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Riiiya
07-21-2008, 02:10 PM
Nice article about how cereals are processed and an interesting cereal-rat study! I will just paste the relevant part..the rest is not quite raw-oriented and i don't agree with. Here's the source though
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/dirty-secrets.html

I never ate serials- it was just non-existant back in Ukraine at some point. Here in the US people tried to convice me that it needs to be eaten and i just thought it was the biggest BS ever... it's just interesting how different you see things from a different country/environment. While nobody could imagine here (by "here" i mean just the circle of people I know, i surely can't speak for the whole state of Indiana and morever the whole US)why cereal could be not necessary or even BAD for you, for me it was somehow common sence :) i guess i wasn't "PROGRAMMED" to believe in cereal by the commercials?

Industrial Processing
Unfortunately, in modern times we have abandoned local artisanal processing in favor of factory and industrial processing, which actually destroys the nutrients in food rather than increasing them, and makes our food more difficult to digest rather than more digestible. Furthermore, industrial processing depends upon products that have a negative impact on our health, such as sugar, white flour, processed and hydrogenated oils, additives, synthetic vitamins and an extrusion processing of grains. These are the tools of the food processing industry.

Ready for breakfast? Let's have a look at the typical American breakfast of cereal, skim milk and orange juice.

Packaged Cereals
Dry breakfast cereals are produced by a process called extrusion. Cereal makers first create a slurry of the grains and then put them in a machine called an extruder. The grains are forced out of a little hole at high temperature and pressure. Depending on the shape of the hole, the grains are made into little o's, flakes, animal shapes, or shreds (as in Shredded Wheat or Triscuits), or they are puffed (as in puffed rice). A blade slices off each little flake or shape, which is then carried past a nozzle and sprayed with a coating of oil and sugar to seal off the cereal from the ravages of milk and to give it crunch.

In his book Fighting the Food Giants, Paul Stitt has tells us that the extrusion process used for these cereals destroys most of the nutrients in the grains. It destroys the fatty acids; it even destroys the chemical vitamins that are added at the end. The amino acids are rendered very toxic by this process. The amino acid lysine, a crucial nutrient, is especially denatured by extrusion. This is how all the boxed cereals are made, even the ones sold in the health food stores. They are all made in the same way and mostly in the same factories. All dry cereals that come in boxes are extruded cereals.

The only advances made in the extrusion process are those that will cut cost regardless of how these will alter the nutrient content of the product. Cereals are a multi-billion dollar business, one that has created huge fortunes.

With so many people eating breakfast cereals, you might expect to find some studies on the effect of extruded cereals on animals or humans. Yet, there are no published studies at all in the scientific literature.

The Rat Experiments
Let me tell you about two studies which were not published. The first was described by Paul Stitt who wrote about an experiment conducted by a cereal company in which four sets of rats were given special diets. One group received plain whole wheat, water and synthetic vitamins and minerals. A second group received puffed wheat (an extruded cereal), water and the same nutrient solution. A third set was given only water. A fourth set was given nothing but water and chemical nutrients. The rats that received the whole wheat lived over a year on this diet. The rats that got nothing but water and vitamins lived about two months. The animals on water alone lived about a month. But the company's own laboratory study showed that the rats given the vitamins, water and all the puffed wheat they wanted died within two weeks---they died before the rats that got no food at all. It wasn't a matter of the rats dying of malnutrition. Autopsy revealed dysfunction of the pancreas, liver and kidneys and degeneration of the nerves of the spine, all signs of insulin shock.

Results like these suggested that there was something actually very toxic in the puffed wheat itself! Proteins are very similar to certain toxins in molecular structure, and the pressure of the puffing process may produce chemical changes, which turn a nutritious grain into a poisonous substance.

Another unpublished experiment was carried out in the 1960s. Researchers at Ann Arbor University were given 18 laboratory rats. They were divided into three groups: one group received corn flakes and water; a second group was given the cardboard box that the corn flakes came in and water; the control group received rat chow and water. The rats in the control group remained in good health throughout the experiment. The rats eating the box became lethargic and eventually died of malnutrition. But the rats receiving the corn flakes and water died before the rats that were eating the box! (The last corn flake rat died the day the first box rat died.) But before death, the corn flake rats developed schizophrenic behavior, threw fits, bit each other and finally went into convulsions. The startling conclusion of this study is that there was more nourishment in the box than there was in the corn flakes.

