salt

[sport]

I do not normally add any salt to my food -ever-. I was probably getting a little salt from eating some processed food even though I bought salt free where possible. I notice that some of the receipes that are posted here include salt. I have attempted to google "do you need salt in your diet" but everything is so concerned with reducing salt that they have not even considered the implications of none. Is anyone else totally salt free and are there any long term side effects. My blood pressure is already very low but I will find it strange to sprinkle it in my food after so many years of not even knowing where to find it in the kitchen.

[tracyinfo]

I have heard some people state that salt is poison. Then others state that we need small amounts of salt in our diet.

I do know that high amounts of salt does contribute to high blood pressure. If you are not used to salting much of your food anyway, I would suggest keeping it at that minimum.

Some people add celery for saltiness to their dishes. Others prefer seaweeds for the saltiness and the minerals that accompany the salt.

Blessings.

[pizda]

I do not have salt in my diet and in my home for many years. I believe that 2 gram of sodium I am getting from food I am eating.
Paul Bragg called salt a "white death."
Human have strated using salt for the food preservation.
IMHO we do not salt to obtain sodium. That is another taste buds habit that can be overcome with time. Just as sugar it is addiction.

[RawTruth]

What perfect timing that I had just found this for my cousin to explain the benefits of using Celtic sea salt!! It's regular salt and sea salt that are so horrible - if for no other reason than the aluminum added to it in processing -- Alzheimer's is linked to aluminum. :eek:

This is from: http://www.leaflady.org/salt.htm

The Importance of Salt

Celtic Sea Salt

Salt is paradoxical. The Bible lists nearly 50 references to salt - many of them, positive references, such as the requirement of adding salt to a grain offering (Leviticus 2:13). Yet in our contemporary culture, salt is generally regarded as a health-robbing food additive linked to cardiovascular and other diseases. Historically salt has often been a medium of exchange, due to the high esteem in which it was held. Yet I personally have regarded salt as a "junk food" to be avoided since writing my first book in 1976. Animals, no matter how much mineral content they may derive from the vegetable matter they graze on, instinctively seek out natural salt licks to complete their diet . . . Or they die. So, we're confronted with the simple question: Is salt good or bad?

The answer is "both." - it depends on what kind of salt we're talking about. Just as there are different kinds of sugars (good and bad) and different kinds of flours (good and bad), there are both good and bad kinds of salt. Although it should have been obvious, I missed an important health truth for 25 years by failing to apply one of my own definitions to salt.

JUNK FOOD DEFINITION

In my booklet, The Junk Food Withdrawal Manual, I describe "junk food" as dead (as opposed to being living), refined (as opposed to being whole, and adulterated (as opposed to being pure). By this definition there is both a natural food salt and a junk food salt. From a health and nutrition point-of-view we have an "evil trinity" of three "whites" - white sugar, white flour, and white salt - all of which fit the junk food definition of dead, refined, and adulterated.

SALT REFINING PROCESS

According to the Diamond Crystal Salt Company table salt goes through an eight step refining process:

1. Brine enters a series of heaters which elevate the temperature to 290 degrees under high pressure.
2. Heat supercharged brine goes into a "graveler" filled with cobblestones to remove impurities.
3. Pressure is lowered via a series of "flashers," cooling the brine to 226 degrees, allowing crystallization to begin.
4. Salt crystals form in a large evaporator pan with the wet salt being automatically raked into a large well.
5. This wet salt then goes into a centrifugal separator removing remaining brine.
6. The salt then goes into a rotary dryer, making the salt perfectly dry.
7. Magnetic screens are then used to separate the salt into different sizes.
8. After screening, different sizes of salt are stored in their respective bins.

