am not a fan of Karyn, I have to say

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

I have never heard of Karyn, but I can see that she looks great. It's like they both have this inner glow, those two raw women.

I wonder why oprah really won't do it. I mean if she genuinely knew it would improve her health, and she definitely has the resources to get on the raw track easy, I mean I am sure she could afford a few vita mix blenders, if u no wot I mean;):eek:

T-Bird - Curious as to why you aren't a fan of Karyn?

[Bananna]

but she really likes her bread, bread pudding and stuff. But can you imagine what a catalyst it would be to humanity's growth if she did?!

[SekhemNefer]

I have never heard of Karyn, but I can see that she looks great. It's like they both have this inner glow, those two raw women.

I wonder why oprah really won't do it. I mean if she genuinely knew it would improve her health, and she definitely has the resources to get on the raw track easy, I mean I am sure she could afford a few vita mix blenders, if u no wot I mean;):eek:

T-Bird - Curious as to why you aren't a fan of Karyn?

Well if you never heard of her, it is reputed that she has the oldest raw food restuarants in the United States, or at least Midwest. She doesn't claim to be the first, but the one who has had the oldest...like 20 to 25 years of serving raw food to the public.

[circle]

i wonder if it would hurt oprahs career to become healthy and beautiful.

a lot of woman like her because they find it very easy to relate to her with little effort at all. she shares morals and beliefs of the typical american woman.

if you are a rich and famous celeb, you really have not excuse to become a fatty. you have all these personal trainers, and food makers, surgeons, and people you can pay to keep you on track with your goals.

[T-Bird]

T-Bird - Curious as to why you aren't a fan of Karyn?

I've met her on a few occasions. She is so into herself, it's obnoxious really.

About 4-5 years ago we had a raw food meetup (meetup.com) - went to her restaurant. It has a cafe and a fine dining side. One of her staff seated us at the fine dining. She had a fit, and complained to us about now she has to wash all the linens, etc. Like we wronged her. Kept lecturing us. Fine - say "i'm so sorry, this side isn't open yet, could we reseat you in the cafe area?" No - kept raggin on us. We're paying customers, we walked in and we're seated by staff....she didn't get that, she was pissed at us.

Also - her restaurant isn't 100% raw or organic. Like she gets those el milagro corn tortilla - I get them 3 packs/12 per pack for a $1 at jewel. Are they raw?!?!?! I won't eat them when I'm doing raw - my son loves them.

Anyway - she seasons and dehydrates them and sells them as raw - $5 for ONE, cut into 4-5 pieces. I saw the delivery guy bringing them in - my jaw dropped. She charges high prices for organic/raw - but I wouldn't bet my health on it. She kind of has this attitude if you're not at her place you'd be at mcdonald's - so whatever she decides to cut corners on is better than what you'd be doing, so she's doing you a favor.

The woman is gorgeous - but lacking in the personality department. And ethics if you ask me.

[ruffsongraw]

oh i agree! and then so much of your time can be devoted to looking good and being healthy...and cooks, maids, etc....and her own personal raw live in chef? hello? and her audience that does or reads or eats everything she suggests? yes, if she went raw it would alter the US at least.
too bad montel doesnt have as huge of a following!

jen

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

I've met her on a few occasions. She is so into herself, it's obnoxious really.

About 4-5 years ago we had a raw food meetup (meetup.com) - went to her restaurant. It has a cafe and a fine dining side. One of her staff seated us at the fine dining. She had a fit, and complained to us about now she has to wash all the linens, etc. Like we wronged her. Kept lecturing us. Fine - say "i'm so sorry, this side isn't open yet, could we reseat you in the cafe area?" No - kept raggin on us. We're paying customers, we walked in and we're seated by staff....she didn't get that, she was pissed at us.

Also - her restaurant isn't 100% raw or organic. Like she gets those el milagro corn tortilla - I get them 3 packs/12 per pack for a $1 at jewel. Are they raw?!?!?! I won't eat them when I'm doing raw - my son loves them.

Anyway - she seasons and dehydrates them and sells them as raw - $5 for ONE, cut into 4-5 pieces. I saw the delivery guy bringing them in - my jaw dropped. She charges high prices for organic/raw - but I wouldn't bet my health on it. She kind of has this attitude if you're not at her place you'd be at mcdonald's - so whatever she decides to cut corners on is better than what you'd be doing, so she's doing you a favor.

The woman is gorgeous - but lacking in the personality department. And ethics if you ask me.

Well what she did there really doesn't make her seem like the person she looks to be.

[SekhemNefer]

but she really likes her bread, bread pudding and stuff. But can you imagine what a catalyst it would be to humanity's growth if she did?!

She likes Soul Food overall, which is that Paula Dean cooking with a ton of butter by Oprah being a Southern gal.

I mean, I can kind of understand it. I grew up on Soul/Southern food and it taste good, but my family since my pre-teens had to modify it to make it more healthy because my grandfather had diabetes brought on by being overweight. So my grandmother, who did most of the cooking in my family...not my mom...she made soul food healthy in a boring way.

Then after seeing older family members have health issues and me gaining 100lbs in the past 10 years, I have slowly gave up certain foods. I didn't even try to learn how to fry chicken, or make the 5 cheese macaroni, no did I bake pies, cakes, etc.

Instead of consuming ton of fats in Soul/Southern food, I thought I was eating healthy if I eating Italian, Chinese, Thai and Mexican instead. What I was doing was switching from fats to tons of carbs laden foods.


Quite frankly, on a cultural level, it is hard for blacks to give up Soul Foods, or to atleast to try and make it healthier, since rich or dirt poor, food was used as emotional therapy during slavery times and up to the civil rights movement. Food was the only thing that made many black households happy. Therefore, giving it up Soul Food is like...ethnic genocide. You eat that peach cobbler and that 5 cheese macaroni, because you mother fed it to you with love. And your grandmother fed it to you with love. And you want to pass on that love to your kids and grandkids.

There is a lot of emotional eating in regards to Soul Food. So Oprah can't part with it. She would rather yo-yo with her weight than be told that she can't ever have fried chicken, cheddar cheese grits, peach cobbler and turkey stuffing ever again.


