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tiggerbounce
03-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Know when someone says "show me some actual proof, by someone reliable..., etc? These are NOT written by raw foodists, vegans, etc.

Ok. (of course, I do not follow mainstream medical, but for those that do...) It says "original investigation" at the top of the study.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032301626.html?hpid=topnews

and

Archives of Internal Medicine (http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/6/562)


For those of you with slower connections or the link does not work, here it is...(the second link is waaaay to long to copy and paste, you will need to follow the link to that, it appears to be the study itself, or at least not any media outlet, etc.)


Study Finds Eating Red Meat Contributes to Risk of Early Death




By Rob Stein (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/rob+stein/)
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 23, 2009; 4:06 PM

Eating red meat increases the chances of dying prematurely, according to a large federal study that offers powerful new evidence that a diet that regularly includes steaks, burgers and pork chops is hazardous to your health.
The study of more than 500,000 middle-age and elderly Americans found that those who consumed the equivalent of about a small hamburger every day were more than 30 percent more likely to die during the 10 years they were followed, mostly from heart disease and cancer. Sausage, cold cuts and other processed meats also increased the risk.
Previous research had found a link between red meat and an increased risk of heart disease and cancer, particularly colorectal cancer, but the new study is the first large examination of the relationship between eating meat and overall mortality.
"The bottom line is we found an association between red meat and processed meat and an increased risk of mortality," said Rashmi Sinha of the National Cancer Institute, who led the study published today in the Archives of Internal Medicine.
In contrast, routine consumption of fish, chicken, turkey and other poultry decreased the risk of death by a small amount, the study found.
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Although pork often is promoted as "white meat," it is believed to increase the risk for cancer because of its iron content, Sinha said. It is often grouped with red meat in nutritional studies.
"This would be the Rolls Royce of studies on this topic," said Barry M. Popkin, a professor of global nutrition at the University of North Carolina, who wrote an editorial accompanying the study. "This is a slam-dunk to say that, 'Yes, indeed, if people want to be healthy and live longer, consume less red and processed meat.' "
There are many explanations for how red meat might be unhealthy: Cooking red meat generates cancer-causing compounds; red meat is also high in saturated fat, which has been associated with breast and colorectal cancer; and meat is also high in iron, which also is believed to promote cancer. People who eat red meat are more likely to have high blood pressure and cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease. Processed meats contain substances known as nitrosamines, which have been linked to cancer.
Regardless of the mechanism, the research provides new evidence that people should follow long-standing recommendations to minimize red meat consumption, several experts said.
"The take-home message is pretty clear," said Walter Willett, a nutrition expert at the Harvard School of Public Health. "It would be better to shift from red meat to white meat such as chicken and fish, which if anything is associated with lower mortality."
The American Meat Institute, a trade group, dismissed the findings, however, saying they were based on unreliable self-reporting by the study participants.
"Meat products are part of a healthy, balanced diet, and studies show they actually provide a sense of satisfaction and fullness that can help with weight control. Proper body weight contributes to good health overall," James H. Hodges, the group's executive president, said in a written statement.
For the study, researchers analyzed data collected from 545,653 volunteers, ages 50 to 71, participating in the National Institutes of Health-AARP Diet and Health Study. In 1995, the subjects filled out detailed questionnaires about their diets, including their meat consumption. Over the next 10 years, 47,976 men and 23,276 women died.
After accounting for other variables that might confound the findings, such as smoking and physical activity, the researchers found that those who consumed the most red meat -- about a quarter-pound a day -- were more likely to die of any reason, and from heart disease and cancer in particular, than those who consumed the least -- the equivalent to a couple of slices of ham a day.
Women who ate the most red meat were 36 percent more likely to die for any reason, 20 percent more likely to die from cancer and 50 percent more likely to die from heart disease. Men who ate the most meat were 31 percent more likely to die for any reason, 22 percent more likely to die of cancer and 27 percent more likely to die of heart disease.
In contrast, those who consumed the most white meat were about 8 percent less likely to die during the study period, the researchers found. Poultry contains more unsaturated fat, which improves cholesterol levels, and fish contains Omega-3 fatty acids, which are believed to help reduce the risk of heart disease.
The risk was also elevated among those who consumed the most processed meat, which included any kind of sausage, cold cuts or hot dogs. Women who consumed the most processed meat, about an ounce a day, were about 25 percent more likely to die overall, about 11 percent more likely to die of cancer and about 38 percent more likely to die from heart disease. The men who ate the most processed meat were 16 percent more likely to die for any reason, about 12 percent more likely to die of cancer and about 9 percent more likely to die of heart disease.
Experts stressed that the findings do not mean that people need to eliminate red meat from their diet but instead should avoid eating it every day.
"You can be very healthy being a vegetarian, but you can very healthy being a non-vegetarian if you keep your red meat intake low," Willett said. "If you are eating meat twice a day and can cut back to once a day there's a big benefit. If you cut back to two or three times a week there's even more benefit. If you eliminate it entirely, there's a little more benefit, but the big benefit is getting away from every day red meat consumption."
In addition to the health benefits of reducing red meat consumption, a major reduction in meat consumption would probably have a host of other benefits to society: reducing water shortages and pollution, cutting energy consumption, and tamping down greenhouse gas emissions -- all of which are associated with large-scale livestock production.
"There's a big interplay between the global increase in animal food intake and the effects on climate change," Popkin said. "If we cut by a few ounces a day our red meat intake, we would have big impact on emissions and environmental degradation."