High heat processing kills the salt; removing 82 of the 84 minerals found in sea water refines the salt, and the addition of harmful additives to prevent moisture absorption and caking adulterates the salt. Regarding this last step in the making of a "junk food," the most commonly used additives are alumino-silicate of sodium or yellow prussiate of soda. Aluminum compounds are highly toxic, having been associated with Alzheimer's Disease and other conditions. Corn sugar (dextrose) has also been a typical additive to salt to keep it free-flowing - kind of a "double whammy" - adding sugar to your salt - just what you need!

MOTIVATION FOR SALT REFINING

It's not too hard to see that the processing of salt renders it a "junk food." To understand the motivation, however, one need only follow the money. The primary use of salt is not as a food additive, but for industrial purposes. Only 7% of salt manufactured goes for food; the other 93% goes to industry. Industry requires chemically pure sodium chloride for manufacture of explosives, chlorine gas, soda, fertilizers and plastics. Since refined table salt is formulated specifically for industrial and chemical usage, scant concern is given to its toxic effect on human biology.

Of course the trace minerals originally in salt are quite valuable. Manufacturers can sell off the other 82 elements found in sea water, leaving only sodium and chloride, and make a lot of extra money. The resulting refined table salt still tastes salty, though like white sugar or white flour it is missing most of its original nutrients.

SO-CALLED "SEA SALT"

Many people think they've solved the salt problem by buying "sea salt" at their health food store. For all practical purposes, "sea salt" is essentially the same as regular table salt - it is a refined salt. All the term "sea salt" really means is that the salt was derived from sea water. In almost all cases, it is totally refined! Furthermore sea salt is:

1. Mechanically harvested from dirt or concrete containments with bulldozers and piped through metallic pipes.
2. Exposed to very high heat which cracks its crystalline structure.
3. Refined of virtually all its essential minerals.
4. Adulterated by chemical additives used to make it flow freely, bleached to a white color, and iodized to unnaturally high levels.

"Sea Salt" sold in health food stores generally comes from the same salt refineries as the regular supermarket table salt. It is 98%+ sodium chloride. The term "Sea Salt" is a deceptive misnomer. However, there is a natural, healthful sea salt without these problems.


CELTIC SEA SALT

Celtic (pronounced kel-tic with a hard "c") Sea Salt has been produced by the same hand methods of "salt farming" off the Brittany Coast of France for centuries. It is naturally air and sun dried in clay ponds and gathered by hand with wooden tools such that it has a living enzyme content. It is unrefined so it contains all 84 elements found in sea water. It is unadulterated with no anti-caking additives or bleaching. This is the historic way salt has been produced for thousands of years. This is the kind of salt spoken of so favorably in the Bible.

Unlike table salt, which is 97.5% sodium chloride and up to 2.5% chemical additives, or "sea salt" that is 98% + sodium chloride and up to 2% other minerals, Celtic Sea Salt is only 84% sodium chloride and 16% other minerals. This dramatically changes the effect of the salt in the body.

UNREFINED SALT'S EFFECT ON THE BODY

Our bodies possess three "internal oceans" that closely resemble the content of sea water: blood plasma, lymphatic fluid, and extracellular fluid. Celtic Sea Salt has that same mineral content as the oceans and these bodily fluids.

The salty amniotic fluid produces growth of the human embryo by 3 billion times! Life is dependent upon the presence of sodium, BUT not by itself. The sodium must be balanced out with other minerals like magnesium, calcium, potassium, and various trace minerals. Salt activates the salivary enzyme in the mouth - the very first enzyme in the digestive process. Sodium is required by the parietal cells of the stomach wall to make hydrochloric acid for digestion. From the moment of conception humans are never without a need for salt. But understand that we don't need toxic, refined table salt, but living, unrefined, and unadulterated salt like Celtic Salt.

CELTIC SALT AND HEALING

Celtic Sea Salt can profoundly affect healing of various ailments - simply by balancing out the body's intended mineral levels. Here are some examples:

1. Sinus or Bronchial Congestion - Celtic Salt has an affinity for mucous. It literally draws it out of the body. When you use Celtic Salt, particularly doing the Salt Cleanse below, you will greatly increase the mucous blown out the nose and coughed up.