Even I is looked at for being crazy for not knowing how to make fried chicken, or make it right. It is like "what black woman doesn't know how to fried chicken?! You will never be a good wife fixing all them salads and not give your man some smothered chicken with tons of thick gravy." Since I don't fry chicken, when I do, it is always crispy on the outside but bloody raw on the inside. :eek:

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

Well if you never heard of her, it is reputed that she has the oldest raw food restuarants in the United States, or at least Midwest. She doesn't claim to be the first, but the one who has had the oldest...like 20 to 25 years of serving raw food to the public.

That's interesting, thanks for the information. I would love to go to a raw food restaurant... love... :):)

[Veronica01]

She likes Soul Food overall, which is that Paula Dean cooking with a ton of butter by Oprah being a Southern gal.

I mean, I can kind of understand it. I grew up on Soul/Southern food and it taste good, but my family since my pre-teens had to modify it to make it more healthy because my grandfather had diabetes brought on by being overweight. So my grandmother, who did most of the cooking in my family...not my mom...she made soul food healthy in a boring way.

Then after seeing older family members have health issues and me gaining 100lbs in the past 10 years, I have slowly gave up certain foods. I didn't even try to learn how to fry chicken, or make the 5 cheese macaroni, no did I bake pies, cakes, etc.

Instead of consuming ton of fats in Soul/Southern food, I thought I was eating healthy if I eating Italian, Chinese, Thai and Mexican instead. What I was doing was switching from fats to tons of carbs laden foods.


Quite frankly, on a cultural level, it is hard for blacks to give up Soul Foods, or to atleast to try and make it healthier, since rich or dirt poor, food was used as emotional therapy during slavery times and up to the civil rights movement. Food was the only thing that made many black households happy. Therefore, giving it up Soul Food is like...ethnic genocide. You eat that peach cobbler and that 5 cheese macaroni, because you mother fed it to you with love. And your grandmother fed it to you with love. And you want to pass on that love to your kids and grandkids.

There is a lot of emotional eating in regards to Soul Food. So Oprah can't part with it. She would rather yo-yo with her weight than be told that she can't ever have fried chicken, cheddar cheese grits, peach cobbler and turkey stuffing ever again.


Even I is looked at for being crazy for not knowing how to make fried chicken, or make it right. It is like "what black woman doesn't know how to fried chicken?! You will never be a good wife fixing all them salads and not give your man some smothered chicken with tons of thick gravy." Since I don't fry chicken, when I do, it is always crispy on the outside but bloody raw on the inside. :eek:


I appreciate your insight to this. Growing up in Canada there is no typical southern style cooking. In Alberta is all about the beef and people call Calgary "Cowtown". Known for chuckwagon races and rodeos. I personally don't go to those shows because I never liked seeing animals tied up but it doesn't even phase people. Eating meat, barbecuing beef on a bun, beef ribs etc is what its about especially at stampede time. Last year I was thrilled there was a jugo juice as I could eat something that wasn't all processed. When i went up to order, they handed me one that had been sitting on the counter. They don't even do it on the spot when they're not busy.. I was miffed.

I know how hard it can be for families when it seems they only come together to share big meals. Some of my family is scattered all over alberta, and some is in ontario. So we don't have big meals anymore. If I go for one, I'm sure I will have to prepare a few raw dishes to be able to eat let alone try to get them to try it along with their hot food. :)

[SekhemNefer]

I've met her on a few occasions. She is so into herself, it's obnoxious really.

About 4-5 years ago we had a raw food meetup (meetup.com) - went to her restaurant. It has a cafe and a fine dining side. One of her staff seated us at the fine dining. She had a fit, and complained to us about now she has to wash all the linens, etc. Like we wronged her. Kept lecturing us. Fine - say "i'm so sorry, this side isn't open yet, could we reseat you in the cafe area?" No - kept raggin on us. We're paying customers, we walked in and we're seated by staff....she didn't get that, she was pissed at us.

Also - her restaurant isn't 100% raw or organic. Like she gets those el milagro corn tortilla - I get them 3 packs/12 per pack for a $1 at jewel. Are they raw?!?!?! I won't eat them when I'm doing raw - my son loves them.

Anyway - she seasons and dehydrates them and sells them as raw - $5 for ONE, cut into 4-5 pieces. I saw the delivery guy bringing them in - my jaw dropped. She charges high prices for organic/raw - but I wouldn't bet my health on it. She kind of has this attitude if you're not at her place you'd be at mcdonald's - so whatever she decides to cut corners on is better than what you'd be doing, so she's doing you a favor.

The woman is gorgeous - but lacking in the personality department. And ethics if you ask me.

Odd the few times I have been to Karen's Raw there are more people shopping from the cafe side and the restaurant side is always empty. I was trying to figure out if her business wasn't doing too well, because I went to another raw restaurant called Cousin's and even though it is small, they have peope eating at their tables.

I said to myself that I would treat myself to the restaurant one of these days to see what is the difference in food between cafe and restaurant. I have been to her vegan cooked restaurant and that place was awesome.

But I know that I can't eat at Karen's too often, because she is expensive. A slice of raw pizza is like $15. A raw dessert (cake, cookie, brownie) is like $5. Her flavored dehydrated kelp is like $8.

Yes, i was told by someone that her food is not 100% raw, especially the corn based chips and breads. But I didn't know she bought them from a wholesale snack company. She probably sprinkles rejuvanlac (??) on the non-raw food items.

I always wondered how she made her raw pizza though. The crust is made from something similar to cornbread. I have never tried making it, but can one make cornbread in a dehydrator? The pizza is a deep dish of veggies stuffed in cornbread.

When I met her she as nice, but the older white lady who runs the cafe is sort of "mean" in a pushy salesperson kind of way. I remember that some man bought a foot soaking machine from the cafe and it didn't work, according to him and it was a gift for a friend. So he wanted his money back, or wanted to make an exchange. The lady refused to do any of that and made some excuse that his receipt was irrelevant for a refund or exchange, because she doesn't keep in charge of the financial transactions of the store.

He was like, "what am I suppose to do with something that is broken? I demand to get this exchanged." She claimed that her husband is the accountant to the place, but doesn't work there fulltime so the guy has to come back in a week to MAYBE get an exchange or refund.


And one that same day, I heard some man arguing with this same lady about not getting all of their treatments done at their spa that he was entitled to.

