Need help eliminating cooked food [Archive]

raweater

05-13-2008, 08:51 PM

As I often say I eat a lot, as much as 2 or 3 "normal" people (4000-6000 calories/day) since I'm very physically active.

Having to eat this much just to satisfy my hunger makes it EXTREMELY hard to stay close to 100% raw, sometimes I'm as low as 25% raw and rarely above 75%.

I think these are my main problems:
-I find it a lot of time and work having to "cook" for a family of three just to feed myself
-It's much easier to buy a vegan frozen dinner, put it in the oven for an hours (at least I never touch a microwave!) and come back
-Lots and lots of raw recipes are very low in calories and simply not worth doing for me, I want an absolute minimum of 600-800 calories per meal (and even with that much I still need 6-9 meals a day)
-I don't prepare any food in advance, I make every meal right before eating it, this would mean "cooking" 6 to 9 times per day, I don't think I could possibly do that

My health and energy level takes a dramatic plunge when I eat cooked food and yet I keep doing it because I can't figure out how to prepare enough raw food to satisfy my insane hunger.

If anyone has any tips to help me eat more raw food please let me know, I'm truely sick of intentionally harming my health.

Thanks

raweater

05-13-2008, 08:57 PM

If this helps, here are the kind of raw foods I often make or buy:
-Strawberry milkshake (800 calories)
-Raw energy bars (200-300 calories, larabar, raw revolution, think organic, etc.)
-Ice cream (1000-2000 calories)
-Salad (1000 calories, 900 of them from 1 cup walnuts)
-Buritoes (these are about 75% raw as I use cooked wraps as I don't like using lettuce for wraps)
-Spinach cream curry (700 calories)

You can see pretty much the only things I make envolve throwing a few things in the blender or FP, and it's done. If it's more complicated than that I likely will not do it, as I eat 6-9 meals a day. They also have to contain nuts in order to provide the calories I need, every raw meal I make has lots of nuts in it.

If you could post some 1 step (ie: blend and it's done or food process and it's done), high calorie (600-800 per meal) recipes I would really appreciate it.

Thanks

lytlsprout

05-13-2008, 10:33 PM

What you'll find is once you're 100% raw for awhile you don't need to eat as much. And even if you are very active, I doubt you really need to be eating 4000+ calories a day, unless you're training for the ironman in which case, you go. But things like nuts and coconuts will be very helpful in keeping the calories up. And remember especially once you're all raw your body will tell you what it needs. So listen to it. It might take awhile for you to really hear it, with detox and all. And think of it this way, you'll get to eat a lot of deserts, because they're full of nuts and dried fruit, high calories.

raweater

05-13-2008, 10:41 PM

lytlsprout: Thanks for the reply. I've been eating raw for 2-3 years now so I'm not new to this, but when I started I wasn't physically active at the time so I easily maintained a 90-100% raw diet. It's when I started working out again that my energy needs went through the roof.

Also, I did notice how I don't need to eat as much when raw, but with the energy I spend it just has to come from somewhere, energy doesn't appear out of thin air unfortunately. I do need a minimum of 4000 calories just to satisfy my hunger, even when I'm able to maintain 90-100% raw (last summer I was about 95% raw and was eating about 5000-6000 a day).

My body also clearly tells me what to eat, that's one reason I can't make food for 2 days because whenever I'm hungry my body is often asking for something specific, that's why I make all meals individually before eating, so I can make what my body wants.

I know nuts are about my best thing to get calories, but I'd like recipes to make with nuts. I do eat nuts as is but it gets boring which is why I make simple but good recipes out of them.

Edit: About the "Once I'm 100% raw", I really don't know if I will go 100% raw, I've been about 90% raw for 3 years, and think I'd find it really hard going 100%, I do like to eat at restaurants every now and then, and of course the cooked food I unfortunately make at home.

Thanks

rawstrawberry

05-13-2008, 11:49 PM

Thats all I can say eat at least half or even 1/4 of one of these a day and you should be set.

I call it Fat Pie, all it really is fat, nuts, coconut oil, cashews etc.

Than you can focus on eating what your body needs.

You can also make pretty high calorie raw protein bars, use cacoa butter, coconut oil/butter, coconut, hemp seeds, raw hemp protein, dried fruits, green powder, nuts, nut butters etc.

So you can eat say raw lasgna with a high calorie raw bar and again you should be set.

Durian is also high in calories. Nut butters add up in calories quickly.

RS

raweater

05-14-2008, 12:16 AM

I've never made a raw cheese cake but these sort of things are normally about 3000-4000 calories so they last me about 2 days, but they often require a lot of work, I want simple recipes, I can't spend an hour making a cake every 2 days, but as I said I never made a raw cheese cake so maybe it's easier than what I'm thinking of (and by the way I absolutely **HATE** SAD cheese cake so it better be REALLY different, to me cheese and desserts just don't go togheter).