2. Nourishing the Adrenals - Your adrenal glands run on sodium, but what they need is not the toxic refined sodium chloride table salt, but a whole, unrefined salt. A significant part of immune response comes from adrenal hormone secretions. But if your adrenals are weak and stressed out, they have nothing to give when you feel that cold or flu coming on.

3. Preventing Illness - More heavily salting food at the first signs of sickness can counteract the illness. Celtic Salt stimulates cellular energy and enhances resistance to infections. This may be due in part to Celtic Salt's beneficial effect on the adrenal glands.

4. Better, Longer Sleep - I've discovered from personal experience and that of clients that taking Celtic Salt at bedtime, as when temporarily doing the Salt Cleanse, generally results in longer, uninterrupted, more refreshing sleep.

5. High Blood Pressure - Everyone thinks high blood pressure is aggravated by salt. That's true and false. Refined, toxic table salt is an irritant to the body that can cause high blood pressure. Many people experience a lowering of blood pressure by using Celtic Salt.

6. Fluid Retention - Did you ever in your wildest dreams think someone would tell you that a special type of natural salt would reverse fluid retention? Using Celtic Sea Salt many people lose fluid weight from the proper balancing out of the minerals in salt. Eat refined sodium chloride only salt and you'll get fluid retention as the body tries to neutralize this toxin. Eat Celtic Salt and the body can be properly balanced out on its electrolyte minerals and release that retained water.

7. Trauma - Extra Celtic Salt can be beneficial for shock, severe burns (not externally), hemorrhage, surgery and physical trauma.

8. Other Conditions - This type of natural salt is also reported to help correct excess acidity, relieve allergies, relieve skin diseases, and restore better digestion through stimulating hydrochloric acid secretions.

THE SALT CLEANSE

While undergoing a severe respiratory infection I was encouraged to try a Salt Cleanse with Celtic Sea Salt to stimulate cleansing of mucous from the body. I recommend doing this from a few nights in a row up to perhaps a couple of weeks. It results in a major elimination of mucous both from blowing the nose and expectorating. Your sinus and respiratory passages will feel much clearer.

To do the Salt Cleanse take 1 teaspoon of Celtic Salt in 8 oz of warm distilled water. Drink this at bedtime.

Some observations:

1. This amount of refined, toxic table salt in a glass of water would act as an emetic - you would vomit. With the Celtic Salt it tastes great - like a salty broth - and feels perfectly all right on your stomach.

2. Drinking a glass of this salt water at bedtime won't necessarily cause you to have to get up during the night to urinate. I've found the opposite is true - you'll tend to have uninterrupted sleep.

3. Drinking this won't tend to make you particularly thirsty the way regular refined table salt would. Remember, regular salt is dead, refined, and adulterated . . . and therefore toxic to the body. Celtic Salt is food - it is nourishing to the body.

4. Though not 100% of the time, most of the time I've used the Celtic Salt this way at bedtime I've slept longer and woken up feeling great. The right kind of mineral balance in the body can do amazing things. With it's mineral content largely identical to blood serum and lymphatic fluid, it really is "the salt of life."

5. How long should one do the Salt Cleanse? Maybe only a time or two - maybe for two weeks or more in a row as I have done during a particularly rough respiratory infection. Listen to your body and you'll probably know if it feels right. If the Salt Cleanse doesn't feel as stimulating and refreshing as it did originally, you've probably had enough. If the phlegm coming up and out starts to taste and feel salty, you've had enough of the Salt Cleanse.

Salt has been treasured since the beginning of time for its life-giving properties. Begin experiencing the benefits of natural salt.

courtesy: Monte Wolfe

[Autumn]

Great post and very timely for me too. I too rarely used salt before going raw. When I did my pickles last month (with celtic sea salt) I noticed they tasted very salty to me (even though I followed the directions exactly). I wondered if I could use 1/2 the salt called for and still get the same effect. I think I will try it anyway. It may be fine but the taste is just too much for me.

