found = RAW FOOD BODYBUILDER WEB SITE!!!!

[ANIMLOVER]

Check out

www.charliesgym.info/default.php

The guys a raw vegan and a bodybuilder competitior -- I just found the site, but have to go to bed! Exausted and have an early day tomorrow!
Please tell me what you think!

[Ireland]

Very impressive site! There's no way in the world anybody can say vegans don't get enough protein. Sheesh - would ya look at the guy!

[city]

Cool. Thanks!

[Leiloshka]

Animlover, glad you posted this. I just got into an argument today with my dad about me eating raw foods. HELLO, I'm 38!!!! And then he tried, after much fighting over that and everything else in my life, to say he was worried about the raw food effect on my children. He said it's fine if I'm just doing it for me, but his FEAR is that I will make my kids eat like that. And, it's a given my son is pretty thin (compared to the rest of the overweight child population) and he said he just worries he won't get enough nutrition. UGH!!! My own brother was thin and small when he was little and they thought about putting him on growth hormones but didn't thinking well, he may fill out later...and he did! In college.

Anyway, it was good to see this guy and read about some of his research. The link to the USDA chart on his site is good. I haven't searched it yet, but it would be a good place to get information about the protein amounts in certain foods. I know...eating raw seems with the head to not make sense at first, but I think it's conditioning by society. I mean really, it's just going back in time to a time when there were natural foods more available to us. What is so unhealthy about that??!!

For me nothing. I've been raw only 4 weeks, but I'm not hungry, not craving, and I feel better. Cleaner or something. But, again...changes I choose to make in my life are just "too extreme" for my family. :eek:

[Revvell]

Hi Leiloshka and welcome.

I don't know if it would be worth the hassle to deal with your parents on this yet, you might ask them ~ sooo, eating fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds in their natural state is extreme? Yet, killing an animal, cooking it and burying it in your stomach where it will rot for 3 days isn't?

I'm assuming your folks eat fish, chicken and/or beef? Well, it takes about 72 hours to digest and eliminate that ~ for most IF they even eliminate it. So! Ask them if the would consider leaving a chicken leg out on the kitchen counter in 98 degree weather for 24 hours ~ never mind 72. I doubt they will, yet, they will keep it in their bodies for 3 days or so AND put some sugary stuff on top of it to create some wonderful gas!

Mmmm, I guess I need to go to bed. Rambling. I can go on and on about what people think is extreme. Feeding yourself and your children real food is extreme. Hmph! :confused:

Make it a good 'un ~

Revvell

[flutterfly]

Thanks for sharing this site

[Leiloshka]

Revvell, Yeah I know. Drives me insane. Oh well. I'm the parent now. Although they can't seem to grip that. They made decisions for me when I was younger and now I am making them for my children. The end. :)

[Revvell]

Revvell, Yeah I know. Drives me insane. Oh well. I'm the parent now. Although they can't seem to grip that. They made decisions for me when I was younger and now I am making them for my children. The end. :)


YESSSSS! Good for you! :)

[fatdogs12]

Very impressive site! There's no way in the world anybody can say vegans don't get enough protein. Sheesh - would ya look at the guy!

lol, I might be the only one but when I saw his picture I said "Man he is really really puny". I mean he looks like he is about 135 pounds. With the average bodybuilder at 250 and the big ones at 280+ I don't think he really makes realistic statements about bodybuilding.

I have seen some vegan bodybuilders and some were pretty big (like 215) but most of them are really skinny. All in all you can't weigh more than what you eat so if you want to gain 2 lbs in muscle every month you are going to need to eat at least 2lbs worth of complete protein over what your body normally needs.

Bananas are not going to do that. I do think it can be done but I don't see that you can get away from bulking. I think you are going to need to eat a lot of complete protien to gain. He makes a point there that people make it like protien is the only thing involved in body building. Well it's not the only thing but tied with working out it's the most important.

[misslinda]

Fatdogs, what is it about protein that makes it important?


:) ml

[Arky]

I know very little about bodybuilding, but Broccoli apparently yields approximately 2.1 times as much protein as steak. Doesn't this count for anything?


J.

[misslinda]

Arky, great point as I was leading to that as well. If I'm not mistaken, the amino acids are what the body is breaking down from "protein" Wheatgrasss has chains of amino acids and ones that are not even in meat. Goji berries have like over 10 types of amino acids.