I tried making protein bars yesterday with walnuts, bananas, flax seeds, dates, vanilla and salt, they taste like banana bread!

And about the lasagna, that's way too complex, I only make that sort of thing for Christmas and stuff like that, I couldn't do a lasagna several times a week. I want recipes that are very, very simple, ideally not more than putting something in either the blender or food processor and it's done, if it's more than that I more than likely won't do it 6-9 times a day. When it starts asking for several batches of stuff like lasagna (sauce, cheese, "meat", peeling zucchini, etc.) it's simply too much time for the quantity I eat.

This is why I want simple recipes, as soon as it's just a little complex it's not something I would do 6-9 times a day. I don't mind making fancy recipes every now and then, but I need very simple recipes for my every day meals, I find it rather silly spending 30 minutes making something fancy when it's gone in 2 minutes, I'd rather have something all blended/pureed togheter in 30 seconds. Even if a recipe takes just 5 minutes to make, if I make it say 8 times a day that's still 40 minutes a day I spend "cooking", this is why I need recipes that can be made in 5 minutes, or 10 at the absolute max, and remember I don't want anything fancy, my main priority is my meals being high calorie, not the taste, texture, appearance, etc.

Thanks

Stina

05-14-2008, 12:40 AM

Hey Raweater- I think you're the one who gave me the tip on www.2-life.com where I got my vitamix and Greenstar for a great deal. Thanks!

raweater

05-14-2008, 12:40 AM

I've been looking through my approximately 10 recipe books for recipes that would meet my criteria (makable in 5 minutes, very high calories, and good enough to eat), and found a GREAT one, this is the sort of recipe I like.

I made modifications to it to reduce the cost (walnuts instead of pecans) and improve the taste (added an apple, was cinnamon only):
Apple cinnamon porridge
-1 cup walnuts
-1/4-1/2 cup water, as needed
-1 Apple
-Cinnamon, to taste
-Pinch salt

Process all ingredients in a food processor, adding enough water to get desired consistency.

This is about 1000 calories, can be made in 3-5 minutes, and tastes great! I hope others enjoy it and that it gives you an idea of the type of recipe I'm looking for.

I'm sure this one will help me eat more raw food, it's very fast, very filling, and very good.

Thanks again

raweater

05-14-2008, 12:41 AM

Hey Raweater- I think you're the one who gave me the tip on www.2-life.com where I got my vitamix and Greenstar for a great deal. Thanks!
Thanks, no problem. I got my Green Star and Easy Green sprouter from there, they have the best price.

Stina

05-14-2008, 12:49 AM

Thanks, no problem. I got my Green Star and Easy Green sprouter from there, they have the best price.

Yeah, and the owner is in Oregon like me and I was happy to support the meager Oregon economy!:p

lytlsprout

05-14-2008, 08:21 AM

well if you won't go 100% raw then you'll probably still keep having this problem. Also there's a tone of recipes in Alissa's book for good deserts. You just have to open the book, and most of easy. like her raw blueberry cheese cake, I think the whole thing takes me 10 minutes to make unless you soak the nuts to make it creamier. or the date nut torte, 5 minutes. but the reality is the difference between 90% raw and 100% raw is like night and day. so you really get to choose your problem eat 100% raw to have a hard time getting enough calories. If this is really what you want to do you should just go get some raw food books and start trying stuff. It might take more time at first but once you figure out what recipes you like that work for you it'll be worth it in the long run.

Revvell

05-14-2008, 08:23 AM

-I don't prepare any food in advance, I make every meal right before eating it, this would mean "cooking" 6 to 9 times per day, I don't think I could possibly do that

There's the answer to your question imo.

I didn't read the rest of the responses but, if you don't prepare ahead, you'll probably not succeed.

raweater

05-14-2008, 08:51 AM

well if you won't go 100% raw then you'll probably still keep having this problem. Also there's a tone of recipes in Alissa's book for good deserts. You just have to open the book, and most of easy.

The reason I eat cooked food is for time reasons, not because I'm "addicted" to it. I simply don't have enough simple recipes to make all my raw food meals. All I need are a few simple one step recipes and I should be set.

I also don't have Alissa's book yet because so few places sell it and I can't find it without excessive shipping costs (I'm in Canada).

raweater

05-14-2008, 08:53 AM

There's the answer to your question imo.

I didn't read the rest of the responses but, if you don't prepare ahead, you'll probably not succeed.

I tried to prepare ahead about one time, and got very severe food poisoning, so I'm really not tempted to try that again. Also, raw food only keeps for 3 days, so it's barely worth doing in advance, especially since I want to eat specific things and not just what happens to be in the fridge.

I'm sure a few 1 step recipes like the porridge recipe I posted will help me eliminate most of the cooked food I eat.

Thanks

Revvell

05-14-2008, 08:54 AM

I also don't have Alissa's book yet because so few places sell it and I can't find it without excessive shipping costs (I'm in Canada).