This experiment was actually designed as a joke, but the results were far from funny. The results were never published and similar studies have not been conducted.

Most of America eats this kind of cereal. In fact, the USDA is gloating over the fact that children today get the vast majority of their important nutrients from the nutrients added to these boxed cereals.

Cereals sold in the health food stores are made by the same method. It may come as a shock to you, but these whole grain extruded cereals are probably more dangerous than those sold in the supermarket, because they are higher in protein and it is the proteins in these cereals that are so denatured by this type of processing.

There are no published studies on the effects of these extruded grains on animals or humans, but I did find one study in a literature search that described the microscopic effects of extrusion on the proteins. "Zeins," which comprise the majority of proteins in corn, are located in spherical organelles called protein bodies. During extrusion, these protein bodies are completely disrupted and deformed. The extrusion process breaks down the organelles, disperses the proteins and the proteins become toxic. When they are disrupted in this way, you have absolute chaos in your food, and it can result in a disruption of the nervous system.

tanishamarshall
07-21-2008, 02:20 PM
I use to love cereal until I turned 18... I can believe that it's really bad for us but back then I didn't have a clue.

It is amazing how long we humans can live after so much abuse to our bodies.

ShantiDass
07-21-2008, 02:34 PM
The most frightening part is the cruelty and abuse done to those poor rats.

My rats eat cereal from the grocery store all the time and they are just fine!

tanishamarshall
07-21-2008, 02:44 PM
The most frightening part is the cruelty and abuse done to those poor rats.

My rats eat cereal from the grocery store all the time and they are just fine!

I agree with you, it is bad that they use them for testing. I have been to a pet store and saw people purchase them like they were food... That is crazy...

Riiiya
07-21-2008, 02:58 PM
I agree with you, it is bad that they use them for testing. I have been to a pet store and saw people purchase them like they were food... That is crazy...


yea, some people buy them to feed their larger animals actually

Riiiya
07-21-2008, 02:59 PM
The most frightening part is the cruelty and abuse done to those poor rats.

My rats eat cereal from the grocery store all the time and they are just fine!

hmm that's interesting! it's true- stress is serious stuff..

tanishamarshall
07-21-2008, 03:07 PM
yea, some people buy them to feed their larger animals actually


I know it's sickening, it was like it was there pet's dessert or something. The employee of the store asked the customer which one they wanted and they said "Oh it dosn't matter whichever you can grab"

I've come from a SAD Meat eating diet so I guess I have been guilty of eating animals myself. I had no idea how bad they were treated though when I was eating them until after I saw the Eating video that my Mother in Law let my husband and I borrow.

Ok this is going off topic so I'll stop here. Thanks for posting the link to this info, it's helpful.

Misoi
07-21-2008, 06:26 PM
aack..This reminds me of what a teacher told me about a certain amount of rat feces being allowed in cereals.

shashibala
07-21-2008, 07:50 PM
I think that processed cereals are adding to the epidemic of childhood diabetes. Anything that has to be advertised so intensely, especially to children, must be a hoax.

VibinOnLife!
07-21-2008, 08:20 PM
aack..This reminds me of what a teacher told me about a certain amount of rat feces being allowed in cereals.

I completely forgot about this! I used to work at the US Dept of Agriculture, and it is true that they allow a certain amount of hair, rodent feces, insects, etc. in food. They consider it to be inevitable that it's going to be there.

I learned this from my boss who laughed at me because I wanted to take my lunch back when I discovered hair in it.

Wow, thanks for reminding me about this. It's another notch in my belt that keeps me away from pre-packaged foods and lots of eating out.

This is great info, because I can't remember where, but I read an article about how bad cereal is for your liver. Now that information makes more sense. I mean you know it's not really "food", but you just don't know the full extent of how poisonous it really is until you read things like this.

Thanks!

