I have a small cavity forming on my front tooth.

[Bethanie]

Does anyone know if i can prevent it from continuing to grow?
Can i clean it out, i don't want to have to go to the dentist if i can fix it myslef:)
Has anyone had an expience of stopping cavities from growing?
B.

[Rrose]

I have the same problem, LOL!! I have been hesitating about going to the Dentist, too, and have been wondering the same thing. I have been just really brushing and flossing alot more and making sure I brush after each meal and also chew gum with Xylitol which is supposed to help strengthen teeth.

Someone should chime in here with other ideas, hopefully!

[fuggles]

David Wolfe sells a book on his website called nutrition and physcial degenration.

The book is entirely about tooth decay.

[Stina]

David Wolfe sells a book on his website called nutrition and physcial degenration.

The book is entirely about tooth decay.

And a very inspiring quote from the Wolfe! thanks for that :D

[Curleedst]

I would go to the dentist and get it taken care of instead of taking the cheap way out. It could progress into something worse and I would imagine you will not want to walk around with false teeth.

[snoops]

Agreed. Better a small filling now than a root canal, crowns, false tooth later.

[fuggles]

Wait, Before you get a filling, read both sides of the argument.
Dont you want a second opinion ?

All im Saying is read about how to cure teeth naturally, and if you dont want to go down that route, fine, get a filling. But dont just jump to that conclusion.

You dont have to get that book, theres plenty of articles online about it.

Maybe even the library.

Ive read it and its a non vegan book, so maybe it isnt appropriate for the forum.It talks about native tribes of Africa who naturally eat animals and drink their blood, seriously, its healthy for them, but obviously not vegan.

Ive heard goji berries can repair teeth, and magnesium and silicone, found in cacao and teas. Avoid all fruit, except certain berries and wild fruits. Look into getting vitamin K2, either found in natto, ir just get the supplement. Vitamin D is another option.

the dentist won't help ! trust us, thats why you asked on the forum. Just going to the dentist and giving away all your power to him is the easy way out !

Shazzie wrote an article about this and how someones teeth all had holes in them and she had to supplement.

[RawDancer]

I have a question about teeth too. My gums are receeding (sp?) any my teeth are becoming sensitive. Does anybody know anything about this??

[Curleedst]

I was speaking with a celebrity raw chef yesterday and he told me the enzymes in the raw food and corrode the tooth enamel which results in receding gums and rotten teeth.

I also received an article on the subject. Send me a personal message and I can forward it to you.

[symphonyx547]

I was speaking with a celebrity raw chef yesterday and he told me the enzymes in the raw food and corrode the tooth enamel which results in receding gums and rotten teeth.

I also received an article on the subject. Send me a personal message and I can forward it to you.


That doesn't make sense to me. If you're on the so called perfect diet your not going to have dental problems. Teeth are a good reflection of your overal health

[rawstrength]

Research the work of Weston A. Price. It's all about the connection between diet and dental health. David Wolfe's ebook on teeth is basically the plagarized research of Weston A. Price.

Anyway, I've heard wheatgrass juice can help with cavities. I've never had a cavity in my life, though, so I can't give advice based on personal experience. I wish you the best of luck and the best of health, no matter what route you decide to take.

[Raine]

I was speaking with a celebrity raw chef yesterday and he told me the enzymes in the raw food and corrode the tooth enamel which results in receding gums and rotten teeth.

I also received an article on the subject. Send me a personal message and I can forward it to you.

How many horses have you seen with fillings? They eat a completely raw diet and don't even brush or floss.

From my studies, tooth decay begins from the inside out due to poor nutrition. You can always try oil pulling with unrefined sesame oil and on the affected tooth use oil of oregano. Many have had good results with this.

[Curleedst]

I am not here to debate it. I have seen articles on it and if the concept is a figment of everyone's imagination no problem. Just offerring an answer to the OPs question.

While nothing is an end all be all I would not resort to home remedies on something as serious as a decaying tooth which can result in something much worse and uncomfortable.

Take care.


How many horses have you seen with fillings? They eat a completely raw diet and don't even brush or floss.

From my studies, tooth decay begins from the inside out due to poor nutrition. You can always try oil pulling with unrefined sesame oil and on the affected tooth use oil of oregano. Many have had good results with this.