Last I heard, she's got a distributor in Canada. How about contacting her office and finding out who it is if there is still one?

Also, there are LOADS of simple recipes on this board that other people have asked for.

jacsam

05-14-2008, 09:26 AM

I wonder if getting some consultations would be of benefit to you.

raweater

05-14-2008, 09:29 AM

I wonder if getting some consultations would be of benefit to you.
Huh? What sort of consultations?

Thick

05-14-2008, 09:59 AM

Avacadoes are also really high energy density. They are great in a savory green smoothie. This is the one I like=

avacado
lime
bunch cilantro
1 clove garlic
1 serrano or jalapeno
could add spinach, too

You could make guacamole without even dirtying the blender, and add it to raw rollups or just use it as a dip.

One of my favorite simple ways to eat nuts-

bananas, sliced
walnuts-as many as you want
honey (opt)

really extra simple and cereal like

I can't wait to see others simple ideas=)

greenfeline

05-14-2008, 11:52 AM

How about nut pates? Just take some nuts, veggies & spices & process to paste. Use it as a dip or wrap filling. Also raw soups made with nut milks and/or avocados. There are too many to list but do a search for soups and pates and use your imagination.

Food prep of any kind is going to take some time unless you go the fruitarian route. Maybe make some of your meals all fruit. You can gain weight & muscle on a fruitarian diet, but you have to eat pounds & pounds of fruit.

raweater

05-14-2008, 01:33 PM

I have tons of nut pate recipes but have no idea what to do with them, and I don't like using them as a dip or like to do wraps.

About fruits, I could never satisfy my calorie needs with fruits, it would cost over $100 a day and hours and hours and hours of eating non stop, I simply cannot live like that or afford that. I need lots of nuts in my diet to keep my grocery cost down and calorie intake up.

Do you have any other ideas on using nut pates? I do have a recipe that says to spread nut pate on a nori sheet and make dehydrated crackers and so far that's my favorite way of eating pates.

Thanks

JEN

05-14-2008, 03:47 PM

Almond Ginger Pate

1 Tablespoon ginger
1 clove garlic
1/2 teaspoon sea salt (I use nama shoyu instead for asiany flavor)
1 cup almonds, dry
1 lemon’s juice
1/4 cup filtered water

Nori Rolls

2 sheets nori (raw)
1 batch Ginger Almond Pate
2 cups spinach
1/2 carrot, cut lengthwise
1 cup mung bean sprouts

Here's another one from Ani Phyo's raw cooking series.

Love the chicks pate

1 cup almonds, dry
1/2 cup sunflower seeds, dry
1/4 teaspoon sea salt
1 teaspoon tumeric
1/2 cup filtered water

Blend above ingredients in food processor.
Put in a bowl.

Spanish Scramble

1/4 cup cilantro
1/2 cup tomato, diced
2 Tablespoons scallions, chopped
1 batch Love the Chicks Pate
pinch black pepper

mix above ingredients together in a bowl and serve on top of
1/2 cup spinach leaves

Mock Chicken Salad (from maraw at therawtable.com)
This is really delicious stuffed in a large tomato or avocado.
Serves 4-6

Ingredients:
1/4 C sunflower seeds
1 C cashews
1 cucumber, peeled and seeded and cut into chunks
2 green onions, cut into smaller pieces
1 cup of pecans
1 celery stick, cut into chunks
1 tsp. dried dill
1/4 tsp. curry powder
juice of 1/2 a lemon

Preparation:
Put all ingredients in a food processor and pulse chop until everything is chopped medium to fine. Enjoy!

Raw Vegan Chocolate Pudding (also from maraw)
This is the most amazing stuff. It taste SO much better than the "real" thing. I use it for icing too. Usually, my children just lick it off and leave the cake. Oh, it makes a wonderful chocolate pie as well - just double the recipe.
Makes about 2 cups

Ingredients:
2 small ripe avocados
1/2 -3/4 C blue agave nectar
1/4 C raw cocao powder (or carob if you prefer)
2 T coconut cream concentrate( I dont have this, I use coconut oil)
1 T alcohol-free vanilla
dash of sea salt
dash of cinnamon (optional)
banana or strawberry slices for garnish

Preparation:
Place everything in a VitaMix or high-power blender or food processor and blend (on high) until very smooth. You may need your temper to move the contents a little so the motor doesn't bog down on you. Most VitaMix blenders come with one.

Keep stored in an air-tight container in the fridge - that is, if it lasts long enough to make it in to the fridge. (I have used this in a pie crust too)

Enjoy!