So i was like, I will just eat there but not do their spa nor buy any electrical equipment from their wellness center, becuase it looks like if something breaks or don't work, they don't like losing money by giving you a refund, or make an exchange. That lady who runs the cafe is the type of person that will try as hard as possible to make sure she doesn't give you your money back. I have seen her "fight" in not having to give in to performing good customer service in that regard. She is a very shrewd, intimidating and uncaring business woman. The kind all about making money and trying not to lose any at all cost of being rude.

Otherwise, the food is delicious. Karyn makes great raw ice cream, using coconut milk and fruit. It is $8 a pint, but worth it if you just want a small scoop once in a while.


It never dawned on me, can one make corn tortilla chips raw? I tried making it from fresh corn, mashed up in a food processor and then dehydrated. I got corn flakes instead of chips. So if this is hard to make, I can see now that she is buying baked/fried tortilla chips. However, she claims to be 99% raw...herself, but not mentioning her food that she sells. So maybe her 1% of not being raw is eating tortilla corn chips?

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

Odd the few times I have been to Karen's Raw there are more people shopping from the cafe side and the restaurant side is always empty. I was trying to figure out if her business wasn't doing too well, because I went to another raw restaurant called Cousin's and even though it is small, they have peope eating at their tables.

I said to myself that I would treat myself to the restaurant one of these days to see what is the difference in food between cafe and restaurant. I have been to her vegan cooked restaurant and that place was awesome.

But I know that I can't eat at Karen's too often, because she is expensive. A slice of raw pizza is like $15. A raw dessert (cake, cookie, brownie) is like $5. Her flavored dehydrated kelp is like $8.

Yes, i was told by someone that her food is not 100% raw, especially the corn based chips and breads. But I didn't know she bought them from a wholesale snack company. She probably sprinkles rejuvanlac (??) on the non-raw food items.

I always wondered how she made her raw pizza though. The crust is made from something similar to cornbread. I have never tried making it, but can one make cornbread in a dehydrator? The pizza is a deep dish of veggies stuffed in cornbread.

When I met her she as nice, but the older white lady who runs the cafe is sort of "mean" in a pushy salesperson kind of way. I remember that some man bought a foot soaking machine from the cafe and it didn't work, according to him and it was a gift for a friend. So he wanted his money back, or wanted to make an exchange. The lady refused to do any of that and made some excuse that his receipt was irrelevant for a refund or exchange, because she doesn't keep in charge of the financial transactions of the store.

He was like, "what am I suppose to do with something that is broken? I demand to get this exchanged." She claimed that her husband is the accountant to the place, but doesn't work there fulltime so the guy has to come back in a week to MAYBE get an exchange or refund.


And one that same day, I heard some man arguing with this same lady about not getting all of their treatments done at their spa that he was entitled to.

So i was like, I will just eat there but not do their spa nor buy any electrical equipment from their wellness center, becuase it looks like if something breaks or don't work, they don't like losing money by giving you a refund, or make an exchange. That lady who runs the cafe is the type of person that will try as hard as possible to make sure she doesn't give you your money back. I have seen her "fight" in not having to give in to performing good customer service in that regard. She is a very shrewd, intimidating and uncaring business woman. The kind all about making money and trying not to lose any at all cost of being rude.

Otherwise, the food is delicious. Karyn makes great raw ice cream, using coconut milk and fruit. It is $8 a pint, but worth it if you just want a small scoop once in a while.


It never dawned on me, can one make corn tortilla chips raw? I tried making it from fresh corn, mashed up in a food processor and then dehydrated. I got corn flakes instead of chips. So if this is hard to make, I can see now that she is buying baked/fried tortilla chips. However, she claims to be 99% raw...herself, but not mentioning her food that she sells. So maybe her 1% of not being raw is eating tortilla corn chips?

I wouldn't want to eat somewhere with people/energy like that.

[Bananna]

If I go for one, I'm sure I will have to prepare a few raw dishes to be able to eat let alone try to get them to try it along with their hot food. :)

Me too!!! Luckily for me, my family has a respectable amount of vegetarians already, so they are used to adapting and ecclectic food spreads.

[T-Bird]

That's interesting, thanks for the information. I would love to go to a raw food restaurant... love...

In chicago - we also have cousins iv on irving park road. Higher quality and less $$$ than karyns.

Are you in an area with no raw food restaurant at all? that would be :(

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

In chicago - we also have cousins iv on irving park road. Higher quality and less $$$ than karyns.

Are you in an area with no raw food restaurant at all? that would be :(

Yep, in fact, I don't believe there are any in Ireland:(

[T-Bird]

When I met her she as nice, but the older white lady who runs the cafe is sort of "mean" in a pushy salesperson kind of way.

Yeah - that woman is a piece of work all right!

I stopped going to karyn's totally because it was just down right unpleasant. Karyn usually tries to be gracious, I'll grant her that. After complaining to us for 20 minutes about having to wash a table cloth and some napkins - doesn't work on me.

I guess she isn't really interested in the either the hard core vegan or raw food communities - just her detox crowd who likely don't care if the food is 100% raw or vegan. I personally don't care about the honey debate, but there was an uproar about the use of honey in the dishes and claiming to be 100% vegan without warnings to vegans who consider honey "not vegan". She also wears fur, which alienated some other ethical vegans.

I also found her food very inconsistent. Some dishes were good, some really terrible. Sometimes a particular dish is yummy - sometime, like double salted and ruined - but they sold it anyway. No quality control. Also uses a lot of braggs amino acids which I've come to avoid.

so far cousins is much better IMO. He seems much more into the total philosophy of the greens and such.

[T-Bird]

Yep, in fact, I don't believe there are any in Ireland

There's a business op right there. Raw food and a new career await you!!! maybe fame and fortune!!!!

Good Luck!!!

[Irish_Vegan_Girl]

I would really love that but I wouldn't know where to start.

I think I would make too many excuses not too also, there's the first two right there:p

Even in Dublin there are only a handful of vegetarian restaurants, which serve vegan options, there was this one day spa which opened and they were suppose to have a living food cafe, I rang up to see if they were open because I wanted to take my Mom and they said it was not going to be opening... :( Wonder why??

[Veronica01]

Me too!!! Luckily for me, my family has a respectable amount of vegetarians already, so they are used to adapting and ecclectic food spreads.

