Crohn's sufferers?

[kiwilorne]

Hi

I am wondering if there are any other Crohn's sufferers on the site.

I have been ill for 11 years now and have had a portion of my bowel removed. I am partially raw, breakfast and lunch.

Could you share your raw stories with me and how it has impacted your journey with Crohn's? I guess I need a little reassurance I am doing the right thing in persuing raw...

Lorne:)

[NoniPixie]

I'm sorry but i don't know anything about raw and crohnes together, I haven't had any personal experience to share. I'm posting back because a good friend of the family whos very young was diagnosed awhile back and was on pounds of meds a day for it. now i think he's doing some sort of therapy where they pump his body full of I don't know what about every month. i'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Anyway.... he's one of those people who doesn't even think that maybe his diet might be affecting his digestional track. I can't just start rambling on about raw foods or even healthier foods without him thinking i'm absolutely nuts. Anyway, i was hoping maybe you could share how raw came to your attention and maybe how i could approach him. Also share any success you might of had so far.

As for the question you asked regarding support on whether or not raw is the right decision for you... all I can say is that if life brought you to this place at this exact time then I'm sure there's a reason for it. Try to listen to what your body is telling you ... and if you've had crohnes for 11 years i think it might be yelling at this point : ) einstein said that the very definition of insanity is doing something over and over and expecting different results. maybe it's time for you to try something different. Remember to do what feels best for you no matter what advice someone gives you, and to not be too hard on yourself. If you're unsure about going raw with this particular dis-ease then just try to ease into it. pay attention to the foods that make you feel better and just incorporate more of those. I always have to remind myself that success is circular. I'm sure you're going to have an incredible journey of healing. and i'm sure i can speak for the rest of the people on this sight when i say we're all here for ya!!

much light to you
spiral out

[Eva]

I do NOT have Crohn's, but I have a history of ulcers. I found all my stomach issues (ulcer + general digestive) healed on raw. TOTALLY. Then I decided right around New Year's to have something non raw, had 1 glass of wine, other foods for the next two days... And I was back to the usual ick.

I heard about a book called "Self Healing Colitis and Crohn's" and got it. It explains a LOT about how they're similar and how to (completely) heal through this particular diet (which IS raw vegan). It also helped me to understand about why certain foods had been a problem that I didn't realize. I have completed the healing phase from the first part of the book, and now I can have any (raw) food without problems -- including lots of onions, cayenne, etc., which were not even an option in my difficult times.

I actually would recommend this book for anyone who has IBS, an ulcer, Colitis or Crohn's. He says the same foods and healing process can help get rid of all of those problems.

If it's helpful and you're interested, the book is here on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Colitis-Crohns-David-Klein/dp/0971752613/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206535590&sr=8-7

Good luck!

[carolg]

My daughter has Crohn's for about 8 months now and Irritable Bowel Disease. She has been flying into CO and going for NAET treatments (allergy elimination) as well as acupuncture. www.red-white.net you can read more about it. Not all practioners are created equal and they see 100+ patients per week for all problems. They believe allergies are the culprit. People from all over the US fly or dry in. The wait to get in usually is 3 months. Reasonably priced too. My daughter has two weeks of treatments when she comes in (about 20 treatments and will be back for more in July). She is doing so much better as well. She is still having a hard time eating raw so she is taking it slow in that regard. Sadly she doesn't value and feels all she can eat without pain is chicken and fish. I can't see her ever as vegan. She does love raw fruits/veggies, but like said hard to consume but a little still. Gradually she will be working her way back to more. The practioner doesn't believe in vegan diet sadly, but she believes my daughter will be back to eating as she desires. Right now it is a slow process, but working.

David Klein, livingnutrition.com, has helped many and has forum online.

She is only taking probiotics and no other supplementation.

She is also taking Ion cleanse bathes 2x week when here. Again, not all machines are created equal or even the practioner changing the plates as often as should be. She experienced this in her own town.

Feel well all. Glad results are being seen through raw, but for my daughter she was deathly ill eating raw or even all raw or even having 3 days of green veggie drinks. She is being super careful.

Eva, thanks for book iinfo.

carolg

[carolg]

Eva,
Wow, that's David Klein's book. He has forum at www.livingnutrition.com. He is fabulous. He is genuine to see people healed. You may want to visit him and let him know how you feel about the book. He has helped tons of people.

"Self Healing Colitis and Crohn's" is his book and my daughter has that one too. I don't know to what extent she is following it as I don't have it. You can order book directly from him too at website.

I do believe in David. Paul Nison I believe got lots of insight from him. I think they think today a little different. I can't remember if the difference is one believes in probiotics and one doesn't or maybe the juicing aspect. I can't say.

Best to all your folks. Eva thanks for sharing. Super helpful.

carolg

[Eva]

Wow Carol!