Ive posted some of my favorite pates/high calorie recipes that I know are already floating around here. These are pretty easy to make and tasty.
Raw cheesecake is similar to SAD and its really delicious. It has lots of nuts and is really easy to make. Crusts are usually nuts and dates processed and pressed into a dish and the filling is blended in the vitamix and poured into crust. I made one a couple nights ago. The only work is in the lemon juice. There are many recipes posted for cheesecake here. They keep very well in the freezer. I like mine topped with strawberry/rasberry sauce. Sweet potato pie is another easy one and I add macadamias or cashews to mine and a little baby coconut or coconut oil. Both are really easy to make and delicious.

Do you eat salads/greens at all??? I know they are not high calorie but they are very nutrionally satisfying. I notice that when I drink green juice I am much less hungry. I eat lots of salads and load them with everything. Pates, avocados, carrots, cucumber, zucchini, radish, sprouts, tomato, onion, bell peppers, etc. Talk about filling. The people I work with cant believe I can eat such a big salad for my size. Best of luck in your journey!!!

greenfeline

05-14-2008, 04:08 PM

I like nut pates spread on romaine leaves or collard leaves, or stuffed into hollowed tomatoes, or bell pepper halves, or spread onto hollowed cucumbers. Other than that nori rolls and dips! If you are doing romaine, collard or nori rolls you can add other ingredients such as avocado & other veggies like a sandwich wrap.

raw_danceruk

05-14-2008, 04:35 PM

Just an idea but you could do an uncooking day 1 day a week

crackers, leathers, cheeze, pates and cheesecake INTO the freezer enough to last a week

The scamble above is superb, plenty of ways to spice it up

Hope you find the answer/s you are seeking :o

iamacranberry

05-14-2008, 05:51 PM

Sprouted grains are great....or even just soaked. You can make recipes pretty similar to the cooked food you're used to, and grains are great for energy without all the fat. I can't eat too much fat or I get fatigued too easily when running.

rawstrength

05-14-2008, 09:34 PM

Raweater - have you ever tried juicing sweet potatos or yams? One cup of raw diced sweet potato has 114 calories, and yields 1/2 cup of juice. You could juice 10 cups of chopped sweet potatoes and drink a 5 cup, 1,000 calorie meal. Trust me, 5 cups of juice may sound like a lot, but it goes down really quick. Juiced sweet potatoes are so good! If you throw in an apple and some cinnamon, it tastes like dessert. You can juice sweet potatoes in your vitamix if you don't have a juicer. Just blend them until smooth, put it in two nut milk bags, and squeeze out the juice.

Also, you can chop some bananas, and pour melted raw coconut oil on top. 1/2 cup of oil easily provides 1,000 calories.

I second iamacranberry's advice about grains. I know that you have been very anti-grain in the past, but raw grains are completely different from cooked grains. Raw sprouted grains have none of the negative effects of cooked grains. Besides, if you eat too many nuts, you may develop an allergy to them. In my opinion, it is better to eat raw, sprouted grains if it helps you to stay raw than to eat cooked food. It is also better to eat raw, sprouted grains than to have too many nuts.

raweater

05-14-2008, 09:58 PM

rawstrength: I never tried sweet potato juice, but starchy foods normally cause me allergies (the only startchy food I usually eat is cooked), but I may try it and see if it affects me.

I often make 5-6 cups of juices so I'm used to drinking that much, but not all at once to avoid a sugar spike.

I totally agree that raw sprouted grains are better than cooked food, but some of my recipe books say even sprouted grains should be severely limited, but I don't have much other info on sprouted grains.

What can you do with sprouted grains? I extremely rarely sprout grains.

By the way thanks to some of the responses I just made stuffed tomatoes with a pate made with 1000 calories of walnuts/sunflower seeds and it's really great and easy to make!

Thanks

cara4art

05-14-2008, 11:16 PM

I hear you, and others here have had good suggestions for simple ways to get your calories up. If you're eating 6-9x a day, I totally understand the need for being able to throw together something fast on most days! Some of us, who are active and in the gym do need more calories even if we are trying to drop some weight, let alone put on some, just by the very nature of the workouts. So some of the denser food suggestions make a lot of sense. For me personally, right now, I need some grain in my diet, so I do stuff with sprouted buckwheat, soaked oat groats, and sprouted quinoa(which is a very high-protein grain with an excellent nutritional profile to boot). I use these in dehydrator breads and cookies, and this helps cut the fat content as well. We do need some healthy fats, but for some of us it is a tricky balance between eating a lot of fat in the form of nuts(which I could very easily do, and love nuts, but have to be careful about this), and getting enough calories to sustain hard workouts. We also don't want to feel sluggish either, which can happen if overloading on fats. Again, this is so a "your mileage may vary" situation as everyone's system is different. Yes I've heard about limiting sprouted grains, but if they work for you, do them IMO. With the exception of the oats for me, the other grains I mentioned are gluten-free which makes a difference. I think there's ways of dealing with rice too and still be raw - I just forget where I saw that though. Finding a few basic things one likes and can change up for variety is important and really helps one stick with it. After all, it's a lifestyle we want to stay with especially when the bennies kick in!
Oh, I've found that dehydrator breads and crackers keep very well in the freezer for awhile, so if you get going one day and make some dense goodies, stick what you're not going to eat over the next two days in the freezer in separate packets - then you can just take 'em out when you need em to bump up a meal.
Good luck!