My family doesn't know the meaning of vegan let alone do we have any vegetarians in the family. Plus my grandpa is a hardcore game hunter. He'll hunt anything. True hunting mind you, tracking and such, not standing in a perch and pegging off animals for fun like some americans do. My mom and my step grandmother have a problem with dairy now, and they buy those lactaid pills and everyone makes them feel bad if they can't have dessert or icecream... Im like MOM! Stay away from dairy your body has had enough over the years it can't handle it anymore. My little sister just found out she's celiac and doesn't even care

[selina_k]

I find Oprah to be so shouty and overbearing and phoney. I would like her better if she would just be quiet and sit with her issues.

Her extreme attitudes toward nutrition struck me from a very young age as something coming from a very HUNGRYSTARVINGIGNORED place. Not sensible at all. So I never gave her any credibility for anything ever and I think her book choices are mimsy.

Thank you for letting me go.;)

(rocked my casbah in The Color Purple, though. that was very real.)

[D'vorah]

Quite frankly, on a cultural level, it is hard for blacks to give up Soul Foods, or to atleast to try and make it healthier, since rich or dirt poor, food was used as emotional therapy during slavery times and up to the civil rights movement. Food was the only thing that made many black households happy. Therefore, giving it up Soul Food is like...ethnic genocide. You eat that peach cobbler and that 5 cheese macaroni, because you mother fed it to you with love. And your grandmother fed it to you with love. And you want to pass on that love to your kids and grandkids.


It's not a black issue, it's a Southern thing, black or white.

Deborah

[*RayRay*]

if you are a rich and famous celeb, you really have not excuse to become a fatty. you have all these personal trainers, and food makers, surgeons, and people you can pay to keep you on track with your goals.

Rich famous people are still... just people like everyone else! No one is perfect

[circle]

yes, they are people just like everyone else...

however they have a lot of responsibility. they practically control the western world with the decisions and choices they make. especially someone like oprah. =)

that's besides the point, though.

you can say that about regular people. like, they are just people like everyone else... but celebrities... though they are people just like everyone else, like i said they have all these resources to combat being a person just like everyone else. they have an unlimited amount of money to spend to hire a team of people to support them, brush their teeth for them, cheer them on, keep them on track with the best diets, exercise routines, ect.

if i were a celeb like oprah, i'd have a whole posse of people helping me out all the time.

my personal trainer would be at my house dragging me out of bed every morning, then kicking my ass in the gym.

then i'd have like a personal spa in my house where i'd get pedis and have my teeth brushed for me and my hair done and stuff...

and i'd have another person keeping me on track with my goals.

and i'd have another person that would constantly tell me how wonderful i am.

then i'd have another person to prepare me meals.

my assistant would motivate me to do my homeworks, and whatever else i needed to get done that day.

i'd have a team of people pampering me and building up my confidence so i would not get caught by the paparazzi at the beach with my butt cheeks flaccidly hanging out of my swim suit jennifer love status.

that would be really sweet.

on top of that, i'd educate the people who watched my show about world hunger and symbiotic living... but people don't really want to hear about that so i guess there would not be any way i would be in oprah's shoes, you know? it's like what i was saying before. she has such a big fanbase and so many people are into her basically because she says what people want to hear. a lot of women feel like they can relate to her. not even one person in my life does not find me to be mysterious and they can barely relate to me at all let alone a whole nation of women... so i think that also has something to do with it.

if oprah changed, the typical woman would not feel like they would be relating to her... so maybe there is a reason why oprah does not use her vast resources to help her out with her weight/health issues. most women in this nation can relate to those same issues.

[HolyGuacamole]

and i'd have another person that would constantly tell me how wonderful i am.

That made me laugh.
Everyone should have at least one of those, for free. :)




but people don't really want to hear about that so i guess there would not be any way i would be in oprah's shoes, you know?

Oh bummer, you were visualizing like a pro and then you negated it all!

In any case, I think what you are saying has merit.
Millions of people like Oprah because she does not seem some impossibly shiny Hollywood doll who effortlessly slides into the size 0 gowns they'd believe they'd never be able to wear, she's a "real person" who looks kind of like them. They can relate to her. Her very struggle with weight and health is one of the things people love about her. It makes her fallible, it makes her human.
People look at her and think, "If Oprah, with all her money and resources and effort and knowledge - well, if she can't even keep the weight off, then I'm really not doing so bad, am I?"

Continuing to struggle with her weight works for her, it's an integral part of her wildly successful persona. It's worth a whole lot of money to her. I don't think she'll be changing it any time soon.
(Prove me wrong, O. Prove me wrong.)

[juliebove]

That made me laugh.
Everyone should have at least one of those, for free. :)





Oh bummer, you were visualizing like a pro and then you negated it all!

In any case, I think what you are saying has merit.
Millions of people like Oprah because she does not seem some impossibly shiny Hollywood doll who effortlessly slides into the size 0 gowns they'd believe they'd never be able to wear, she's a "real person" who looks kind of like them. They can relate to her. Her very struggle with weight and health is one of the things people love about her. It makes her fallible, it makes her human.
People look at her and think, "If Oprah, with all her money and resources and effort and knowledge - well, if she can't even keep the weight off, then I'm really not doing so bad, am I?"

Continuing to struggle with her weight works for her, it's an integral part of her wildly successful persona. It's worth a whole lot of money to her. I don't think she'll be changing it any time soon.
(Prove me wrong, O. Prove me wrong.)

Agreed! My husband used to call me white Oprah because my weight kept going up and down.

[gs4life]

It never dawned on me, can one make corn tortilla chips raw? I tried making it from fresh corn, mashed up in a food processor and then dehydrated. I got corn flakes instead of chips. So if this is hard to make, I can see now that she is buying baked/fried tortilla chips. However, she claims to be 99% raw...herself, but not mentioning her food that she sells. So maybe her 1% of not being raw is eating tortilla corn chips?

you can make corn chips using 10 parts fresh corn to 1 part flax.

[mattshor]

I stopped going to Karyn's when a classmate told me that Karyn was misrepresenting improvements that she claimed had come from being raw but were actually the result of cosmetic surgeries. This friend's mother was an old friend of Karyn's and Karyn had been her nanny when she was a kid. I met Karyn and happened to ask her if she remembered my friend. She gave me a weird look and then said "never heard of her". I trust my friend.