Aileen
03-23-2009, 04:58 PM
Thanks for that!! I have several friends who are skeptics, who would do well to read that!

circle
03-23-2009, 10:06 PM
you can pretty much find a study that supports any claim.

who cares what other people think.

spicyfull
03-24-2009, 06:36 AM
Thanks for Sharing.

Sai
03-24-2009, 07:10 AM
I saw these yesterday but decided they seem just to promote eating chicken & fish over beef as a way to promote longer life. It wouldn't satisfy anyone who is asking questions of me. It might just validate their argument.

I have seen only one *positive* study of raw vegans (the Vitamin D one, I'm sure you're all familiar with it). If there are more peer-reviewed, well-controlled journal studies with reasonably large sample sizes, I'd be grateful to have them pointed my way. Anecdotal evidence is nice, but, again, it wouldn't satisfy most queries. My husband and I are doing this now with or without that science behind it, but it would sure be nice to have it. Just yesterday someone at work told my husband he had gone over to the "lunatic fringe side." We aren't the type to tout research in someone's face, but it would be nice to quietly know it exists. You know? :)

RawHeaven
03-24-2009, 01:36 PM
I just hope the young ones who are coming behind us are a lot smarter than us and pay attention to their common sense and bodies. I mean c'mon...these "new" media reports that red meat may reduce life expectancy. ??? You (in general) needed a report for that? How long have we seen the designer diseases escalating...for how many years? We (humans) can be pretty STUPID! :D LOL. And I say that we a lot of sarcasm, humility and humor. I really, really pray that in 50-75 years or less we will have gotten our collective s*** together. :D

Moretta
03-24-2009, 01:44 PM
Thanks for sharing the article.

greenfeline
03-24-2009, 01:56 PM
Just start searching medical journals or search on ScienceDaily.com

There are tons of studies strongly correlating meat & dairy consumption to cancer, heart disease, you name it.

Also tons of studies linking veggies to prevention, some on raw veggies too.

Although studies can be skewed to say anything and always look to see who funded the study. The dairy & meat industry frequently fund studies that magically come up with results that state how good these things are for you.

Books: The China Study is a good scientific book, Diet for New America is older, but there were even studies back then, and The Live Food Factor has studies listed.

Also, even if there were no studies, to be a pioneer and try something out. I think people are just scared to change and the thought of everything they know being wrong is quite frightening.

circle
03-24-2009, 09:09 PM
the thing to take into consideration is, why should they conduct a study to say that eating fruits and veggies is good? who would give the money to fund this study, and for what purpose? who would benefit from people buying fruits and veggies? the farmers? are farmers having tons of money to support conducting studies and surveys to say that their veggies are healthy?

there is a lot of propaganda out there.