Eva

05-14-2008, 11:27 PM

I do an avocado smoothie that surely has loads of calories -- it's like 5-10 soaked dates (or a couple frozen bananas), 1-2 avocados, and almond mylk. I'm sorry that I don't have accurate measurements. It's really tasty and filling, though. And yes, super quick. Just have to have the bananas frozen or dates soaked.

Hope that's helpful. Maybe you already do something like that.

Also -- just thought of this -- I do a savory green smoothie that has 2 avocados, soaked sundried tomatoes, tomatoes, greens, some soaked dates. That might be another option, although I'm not sure how many calories it has.

Eva

05-14-2008, 11:28 PM

Huh? What sort of consultations?

I think probably from one of the raw food people (like Alissa or some other long-term foodie).

I think...

raweater

05-15-2008, 08:08 PM

If you compare the cost *per calorie* of fruits and nuts, you will see nuts are easily 10 times cheaper per calorie. Don't forget that even though fruits are larger, they are about 90% water and have very little calories.

For example one tomato may be about $1 and has about 80 calories, but for $1 of nuts you can easily get 500 calories.

Thanks for the info.

debilana

05-15-2008, 09:32 PM

raw_danceruk

05-16-2008, 08:44 AM

Agreed with the above..

1kg of Banana's would give me energy to train hard of an evening, eating a lot of nuts would leave me unable to move and sleepy.

All in the balance for sure..

Banana's all the way for me...:cool:

raweater

05-17-2008, 04:59 PM

raweater-
If you could prep a huge amount of tasty grawnola that lasts approx 2 weeks, would you do it? It does take some advance prep but you can do it in stages and then toss it together and dehydrate as long as you need to (mine takes about 24 hrs give or take). All 3 of us in my house eat it about everyday and it lasts over 2 weeks. Its a great way to get some calories and nutition fast and its soooo good.

If so I will look up the recipe and share.

I'm not too sure what "grawnola" is, is it eaten with nut milks like cereal? If so, nut milks take way too much time (and waste precious calories in the pulp, I never know what to do with it) so I don't do them. If it does not require nut milk I'd be interested. Or are they bars?

Thanks

raweater

05-17-2008, 05:03 PM

I'm quite the nerd in that I've already done that. I used to have an Excel spreadsheet, but I decided it wasn't really helping me, so I deleted it. As I mentioned before, nuts may or may not actually give you the energy you need. Sure, they'll provide calories, but what good are calories that cause you to feel fatigued? Such, as I mentioned, was my case.

And...

1 kg bananas, £0.60, 700kcal, £0.00086/kcal (cost per calorie)
vs.
500g cheapest nut I could find in the store that was ACTUALLY raw, £4, 2500kcal, £0.0016/kcal

0.00086<0.0016, so:

I disagree that raw nuts are cheaper, even per calorie, than fruit. Your prices may be different, but this is what I found. Remember that most nuts in the store are NOT raw.

Also, where on Earth are you buying tomatoes for $1 a piece? I can nearly always buy at least 8 tomatoes for £1...which buys about what $1 buys there...

Well you used bananas, which are not only the cheapest fruit, but highest calorie fruit, so that's a very, very biased result. Do the same with about any other fruit and it will be very different.

Are you getting organic tomatoes? After I checked, it's even more, I pay about $1.50 PER TOMATO, is this not normal (even non organic are the same price)?

Anyway I do try to eat a lot of bananas for the above mentioned reason (low cost, high cals), but does anyone have any ideas on eating bananas? Maybe I'll start a thread about that.

raw_danceruk

05-17-2008, 05:51 PM

Grawnola

found you some info

You can eat it like cereal or just as a snack..you know like trail mix?

Nut milk-- as easy as a dollop of nut butter and water.. done. 2 minutes. no pulp to worry about, just make instant if you want it.

Heathy has a fab blog post on it http://rawgoddessheathy.blogspot.com/2008/02/grab-bowl.html

Hope thats some help anyways!!

Spraenna

05-18-2008, 11:34 AM

How about Chocolate (carob) mousse?

1 avocado
1 cup water
10 or more nuts of choice
1/2 cup carob powder or equivalent cacao nibs, ground
1/4 cup almond butter

Blend at high speed til creamy.

Spraenna

P.S Also posted a cereal recipe on the Breakfast thread that might meet
your needs.

kloe

05-20-2008, 04:20 PM

I just read through this thread and saw some really great and helpful ideas for adding calories quickly without much planning, but you seem to have found fault with most of them. :confused:
Perhaps just consider getting the LOLF book--it may surprise you and meet your needs! :o

raweater

05-20-2008, 04:34 PM

kloe: I've always been difficult with what I eat and having to eat as much as I do drives me completely insane, so I really want ultra simple recipes, but I have already tried several of the ideas posted with good results.