[fatdogs12]

Arky, great point as I was leading to that as well. If I'm not mistaken, the amino acids are what the body is breaking down from "protein" Wheatgrasss has chains of amino acids and ones that are not even in meat. Goji berries have like over 10 types of amino acids.

You are right what protein does essentially is break down into amino acids so your body can build muscle. See the reason that vegtables are supposedly not as good as cooked meat (this is what body builders say) is because they are not complete proteins which means they do not contain all the nessasary amino acids nessasary to create muscle. So yes vegtables have protein and some vegtables have more protien per ounce than steak but those vegtables (other than a few exceptions) do not contain all the nessasary amino acids required. Now you could eat a bunch of different vegtables to make up your entire required amino acid supply however I personally (though I could be wrong) think it would be really difficult to bulk at the rate that meat eaters do.

This is why I say there arn't too many big bodybuilders who are non meat eaters. The thing is about that though is that percentage wise there is a very small population of non meat eating bodybuilders compared to the rest of them so there is no real way to compare a vegitarian bodybuilder to a meat eating one over a large sample size.

In my experiance I have to eat a fair amount of real protein to gain that muscle (I currently eat raw soybeans for that). I have tested different things out as to how long it takes my body to stop hurting after I work out and things like that and in my experiance how much protein I eat has a lot to do with it. For example, if I work out today but don't eat soybeans at all for the next week it usually takes about 5 days for my body to stop hurting. When I do eat my two servings of soybeans a day it takes about 40 hours for my muscles to stop hurting.

To me that makes sense though, as my muscles fibers are torn when I exercise they need amino acids to rebuild them bigger. As they get those amino acids they rebuild and the pain goes away. If I eat my 2 or 3 servings a day I tend to put on about 2 to 3 pounds of muscle mass a month. usually around the low end of 2. Still though any body builder would be happy with that.

Though another thing I keep in mind of course is that ALL pro bodybuilders use steroids so getting as big as them is not possible because thier body heals faster, however I have heard about the possibility of creating a chamber that would actually have the same effect as steroids but without the damaging side effects. Something about getting more of some kind of ions in the lungs or something. I don't understand the science of steroids so I can't say exactly.

[RawTruth]

Actually, MissLinda, our bodies use amino acids to make protein -- within our bodies. The misperception is that we have to eat protein (meat, beans w/rice) to get protein. The reality is that your body will take the amino acids from vegetables and fruits and make protein in our bodies -- which is available for use right then rather than having to try to digest meat or other cooked foods in order to get some protein out of them.

Now that you have Alissa's book -- how cool is that!!! -- you can read the section on protein that explains all this. Though, I'm thinking that she also posted it in that general info section here.

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi all,

Here are a few more raw body builders, also some websites. Some have been raw 30+ years, some only a couple of years.

Nutmeg / Storm - 30+ years all raw
http://www.thegardendiet.com/storm.html - photos
http://www.thegardendiet.com/about.html - testimony
http://www.thegardendiet.com/anti-aging/ - before and after pics
http://www.thegardendiet.com/anti-aging/intheraw.html - in the buff

Shannon Oliver
http://www.thegardendiet.com/shannon.html

Dr. Tim Trader
http://www.vegetarianusa.com/rawenergy/

R.C. Dini
http://www.rawfood.com/dini.html

Dr. Graham - Raw Foods Athlete
http://foodnsport.com/

Scott Brodie
http://www.rawfood.com/brodie.html

Matthew Grace
http://matthewgrace.homestead.com/bio.html

Steve Arlin - RawFood.com
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/bodybuilder.html
http://www.rawfood.com/interviewsa1.html - Raw Foods
http://www.rawfood.com/interviewsa2.html - Muscle building

Robbie Hazely
http://www.raw.veganbodybuilding.org/

Janie
http://www.ringlet.org/Janie-8-25-04FlexPhotos.html - after
http://www.ringlet.org/Historical_Photos_of_Janie.html - before

And of course, on this board - Allisa and check out Flutter Fly - nice abs for someone almost 60 years old.

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[city]

Nobody can argue that you can get protein from plant sources - the real question is the bio-availability of these proteins. Also the bio-availability of other things like iron. Spinach is high in iron but it is not as absorbable as heme iron found in meat. Body builders have to be very careful to pair veggies to make nutrients more available to their bodies. It's not that easy to do.

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi all,

Here are a couple of articles on protein - pertaining to where we get them from, how much we need, getting the proper number of amino acids, world champion weight lifters who are vegeterians, etc.:

Protein is Parts
http://www.dsiegel.com/wiwd/diet/protein.html

Proteins – How much and from where
http://chrysalisyog.homestead.com/nutsprout.html

<>< Helen of Tennessee

P.S. - I have about 6 or 7 more articles simular to these from different sources.

