About Doctors

[mattshor]

At what point would you decide to see a Western Doctor, or undergo a western medical treatment (antibiotics, surgery, prescription medication, etc.)

I'm curious to see what people's philosophies are regarding such treatments.

[Revvell]

Only if I broke something larger than a toe or finger and it's not a philosophy. It's my life.

Revvell (http://LetsTalkRaw.com)

[Veganforlife]

Same here. If I broke something BIG, ripped a big gash that couldn't be held together with duct tape or passed out - even passing out I wouldn't want to see a doctor. I don't trust 'em. I know me. They don't know me. They know drugs. They know nothing of nutrition. If they did? There would be a LOT of healthy people and a LOT of people out of work - big pharma...They are legalized drug lords.

[JCB44]

If I got hit crossing the road by a carrot truck, I would want the best trama doc around, but in general I have no use for them.

[Zanjabil]

I agree with what has been said..broken limb..large cut requiring stitches, severe,burn..etc. Basically anything that is a real life threatening emergency. Western medicine does have a fairly decent Emergency care, as far as for life threatening accidents.

[mattshor]

cool, thanks all

[rawpromises]

Is it ok if I ask what you all do for yearly/annual check up's or mammograms. Having lost my mom this year to cancer I have a tremendous fear of not getting my mammogram. However I don't think I would use them for treatment purposes. There has to be a better way then what I have seen thus far from the medical community. I'm completely bias to the medical community more so now than before with wanting nothing to do with them, but for some reason I have to go get my mammogram or I'm loaded down with anxiety.

Is this part of the question asked or is this somthing new I'm asking? Either way could you shed some light on this. I really would love to hear veiwpoints on this.

[adiebabe]

I generally avoid antibiotics, OTC medications and such but at the same time, I have some allergic/dermatological issues that there is no other way to treat than prescription steroid creams...nothing else works. I also had a pre-cancer issue a couple years ago and it was my doctor who caught it. I don't go for anything else though, I rarely get sick and if I do, I take care of it at home. I went through 8 months of Perirol Dermatitis rather than get the antibiotics to treat it. I think if you have a major health issue they can be helpful as long as you have a physician who will work with you in devising a wholistic health approach to your treatment and health...problem is, all too many of them won't do that. They rush you in and out and are all too content to just scratch off another prescription!

[LotsaRaw]

Injuries & check up/exams. What else are they for? ;) My orthopedic specialist (there was a post a couple mos ago re: my shoulder) has asked for tons of info regarding RAW :) Not all "physicians" are bad!

I agree with our trauma care in this country! Some outstanding emercency folks out there!

[Veganforlife]

Is it ok if I ask what you all do for yearly/annual check up's or mammograms. Having lost my mom this year to cancer I have a tremendous fear of not getting my mammogram. However I don't think I would use them for treatment purposes. There has to be a better way then what I have seen thus far from the medical community. I'm completely bias to the medical community more so now than before with wanting nothing to do with them, but for some reason I have to go get my mammogram or I'm loaded down with anxiety.

Is this part of the question asked or is this somthing new I'm asking? Either way could you shed some light on this. I really would love to hear veiwpoints on this.

Cancer thrives in an unhealthy body, normally. Check this link out. I do not have yearly checkups, especially not mammograms.

http://www.naturalnews.com/010886.html

[RawSweetie]

I am 45 and have had one mammogram--the first official one, then read alot of stuff about how they don't help/potentially harm and I don't plan to0 have another one. I feel totally at ease with this at this point in time.

(I think there is a thread on mammograms in Health, and I think I might have posted it---too lazy to check, haha).

I have these annoying little skin tags on both upper eyelids and now appearing on my throat, and I am planning to see a dermatologist to have them removed. I have no qualms with this. Yep, it's a vanity issue and I want them gone.:)

Generally, I agree that doctors are often, at best not helpful, and at worst, harmful--unless it's a trauma/emergency situation.

I've got a doctor in my brother-in-law's family who is a wonderful, kind, smart woman, and it helps me remember that these doctors are people, too, and products of their inadequate training in nutrition, among other things.