The chicago diner, on Roscoe and Halsted (in Boys Town) is totally vegan, and at least 1.5 years ago always had a raw entree and raw appetizer. Way more affordable, super delicious and an amazing vibe there. I used to live 1 block away--one of my favorite restaurants in Chicago.

[Veronica01]

jealous! Never been to a raw food restaurant. They don't have any in our province! I'd have to go to Vancouver or Toronto.

[T-Bird]

I stopped going to Karyn's when a classmate told me that Karyn was misrepresenting improvements that she claimed had come from being raw but were actually the result of cosmetic surgeries. This friend's mother was an old friend of Karyn's and Karyn had been her nanny when she was a kid. I met Karyn and happened to ask her if she remembered my friend. She gave me a weird look and then said "never heard of her". I trust my friend.



Whoa!!!!

Unfortunately - I believe you. The woman is phony on many levels. I really admired her a lot for her single business woman/entrepreneur pulling herself up by her bootstraps story, etc.

Then I found out she had a sugar daddy bankrolling her restaurant.......

Like many celebs or celeb wannabes, they buy into the manufactured "mystique" and lose who they are as a person.

Matt - are you in the chicago area?

[mattshor]

I was for 5 years, but am now living in the Boston area.

[rawbabymama]

Quite frankly, on a cultural level, it is hard for blacks to give up Soul Foods, or to to try and make it healthier, since rich or dirt poor, food was used as emotional therapy during slavery times and up to the civil rights movement. Food was the only thing that made many black households happy. Therefore, giving it up Soul Food is like...ethnic genocide. You eat that peach cobbler and that 5 cheese macaroni, because you mother fed it to you with love. And your grandmother fed it to you with love. And you want to pass on that love to your kids and grandkids.



Your reply was very insightful. Cultural foods are tough to give up. Many "American" foods are junk foods, not the kind of foods passed down from generation to generation; though Americans do have traditions, many people in recent generations did not have a lot of home cooking, which is more difficult to let go. For example, I'm Cuban-American, and I grew up eating my mother's delicious black beans and rice, fried plantains, empanadas, etc. It was much easier to give up junk food, switch white rice to brown, etc than say no to my mom's cooking (which was a large part of me going back to cooked foods, as I moved in w/ my mom after 9/11). My first question upon learning about being a raw foodist was, "But how do you get the flavor in the beans???"...I remember picturing a sad pan of soaking black beans w/herbs in the water. :rolleyes: Fast food, processed foods, all that stuff to me is "not food", but get me around my mom's yummy Cuban food...let's just say I'd better have a big salad to hide my face in.

I'm thankful my son associates my love with stuff like raw banana & strawberry" ice cream" with ground flaxseeds, smoothies, dehydrator treats, etc. Though he eats cooked food, he has been at least 75% raw since he started eating cooked food when he was 2. He doesn't like salad, except plain kale, but I am hoping when he gets older he will have nostalgic memories of Mama w/her big salad bowl.

But I digress... I think people are quick to judge others in regards to their food choices, but it isn't just about what tastes good. I prefer the vibrant taste of raw foods; however, there is more to it than that. This is one reason why eating raw foods with friends/family of like minds is important and helpful - once that oxytocin starts flowing from sharing a meal with loved ones, you form attachments, both to those people and to the foods you are eating. There are many pieces to the puzzle of changing one's lifestyle.

Best Wishes,

Michele

[RawHeaven]

This is all good. I always wondered about this because Karyn's restaurant is well known and is in Chicago. It just goes to show you, the information must truly come from within. We have no power to change anyone but ourselves. But I'm just curious why the photo with the black version comment was necessary? Couldn't you just include the photo of Karyn? I'm not trying to instigate an argument, just asking directly because it's the first thing I noticed in the post and it made me pause and ask the question to myself. That is all.

I agree with Deborah, it's a cultural southern issue with the soul food. My non-african friends from the south are the ones eating the pigsfeet, fried greens and hamhocks, butter and whole milk out here on the west coast. lol. I'm black and was not raised on "soul food". And I have several black friends who will share the same information. I recognize the soul food cuisine was created and introduced by african slaves cooking in the big plantation houses. But many people enjoy the food today and usually they're the ones closest to it regionally. I think we're talking about a regional issue when it comes to food. Whatever food you're trying to transcend, has more to do with the environment you were raised in and the foods with which your emotions are deeply aligned. Just my opinion.

There are also many african-americans who have created vegan soul cuisine which has more to do with introducing spices, bringing the flavors of food together in a lively, creative way. Getting away from fats, sodium, white sugars, etc and introducing the palate to the true flavors of raw and vegan foods. It can be easier to transcend now. :)

Be well and thanks for sharing!

[SekhemNefer]

In chicago - we also have cousins iv on irving park road. Higher quality and less $$$ than karyns.

Are you in an area with no raw food restaurant at all? that would be :(

I tried Cousin's, the food is more elaborate and cheaper than Karyn's too, but as soon as I left them I got food poisoning. I would like to try them again, to see if that incident was only a one time thing.

I did feel like I was eating at a 5 star restuarant at Cousin's.

[SekhemNefer]

It's not a black issue, it's a Southern thing, black or white.

Deborah

Well, to me it is a black issue since blacks are far more likely to suffer from illnesses than whites, besides Whites in the North (Mid-West) don't eat Soul or Southern Food while black people do.

Now if i was living in the south, your statements would be true, but I live in the Midwest where whites eat soemthing close to North Eastern regional cuisines (almost Irish-style foods), besides the variety of ethnic foods.

[mattshor]

I tried Cousin's, the food is more elaborate and cheaper than Karyn's too, but as soon as I left them I got food poisoning. I would like to try them again, to see if that incident was only a one time thing.

I did feel like I was eating at a 5 star restuarant at Cousin's.

Have you tried Chicago Diner? Do they still have raw there? They had the most amazing cheezecakes...drool...

[SekhemNefer]

This is all good. I always wondered about this because Karyn's restaurant is well known and is in Chicago. It just goes to show you, the information must truly come from within. We have no power to change anyone but ourselves. But I'm just curious why the photo with the black version comment was necessary? Couldn't you just include the photo of Karyn? I'm not trying to instigate an argument, just asking directly because it's the first thing I noticed in the post and it made me pause and ask the question to myself. That is all.

