The itching! OMG! The itching!!!

[kristinseto]

Ok, I started detoxing a few days ago. I am only about 90% raw.
It started with diarrhea, the next day I had a terrible "cold". I drank a hot drink with ginger and lemon and it helped the cold symptoms, but I am still congested a bit.
Then, yesterday I start itching like crazy!!! OMG the itching!
And I have a horrible rash type think all over my legs.
The itching is from my belly to my feet.
This is detox right? Any suggestions on how I can speed it up or help the itching stop. I can't stand it.
For the past two days because of my "cold" I just couldn't stand to eat much, but I have to eat because I am breastfeeding my 5 month old.
I have eaten apples and crackers (not raw). By eating cooked food I guess I am probably prolonging detox...not a good idea.
Any input?
Thanks!

[Raine]

You shouldn't be detoxing while you are nursing. Your passing on the toxins to your infant.

It sounds like you need to move slower with your transition into raw foods so that your baby isn't adversely affected.

[kristinseto]

You shouldn't be detoxing while you are nursing. Your passing on the toxins to your infant.

It sounds like you need to move slower with your transition into raw foods so that your baby isn't adversely affected.


Raine,
Where were you a few weeks back when I posted so many times about detox while nursing and no one could/would answer me??
Okay, so I moved into raw pretty slowly hoping not to detox like this, but the body wants what the body wants...
My baby is 100% perfect at this point. What do you suggest I do? Should I start ingesting the toxins of SAD food again? That just doesn't make much sense to me. Won't the babe just detox as well...
Of course I wouldn't want her to suffer like this, but I want her system to get clean as well...

[carolg]

This reminds me of the sudden attack of my husband having his candida outburst he never knew he had. He was so itchy, uncontrollable all the time. Even oatmeal baths did not help him. He went for Ion Cleanse baths and he did get some relief. I'm not saying this is your problem. He tried Oatmeal baths with no relief. Perhaps for you it is a detox. Are you drinking lots of water to flush? Are you eating lots of fruits? I know for him fruits are aa trigger to the candida. He has been getting NAET treatments, through acupuncture, but only sharing what he is doing. It's taken a while to get rid of his constant back itches, but now no talk of any so I assume it's gone.

Feel great and let's see what others say. We do want that baby to get the best health!

carolg

[Raine]

Raine,
Where were you a few weeks back when I posted so many times about detox while nursing and no one could/would answer me??
Okay, so I moved into raw pretty slowly hoping not to detox like this, but the body wants what the body wants...
My baby is 100% perfect at this point. What do you suggest I do? Should I start ingesting the toxins of SAD food again? That just doesn't make much sense to me. Won't the babe just detox as well...
Of course I wouldn't want her to suffer like this, but I want her system to get clean as well...

Sorry! I don't know where I was -- probably on a shoot dealing with my camera guys riding backwards on a motorcycle at 70mph!

I don't have kids - and gauging by how spoiled my Harley Amadeus (Doberman) is, that's probably a good thing! - but there are certain criteria to deal with when detoxing while nursing.

I did a search for "nursing" in the Fasting forum here on RFT. I would suggest you read through these postings as this might give you a better reference point. Going from SAD to raw can have some similar attributes as trying to fast -- in both cases, your body is trying to detox. http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/search.php?searchid=753416

http://files.dogster.com/pix/dogs/51/698451/698451_1200068995.jpg

[Revvell]

Get some GSE, add about 10 drops to warm bath water. Baking soda may help as well.

As far as nursing while detoxing.. many people have gone through detox while pregnant and nursing.. they call them "colds". It'll assist in building the child's immune system. Fear of detoxing will weaken it.

So, my question on going raw while pregnant or feeding.. should a woman keep eating a normal SAD diet? or eat healthy, raw food?

Enjoy life and always, play with your food.

Revvell

[Raine]

So, my question on going raw while pregnant or feeding.. should a woman keep eating a normal SAD diet? or eat healthy, raw food?



She should eat healthy; however, if she's been SAD and is currently nursing an infant, a gradual transition would be nice.

[kristinseto]

Get some GSE, add about 10 drops to warm bath water. Baking soda may help as well.