[Raw Joy]

Is it ok if I ask what you all do for yearly/annual check up's or mammograms. Having lost my mom this year to cancer I have a tremendous fear of not getting my mammogram. However I don't think I would use them for treatment purposes. There has to be a better way then what I have seen thus far from the medical community. I'm completely bias to the medical community more so now than before with wanting nothing to do with them, but for some reason I have to go get my mammogram or I'm loaded down with anxiety.

Is this part of the question asked or is this somthing new I'm asking? Either way could you shed some light on this. I really would love to hear veiwpoints on this.


If it's going to put your mind at ease, get the mammogram. What's the use of of having a healthy body if you're living in fear?

Due to procrastination, I haven't had a mammogram in about five years and had decided not to get anymore. However, a dear friend of ours on this board has been raw/high raw for several years but now has breast cancer. I'm reconsidering my position on this.

It's not wrong or right either way. It's whatever you decide for your physicial and mental health.

(so sorry about your mother. hugs)

[Revvell]

I just turned 60. I've never had a mamo and don't plan too. I stopped getting pap smears um, hmmmm well, 30 years ago?

Yeah, doctors do put the fear in you about getting mamos. I understand there are some alternatives now. Might want to check those out.

Also, there's a GREAT dvd (http://revvellations.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5&products_id=21)available about cancer and people (men and women ~ doctors even!) who've had cancer and chose not to go the route their doctors pushed (not recommended ~ pushed) them to go.

Know something ~ Doctors provide FREE mammos. Why? Because they make ALL that money back and more on doing by poisoning, burning and mutilating women. It is what it is.

Revvell (http://LetsTalkRaw.com)

[RawKnitster]

Is it ok if I ask what you all do for yearly/annual check up's or mammograms. Having lost my mom this year to cancer I have a tremendous fear of not getting my mammogram. However I don't think I would use them for treatment purposes. There has to be a better way then what I have seen thus far from the medical community. I'm completely bias to the medical community more so now than before with wanting nothing to do with them, but for some reason I have to go get my mammogram or I'm loaded down with anxiety.

Is this part of the question asked or is this somthing new I'm asking? Either way could you shed some light on this. I really would love to hear veiwpoints on this.

Anxiety can cause health problems, too. Perhaps if a mammogram eases your mind for now it is the lesser of two evils. I had one last year. I like to think the longer I am raw and as I gain confidence that the effects of my S.A.D. diet are or have been erased I may not want to continue getting mammograms. But you better believe I will always get an annual PAP smear.

I'm sorry about your Mother. I lost my Mom to cancer almost 3 years ago. She might have been cured if she had listened to her body and been an advocate for herself. Instead she accepted the first diagnosis she received, Fibermyalgia. There was a suspicious x-ray that the doctor wanted her to see a specialist about, but since she was in California and a resident of Oregon, the California oncologist she was referred to refused to see her. She was angry and determined not to go to see any specialists. She moved back to Oregon, found a Nurse Practitioner that renewed her prescriptions for steroids and Vicadin and went into denial. She popped those pain pills like PEZ. Two years later when she went back to a doctor with complications, it was too late. The cancer had eaten holes in her bones and there were tumors all over her body. She could have given up right then, but she fought it for 2 more years eagerly taking all the poisons the medical establishment threw at her.

There is a time to go the doctor. We need to pay enough attention to what is going on with our bodies to know when that time is. If we are eating a raw diet, staying active and banish stress from our lives we may never need to see a doctor. But if something starts to feel wrong, we should address it and not go into denial.

I have thought back on this often. There is no doubt in my mind that the first symptom my Mother suffered from was anger. She started being obsessed and angered by little things, and her blood pressure was up in the 200s. I believe that her body was sending her a message and that if she had turned inward and listened instead of thinking others were doing her wrong and that she was rightgeous in her angers, she might have had a different outcome.

Sorry my answer is so long. As you can tell it is a sensitive subject for me.

[RawSweetie]

((((Rawknitster))))

Wow. That must have been so difficult...

Thanks for sharing it.

[Colorawdo girl]

There is a time to go the doctor. We need to pay enough attention to what is going on with our bodies to know when that time is. If we are eating a raw diet, staying active and banish stress from our lives we may never need to see a doctor. But if something starts to feel wrong, we should address it and not go into denial.