I already have at least 10 raw recipe books (but not Alissa's as it's impossible to find in Canada) but 80% of the recipes are WAY too low in calories to be worth doing for me, that leaves me only about 20% of the recipes to do.

Yesterday I "had" to buy a 2000 calorie frozen SAD pizza to catch up as I didn't know what to make raw. I know that harmed my health about as much as smoking 10 packs of cigarettes but it was that or die of hunger.

Thanks

raweater

05-22-2008, 05:35 PM

I am not ok eating pizza, I get quite sick when I eat it (15 minutes after I feel completely horrible as you would expect after 2000 calories of pure poison). I'm not amking excuses, I would rather not eat that, but how would I get 2000 calories of raw food with no or very little work? As far as I know it's impossible, that's why I eat crap like that when I'm really hungry and need 2000 calories at once.

I am not aware of equally cheap and quick alternatives, the day I will be aware of that I will be close to 100% raw. If you know how to make a 2000 calorie raw meal in 5 minutes please let me know ASAP.

Also, a bag of sunflower seeds is certainly a bit better, but 2000 calories of sunflower seeds at once would be an extremely unbalanced meal with about 90% of calories from fat. At least the pizza had vegetables and far less fat.

I really wish I knew of alternatives to stop eating this cooked junk that makes me very sick each time, I think it's obvious I'm not "finding excuses" when I know exactly how sick I will be 15 minutes after eating it. The reason I do it is because I have an extreme hunger (I'm now eating 5000 calories a day, not 4000 like before) so it's EXTREMELY hard to find enough raw food, and the raw food I do it normally has too much fat which is very dangerous also.

raweater

05-22-2008, 06:16 PM

I wanted to add, I didn't start eating junk like this until I started working out and needing 4000-5000 calories a day (this is my 3rd year raw even though I never went 100%), so I'm not making excuses to eat pizza as I'm well aware the pizza I ate is equivalent to smoking 6-12 packs of cigarettes in terms of how fast it kills you, I would not eat this unless it was my last resort, and I still eat those very rarely as I know how dangerous they are.

raw_danceruk

05-23-2008, 04:58 AM

Obviously for you you feel the calorie counting isnt something you can stop right now..so dude..I am determined to find the answer!!

Here goes.. I totted up one of my own post workout smoothies, 1000cals

I then worked out a coleslaw with mayo that would equal another 1000

So.. if you had a smoothie, then a few hours later coleslaw..DONE.

I really hope this helps.. I sat and plugged it all in

Coleslaw 900 cal-- depending on the amount of mayo, you could easily hit 1000

Red cabbage (3 cups shredded)
Carrots (2 cups shredded--easy)
Tomatos (300g cherry, or 1 packet)
Cucumber(1 large cuc)

Dont scrimp, plenty of it -- food processor, take you a few minutes MAX

Mayo sunflower seeds and olive oil basic I plugged in

However for mine I use some spices too-- its quick and calorific.
http://rawveganlondoner.blogspot.com/2008/05/sunday-night-fridge-clearout-quick-and.html

Okay, so for the basic Coleslaw thats 900 cal. DONE.

Post workout smoothie

1044 cals

89-7-4

Pretty awesome ratio, 19g protein!

Pineapple -- would estimate 1 small one, 350g-400g is what I normally wack in

Spinach -- 1 packet, 200-250g -- again I keep them back to back in my fridge and just use 1 post workout, a couple handfulls in the morning

2 cup Strawberries

1 cup Blueberries

3-4 Banana's

1 cup Orange juice

DONE , 5 minutes to make

Let me know what you think!!

raweater

05-23-2008, 01:14 PM

raweater

05-23-2008, 01:24 PM

I wanted to add: I don't count calories just to count calories, I count them to help stay "aligned" with the time of day, for example I don't want to end up at 9 PM with 3000 calories left to eat. I count calories only to align my calorie intake with the time of day, otherwise I often do end up having to eat 3000 calories before bed, and I need 5000 calories a day otherwise I'm starving by the end of the day.

Thanks

love6kids

05-23-2008, 01:53 PM

raw_danceruk

05-23-2008, 02:13 PM

raw_danceruk: Thanks a lot for those, I will try them with maybe a bit of modifications. The coleslaw looks really interesting, I never had coleslaw, SAD or raw, so I'll try that.

About the smoothie, this is where I'd change something, I just yesterday checked the cost of pineapples per calorie (I always look at the cost per calorie of food since I eat so much my grocery is about $1000/month just for me) and pineapples came out way to expensive per calorie for them to be something I'd buy more than on occasion, I'd rather add 2 extra bananas which have about as many calories as a whole pineapple.