I agree with Deborah, it's a cultural southern issue with the soul food. My non-african friends from the south are the ones eating the pigsfeet, fried greens and hamhocks, butter and whole milk out here on the west coast. lol. I'm black and was not raised on "soul food". And I have several black friends who will share the same information. I recognize the soul food cuisine was created and introduced by african slaves cooking in the big plantation houses. But many people enjoy the food today and usually they're the ones closest to it regionally. I think we're talking about a regional issue when it comes to food. Whatever food you're trying to transcend, has more to do with the environment you were raised in and the foods with which your emotions are deeply aligned. Just my opinion.

There are also many african-americans who have created vegan soul cuisine which has more to do with introducing spices, bringing the flavors of food together in a lively, creative way. Getting away from fats, sodium, white sugars, etc and introducing the palate to the true flavors of raw and vegan foods. It can be easier to transcend now. :)

Be well and thanks for sharing!

Well, it was necessary, because at the time I didn't make the effort to include a photo of her, if you look at the post, you can see that it has been edited. Because 10 minutes later I made an effort to look up her site in order to add in the photos.

But anyways, what is so wrong with saying "the black version of"? I am black, I just don't get the complaint. I said black version of because Karyn reminded me of the white woman in regards of looking cute and youthful in their older age. So yes, it was necessary as a description.


And there are a few black vegan cooked restuarants in Chicago, they are not supported as much as the non-vegan ones. Blacks are not that interested in trying to create healthy alternatives in Soul Food cooking. Besides Karyn's Cooked vegan restaurant there is another one on the south side of Chicago like 75th and King drive (??) it is a restaurant owned by Black Israelites...an Afro-centric black "jewish" religious group similar to the Nation of Islam. The Black Israelites are vegan. Quite frankly, they only attract a few Afro-centric blacks (rastafarians and anything similar) or health concious blacks, but quite frankly, they get a large number of clients of white people who travel all the way from the North side (about 15 to 25 miles) just to eat cooked Vegan Soul and Carribean foods.

Afro-Americans are the most obese and least physically fit of all ethnic groups in the United States. Very few are willing to make changes in their diet for fear of not eating the tasty foods and being a social outcast for not eating the same foods that everyone around them are consuming.

For example, my mom's friend was dying of cancer in a very painful way. She could have prolonged her life and gotten healthier by her diet. All she did was eat sugary cereals, and eat nothing but fatty fried foods for lunch and dinner. If you are from the Chicago area she would eat from Harold's Fried Chicken about 5 days a week.

One time she was so sick my mom and I went over to her house to fix her dinner in order to try and cheer her up. I brought a huge big salad, plus other cooked, but healthy foods. He rother family members were there. I gave everyone a huge plate of salad. Her nephew who was 12 years old at the time came up to me and said, "Wow, that salad was good. I have never eaten salad before!"

At the time, I ate a whole of of SAD food, but I would try and eat something healthy, especially salads. And all I could think was how in the hell can a kid never not have had salad ever in his life, but his family goes to Harold's Fried Chicken almost everyday where the only vegetable they get on a daily basis is french fries, fried okra and maybe a half corn on the cob.


My uncle died of neurological issues due to not eating fruits and vegetables. He lived off the friend chicken diet. He even had butt surgery and his doctor told him to stop being stupid and consume some plant life or things will get worst. My mother was a damn stubborn diabetic who didn't want to give up the sweets and high carb foods. She was also on the fried chicken diet. She died of a stroke. The big stroke, one out of 4 or 5 with the doctor telling, begging and encouraging to change her diet and lose the weight.

I mean, I am seeing black people with all these illnesses refusing to make life changes in order to improve their health, because the food just taste too good to give up.

That is why I am here. Maybe I will consume some of this stuff for Thanksgiving, but it isn't worth eating SAD Soul Food everyday. I am trying to learn how to have RAW Soul Food. And everyone black around me think I am crazy and being so OVER THE TOP. My social eating has stopped about 90%, because no wants to make the effort of eating in restaurants that, forget raw, but even healthy cooked options. So I mostly eat at home and eat alone. No wants to try my raw foods, because they claim that it is too "exotic" for them and like my grandmother told me many times, "These folks around here want to eat some black food. They don't want to try that stuff." This is after me bringing raw food to Thanksgiving dinner.


For some reason, blacks in America think that it is only acceptable for white people to diet, or to eat healthy. Or to be concerned with fitness. And it is no wonder that health food stores, Trader Joes and Whole Foods are only in mostly white neighborhoods. But every fast food joint like McDonalds, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Harold's, JJ Fish, Burger King, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut are in the black neighborhoods. Twice to three times more than they exist in white neighborhoods.


Oh, I definately think this is a black issue. An issue that many people just don't want to address.

[SekhemNefer]

Yeah - that woman is a piece of work all right!

I stopped going to karyn's totally because it was just down right unpleasant. Karyn usually tries to be gracious, I'll grant her that. After complaining to us for 20 minutes about having to wash a table cloth and some napkins - doesn't work on me.

I guess she isn't really interested in the either the hard core vegan or raw food communities - just her detox crowd who likely don't care if the food is 100% raw or vegan. I personally don't care about the honey debate, but there was an uproar about the use of honey in the dishes and claiming to be 100% vegan without warnings to vegans who consider honey "not vegan". She also wears fur, which alienated some other ethical vegans.

I also found her food very inconsistent. Some dishes were good, some really terrible. Sometimes a particular dish is yummy - sometime, like double salted and ruined - but they sold it anyway. No quality control. Also uses a lot of braggs amino acids which I've come to avoid.

so far cousins is much better IMO. He seems much more into the total philosophy of the greens and such.

People need to understand that just because you want a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle, it can be more about health than animal rights. That is how I am.

Karyn's story is that she became raw because all of her family members (mother and sisters) were dying in their 40s when she was in her early to mid-30s. She went from meat, vegetarian, vegan to raw vegan from 30 something to her 40s for health issues.

In one of her seminars she went to she addressed not wanting to die so young as a black health issue. And how she is living proof that she didn't have good genes since all of her parents and siblings died in their 40s, while she is still living in her 60s.

