Soy

[elikat37]

Why are soy products not included in the raw food lifestyle? This might be a silly question...

[Veganforlife]

Not a silly question. Soy is not considered raw unless you sprout it and eat it. And from what I've read, it's first off - probably genetically modified and second, very hard on the stomach as are a lot of the legumes.

There's a ton of info here as to why it's not included. Just do a search, using the green bar up top... ;)

here's a couple links:

http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html

http://www.preventdisease.com/news/articles/120106_soy.shtml

http://www.newtreatments.org/why%20are%20grains%20and%20legumes%20so%20unhealth y

[elikat37]

Thanks, Veganforlife. I tried that but nothing came up. Strange.

I tried to transition to raw recently by trying vegan first. However, I ended up eating a lot of soy products. And I think I gained weight!

Has anyone tried Ezeikial bread? It is supposed to be sprouted - is it raw?


Not a silly question. Soy is not considered raw unless you sprout it and eat it. And from what I've read, it's first off - probably genetically modified and second, very hard on the stomach as are a lot of the legumes.

There's a ton of info here as to why it's not included. Just do a search, using the green bar up top... ;)

[Veganforlife]

Ezekial bread is not "raw", but it's a good transition food if you choose that route. It's still baked. Yeah, sorry, I was trying to find soy too and nothing was coming up. 'zup w/that I wonder... :confused:

[Revvell]

'cuz it gives me hot flashes. see? :mad:

[ShantiDass]

I ate soy daily for almost 3 decades and it's one of my fav foods but it made me very ill. I haven't checked out the links that Veganforlife posted yet but there's a lot of info on soy out there now and how it's not good for you. Yes, you can gain weight on it but it also messes with your hormones which is what it did to me. I was ill for months and in and out of the hospital and they couldn't figure it out. I have a goiter and PCOS. After a lot of internet research, I found out that soy is being looked at as a factor in those. I stopped soy cold turkey when I went raw 2 1/2 months ago and the symptoms are all gone and I'm back to work fulltime.

Soy is in miso, Nama Shoyu and Bragg's Liquid Aminos. Some raw foodies use them but I can't tolerate them at all as just a little bit makes me quite ill.

I met a woman recently and she told me the story of her best friend that had cancer. I can't remember what kind - cervical? uterine? breast?- and had surgery, chemo and radiation. Was doing OK and her doc told her to add soy pills and tofu to her diet. She did but got worse and was admitted to the hospital. They thought she was going to die and then another specialist came in and went over her chart and wanted to know why she was on soy. She explained and he told her to stop it completely. She did and felt better soon after and now she's cancer free.

I'm vegan and love soy but I'm done with it. I have read it's OK to have 2-3 times a week but it's obviously not raw.

[SuzyQ]

I've read that fermented soy is the only type you should eat. (such as tempeh)
However, I know that many dispute this. I've looked into soy many times and I've read both sides. Doing research on soy can make you crave a crispy apple!

[JennaBoBenna]

I had a small amount of soy twice last week after not having any for a long time and it made me so sick! I'm a total mucous bucket! :eek:

[ShantiDass]

I've read that fermented soy is the only type you should eat. (such as tempeh)
However, I know that many dispute this. I've looked into soy many times and I've read both sides. Doing research on soy can make you crave a crispy apple!

When I first heard about it a few years ago I figured the meat and dairy boards were putting out lies and kept on eating and getting sicker and sicker. I finally had a few conversations with vegans and they showed me the light! Dang, I wanted them to be wrong!!! But, I'm so different off of soy and I also used to have chronic sinus infections and felt like the mucus queen but not since giving up soy. It's all gone.

[zima]

if tofu is a raw food?

[rawstrength]

if tofu is a raw food?

No. To make tofu, soy beans are ground, boiled, precipitated and drained. Soy beans are toxic when eaten raw, so all soy products (such as tofu) are cooked.
Welcome to this board and happy journeys!

[coco]

yikes! no soy sprouts please, they are toxic when raw! so are kale seed sprouts and kidney bean sprouts. garbanzo or chick pea sprouts have been shown to be slightly toxic when raw but those others are actually toxic.
not everything is meant to be eaten raw. take care not to poison yourself!

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1g.shtml

[Veganforlife]

yikes! no soy sprouts please, they are toxic when raw! so are kale seed sprouts and kidney bean sprouts. garbanzo or chick pea sprouts have been shown to be slightly toxic when raw but those others are actually toxic.
not everything is meant to be eaten raw. take care not to poison yourself!

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1g.shtml

I didn't know this. Thanks. I don't do soy...