[Sweet lips]

Thanks Raw Truth for posting that, cause I was on my way with the info.

Autumn, you can reduce the amount of celtic salt as it is saltier than other and requires less.

To all - if you don't use salt typically, then don't - there is sodium in food.

[swiddweas]

:eek: wow, Rawtruth, thanks for posting that. I have been wondering about celtic salt since I have been using it since being raw.


"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore".
God's little instruction Book

[solarliving]

Great post! Anyone know of a good celtic salt supplier? I can't seem to find it in the stores here.

Thanks

[Sweet lips]

http://www.saltworks.us/salt_info/si_gourmet_reference.asp

[pizda]

RT! Good info. Nevertheless, just to be on the safe site I will continue to stay away from salt and salted products as much as I can.
As it was stated above, there is plenty of sodium in foods.
Who knows today celtic salt is "good". Tomorow somebody will right article that is bad. I can live without it.

[misslinda]

Very helpful information RT---greatly appreciated as I have been fighting an upper respiratory infecitons ince march! :) Thanks!


Solarliving, if you are interested, I really like the Celtic Sea Salt byt "The Grain and Salt Society" from Bretagne, France. Here is their website www.celtic-seasalt.com :)

[solarliving]

thanks Miss Linda,

I'll check them out. ANybody know anything about Himalayan salt?

[Mike]

I use the Himalayan salt and I love it. Check out the testimonials from raw gourmet shefs at
http://www.americanbluegreen.com/html/chefs.html

Check out this article on the benefits of raw unrefined sea salt->

http://curezone.com/foods/saltcure.asp

In "Spiritual Nutrition" Cousens writes that Celtic Sea salt and himalayan salt have over 84 angstrom sized minerals that are easily absorbed and assimilated in our body. I do what Cousens and David Wolfe recommends, which is to put a tiny pinch of this salt into a morning glass of water.

You don't need salt. If you don't use it, you need to eat at least 4 sticks of celery every day. You can also eat sea vegetables, tomatoes, or another high-sodium food. A sodium deficiency will make you sick!

[Jackie1995]

I just bought Himalayan salt for my wonderful spouse, who likes his salt, but I showed him the pictures of the crystals on some website for Himalayan salt and he agreed to use it instead of the "dead" 100%, over processed regular table salt. Plus it's pink, and I think it looks great.

Also, try Ebay for great deals on Celtic salt, which I have seen. Even including shipping, the prices on Ebay are about $6 or more of a savings over my local "health food store". That's for the "grey" color Celtic salt. In my local store, 1/2 pound goes for $5.50; on Ebay, 2.2 pounds goes for under $14, including shipping.

I never used to use salt, but for those elusive trace minerals, I'll use some daily now that I have "raw" salt in the house.

Having fun!
Jackie

[Revvell]

You don't need salt. If you don't use it, you need to eat at least 4 sticks of celery every day.

No I don't. I don't remember the last time I ate celery ~ and I don't add salt.


:cool:

[Mike]

No I don't. I don't remember the last time I ate celery ~ and I don't add salt.


:cool:

Hi Revvell,

Which foods do you eat for sodium? Have you checked
to make sure you get enough? How long have you been
eating a no salt & no celery raw vegan diet?

I like to use this site to find foods that
contain the essential nutrients->

http://www.nutritiondata.com/nutrient-search.html

I first go to www.fitday.com and find which
nutrients I'm missing, then I research nutritiondata

[Revvell]

I don't do any of that. I eat a wide variety of foods. There is no time in my life to count calories, fats, protein, or salt intake. Sheesh! Life is too full and rich for all of that! It took years for me to allow myself to really enjoy my food... and that's exactly what I'm doing.

Injoy ~

:cool:

[Mike]

I don't do any of that. I eat a wide variety of foods. There is no time in my life to count calories, fats, protein, or salt intake. Sheesh! Life is too full and rich for all of that! It took years for me to allow myself to really enjoy my food... and that's exactly what I'm doing.