As far as nursing while detoxing.. many people have gone through detox while pregnant and nursing.. they call them "colds". It'll assist in building the child's immune system. Fear of detoxing will weaken it.

So, my question on going raw while pregnant or feeding.. should a woman keep eating a normal SAD diet? or eat healthy, raw food?

Enjoy life and always, play with your food.

Revvell


Thank you for your reply.
What is GSE?

[kristinseto]

Oh, I see, it is Grape Seed Extract.
Can I get this at Whole Foods?
or is a nutrition store better?

[kristinseto]

hmm, or is it Grapefruit Seed Extract?

Thank you!!!

[Revvell]

Oh, I see, it is Grape Seed Extract.
Can I get this at Whole Foods?
or is a nutrition store better?

I think it's grapefruit seed extract. Wherever you can find it. It's pricey but lasts a long time.

[HolyGuacamole]

I agree that one should avoid sudden hardcore detox while nursing if at all possible, and I think you will find that this is the opinion held by most.
My son is 3 and nursing some, and I am still waiting to fast or do any serious cleansing (which I long to do) until he has weaned, in an effort to avoid exposing him to an onslaught of toxins as they are shed from my system.

That said, eating better is... well, better. For both of you. And you're already in the thick of it.

Better to transition slowly and avoid serious detox, yes, but at the end of the day, you are wherever you are in the process, and if, despite your efforts, detox is where you are, then there's no point in fretting about it. Just ride it out.


GSE (yes, grapefruit seed extract) is a potent bacteriacide and viracide. Nutribiotic brand, available at Whole Foods and most health food stores, is a great product.
GSE might well accelerate your detox, if that's the way you want to go. It could also just intensify (potentially by a lot) the detox you're experiencing now without affecting the length of time you must suffer through it. Then again it might not make much of a difference at all.
If you decide to use it, know that GSE is generally accepted as safe in nursing; you will find it recommended by La Leche League leaders for treating thrush, and on kellymom.com as part of their candida treatment protocol.

As far as laying off the cooked food right now... That's really up to you. I might stick with my 90% plan for the time being, making sure that the cooked foods I ate were nutritious, not sugary or grainy, and lightly cooked, to avoid aggravating the symptoms of detox. But that's just me.

Good luck to you and I hope you get through this phase quickly. Sorry about your itchies. That sounds miserable.
Congrats on going raw! You will be so glad you did!

[Jenifae]

I have no idea on the nursing thing.
But, sounds like candida to me. I am dealing with it now. I couldn't figure out what the heck was wrong with me. When I went raw I actually agrivated it because, I started eating alot more fruits and raw deserts. The itchy and itchy butt got crazy making for me. The minute I quit the fruit and sugar I immediately started feeling better. It's not gone but, it's nice to have it toned down.
You can take a really easy at home test for it to see if that it. Go to this link for the instruction. So simple........I love that :)
http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html

[goobygirl]

You can get GSE online too.

[manash17]

I have heard that cutting down on fat in the diet will help Candida if that is what is making you itch.

[Revvell]

I have heard that cutting down on fat in the diet will help Candida if that is what is making you itch.

This is true imo and experience. People tend to blame fruit when it's the combination of FAT and fruit.

[RawHeaven]

This is true imo and experience. People tend to blame fruit when it's the combination of FAT and fruit.

In my experience too. I believe it has to do a lot with fat. When I combine fats that don't mix well with sweet fruits, I get itchy. Otherwise I seem to have no problems. It sounds like candida to me too. GSE is the ticket to healing.

[Chickadee]

How do you use the GSE, just bathing or taken internally or both?

[RawHeaven]

How do you use the GSE, just bathing or taken internally or both?

Both.

You can put a few drops 5-15 in a glass of water or you can put a few drops in your bath as Revvell mentions above. But be careful to dilute it with water when drinking it - it's potent stuff. Be careful also if you happen to be taking medications. It reacts negatively with some. Just wanted to mention this just in case, not to instill fear just alert you to research GSE thoroughly. I love the stuff - it's helped me heal a number of ailments, including candida.