[elikat37]

Thank you, this has been so helpful. I couldn't understand why I started to feel so bloated and heavier. Actually, I also read that hormones are the cause for women over 30 slowly and steadily putting on weight around our middles. So, soy can exascerbate this problem if it messes with your hormones.

My struggle with the raw plan is the embarrassing gas! I love eating raw, but the uncontrollable gas is a real issue for me (I'm in sales - can't have an "incident' during a meeting.) How have others coped with this?

[coco]

gas from veggies or gas from sprouted grains and beans? if it is the latter i think it's a pretty clear message from your body to ease off those foods at least for a while. if it's just from fruits and veg which are very simple to digest i suggest that it is a cleansing and readjusing period that will pass. be sure to chew your food very well and perhaps look into proper food combining, avoiding excess dyhydrated foods is probably a good idea too. digestive issues are messages from the body about what is optimum at the time, i think it's a good idea to listen.

as you progress with raw things will shift and change continuously. you can refine what works for you over and over again throughout these changes. add things back in and see how you do with them as you go.
this healthy path is a journey and not a destination, be prepared to have many adventures along the way!

[SuzyQ]

You might try a combination of Beano AND Gas-X for those times when you are at work. I can only eat a tiny amount of beans if I take 2 Beano & 1 Gas-X BEFORE I eat. I really cuts down the amount of gas. You probably don't want to take any of this stuff. However, if it means being comfy at work, you might want to try it. Or, just eat the offending stuff on Friday. Then only your friends and family will experience the "incident" or as I call it, aftershocks! Seriously, I hate this whole gas thing. It was so bad I couldn't go out in public. So now, I only eat cabbage and other offending things when I know I won't be going anywhere the next day, or take the Beano/Gas-X tablets. Someone mentioned pineapple has natural compounds that help break down gas. However, I haven't had any luck with it actually doing the trick.

[ShantiDass]

If you're trying to remain vegan - Beano contains fish (I think). I know it's not even vegetarian. I can't remember what's in Gas X. Of course, they are not raw but there is a vegan version of Beano if you are interested. I think they carry it a veganstore.com. Just an FYI.

I also do believe your system will adjust to the change but takes time. You might want to keep a food journal and see if you can figure out the most offending foods and work it from there.

Good luck!

[flyinion]

yikes! no soy sprouts please, they are toxic when raw! so are kale seed sprouts and kidney bean sprouts. garbanzo or chick pea sprouts have been shown to be slightly toxic when raw but those others are actually toxic.
not everything is meant to be eaten raw. take care not to poison yourself!

http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1g.shtml

Hi all (don't know if anyone remembers me, don't think I recognize many). So I have been away for a while (years) after a couple failed attempts and had recently been looking at Raw again. I had planned on just laying low for a bit as I read here again but after seeing this link I had to speak up. The reason is that link is part of a larger article debating raw vs. cooked. After reading through it I'm a bit confused now as to if I'm "wasting my time" for lack of a better way to express my thoughts. I guess I'm just trying to say I'm not really sure what to make of that article after spending a few hours reading through it (I'm not kidding, there's a lot to it if you scroll to the bottom for the other links).

[coco]

what you decide to do is entirely up to you and must be based on how you feel and how your body responds to what you give it. no book or website or advice can make up your mind for you and relying on outside soucres may be why you have failed in the past.
how do you feel when you increase the amount of raw in your diet? does it work for you, do you feel good, energized, healthy? this is the proof for you.

that site was posted exclusively for the info on bean toxicitiy. whatever else you find to read on the internet is out of anyone's control but your own. if you can use the info you find to solidify your ideas and views, that's terrific. and if you read something that challenges you and makes you want to research your view point more, then that's terrific too. you can't let one opposing view change everything you believe, there will always be opposing views to everything after all.

i personally didn't find that site anti-raw in the slightest. in fact, i found it to have a lot of info on how to make the diet work, which nutrients to pay particular attention to to ensure adequate intake and how to balance food groups to achieve that. i know this isn't important to many people but i have children and it sure is important to me! the more info the better i say.

[flyinion]

Yes I definitely felt better. That's one of the big reasons I'm looking at this again. The article was definitely useful. For one thing I learned that there are different "styles" of Raw such as mostly fruit, mostly veg, and the style that I think Alissa and her book fit more into which is the "living food" style incorporating a wide range of things from fruit, veg, sprouts, nuts, etc.

Looking at it in that context, and after some sleep :) the alarms have subsided and I realize that the site was more presenting information. It was hard to tell at the time what the author's viewpoint was. Anyway I'll go back to lurk mode for now. I guess I just needed to get my head cleared up around the info I'd read there.