Injoy ~

:cool:

Hi Revvell,

I don't understand your response.

Before raw foods, I didn't know anything about essential nutrients. I didn't eat any foods with omega-3 fats, selenium, sodium, and other essential nutrients. I became sick because of it.

I don't know how you can avoid a sodium deficiency on the raw vegan diet if you're not eating celery, salt, or sea vegetables.

You could probably do it if you ate bok choy, kale, and collard greens every day.

I eat so I get every essential nutrient every day, including 21 amino acids, all essential fats, all 8 essential sugars, and 92 minerals.

[Revvell]

Hi Mike,

I don't understand what you don't understand. Some days I do eat seaweed yet, I've gone months w/out doing so. To me, eating raw, I am receiving more nutrients than I ever have through a wider variety of foods ~ mostly in season. Out of season tropicals might be included on occasion yet, not often. I still don't know anything about "essential nutrients". I am just enjoying my foods as I've said.

Some folk do it differently. They spend lots of time at fitday and other places where they are figuring out if they've gotten enough of this or that. That's a choice for them. From what I understand, fitday is based on SAD folk. How could that possibly relate to what we are currently eating?






I don't understand your response.

[Mike]

Hi Revvell,

There are 50 essential nutrients that our body
cannot make, but must derive from food.

On fitday.com you type in the foods you eat
and it will tell you how much of each nutrient
you are receiving. It is the perfect resource
for the raw foodist and is not based on the
SAD diet.

A deficiency in these nutrients causes disease.

For example, a raw vegan who does not go
outside to receive sunlight will become ill due
to a vitamin D deficiency. This would apply to
those living in northern latitudes who work inside,
especially during the winter.

Two of the essential nutrients are the fats, omega-3
and omega-6. Many people become ill because of a
deficiency of omega-3 fats.

I think what happens is that the immune system
cannot function properly without every essential
nutrient, so a person will "catch" the cold or flu.

I feel there are more than 50 essential nutrients.

(The body works much better when supplied with
92 minerals through food.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quote-
http://www.howweheal.com/minerals.htm
Twelve Point on Minerals
99 percent of American people are deficient in minerals,
and a marked deficiency in any one of the more important
minerals actually results in disease.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Another thing is that the digestive system
runs on potassium and sodium salts. There
must be a good balance between potassium
and sodium for optimal digestion. It becomes
difficult to digest plant fibers if there is not
enough sodium in the system.

In a book by Bernard Jensen, he discussed how he found
that most of his patients were sodium deficient. This is
because processed table salt does not supply adequate sodium.

I recommend the a daily glass of the Hippocrates Green
Juice to all my clients. This juice is 25% celery, 25%
cucumber, and 50% sunflower green sprouts.

The celery juice provides enough sodium to help the
digestive system function properly and it prevents the
bloating feeling people often get after eating raw vegetables.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quote-
http://www.elementalresearchllc.com/sodium.html
"Sodium
by Bernard Jensen
Sodium is essential to human health, organic sodium and
not the scoundrel of health sodium chloride a.k.a. salt. ...

...Sodium is one of the essential minerals that make up
part of the body tissues, fluids and plays an active role
in the bodies regulatory functions, nerve functions and
cellular integrity.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quote-
http://www.howweheal.com/agm.htm
Our body requires, in its adult form, 20 amino acids
in its natural form in order that all bodily metabolic
functions can operate properly....

...If there is one amino acid missing in the diet due
to cooking the food we consume, or due to eating
processed foods, or due to the inability of the body
to digest protein, or eating a protein deficient diet,
then certain hormones cannot be produced and
secreted by the endocrine glands.

It must be stressed that at 110° Fahrenheit
(approximately 43° Centigrade) two of the 8
essential amino acids, tryptophan and lysine,
are destroyed.