[RawHeaven]

Benefits of using GSE.

http://www.pureliquidgold.com/benefits-of-grapefruit-seed-extract.htm

[mongodelight]

Ok, I started detoxing a few days ago. I am only about 90% raw.
It started with diarrhea, the next day I had a terrible "cold". I drank a hot drink with ginger and lemon and it helped the cold symptoms, but I am still congested a bit.
Then, yesterday I start itching like crazy!!! OMG the itching!
And I have a horrible rash type think all over my legs.
The itching is from my belly to my feet.
This is detox right? Any suggestions on how I can speed it up or help the itching stop. I can't stand it.
For the past two days because of my "cold" I just couldn't stand to eat much, but I have to eat because I am breastfeeding my 5 month old.
I have eaten apples and crackers (not raw). By eating cooked food I guess I am probably prolonging detox...not a good idea.
Any input?
Thanks!

i had exactly the same. I think it s candida. I had it for a few days. The grating only makes it worse. Taking a hot or cold shower gives some short time to breath when you re walking the walls up. Lay down take deep breaths and meditate, thats a good method to get around. But most of the time you have to go through this. If u dont grate too much it will stop in a few days. It made me crazy and now its nearly gone. The pain will wash away, there s a light at the end of the tunnel:). The last let it be 7 hours i suffered from a nonstop "cold". It makes me crazy too but its fun in comparrison to the itching. I ate much sweet fruits and the itching stopped, dont think that the only way to get rid of the itching is stopping to eat fruits. It maybe helps but it will go away as well if u go sweet:D Dont panic, it will go away , some grating is ok, but dont make it too bloody because it doesnt help, i think it only make it worse.

We re all detoxing. And it the end we will wake up in the paradise of well-beeing and never be sick again:cool:

[carolg]

Rev,
Wow, thanks for more insight about candida.

Raw Heaven,
Great victory for you.

Gotta get hubby on GSE too. Still doing fruit? Are you watching fruit and fat combination same time? Cut back on fat? Interesting....wow....

My husband's back from candida was impossible and finally he has not complained in a long time; however he has gone through NAET treatments, like acupunture plus done several Ion Cleanse baths professionally.

Thanks for this increase in wisdom.

Maybe my itchy scalp can benefit too.

Wow, gotta send my daughter this info. from EVERYONE here.

Thanks everybody.

carolg

[kristinseto]

i had exactly the same. I think it s candida. I had it for a few days. The grating only makes it worse. Taking a hot or cold shower gives some short time to breath when you re walking the walls up. Lay down take deep breaths and meditate, thats a good method to get around. But most of the time you have to go through this. If u dont grate too much it will stop in a few days. It made me crazy and now its nearly gone. The pain will wash away, there s a light at the end of the tunnel:). The last let it be 7 hours i suffered from a nonstop "cold". It makes me crazy too but its fun in comparrison to the itching. I ate much sweet fruits and the itching stopped, dont think that the only way to get rid of the itching is stopping to eat fruits. It maybe helps but it will go away as well if u go sweet:D Dont panic, it will go away , some grating is ok, but dont make it too bloody because it doesnt help, i think it only make it worse.

We re all detoxing. And it the end we will wake up in the paradise of well-beeing and never be sick again:cool:

Thank you for responding. So your was candida, but it went away and now you can eat fat and fruits with sugar and you have no problems?
I don't know why I thought that candida was forever...

The paradise of Heaven is clearly what you speak of. Yes, it will be a wonderful bliss on my chosen day. God Bless.

[kristinseto]

Thank you all so much for the advice.
I went to a wedding tonight and they had a large plate for the "food" and a tiny tiny bowl for the salad. Well, I filled up my plate with salad and many ppl comented on it. Ppl are so funny. I did also eat a piece of bread and bit of pasta.
My "cold" symtoms are getting better slowly. But MUCH better from the first day.
The itching is still crazy, but if I can get my mind on other things, then I can forget it for a while. The rash bothers me though, I hope it doesn't last long.
I will go for the GSE tomorrow. I read up on it and it seems like a good thing to have around anyhow...
Any more advice, I would love to hear it. Thank you all who have responded.