Do you keep orange juice made in advance? I don't see how I'd make that in 5 minutes if I also had to make orange juice (which I normally make in my green star as it extracts much more which takes about 15 minutes for 1+ liter).

Anyway thanks for those recipes, I'll defiantely try the coleslaw and a cheaper variation of the smoothie.

Glad that was some help

Re: Smoothie
I am using Pinapple at the moment because I can get it on offer, but if they were regular price I too would sub with banana's

Maybe throw in some coconut butter??

Orange juice, either I make it in the morning or at a push buy unpasteurised OJ -- Or if you have a VITAMIX just throw in 2 navel oranges.

.. I love Coleslaw have always got that, or a big dish of Paella in the fridge..for a quick dinner, run up a sauce or throw on some mayo..done!

iamacranberry

05-23-2008, 05:11 PM

I bet if you could learn to stop counting calories and listen to your body instead you'd feel a lot better. You may find you eat less calories than the equations the doctors use say you need. For example, I can use equations like that to count what my calorie expenditure per day should theoretically be...3000 or so...but on an average, I only eat about 1600 per day. And I don't gain or lose weight. There are many more factors at play here than just those which are accounted for in fitness "experts' " equations, so I think it would be wise to keep something like that in mind.

raweater

05-23-2008, 09:26 PM

I'm not meaning to be disrespectful, but just curious, what are the activities you do that you must eat 5000 calories per day? Maybe you addressed that earlier in the thread, but I missed it. I know you mentioned weight lifting, but I still must be missing something.

Yes I do weight lifting which normally makes me eat 4000 calories a day. I do a few exercises with 200-300 lbs so it takes a lot of energy and I lift weights almost daily. On top of that I do quite a bit of biking. To make things worst, the more lean weight you gain the more you need to eat, and I've already gained 16 lbs.

raweater

05-23-2008, 09:33 PM

I don't really count calories, as I said the reason I count them is for the one and only reason of keeping my food intake aligned with the time of day, it is not me that decided I need 5000 calories, it's what my body says I need, I only listen to my body and don't count calories to know how much I should eat. As I said I count them to stay aligned with the time of day, for example I know that at 4 PM I should have eaten a minimum of 3000, if I'm behind I know to catch up, that's the one and only reason I count calories. To decide what to eat and how much, I only listen to my body.

I also would never in my right mind trust anything out of a doctor's mouth, nothing they are "taught" is true or for anyone's benefit other than the drug companies.

Also, I did for fun check how many calories I should be eating on a website and it told me something like 3000, but if I ate 3000 calories a day I'd probably be dead in 2 weeks, even if I eat 4000 instead of 5000 I'm starving by the end of the day, I need 5000 a day to satisfy my hunger, so I don't trust any "experts" or "doctors", I only listen to my body.

iamacranberry

05-24-2008, 04:57 PM

JEN

05-25-2008, 03:00 AM

Have you checked out what some of the raw body builders eat or any of Storm Taliferno's info???

rawviveyourself

05-25-2008, 04:28 AM

Search on www.rawteacher.com for the Canadians - I believe one of them is a distributor for Alissa's books - or call Kim at Alissa's office and see if she has any options.

If you like banana bread, do a banana bread smoothie - frozen banana, almond butter, cinnamon, nutmeg, filtered water. If you want to green it up, leave out the spices and throw in an avo and handful of spinach. And there's no reason why you can't eat a whole bunch of bananas or a couple of avos or a handful of nuts if you are in a pinch between meals! No rules!

If you are still so ravenous, you might want to look at enzymes. Alissa sells them in her store -- I believe there are digestive enzymes and therapeutic enzyme options. Perhaps there is an underlying issue from your pre-raw days that depleted your enzyme bank, but if you are close to all raw, you should have greater satiety after eating, even if working out so much.

Last -- are you taking a lot of coconut oil or coconut water? I've seen discussion on this board that talks about adding it for calories, and yes, it is a fat and high in calories, but it will actually help with weight LOSS and thyroid stabilization/metabolism. Lots of studies out there on what happened when farmers used coconut to livestock feed -- leaner and weighed less --- as opposed to soy and corn, which fattens livestock up.

Good luck! I wish I could give you a few of my pounds!:)

Bookish Lass

05-25-2008, 07:57 AM

Maybe higher density nutrition would mean you wouldn't have to eat so much. Have you tried juicing/blending tons of greens?

Er, is it possible you're feeding a tapeworm or something like that?

raweater

05-25-2008, 01:57 PM

Maybe higher density nutrition would mean you wouldn't have to eat so much. Have you tried juicing/blending tons of greens?

Er, is it possible you're feeding a tapeworm or something like that?
I really don't think so, as the times when I stopped working out I went back down to eating about 2000 calories a day, and my calorie intake increases proportionally with the amount of physical activity I do.

raw_danceruk

05-25-2008, 02:05 PM

I would seriously say drop Richard an email at Fruitarian Fitness

He knows his stuff.