It is a necessary dietary requirement that all 8 of
the essential amino acids are present in the human
body, Wherein the remaining 12 amino acids can be
synthesised ,within the human body...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Revvell]

Well, at 56 years of age and in the best shape mentally and emotionally, if not physically I've ever been in, guess I'm doing o.k. w/out fitday, huh? See the picture? That was taken one year ago this month.

:cool:

[Gosia]

you certainly look great!

Like you, I am not into counting (even though I am a mathematician). Did you notice that I corrected my mistake on another post, where I typed "beyond" but I meant "behind"?

I think that the survival of the human race depends more on a common sense than on the ability to count.

Gosia.

[Revvell]

you certainly look great!

Thanks. :)



I think that the survival of the human race depends more on a common sense than on the ability to count.

Gosia.

Nod,nod,nod

:cool:

[rawpriestess]

I think the human race has done pretty good surviving without fitday for how many years? Millions?

Just my thoughts, as I am not into counting calories, grams, nutrients.

I'm sure it provides a valuable service for many people, but I am not one of them.

I follow what my body needs.

When I want raspberries, I eat raspberries, sometimes I eat a pound of them, then I don't want them any more, so I don't eat them.

Then maybe I want peaches, I bought 2 1/2 cases of peaches, still eating them, don't want anything else.

I guess this is called mono eating, I'm not doing it on purpose, it is just all I want to eat right now. I'm not worried that I'm not getting enough of something, I just eat what my body tells me it wants, and I have faith in my body, and in my co-creator, to guide me to the perfect foods for me each and every day.

Although I do want to say, you've done your homework, and you certainly have alot of information, I'm sure it is working great for you.

I personally, don't choose to take the time to figure it all out, and I refuse to eat something on a budget, or guide or allready figured out for me.

And I've lost 40+ pounds, I feel great, I sleep through the night, all of my pain and aches are gone, I look 10 years younger (at least) and I have never felt better with more energy in my life, and that's saying alot, as I have always been massively active.

[Mike]

The thing about essential nutrients is that they
could be the difference between living a short
life and dying at age 75, or living a normal live-
span and dying at age 114.

Why do some people, like Dr. Norman Walker, live
to age 114, while other raw vegetarians like Herbert
Shelton, Paavo Airola, and Arthur Ling, die in their
70's and early 80's?

I encourage you to read the work of vegan nutrition
doctors Michael Greger PhD, and Stephen Walsh PhD.

Dr. Greger found many studies that show vegans and
vegetarians do not live longer than meat eaters.->

http://www.drgreger.org/talks/#nutrition

Optimum Vegetarian Nutrition
Track 2- Disturbing Findings

Dr. Greger found that in many cases, meat eaters
were healthier with less disease than vegetarians.

If the veggie diet is so healthy, why aren't their life-
spans longer than meat eaters?

It's because they don't receive every essential nutrient.

Do you want to be like Paavo and Author Ling, and live
in great health to age 75, or live like Norman Walker and
live in perfect health to age 114? This is a 40 year
difference!!! (Age 114 is our normal lifespan)

It's very easy and simple to eat every essential
nutrient! They are all found in raw vegan foods.

The simple practice of eating every essential nutrient
will ensure a long and healthy life-span.

This has been a subject I've studied for a couple years.
I enjoy reading books about ancient Taoist immortality
practices, and books about common traits found among
people who live to be over 100 years old.

I don't understand why you wouldn't want to eat every
essential nutrient! It's not hard to do, it takes maybe
ten minutes to learn.

[Rawkinlocs]

Mike, please do not shove this concept of doctors and nutritionists and fitday, etc. down people's throats or beat folks over the head with it. If you want to live like that, that's perfectly fine. But not everyone wants to live based on what dr. this and dr. that says and that's fine too.

In your last post, you kept commenting on eating every essential nutrient...how do you know she or anyone else is not?? Revvell said she eats a wide variety of foods so don't you think she is covered? One may supposedly "need" to eat celery or other so-called sodium-rich foods, but does that mean they have to have it every single waking day? She said she eats seaweed (sometimes) but not all the time.