[Curleedst]

I do not agree with you but to each his/her own. Just offerring a response to the OPs question.


That doesn't make sense to me. If you're on the so called perfect diet your not going to have dental problems. Teeth are a good reflection of your overal health

[symphonyx547]

I do not agree with you but to each his/her own. Just offerring a response to the OPs question.

Poor teeth is a human issue and domesticated animals. There are no animals that have very poor teeth. Something is not ideal if your teeth are rotting out your head. Just a hundred years ago when advancement in dentistry and oral health were limited people had fewer problems

[iamacranberry]

Animals can get cavities, just less often. The reason is that they do not eat the refined sugary foods that we humans eat.

[symphonyx547]

Animals can get cavities, just less often. The reason is that they do not eat the refined sugary foods that we humans eat.

That's why human's shouldn't be eatting refined foods. only fresh fruits and veggies

[Curleedst]

I do not quite understand your first sentence it is a bit incoherent.

Interesting, you really seem to be talking off the top of your head which means your analysis really isn't that deep. All of your statements below can be easily refuted but again, that is NOT the purpose of this line of discussion and not the purpose of my response to the OP.

If you have a response to me feel free to PM me instead and I can rip into you then.

Take care.


Poor teeth is a human issue and domesticated animals. There are no animals that have very poor teeth. Something is not ideal if your teeth are rotting out your head. Just a hundred years ago when advancement in dentistry and oral health were limited people had fewer problems

[Curleedst]

Either way, if one has a cavity (regardless of how it got there) then I would presume one would want to get it checked out and addressed before it progresses to something worse. Oral health is very important and receding gums and deteriorating enamel is seemingly very common among those who adopt the raw lifestyle. Not blasting the wonderful benefits of going raw just stating the obvious side effect and my personal observation of it.

I continue to strongly recommend visiting a dentist or periodontist and let them assess it and take it from there.


That's why human's shouldn't be eatting refined foods. only fresh fruits and veggies

[fuggles]

Well, sometimes the solution may have to be a non vegan one.

However, Goji berries can help. Wolfe has mentioned them in relation specifically to teeth .

the non vegan approach would be to take a mixture of cod liver oil and raw butter unpasteurised and eat that .

the raw vegan approach would be to avoid all fruit except goji berries, eat magnesium containing foods, and teas which contain silicone, and the rest of the lifestyle of a typical raw foodist with those exceptions. Avoid all citrus fruits aswell.

And someone mentioned taking the easy way out, surely visiting a dentist is taking the easy way out ??

Another approach could be oil pulling.

David wolfe says he brushes his teeth with hydrogen peroxide.

And I haven't read his book on teeth, but David Wolfe mentions calcification and too much calcium being the problem, and Weston A price's book definitely touches on that subject, and I have heard David Wolfe has plagiarised some books before. Weston A pirce mentioned a mineral which put calicum where it was needed and took it away from where it wasnt needed, and David Wolfe talks about calcium and it sounded quite similar. Obviously David Wolfe has found the vegan alternative to this, or hes trying to.

[Tea]

I was speaking with a celebrity raw chef yesterday and he told me the enzymes in the raw food and corrode the tooth enamel which results in receding gums and rotten teeth.

I also received an article on the subject. Send me a personal message and I can forward it to you.

hmmm..when I was very high raw vegan I had bleeding gums, transparent teeth, sensitive teeth and cavaties forming. What was I doing wrong? I wonder. On cooked food my teeth are healthy and strong. So odd.

[WendyLouWho]

We are working on a tooth of my dd's without filling it right away. My dentist (holistic, thank goodness) recommended MI paste for remineralizing the tooth. I clean it out and keep the decay away and put the MI paste on it once or twice a day for 10 - 15 mintues then wipe it away.

That said, it is a baby tooth and I wouldn't be so hot to lose a permanent tooth to a cavity.

[Tea]

We are working on a tooth of my dd's without filling it right away. My dentist (holistic, thank goodness) recommended MI paste for remineralizing the tooth. I clean it out and keep the decay away and put the MI paste on it once or twice a day for 10 - 15 mintues then wipe it away.

That said, it is a baby tooth and I wouldn't be so hot to lose a permanent tooth to a cavity.
I'm really interested in this MI Paste. Is it helping your dd's tooth?