[kristinseto]

I have no idea on the nursing thing.
But, sounds like candida to me. I am dealing with it now. I couldn't figure out what the heck was wrong with me. When I went raw I actually agrivated it because, I started eating alot more fruits and raw deserts. The itchy and itchy butt got crazy making for me. The minute I quit the fruit and sugar I immediately started feeling better. It's not gone but, it's nice to have it toned down.
You can take a really easy at home test for it to see if that it. Go to this link for the instruction. So simple........I love that :)
http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html

Thank you so much for the link. I will do that tomorrow AM.
As far as you know, does the candida ever go away totally?

[raven]

I agree that a gradual transition is best while nursing. You would want to detox from things like heavy metals and pass that along in your breast milk. The itching could be die off from candida or parasites. If you're having severe symptoms, you can slow down the process. You don't have to eat SAD lifeless foods but make healthy choices which may be lightly cooked.

The candida can be eliminated but it's not that easy. It takes a rotation of herbs and not just relying on GSE alone.

Suzy

[kristinseto]

I agree that a gradual transition is best while nursing. You would want to detox from things like heavy metals and pass that along in your breast milk. The itching could be die off from candida or parasites. If you're having severe symptoms, you can slow down the process. You don't have to eat SAD lifeless foods but make healthy choices which may be lightly cooked.

The candida can be eliminated but it's not that easy. It takes a rotation of herbs and not just relying on GSE alone.

Suzy


What types of food have heavy metals?

Thank you your input Suzy.

~Kristin

[LNdolls]

If you want to continue to go raw the way you have been - cleaning out your colon will spare you and your baby many detox symptoms and problems. Colonics, enemas, salt water flushes... soaked dried fruit... get it all moving on out as fast as you are loosening it up.
Raw food will only help you and your milk.

[raven]

Kristin,

Heavy metals would more likely come from your environment, air pollution, amalgam fillings, vaccines, etc.

Suzy

[Jenifae]

This is true imo and experience. People tend to blame fruit when it's the combination of FAT and fruit.

I am overcoming candida and eliminating the fruit and sugars has given me almost instant relief from many of my symptoms, including itching. My skin still gets itchy but, not near what I was going through..........talk about going out your mind and my itchy "anus" is gone ( :o sorry). So, my symptoms are not completely gone but, I "feel so much better" I am still eating fat from nuts and avocado and not having a problem. DR. Gabriel Cousens recommends nuts and coconut oil in phase 1 Rainbow diet. Not sure about the avo's. I would highly recommend his book to educate yourself more. He's not only a MD but, has been healing people through Raw Nutrition for many years. He has a healing center in Arizona, also. I tend to trust him. His book is "Rainbow Green Live-Food Cuisine"


Thank you so much for the link. I will do that tomorrow AM.
As far as you know, does the candida ever go away totally?

As far as I know if you follow the candida cleansing diet you can rid yourself of it but, it can take several months if you have a severe case. The stronger the symptoms the more severe the case, I would assume. Dr. Cousens recommends Phase 1 & Phase 1.5 for a minimum of 3 months up to 6 months to heal it. If you relieve your symptoms but, not rid yourself it will return and return quickly from my understanding. So, a few months of refraining from high sugar foods is worth it. Sugar and Starch feeds it...............from my understanding at this point. As I learn more I will share that as well.

Nutrition is such a science..................I am fascinated and looking forward to my continue learning. :)

[Jenifae]

Benefits of using GSE.

http://www.pureliquidgold.com/benefits-of-grapefruit-seed-extract.htm

What an informative site. I LOVE IT!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

:D

[kristinseto]

Okay, I got the GSE today. I will try a bath tonight after the kiddos are in bed and hopefully the itching, rash will be somewhat better.
I still am not sure what to do about my diet. I do love the idea that OP mentioned from Fit for Life...to properly combine my fruit (eat on empty stomach), then I should have no adverse affects. Maybe I will try that first before going cold turkey with no fruit.
Thanks again everyone.

~Kristin

[mongodelight]

Thank you for responding. So your was candida, but it went away and now you can eat fat and fruits with sugar and you have no problems?
I don't know why I thought that candida was forever...

The paradise of Heaven is clearly what you speak of. Yes, it will be a wonderful bliss on my chosen day. God Bless.