All the worrying about getting enough food, by this time, that time-- must be a chore for you! Why not just.. EAT RAW for a month, and see the outstanding results and muscle you can build?

What do you have to loose!

raweater

05-26-2008, 02:09 AM

The problem is I have trouble making enough raw food to satisfy my hunger for a day. Again today I had a cooked pizza, but this time made it even without raw cheese (I used to add raw cheese after it was cooked as dairy becomes very deadly when cooked or pasteurized), but even raw cheese gave me health problems. I also usually have one cooked vegan burito (300 cals) from Amy's each day, since these are only 300 cals I could easily replace them, it's the 1000+ calorie meals that are hard to avoid.

At least I'm finding more and more raw recipes that are simpel and filling, but a problem with many of them is they have too much fat (I'm getting about 80% of my calories from fat which is pratically begging for a heart attack, even if it's raw).

When I started raw 3 years ago I was about 100% since I only needed 2000 calories a day, and making 2k cal/day is easy, but making 5k cal/day is something else.

I tried to contact FF but never got a reply and his site seemed dead last time I checked, do you have his contact info? Will he help me even though I'm not fruitarian and never will be?

Thanks

raw_danceruk

05-26-2008, 02:47 AM

Right.. so your saying your just too ravenous to eat raw?

I drink a litre smoothie at a time, simple and kills hunger for a good 3-4 hours.

Perhaps get in touch with some raw athletes and see whats working for them. Check out vegan Bodybuilding site..its a decent resource and has lots of rawbies.

Dont make it a chore..and it wont be..if I had to properly "uncook" after a 3 hour workout.. I wouldnt do it either.. I just put food in the blender..and fill up asap.

Think conventional thinking has to go out the window. Just eat, dont count. Eat when your truly hungry. period. EAT RAW, enjoy the freedom of NO calorie counting.

Do you have Alissas book??

Surely drinking a smoothie ..is a better option then eating a cooked pizza(and feeling wack for days after)?

raweater

05-26-2008, 03:10 AM

Actually last summer I was eating around 5000-6000 cals/day and 90% of my diet was smoothies and I was about 95% raw, but I got sick of them, I'll try giving them another try as they were a true miracle to get calories in until I just couldn't even hear "smoothie" anymore without feeling sick.

I now make raw milkshakes (600 cals macadamia nuts, 100-200 cals agave, 100-200 cals coconut oil, 100 cals strawberries, salt and green stevia to reduce needed amount of agave) but these are like 95% fat so I limit myself to one a day.

I think I'll try getting into smoothies again, and will make them better taste/consistency, I used to make them more nutritious/high calorie so the taste wasn't the best and I made them ultra thick to pack in as many calories as possible. If I put more priority on taste and texture I'm sure I won't get sick of them, or at least not as fast. I could simply drink a few more lighter ones.

Yup, I'm really going to give smoothies a 2nd chance as they were the only way I ever got 6000 cals/day while 95% raw. It's sad that I got completely sick of them, and that's since like 8 months and I still am sick of them, but I'll change my recipe and make them better. Too bad my high quality Breville blender's blade jammed and I'm now using my $20 emergency blender (yes, I do have an emergency blendeer as I cannot live without a blender and there's always something that can fail in a blender), but they have shipped me a new re-designed blade and blender jar which they say no longer has the blade jamming issue, it was the 2nd time it happened to me and they told me it happened to others also, but not with the newly redesigned blade, so it should be the last time I have that problem, I hope so as the warranty expires soon and replacement blades are about $50.

I had tried the vegan bodybuilding site but left after they all started to call me crazy for saying bread and soy cause cancer (both very true well documented facts, but they're stuck in their crazy vegan junk food world and can't accept reality, I hate that kind of vegan that essentially kills themselves to save animals... real smart aint it?).

I do not have Alissa's book but I have at least 10 raw recipe books, I don't have Alissa's as it's not available in stores here, but all others are.

Thanks for making me re-realize the power of smoothies, I think this may be just what I needed, as it reminded me of when I was 95% raw and eating even more than I eat now!

raweater

05-26-2008, 08:11 PM

Well guess what? My blender parts got in today so I was able to make a 1000 calorie smoothie at once (my $20 blender holds only about 3 cups) and I did make it lighter than I used to, I beleive I used to fit 700-800 calories in a 650 ml smoothie, I now made a 1000 calorie smoothie but it was about 1200 ml.

I think this is the ultimate solution to eliminating cooked food! I think we found it! Now instead of doing something stupid like wasting 20 minutes going to the grocery store to buy a 2000 calorie frozen pizza, wasting a ton of energy to cook that pizza, and then making myself sick and destroying my health by eating that pizza, I can make 2-3 liters of smoothies. It may take longer to consume but at least it's far from being as stupid.

Thanks so much for making me re realize the power of smoothies, I hadn't made one in like 8 months with 1-2 rare exceptions!