[Pony500]

So, I am a little confused here--sort of highjacking from the OP's question though.... I have heard of some references to people having teeth problems being on raw, but I don't really understand it. What about people like Douglas Graham, who eats almost all fruit, is there mention of tooth decay in his circles? I am just curious and a little bit alarmed, since I have always had cavities as a kid, but now as an adult, I have had pretty good check-ups, so I really don't want to be going backward in the tooth department. I've already had numerous root canals and crowns....

Do you think brushing right after consuming all foods would help? I just don't understand, but I wonder if it is the high amount of enzymes? I would think all the greens would supply so many minerals, so I just don't understand?? You don't really hear too many raw foodists talking about tooth problems, so this is interesting.

[snoops]

I would like to hear more too. Have others had dental problems since going raw? I would not brush your teeth immediately after eating if you have had acidic foods. Like ACV. They say its like brushing your teeth with acid. Wait at least 30 minutes. Swishing with water is good just not brushing.

[Pony500]

And now, after really really enjoying adding an orange, lemon and lime to my green smoothies, I'm thinking that maybe I shouldn't be eating this combo everyday??

[Rawkinlocs]

And now, after really really enjoying adding an orange, lemon and lime to my green smoothies, I'm thinking that maybe I shouldn't be eating this combo everyday??
I've always been told that when you eat citrus that you should simply rinse your mouth with water or just drink some water and swish it around to get the acid off of your teeth. Now, they say do not brush right way after having citrus, but just rinse with water.

I think that we often do not take preventive measures such as rinsing (or drinking water) and flossing after eating. I know animals do not floss (although they probably eat things that help clean their teeth) but they probably DO drink water afterwards! ;)

But we also have to realize that, animals don't do a LOT of things that we do and we are not living completely wild and free in the wild so sometimes we, as humans, have to take measures that we probably did not or would not have to take if we were not so cultured and civilized and doing so many things that our ancestors did not. Our food is not the same either...things have changed, times have changed and we have changed. So the "animals don't do it" argument doesn't always apply to us for many different reasons.

Now, back to the subject at hand..Bethanie, YOU have to do what YOU feel is right. If you are opposed to going to traditional doctors and dentists, then see if you can find a holistic one (they DO exist) and if that is not an option then you have to decide for yourself if you want to take matters into your own hands or if you want to go on ahead and seek medical attention.

I don't think there is any harm in suggesting that someone go see someone if that person is not opposed to doing it. We all have to pick and choose our battles but there is definitely no need for arguing about this...we can all agree to disagree if you feel that not going is best or if you feel that going is best. The bottom line is that it will be Bethanie's decision in the end and a lot of great points were brought up on both sides of the fence...now SHE can decide for herself which route she wants to take.

Best to you either way Beth!

[WendyLouWho]

I'm really interested in this MI Paste. Is it helping your dd's tooth?

It appears to be! We are only on week 2, but already her sensitivity is practically gone. We are going to work on for 6 wks and go back to the dentist.

Here's a link: MI Paste (http://www.gcamerica.com/mipaste.html)

[beckx]

in traditional chinese medicine, teeth are aligned with meridians in the body, same as with pressure points on the hands and feet... so i tend to agree that this diet, if done right for you, can heal dental problems.

i had a couple of sticky spots eating SAD vegan that went away over the past several months, eating lots of greens and drinking lots of juice.

[symphonyx547]

I do not quite understand your first sentence it is a bit incoherent.

Interesting, you really seem to be talking off the top of your head which means your analysis really isn't that deep. All of your statements below can be easily refuted but again, that is NOT the purpose of this line of discussion and not the purpose of my response to the OP.

If you have a response to me feel free to PM me instead and I can rip into you then.

Take care.

Rip into me LOL another internet tuff guy lol. HAve fun with your roughting teeth and blame it on raw foods

[Rawkinlocs]

Ummm...okay. I am going to ask that Curleedst and Symphonyx547 refrain from posting to one another any further in this thread. If you have to, put one another on IGNORE (there is an "ignore feature" on this forum) and if you want to continue this, take it private to email. But we're not going to have this continuing on back and forth.