[tglasco4]

That is a great site. I noticed the gentleman is not that big, but true bodybuilding is not about getting big. Bodybuilding that calls for men to be 250lbs+ and eat 10,000 calories per day is perverted. When people like Jack Lalanne, Charles Atlas and Joe Weider started this movement it was about developing a healthy and strong body. Those drug-induced, protein-crazed behemoths that are called bodybuilders today are not healthy at all. Just as women are being tricked into thinking they must be waft-thin to be attractive and sexy, men are tricked into thinking that unless their biceps are not 20" they are too skinny. :confused: I have been raw for about 15 months now, I am 195lbs, I can run 10 miles and my body is tight. I didn't do that to become a bodybuilder, yet this is what true bodybuilding is all about. ANIMLOVER, Thanks for the site sis!!

btw, this is just my opinion, but this protien thing is getting old.

Peace.

Todd

[Universal]

Peace,

Thanks for posting all of those sites. This is real vital information for those of us striving to take our bodies to an optimal level.
And i agree Todd, the protein issue is OLDER than old at this point.


PEACE
Universal

by the way Todd, i sent u a private message. let me know if u got it.

PEACE

[city]

All of the BIG bodybuilders are A.) not that tall (with a few exceptions) - which means their muscles are shorter and rounder and B.) Protein is the LEAST of there problems - they all take steroids. ALL of them. In fact, there's a seperate competition for "natural bodybuilding. Huh? The whole thing is abnoxious.

"Real" bodybuilding is about muscular development, health and symmetry. Not steroids.

[misslinda]

. Those drug-induced, protein-crazed behemoths that are called bodybuilders today are not healthy at all. Just as women are being tricked into thinking they must be waft-thin to be attractive and sexy, men are tricked into thinking that unless their biceps are not 20" they are too skinny. :confused: I have been raw for about 15 months now, I am 195lbs, I can run 10 miles and my body is tight. I didn't do that to become a bodybuilder, yet this is what true bodybuilding is all about.

btw, this is just my opinion, but this protien thing is getting old.

Peace.

Todd

I agree Todd !!!!! I"ve never that body builders looked healthy nor attractive, meat is converted to ammonia in the body so how healthy can that be????? besides, Fatdogs, it takes alot more than amino acid to rebuild the torn fibers. :)

[Werevegan]

I know this thread is old but I wanted to add a few comments.

1) This guy looks great. He is 47 years old in those pictures, and weighs 158 lbs, not 135. Looks like he might be of short stature so he is going to give the appearance of being smaller than the 6'+ heavyweights we're used to seeing when we think of bodybuilders.

2) I know plenty of men who lift weights in their 20's, and 30's who don't look that good, that cut or that big, let alone in their 40's or 50's. I would have been happy to look that good at 21, let alone 47.

3) The fact he did this on RAW foods without relying heavily on nuts is a great example for the rest of us, regardless. He is living proof you don't have to be a skeleton eating raw foods if you don't want to be.

4) Apologies to Helen of Tennessee, some of the examples in her list are good athletes and in great shape, but wouldn't meet the definition most people have of 'bodybuilder.' Doug Graham has said specifically that he has never tried to be a bodybuilder as it doesn't interest him. The only reason I add this comment is some of those men, including Dr. Graham, are relatively thin compared to the bodybuilding stereotype and I wouldn't want anyone desirous of building large muscles to be dissuaded by looking at the pics of these more thin, 'ripped' type athletes.

5) There was an article in Living Nutrition Magazine some time ago that contained an article about raw bodybuilding on a high fruit diet. The three men pictured in the article were in great shape and ran a personal training business and gym. I no longer have the magazine but if anyone has some back issues or can recall their names, please post! :)

6) The use of steroids in creating the huge, unnatural physiques of modern-day body building cannot be understated. I remember as a child watching Steve Reeves perform on the big screen as "Hercules." I remember thinking he was HUGE. Now, he wouldn't even make the cut at a small time show. Its ridiculous.

http://www.stevereeves.com/images/Hercules.jpg

7) And finally, at least we know that our small, 158 lbs. bodybuilder friend is 99% more likely to be HEALTHY than his meat-eating, steroid abusing cousins in "real" bodybuilding. That should be AS important, if not more, than having the perfect physique, for happy living and long life.