Riiiya
07-22-2008, 08:52 AM
uuuh all that stuff allowed in food... bahh i'd rather eat an occasional ant on my tomato!!! (for some B12 perheps hehe)

Veganforlife
07-22-2008, 09:04 AM
Another unpublished experiment was carried out in the 1960s. Researchers at Ann Arbor University were given 18 laboratory rats. They were divided into three groups: one group received corn flakes and water; a second group was given the cardboard box that the corn flakes came in and water; the control group received rat chow and water. The rats in the control group remained in good health throughout the experiment. The rats eating the box became lethargic and eventually died of malnutrition. But the rats receiving the corn flakes and water died before the rats that were eating the box! (The last corn flake rat died the day the first box rat died.) But before death, the corn flake rats developed schizophrenic behavior, threw fits, bit each other and finally went into convulsions. The startling conclusion of this study is that there was more nourishment in the box than there was in the corn flakes.

I have said this for years!!! That there is probably MORE nutrition in the box then the cereal itself by the time it's refined to basically nothing but a cutsie little shape! YIKES!!! :eek:

JennaBoBenna
07-22-2008, 03:08 PM
Another unpublished experiment was carried out in the 1960s. Researchers at Ann Arbor University were given 18 laboratory rats. They were divided into three groups: one group received corn flakes and water; a second group was given the cardboard box that the corn flakes came in and water; the control group received rat chow and water. The rats in the control group remained in good health throughout the experiment. The rats eating the box became lethargic and eventually died of malnutrition. But the rats receiving the corn flakes and water died before the rats that were eating the box! (The last corn flake rat died the day the first box rat died.) But before death, the corn flake rats developed schizophrenic behavior, threw fits, bit each other and finally went into convulsions. The startling conclusion of this study is that there was more nourishment in the box than there was in the corn flakes.

I have said this for years!!! That there is probably MORE nutrition in the box then the cereal itself by the time it's refined to basically nothing but a cutsie little shape! YIKES!!! :eek:

Wow.!! That's amazing! :eek: :eek:

oceanee
07-22-2008, 03:22 PM
Veganforlife~OMG I have been saying that for years too, and when I saw the study was in the 60's....hmmmmm....I realized...yeah...I was alive way back then:rolleyes: !
When I say that now I still often get that glossy glazed over look from people not sure that I am making any sense and certainly not wanting to hear it. Oh well, I keep saying it:p !
Some lines just say it all. :D ...

This is a serious issue nonetheless and a great post !
Oceanee

verseaurainbows
08-07-2008, 09:18 AM
Well i hate to burst your bubbles folks but we keep mice. Were mouse mad. But we dont buy standard mouse food. Ofc ourse theyre high raw, we give as much fruit or veg and seeds as would be natural. But mice eat grains, mainly. We therefore buy sugar and salt free cereals...the types that are simple 100% corn or wheat or rye etc...but processed. Our mice are shiny, happy, healthy and active and live to their normal lifespans. No dying after 2 weeks. So....

The experiments actually sickened me. They kept rats in cages for weeks with no food or water as a JOKE? They let them starve to death for some kind of amusement which may or may not give some kind of result?

Im not impressed, and how would they explain our mice id like to know

Riiiya
08-07-2008, 11:19 AM
thanks for your info! it's good to know and be caucious with believing different studies..!

samariah
08-09-2008, 10:23 PM
i never liked cereals. they always made me bloated/constipated. probably all the miscombulated fibers and grains, it makes sense.

rawstrength
08-10-2008, 06:29 AM
Well i hate to burst your bubbles folks but we keep mice. Were mouse mad. But we dont buy standard mouse food. Ofc ourse theyre high raw, we give as much fruit or veg and seeds as would be natural. But mice eat grains, mainly. We therefore buy sugar and salt free cereals...the types that are simple 100% corn or wheat or rye etc...but processed. Our mice are shiny, happy, healthy and active and live to their normal lifespans. No dying after 2 weeks. So....

The experiments actually sickened me. They kept rats in cages for weeks with no food or water as a JOKE? They let them starve to death for some kind of amusement which may or may not give some kind of result?

Im not impressed, and how would they explain our mice id like to know

I agree with you that the experiments were cruel and disrespectful of the value of life.
The reason your mice aren't dying after 2 weeks is because they are eating more variety and healthful foods than just processed cereals.
So, while 100% raw may be best, 80% raw (or whatever percent raw) is still way better than 100% junk food.
Boxed cereals (like soda and many other "foods") don't qualify as foods, at least from my perspective.