Like I said, just agree to disagree and move on to something else. This tit-for-tat stuff is NOT helping or benefiting the person who started this thread or anyone else on this forum for that matter. So again, if you want to continue on, take it off-list. More than likely I'll end up going in and doing some editing and removing things that really are not edifying but I want yall to see this first.

Thanks!

[Raine]

Rip into me LOL another internet tuff guy lol. HAve fun with your roughting teeth and blame it on raw foods

What, pray tell, is a "roughting"?

[Lelê]

I wrote a huge post and erased by mistake... *cries*

I'll re-write as soon as my son goes to bed, but I want to say that drilling may not be the only (or best) choice.

[symphonyx547]

What, pray tell, is a "roughting"?


I'm sure you don't know what that is supposed to be within the context of how it was used

[Raine]

I'm sure you don't know what that is supposed to be within the context of how it was used

Given that the word doesn't exist in the English language, the question is valid.

[Rawkinlocs]

Am I going to have to lock this thread?

Would yall PLEASE stop all the saltiness and the back and forth stuff or I will lock this up. After all, I think Bethanie has gotten enough information to help her make some sort of decision one way or another so I really have no problem closing things up here if it keeps going like this.

I'm assuming "rotting" was meant by "roughting" but again, I'm assuming. But if someone asks a question, there is no harm in that and there need not be snideness in the remark. Is there something in the air or a full moon or something that we're getting all worked up in this thread?

Now, I'm trying to ask nicely here...work with me people!

[Rrose]

CHILDREN!!!!!! ENOUGH!!!!

You are all going to brush and floss your teeth, and go to bed early tonite. Do you hear me?

[fuggles]

here it is.

I found it on the mercury amalgam forum Im on.

http://www.yourreturn.org/Treatments/Teeth/index.htm

Scroll down until you see the diagram of the teeth xray.

It is definitely possible through veganism even though he promotes animal products. both methods work, its up to you if you are a vegan or not.

Oh dear god. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnufAXAwwqc

[saxmaam]

Did we find out what "MI paste" is?

Susan

[Tea]

It appears to be! We are only on week 2, but already her sensitivity is practically gone. We are going to work on for 6 wks and go back to the dentist.

Here's a link: MI Paste (http://www.gcamerica.com/mipaste.html)

Thanks for the link!
MI is not vegan, it is derived from milk protein just so others know.
I may purchase some anyway. It has peaked my interest!

[Bethanie]

I'm so grateful for all the information, i will sift through it all and make my decision:D
I have always had trouble with cavaties in the past and really want to restore health to my teeth:D
Thank you all so much.
B.

[Curleedst]

Hi Bethanie - I am sure you will make the right choice for you.

[Bethanie]

When i didn't know any better i destroyed many of my teeth, oh i still have them but many have filling and now that i know better i'm doing better:D :D
Please don't close this post because many of us have had dental problems in the past and want to have healthy teeth now that we are eating better food and living healthier lives.
I'm so glad to read all the anwers and know about others experiences:)
I use to fear a dentist but now i've found one that is really caring to his patients but i don't want to live at his office.
If i can help restore my teeth here at home that will be great.
Thanks again to all.
B.

[HolyGuacamole]

Bethanie said, "I'm so grateful for this post and the answers."

Me too!
I thought I had cavity free teeth, but last summer when I finally and reluctantly had my wisdom teeth removed, a couple of very tiny beginnings of cavities were discovered.
I didn't know there was anything I could do about them!
I thought I just had to wait until they were gaping, excruciating holes and then have them filled. Who knew?

I'm off to buy some MI paste right now.
Thanks so much for the info.

[Bethanie]

i'm going to order some.
I'm so excited about it, i'll try as soon as possible:D
Thank you so much.
I love all the info i'm getting. And i'm glad others are getting what they need too.
Here's to keeping our TEETH FOREVER:D :D
B.

[bellamausi]

Bethanie, I also have problems with my teeth (but haven't been raw long, so it's not a raw food problem), and I read one of your posts in 2007 about oil pulling ..... how did that go? You said it helped with your gums and an abcess?

[Bethanie]

My gums are no longer sore or are they receding. It was the gums in the lower front, i'm pain free and they are pink and healthy looking.
Also my teeth feel stronger and they seem to sit tightly in their pockets, no sifting.
I also brush on occasion with cayenne pepper and it brings blood to the gums.
B.