Besides, she was a model before being raw and claims to still model now. I am sure she got some treatment. Especially, lots of spa treatments with also buying lots of good skincare products. I can't attest to her getting cosmetic surgery, but still. There are non-raw vegan chicks with cosmetic surgery around the same age as she...they ain't looking as good!

So being raw is still the main factor of looking very well preserved compared to...Joan Rivers? And Joan Rivers is cosmetic surgery with a slather of makeup on her face. Karyn looks like she wears very little makeup, or natural makeup.


I have never gotten from her that she was into PETA versions of veganism. She seems to take Raw as being the best choice to improve health without suffering from illnesses of the poorly and chemical fed body. Her focus is solely on health, not debating if you should or shouldn't wear leather and a fur coat.


I think the vegan community needs to open up and realize that the choice for being vegan can have nothing to do with animal rights activism or trying to be eco-friendly.

You have a "large" group of desperate people with health issues just trying to get their body's back to homeostasis and get off of toxic medications that only cover up the symptoms in order to survive...telling them that they are not pure vegans, because they like to buy leather shoes and suede gloves is the last darn thing on their minds when they are physically dying.

There ARE two different types of vegans: 1. Animal Rights Vegans and 2. Optimal Health Vegans. The vegan/vegetarian community needs to accept that fact.

Also, Karyn never really claimed to be 100% RAW VEGAN. I got from her that she refused to use meat, eggs and dairy, because they cause health issues for some people. And she is no dummy in not trying to serve the public those items in raw where folks can sue if they get sick like they can with a raw sushi bar. However, she has never stated anything ill about using raw, unprocessed honey.

Yeah, maybe the Animal Rights Vegan don't appreciate her use of honey once upon of time, but she wasn't catering to them. She is catering to people trying to make healthy lifestyle choices from eating SAD...not for people who have PETA memberships.

[D'vorah]

Afro-Americans are the most obese and least physically fit of all ethnic groups in the United States. . . .

. . . .Oh, I definately think this is a black issue. An issue that many people just don't want to address.

Really. Been to Hawai'i lately? Or ever? And, for my Hawaiian friends, that's not a racial slam or slur, I love Hawai'i, Hawaiian people, Hawaiian culture and Hawaiian music. But it was in Hawai'i that I first ran across, and I kid you not, spam sushi. Hawai'i is the only place I go where I don't feel embarrassed by the weight I have never successfully dropped.

Been to border towns Texas?

While as an ethic group blacks *may* display greater obesity as a racial group than do American whites as a whole (I can't validate that claim as I don't have statistics in front of me at the moment), SOUTHERN whites most certainly do share that issue. I've known extremely obese whites, I have known extremely fit blacks.

This is most certainly NOT a black issue, which isn't the same as saying there are people in ALL races who either haven't gotten the nutritional education needed or haven't been successful at breaking out of the cultural or familial imposed addictions that have led to obesity.

Deborah

[Veronica01]

There's a alot of texan mexicans and mexicans in general that do have weight problems as well. A lot of southern states eat mexican too and gain weight just because of the sheer amount of dairy and carbs.

[circle]

exotic healthy people are hot.

check out this melon:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2Ti3rWAuUW4/SQPGTFsyfuI/AAAAAAAABhw/3SyiVCYGiJ4/s400/Brainzzz.jpg

i agree though. less health food stops in ethnic neighborhoods.

might also have to do with society, media, population control, non fluid class systems, socio economics, ect ect. might have to do with everything put together.

but omg soul food, really? it just looks ridiculously rank and not palatable at all. how can someone have one soul food meal and not be constipated for the rest of the month? let alone eat that stuff every single day... :confused:

i've never had it, so i wouldn't know the appeal. i just look at it and feel like if i ate something like that i would sink to the bottom of the ocean and never want to move. i don't even know what most of it is or where it comes from. it all looks very foreign to me...

http://www.browniepointsblog.com/wordpress/wp-images/2005/07/papas_big.jpg
mmmm... yumm........ i can't wait to have that stuff stuck in my colon for the whole week... imagine pooping that thing out.. whatever it is...

http://einside.kent.edu/files/Feb162009/SoulFood.jpg
oooh, yea... can't wait to have that brown mushie and eggy starch noodles, and fried ball thingies congeal to the insides of my intestines and arteries. yum ee.

http://www.cookingforengineers.com/pics/hp15/09-1713a.jpg
looks like some high quality grindage right there. brown chunks of unidentifiable meat things with potatoes and brown oil stew sauce in tin pan. making me wet just thinking about it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_r99i4s3HEjk/SGahKBxfpUI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/1dkZ7Gk-C1w/s320/gross%2Bfood.jpg
o_o
honestly who is going to eat that? ::shudder::

sometimes i find it really difficult to relate to others. and they think WE are the weird ones. at least our food looks like food. . . . . .

for reals.

[circle]

it's not just soul food though...

it's all kinds of other cultures, too... sometimes when i travel to a new place i just can't help but laugh and be confused about some of the strange things people find as delicacies in their world...

my nanny is mexican, and i have seen her family eat some strange stuff that i don't even know what it is.

my family is costa rican and they insist on putting salt and sugar and MOUNDS of it on everything... ::barf::

like if you don't like the way something tastes so much that you have to put so many intense seasonings on it so that it doesn't even taste like what it is anymore, then why even eat it in the first place?

and then complain that you are constipated and you don't know why?

[D'vorah]

Well, in spite of your reponses to the pics, you're making this Southern white girl hungry, ROFL!!!

My mom used to make fried okra. I LOVED that stuff. Corn bread, dripping with butter and honey. . . . .hush puppies. . . . pound cake that really DID use a pound of butter, a pound of sugar, etc, etc. . . .

But my 85 YO dad to this day tells me I'm not a "good" Southern girl, because I refuse to choke down collards. :p

Not long ago I was at his house and watched him drop two 2-inch cubes of pig fat into his pan of green beans. And the man has absolutely no idea why he had to have twelve inches of artery removed from his leg or why he's going blind due to macular degeneration (also a vascular disorder).

