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big foot marty
12-12-2008, 11:26 AM
What have you all used to protein AND Sufficient Calories for workouts without losing lean muscle mass?
I know greens have EAA's but still 3 pounds of kale, spincah etc is still only a few hundred calories.... :(
Hemp seeds, Hemp Powder, ???? :p
Bean sprouts? which beans?:cool:
12-12-2008, 11:31 AM
Please don't take this wrong, but this has been discussed numerous times, I know you are new and asking and learning. I suggest searching this forum. And DO you have Alissa's book? She really explains how not to worry about counting and where one gets their protein from and all.
Here is a short blurb out of her book (it's actually on the home page of this forum):
big foot marty
12-12-2008, 03:26 PM
Thanks for the input- I know all the EEA content ( plus the other nutrients) for all of my favorite greens and the ones I can find less frequently-
I drink at least a Quart of green smoothie each day- with a pound of greens in it.
A pound of greens has almost no calories by them selves.
I am 6'8, 268lbs and 10% bodyfat and an marathon and ultramarathon runner and a strength contest competitor so I my base metabolic rate is high and my needs are even higher with the workouts.
How can I consume 3500-4000 calories a day.
12-12-2008, 03:34 PM
If you're super concerned with the caloric intake, eat more nuts. Those are easy to get high calorie and protien percentages you're looking for.
12-12-2008, 04:51 PM
Raweater eats about the same number of calories per day as you, and he is publishing a recipe book. I think he relies on eating lots of walnuts to get his protein and calories, due to their density and their cheapness.
Many people (myself included) find that they need to eat less calories to maintain their weight on a long-term 100% raw diet, which totally goes against conventional nutritional thought. I don't count calories, but I am aware that I eat way less than I used to. My theory is that raw food is just so nutritious we don't need as many calories. But although I exercise lots, I'm very petite (5'2" and 120 pounds), so I've never needed to eat so much as other (bigger) athletes, and I can't say from personal experience how to eat 3,500-4,000 calories per day. But I'm sure it can be done, anything is possible.
12-13-2008, 04:27 AM
Just eat More Calories. Don't forget the Avocado and the Nut and eat often.
12-13-2008, 07:14 AM
I think the whole protein and exercise stuff is a scam. Frankly, I do better with my workouts on less protein. And I hardly eat anything with much protein in it to begin with. The only protein rich food I've eaten with any frequency is peanuts.
01-03-2009, 07:42 PM
It's not about the quantity of calories. It's the NUTRITION PER CALORIE that really counts. If you are eating truly nutritionally dense foods and superfoods, you will do better on much fewer calories because your body is getting what it needs to repair itself and build more muscle.
For example, marine phytoplankton (https://www.noblelifeelements.com/Christy/products/phyto.asp) is one of the most nutritionally-dense foods on earth, yet has almost no calories. Same with Spirulina, which I am totally addicted to! :D
I remember watching the Michael Phelps interview where they followed him around while he ate. It was horrible. He eats 12000 calories a day of pure junk food. What a terrible example for today's youth. Plus I saw a Today Show interview with the chef for the US Olympic Team, and she was so concerned about her athletes getting 'enough' calories that she was feeding them doughnuts and pastries. Imagine what these athletes could do if they were not being burdened by this toxic waste of oxidizing foods that weaken their bodies. Imagine how much stronger and better Michael Phelps would be--scary thought for the competition! My heart went out to them, because they don't know anything but to follow the horrible advice of their trainers.
As far as protein, I discuss that in detail here (http://defiant-health.com/so-where-do-you-get-your-protein/) on my website. Hemp is fantastic. You are on the right track there. I also am a big fan of Sun Warrior Raw Vegan protein (http://store.sunwarrior.com/?Click=1268), and immediately noticed great advances and changes in my body composition when I started using it. Several people on this site also highly recommend chia seeds in their smoothies, and I am going to take their advice and give that a try!
Be sure to get excellent post-workout nutrition (http://defiant-health.com/2008/12/19/optimal-post-workout-nutrition/), within 30 minutes after you finish your exercising. That is your window to quantum leaps in fitness gains.
Also, here is a recipe for awesome homemade raw superfood protein bars (http://defiant-health.com/2008/12/21/healthy-home-made-protein-bars/). I make a batch of these and eat them for days. They do have a lot of calories in them, I think. I'm trying to gain lean muscle mass too, so I am eating more than normal. I don't know the exact nutritional info, since I made them up! ;) Enjoy!
Good luck with your training! Hope this helps.
01-04-2009, 06:46 AM
When I first started bodybuilding I was basically a SAD eater. I had LOTS of muscle hidden under fat. When I went vegetarian, I got RIPPED and gained over 15 pounds of muscle easily. My training partner at the time told me he'd love to see me if I ate animal products. Been there, done that.
Now I'm raw and with the added nutrition from not cooking and killing my food, I'm healthier than ever and never concern myself with calories, protein, etc.
There are a lot of raw athletes who don't use canned, man-made powders, etc. of any kind. Tim VanOrden (http://rawkinradio.com/?s=Tim+Van+Orden) is a tower runner; Dr. Ruth Heidrich (http://rawkinradio.com/?s=+Ruth+Heidrich) runs marathons...
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