I think Revvell will live a nice, long, full life regardless be-CAUSE she isn't running around stressing and trying to enter numbers into fitday.com. It's not JUST about the food, she is living life to the fullest and enjoying it every step of the way. Being STRESS-FREE is very key along with diet, IMHO, to longevity.

Also, I personally don't even get into the whole "I wanna live until I'm in my hundreds" mentality because while it would be NICE to be around as long as possible, just because one eats all the right things doesn't ensure life-longevity. Eating all the essential nutrients definitely won't stop one fatal accident or being at the wrong place at the wrong time or a natural disaster from wiping any one of us off the face of this planet.

Sorry to bring it like that, but that is just my thought. Poor or less-than-optimal health is NOT the only path to death..so my thing is to live as healthfully as I can while I AM here whether it be until 75 or until 110.

P.S. These doctors (Greger, etc.) are their findings and work based on COOKED vegan/vegetarian diets? Also, many vegetarians eat a LOT of meat analogues, and a very junky diet that while it may not be meat or other animal products, there are a lot of processed foods and starchy foods in a lot of (but not all) vegan/vegetarian diets. Let's not forget that when comparing vegetarians to meat-eaters.

I also love the quote Gosia posted yesterday: "I sometimes wonder how the squirrels and the deer and the cardinals and the dolphins and the polar bears are able to get along without Fitday, the internet, the Food Pyramid, and all the gazillion diet and nutrition books and even this discussion group! LOL."(Julie)

and I'd personally like to add to that quote, "...and with all the soil depletion!"

[Mike]

Hi Rawkinlocs,

All I'm saying is that it is easy and stress free
to eat a diet that includes every essential nutrient.

You don't have to stress out about this because it is easy!

It's just that the folks in this thread seem to be saying
'don't worry about the essential nutrients'.

Nazariah didn't worry about the essential nutrients, and
he lost the ability to walk! Gosia says 'Don't worry about
B-12', well Nazariah didn't worry about it either! (Deficiency
causes irreversable brain damage)->

http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/interview-nazariah.html

A deficiency of zinc will cause hair loss and impotence.
A deficiency of selenium causes infertility and heart disease.

You don't need to "stress out" about eating a healthy diet,
but it is essential that you do a little research about it.



It is not stressful to eat foods containing the
essential nutrients, but it is very stressful when you
don't eat them and then find your teeth are rotting
and your hair is falling out!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quote from "The Raw Secrets" by Frederic Patentaude

"...I made every possible mistake
one can make as a raw-foodist,
and one consequence has been
the tooth problems I have experienced.

Now almost all of the teeth in my
mouth have fillings, except some
of my front teeth!"

- Frederic Patenaude, Page 31

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's fine if you don't want to stress out enough
to eat every essential nutrient, but you run the risk
of ending up like Frederic and having every tooth in
your mouth rot out!!

One of the reasons I wrote my eBook is to teach people
where to find every essential nutrient so they wouldn't
experience common problems such as cavities, hair loss,
bloating, a spacy ungrounded feeling, etc...

I am completely stress free and blissful. My diet is simple
and complete!

I'm on a mission to create a world full of spiritually
enlighted, healthy, happy, and deficiency-free raw vegans!

[Rawkinlocs]

Okay, first, I don't get that people are saying "don't get essential nutrients". As I stated in my post, if Revvell or anyone else is making sure they eat a WIDE VARIETY OF FOODS, then couldn't it be said they are getting the essential nutrients? I mean, you said yourself that we can get them by eating raw vegan foods, right? So...if people are eating a wide variety of biologically appropriate foods for humans, then why would they NOT be getting the essential nutrients.

No, what people are saying is that all of the raw fruits and veggies contain nutrients, some more than others. If one is eating a wide variety and not limiting themselves to only eating oranges, apples, pears and lettuce, then they are getting what they need. If not, their BODIES will surely let them know.