It didnt totally dissappear. But it doesnt bother me because its so less andinfrequent. I combine sweet fruit and fats everyday but nearly always in smoothies or juices. I am free of it just for a few days. Maybe it will come back. I dont even want to think about this.

Edit: i did chayenne pepper or garlic every day. Maybe that helped me too.

[Revvell]

Okay, I got the GSE today. I will try a bath tonight after the kiddos are in bed and hopefully the itching, rash will be somewhat better.
I still am not sure what to do about my diet. I do love the idea that OP mentioned from Fit for Life...to properly combine my fruit (eat on empty stomach), then I should have no adverse affects. Maybe I will try that first before going cold turkey with no fruit.
Thanks again everyone.

~Kristin

Suggestion ~ try fruit with no fat. No nuts, no seeds, no avo.

[kristinseto]

Suggestion ~ try fruit with no fat. No nuts, no seeds, no avo.

I usually do prefer to eat fruit mono.
I was wise to food combining before I found RAW so that will be simple for me. Hopefully the GSE will have some effect tonight.
Thank you!

[Revvell]

What I'm saying is, no fat at all... for the day.. or even 2-3 days. It takes up to 72 hours for fat to leave the body so it may still affect you when eating sweet fruit.

Lemme know if the GSE helps.


I usually do prefer to eat fruit mono.
I was wise to food combining before I found RAW so that will be simple for me. Hopefully the GSE will have some effect tonight.
Thank you!

[kristinseto]

What I'm saying is, no fat at all... for the day.. or even 2-3 days. It takes up to 72 hours for fat to leave the body so it may still affect you when eating sweet fruit.

Lemme know if the GSE helps.


Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up :)

I will let you know about the GSE.

[Revvell]

*sits and waits impatiently; pacing the floor; looks @ the clock; paces some more....*



Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up :)

I will let you know about the GSE.

[kristinseto]

Okay, for those who are waiting to hear about the GSE. I put 6 drops in about 10 oz of water last night and downed it. Not much taste, but a little tingly and bit oily, but not too unpleasant. This AM the top half of my body is healed! Amazing! Not itchy at all, but you can see a very very very slight rash. My legs and feets still itch like crazy! I will repeat the GSE at lunch time and update you on the results tonight.
Thanks all for helping me through this journey!

~Kristin

[Revvell]

Bath?????...

[kristinseto]

Bath?????...

Didn't do the bath. I was too excited by all the new foods I picked up yesterday and was soaking and experimenting, then it was too late.
The itching wasn't that bad or I am sure I would of done the bath no matter what. I will try to make time for the bath tonight.

[Random]

Hmmmm...this has given me a lot to think about. I've just assumed that I've been dealing with hemmorhoids for the last few months. I have horrible rectal itching (sorry for the info overload!) that is fine during the day but disrupts my sleep at night. Could this be candida?

If it is, it will be a problem. I won't be raw if I have to eliminate sweet fruits. Not a chance. I could eliminate nuts and olive oil, but I feel that I need SOME fats (avocado and seeds) to make it through the day. If I had to eliminate all fats, or all fruits, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't succeed at raw. I'm still too new to this lifestyle.

I guess I'll go buy a bottle of water and try the spit test. (I usually drink tap water. Horror! ;))

[Raine]

Rectal itching and happening at night? Sounds like you need to do a parasite cleanse. I remember reading somewhere - I can't remember where - but this is one of the signs of parasites.

Please stay calm - almost all humans would worm themselves 2x a year before it became unfashionable to do so in the early 1900's. You can easily pick up parasites from meats that aren't cooked properly or fruits/vegs that haven't been washed thoroughly.



Hmmmm...this has given me a lot to think about. I've just assumed that I've been dealing with hemmorhoids for the last few months. I have horrible rectal itching (sorry for the info overload!) that is fine during the day but disrupts my sleep at night. Could this be candida?

If it is, it will be a problem. I won't be raw if I have to eliminate sweet fruits. Not a chance. I could eliminate nuts and olive oil, but I feel that I need SOME fats (avocado and seeds) to make it through the day. If I had to eliminate all fats, or all fruits, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't succeed at raw. I'm still too new to this lifestyle.

I guess I'll go buy a bottle of water and try the spit test. (I usually drink tap water. Horror! ;))