This I love(above).
I would go IF: I got hit by a coconut truck headed up my driveway(haha I love the carrot truck one) or if I absolutely needed to.

I love life and want to live.

I feel,I am the best doctor for my body.That feels powerful!!!

I know they dont know how to take care of me in the best way possible for me.

No mammos or any of that for me. I know my body,If something was wrong,I would know and call my naturopath.If she felt it was serious,she would call emergency.

Preventative,as much as possible.Why I do raw.

[rawpromises]

This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm actually sitting here crying in relief to hear other views on this. I think with my mom's death being recent I haven't let the anxitey go. I choose to go raw after my mom's cancer. For me it was a turing point knowing I could control what was happening to my body by doing right by my body. This just comfirms my feeling that I am not destined to get cancer or any other disease I've been pron to be worried about by every tv ad in america or my mom's doctors who kept telling me the entire time to get genetic testing. They had me scared out of my pants. (Never did it) . Raw was my answer.

revelle- I truly belive there is money made in cancer and they don't seem to want to find a cure becaue of the money. You hit the nail on the head when you said they doctors dont' give free mammos.

Gosh Ladies. thanks so much. I am now more then ever committed to my path of raw and health. I jsut can't express how much it means to hear the way you all are so committed to your beliefs in your body and health.. I'm going to get there.

I do belive like someone said. The more confident I do get with my body and being raw the less anxiety I will have over this. For lack of a better word the past year with my mom's cancer is still raw.

I'm glad to have found this place.

[RaeVynn]

Love the 'hit by a carrot truck' line :p

I once had a screaming match with a doctor about mammograms... I flat out refuse to have one, and he was adamant that I MUST have one. I was seeing him about a blood test! Sheeesh.

Oh, yes. I won the fight. Never saw that doctor again, either.

Back when I lived in Minnesota, one of our friends was an older man, originally Amish, who had been cured/healed of non-Hodgekins Lymphoma using the Grape Cure. He had gone to Mexico for the treatment, spent a month on just grapes/grape juice, and the cancer was gone. When I met him, it was TWENTY YEARS after his cure.

I have never had any time for "standard medical practice."

Right now, I'm waiting for my hypertension to vanish. It will. Raw food will make it go away. :p

[Revvell]

revelle- I truly belive there is money made in cancer and they don't seem to want to find a cure becaue of the money. You hit the nail on the head when you said they doctors dont' give free mammos.


Can you imagine if EVERYone took care of their health and the ACS and the AHA and the Diabetes foundation all went out of business? The whole economy would collapse. No need to concern ourselves. The gov't would bail them out.

How about if everyone stopped "running for the cure" and circulated their money on organic, raw produce and kept on running cuz they enjoy it?

The BILLIONS of dollars that have gone to "fight" cancer could go to subsidizing farmers to grow organic produce and we'd all be well ~ well, those of us who'll eat it and who take responsibility for ourselves.

Do what you need to do...to care for yourself. You're supported.

Revvell (http://LetsTalkRaw.com)

[MrsJ]

Direct radiation to the tissue? Sounds like a conspiracy to CAUSE cancer to me.

[Colorawdo girl]

rawpromises...dear sweet person. I am so sorry about your Mom.I cannot even imagine losing my mother.

One can spend a lot of energy worrying about cancer. Its a very real health challenge these days.

I was shocked to learn how the mind can actually create a disease by thinking we have it or worrying about it. The mind-body connection is incredible.

So I say "I am well and healthy" and my body follows.

Best of health to you in your renewed committment to be well! hugs

[rawpromises]

Thanks Artgirly- I turly believe in the mind body connection as well. I just need to get it down. I really do need to have self love.I think I'm on my way. Many times I have tried and fail and fell back into stress but now it seems like I'm a work in progress. Honestly since going raw my fears have quelled some. I think because I know now that I wasn't doing all I could do by eatiing a SAD diet. I felt sad and thought sad. Now I do feel fresh. Having this board has really opened my eyes to the way it should be.