Also, please refrain from cross-posting between here and rawfoodsupport (I am going to edit that out of your post) and you don't need to bring fear-based posts here to "drive your point home" either. We ALL know that thiings do and can occur on a raw foods "diet".

The point is, no one is saying you don't NEED nutrients, we all know that...but if we just eat what we are designed to eat...ahhh skip it...we'll never see eye-to-eye on this issue and that's not a problem! LOL!

Just keep the nutritional-data-brow-beating to a minimum and stop making people feel they NEED fitday or other things similar to count nutrients because we don't, 'kay?

One other thing I wanted to add for the benefit of our readers is that, Fred P. and Nazariah and whomever else...those were THEIR experiences. Not all raw fooders who don't nutrient-count experience that. There are some raw fooders who have been raw vegan for the same amount of time, close to the same amount of time or even much LONGER than the examples Mike gave and those people are thriving and they don't get into making sure they eat 4 celery sticks per day or any other designated amount or variation of foods. Just look at our very own, lovely Alissa! ;)

[sweetgoddess]

If the veggie diet is so healthy, why aren't their life-
spans longer than meat eaters?
~I believe that it is not all about food and nutrients. That is only one small part of a much greater whole.

[misslinda]

I've been using the celtic salt water for a couple of days now and I"m actually starting to have an additional bowel aside from the one I have in the morning (haven't had a second one in months). I'm actually feeling hydrated and alive. My upper stomach is starting to calm down--I feel like it is healing tissue wise. :)

[Gosia]

I'd rather you did not mis-quote me, since you clearly do not understand where I am coming from. No-one likes being misrepresented. I am quite capable of speaking for myself.

As far as B12, I quite clearly represented my views on it in, for example, a post at a " Need to know more about raw?" forum at this board. These views came after a careful consideration of the available literature and from my personal experience of how science operates, since I am a scientist myself.

Like Revvell, Rawkinlocks, and others said, if you eat a variety of raw foods, and use your common sense, you will be fine. You do not have to agree with this, Mike, that's fine. But please stop shovelling your views on us, especially since Alissa also says that we do not need to count calories etc, and this is why we are here. Your understanding of this will be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Gosia.

[Revvell]

First of all, thank you Rawkinlocs for stating what I said as obviously what Mike reads are his "bibles" for how he lives his life. I for one, IF I WISHED to, could find counterpoints to pretty much anything he's posted. Thing is, I'm lazy; don't wish to spend my time that way; find it counterproductive and most of all, not fun.

Let me say one last thing on this subject. I began my search for better health because I could not see myself living to the age of 40 ~ and if I did, I'd be pulling a tank of oxygen behind me. I was dying from asthma. That was back in the early 80's. What I did was ~ a search. I search for someone who could assist me. I found him back in 86. I apprenticed w/ him for 16 years to become who I am today, doing the work I do today.

During that time, I not only healed myself from asthma but from gallstones, a severe toe infection, sciatica and most recently a gum abscess. I have all my teeth and lots of hair. IF I lose my teeth, it's not from lack of nutrients yet from an overbite which forced my gums to detach from my teeth. I was told 4 years ago to get them pulled as soon as possible. Well, I've still got them. Now that I know doing what I'm doing will heal an abscess, I'm going to continue doing what I'm doing to heal my gums and teeth. Is it all from raw foods? No. I also do qigong, appreciation and I live my life fully. I am on an E-ticket ride here.

Do I care how long I live? Not really. As long as I'm living a rich, full, wonder-filled life as I am, I'll die saying "I died living". That's all that one can hope for.

The last 20 years have been quite a ride. My life just keeps getting better and better.

For me, when someone tells me THEIR experiences of what they are doing is wayyyy better testimonial than all the scientific claptrap people can post here. Mike, you have so much knowledge. Where's the knowing?

Revvell