Deborah


exotic healthy people are hot.

i agree though. less health food stops in ethnic neighborhoods.

might also have to do with society, media, population control, non fluid class systems, socio economics, ect ect. might have to do with everything put together.

but omg soul food, really? it just looks ridiculously rank and not palatable at all. how can someone have one soul food meal and not be constipated for the rest of the month? let alone eat that stuff every single day... :confused:

i've never had it, so i wouldn't know the appeal. i just look at it and feel like if i ate something like that i would sink to the bottom of the ocean and never want to move. i don't even know what most of it is or where it comes from. it all looks very foreign to me...

mmmm... yumm........ i can't wait to have that stuff stuck in my colon for the whole week... imagine pooping that thing out.. whatever it is...

oooh, yea... can't wait to have that brown mushie and eggy starch noodles, and fried ball thingies congeal to the insides of my intestines and arteries. yum ee.

looks like some high quality grindage right there. brown chunks of unidentifiable meat things with potatoes and brown oil stew sauce in tin pan. making me wet just thinking about it.

o_o
honestly who is going to eat that? ::shudder::

sometimes i find it really difficult to relate to others. and they think WE are the weird ones. at least our food looks like food. . . . . .

for reals.

[circle]

omg i nearly hyperventilated when i read about the two inch cubes of PIG FAT!!!!!!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!:confused: :eek:

where do people come up with these ideas?!?

http://i.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/4835460/raw-food-main_Full.jpg

[*RayRay*]

however they have a lot of responsibility. they practically control the western world with the decisions and choices they make. especially someone like oprah. =)


We all have a responsibility to ourselves....one cannot blame one's poor decisions on oprah!

by the way I love that cool picture of the melon!!



Not long ago I was at his house and watched him drop two 2-inch cubes of pig fat into his pan of green beans. uh...gross...! Sadly this reminds me of one of my staple meals growing up on welfare (eating what we got from the food bank!)....canned pork-n-beans!! I can safely say that is one food i will never eat again!!

[natieya]

She likes Soul Food overall, which is that Paula Dean cooking with a ton of butter by Oprah being a Southern gal.

I mean, I can kind of understand it. I grew up on Soul/Southern food and it taste good, but my family since my pre-teens had to modify it to make it more healthy because my grandfather had diabetes brought on by being overweight. So my grandmother, who did most of the cooking in my family...not my mom...she made soul food healthy in a boring way.

Then after seeing older family members have health issues and me gaining 100lbs in the past 10 years, I have slowly gave up certain foods. I didn't even try to learn how to fry chicken, or make the 5 cheese macaroni, no did I bake pies, cakes, etc.

Instead of consuming ton of fats in Soul/Southern food, I thought I was eating healthy if I eating Italian, Chinese, Thai and Mexican instead. What I was doing was switching from fats to tons of carbs laden foods.


Quite frankly, on a cultural level, it is hard for blacks to give up Soul Foods, or to atleast to try and make it healthier, since rich or dirt poor, food was used as emotional therapy during slavery times and up to the civil rights movement. Food was the only thing that made many black households happy. Therefore, giving it up Soul Food is like...ethnic genocide. You eat that peach cobbler and that 5 cheese macaroni, because you mother fed it to you with love. And your grandmother fed it to you with love. And you want to pass on that love to your kids and grandkids.

There is a lot of emotional eating in regards to Soul Food. So Oprah can't part with it. She would rather yo-yo with her weight than be told that she can't ever have fried chicken, cheddar cheese grits, peach cobbler and turkey stuffing ever again.


Even I is looked at for being crazy for not knowing how to make fried chicken, or make it right. It is like "what black woman doesn't know how to fried chicken?! You will never be a good wife fixing all them salads and not give your man some smothered chicken with tons of thick gravy." Since I don't fry chicken, when I do, it is always crispy on the outside but bloody raw on the inside. :eek:


Well said! I so can relate. I lived with my grandmother for 5 years and I intentionally did not learn how to make all her yummy soul food dishes. My children will thank me for not perpetuating the diseases that run rampant in our family due to this type of eating and lack of exercise. :)

[iwuvmydoggy]

i don't really like oprah, so i don't care what she does or doesn't eat. (i know that sounds hateful, but i just really can't stand the lady)

[betty boop]

Her show today was sure fabulous! I have to get a copy of it somewhere and rewatch it. Her and Dr Oz (whom I love) talked about Calorie Restriction and she interviewed Rupert Murdoch and he talked about his diet which is 80% raw. I thought it was the best show she has had in years!!

[iwuvmydoggy]

Her show today was sure fabulous! I have to get a copy of it somewhere and rewatch it. Her and Dr Oz (whom I love) talked about Calorie Restriction and she interviewed Rupert Murdoch and he talked about his diet which is 80% raw. I thought it was the best show she has had in years!!

if you do find a copy, lemme know, because i'd like to see it.

i don't like oprah & haven't watched her in years, but if it's got raw food stuff on it, i wanna see.

[betty boop]

I can't find a download or even a site to watch it but I found bits and pieces. Here is the David Murdoch part (I got the first name wrong before)

http://www.oprah.com/media/20090305b_tows_exercise-eats-video

And here is the calorie restriction part:

http://www.oprah.com/media/20090305b_tows_calorie-restriction-video

Then I also found the part about tissue, bone and organ regeneration facinating! On the show, but not the video clip, they showed a guy who chopped off his finger but they couldn't find it to reattach it, so his brother gave him some stuff he invented to put on it. He put it on himself, every day and the finger and nail grew back. He said the nail grows faster than the others because it's only 3 years old and his other nails are 75 years old.
see here:

http://www.oprah.com/media/20090305b_tows_tissue-regenerate-video

[iluvmangos]

That melon brain is gross, but still makes me laugh. I don't think I could eat that. That sandwich is even freakier, though. :eek:

And that green stuff on that plate just looks...ugh.

[beppa66]

I saw on youtube that Oprah went vegan in 08 for 21 days... hey it's a start.
Honestly I think she might be a little gun shy after the way the cattlemen's association attacked her when she wanted to go meatless a few years ago. They sued her. :confused:

Watch here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1U9U_d7UEA)


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[iluvmangos]

I saw on youtube that Oprah is going vegan for 21 days...it's a start.
Honestly I think she might be a little gun shy after the way the cattlemen's association attacked her when she wanted to go meatless a few years ago. They sued her. :confused:

Watch here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1U9U_d7UEA)


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That's probably an old video unless she's doing it again. She already did that a long time ago. There was a thread on it here awhile back.