So in the words of my friend Artgirly. Karen is well and healty.

[iluvmangos]

I once had a screaming match with a doctor about mammograms... I flat out refuse to have one, and he was adamant that I MUST have one. I was seeing him about a blood test! Sheeesh.

I wonder who that doctor thought he was to insist that you MUST have a mammogram. He was your doctor, not your master. I'm glad you never went back.

[glamazon]

Well I don't like doctors..believe they are called medical practitioners because they are practicing on you!! I do have a normal family practitioner that was recommended by my husband's family so she is more a friend and is all about alt modalities and listens to what I want to do. If my body is in major DIS-ease I will check in with her but it has been couple years since I have seen her as well.

With that, I had a work injury Dec 2005 and tried alt forms for pain relief but long story short ended up having surgery because I was literally crawling to and from the bathroom. I found a kind, caring doctor whom I still love to this day but I was fortunate--most are not.

I still have daily pain [as I have other herniated discs also resulting from same injury that I refuse to operate on] but it is nothing like it was. I think when you have an injury that other alt therapies don't improve within a relatively timely manner and even starts getting worse or adversely affects your daily life--sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I don't do meds as I KNOW anything man-made WILL WITHOUT A DOUBT adversely affect your body. During this whole ordeal...my BP was high and I got so depressed and I did end up seeing my family practitioner because my husband was worried...anyway she prescribed anti-depressants which I did NOT fill and a BP pill and she kinda scared me with the facts so I did start taking those...but again since I don't believe in meds I rarely remembered to take them so finally stopped. My BP is still high BUT pain raises the BP and I have extra weight...so obviously I need to do my part.

Anyway that's my two cents :rolleyes:

[klomasius]

There is a time to go the doctor. We need to pay enough attention to what is going on with our bodies to know when that time is. If we are eating a raw diet, staying active and banish stress from our lives we may never need to see a doctor. But if something starts to feel wrong, we should address it and not go into denial.

I agree, and sorry about your mum. :(

My dad died of cancer about a year and a half ago, I tried to help but it was too late and he wasn't going to change his ways.

Here's what I do about doctors:

Firstly, I see doctors as a VALUABLE resource. Not because of what they know (I don't believe much of what they know is helpful for true health), but because of the high esteem the general public holds them in.

If we could manage to convince them that a) a raw lifestyle isn't harmful and b) a raw lifestyle can be powerfully beneficial to prevention and cure of disease and maintenance of a high level of health, then we have created people who can very easily spread the word to a public hanging on every word they say.

I arm myself with nutritional and health knowledge, I speak 'science' so this helps, but everyone can learn to speak science and talk to doctors on the same level.

My son and I get a check up once a year, blood tests, physical etc. We don't seem to need to go to a doctor other than that, we never seem to get sick.

Pap smears and mammograms, I'm 33 and never had a mammogram, but I do check for breast lumps myself (and have had a small one disappear on a raw diet). I haven't had a pap smear in about 10 years, but will most likely get one this year, just to check.

As for medication, antibiotics, western treatment. I exist happily without this on a day to day basis, but as others have said, in an emergency, I would take what emergency care I could get. But the emergency scenario would be quite rare for most of us living healthily, not stressing too much and getting exercise.

But just don't stress, as raw knitster said above...

[klomasius]

revelle- I truly believe there is money made in cancer and they don't seem to want to find a cure because of the money. You hit the nail on the head when you said they doctors dont' give free mammos.



Raw promises, I KNOW this to be a fact. I used to work for a pharmaceutical company (please, don't nobody hit me!!) and their main income earner was anti cancer drugs. They were building a whole new urban block sized factory simply for these anti cancer drugs, which they sold on mass to hospitals. They would have been bankrupt without these drugs being needed.

I remember walking to work from the bus stop one day and reading a science journal article that said from 60-80% of cancers could be prevented by diet and exercise alone and then looking up at this massive factory building being built. That's about the time I went raw.

So sorry about your mum, take care sweetie..

[rawpromises]

Thank you. You are all so wonderful.

[jurence]

For my feet, When I get a serious infection (I am barefoot)

For my body, when I stop feeling good because then something is seriously wrong.