I didn't even make that connection!! I bet your daughter really, really would have to benefit if she followed his book to the "t"! The first 2/3 or so is really just articles with info. It's the last part of the book that explains what to do.

I think I could totally see someone not making it to the last part if they're not into the info in those articles.

That is so neat that he has a forum. He has so much knowledge about healing. It was clear in reading his book the love and compassion that is there to see others heal from these various IBD-related issues. So many people with Crohn's, ulcers, etc. would benefit from that! :)

[Care4raw]

Eva,
Wow, that's David Klein's book. He has forum at www.livingnutrition.com. He is fabulous. He is genuine to see people healed. You may want to visit him and let him know how you feel about the book. He has helped tons of people.

"Self Healing Colitis and Crohn's" is his book and my daughter has that one too. I don't know to what extent she is following it as I don't have it. You can order book directly from him too at website.

I do believe in David. Paul Nison I believe got lots of insight from him. I think they think today a little different. I can't remember if the difference is one believes in probiotics and one doesn't or maybe the juicing aspect. I can't say.

Best to all your folks. Eva thanks for sharing. Super helpful.

carolg

Hi Carolg,

I was wondering why your daughter got ill with all raw? Any ideas?

My dear friend has very severe Crohns . i just ordered David Kleins book for her. She is so sick, had many surgeries and is pretty hesistant to try new things.I want to make sure this suggestion is right for her. I know she will not agree to go raw as it is the oppicite of what she is advised to do, However, i figured you never know. Its pretty bad now.

My other question is I am surfing for the David Klein 'forums' and can't find it? I found his site, etc.. but not the forums??? Can you please provide me with a link for that?

I hope many people respond to this thread, I really want to know how to help her.

Thanks!

[Care4raw]

oops, Caorlg, over looked the link you provided. Thanks, I found the forum. .

[kiwilorne]

It nice to see a conversation going on this topic. Thanks for sharing your own experiences or that of your family members.

[carolg]

Eva,
Sure would benefit my daughter is she listened to others besides being so stubborn to change. Now today her neighbor brought over tea. I didn't dare ask if it had caffeine in it. She reads enough to question and I either. She is having this special test run for $300, another stool test, but very comprehensive with insurance company footing the bill to see where her numbers were before and now with the NAET treatments. There are only two labs in the nation that do this and it takes 2 weeks to come back. They are testing further for parasites. I don't have the test date yet.

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David Klein forum link:
http://www.livingnutrition.com/lnforum/index.php

His website, www.livingnutrition.com is great too.

He is a super great guy-he has a heart of gold and not driven by $.

Care4:
My daughter didn't get sick on raw foods, initially but got sick on the diet she previously followed. When she tried the 3 day green drink juice fast it was too harsh on her body. She was in a very chronic state at that point hardly able to eat anything, plus losing close to 25 pounds, pains all the time, taking care of her 3 year old active child, plus no form of stress relief as I see it (i.e. yoga, exercise, etc.). She is starting to include some raw foods in her diet, but very carefully. Other day she didn't tell me but son did say, she got sick when eating at Red Lobster. I don't know what she ate, but she knows we don't encourage animal products. It's not a new thing for her to know us as she grew up seeing vegan, plant based most of her life when growing up and continues today. I'm a believer "when the student is ready the teacher will appear."

carolg

[carolg]

Just posted an update for my daughter's blood work from yesterday. Started new thread. http://rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?t=39754

carolg

[michigan roman]

im 49 , been vegan 15 years . 29 months ago i went raw , before that i was a whole food vegan . and even though i was eating how i thought to be very healthfully about 5 years ago i got IBS . i speculate on chlorinated water / dish soap / pesticides on foods / a totally cooked food diet with minimal raw til age 33 then when going vegan still eating 85% cooked / preservatives / plastic food holders like tupperware and pop bottles / anti biotics etc as being the causes .

and over past 5 years ive spent thousands on herbs / suppliments / doctors / medicines , had all the tests , and've tried MANY different diets . and ive reached this current strategy =

..........................................RAW AND RICH LIQUID DIET .............................................

its like our g.i. tracts are saturated with garbage that our cells cant burn as fuel or utilize for growth , so it builds up and lays there in and around the g.i. tract making those cells weakly , kinda like suffocating them . the weakly cells start to die off and get raw , like falling on cement and scraping your knee raw . well solid food keeps irritating the raw cells / tract . so get on a raw rich liquid diet to give the raw cells a break from the abrasive solids , while still totally supplying your cells with all the rebuilding materials they need . and also with no solids in the tract the body has more energy from not having to digest the solids , plus the empty tract opends up an evacuation pathway for diseased cells to be carried to in order to be flushed out . where as if on solids this pathway would be already full and not as able to remove pollution / toxins .

on this diet im believing nut and seeds milks are a good thing , ecspecially almond milk for its alkalizing / soothing affects . pineapple for me is also soothing . and ive even found the acidic V8 type juice of tomato - onion - greenpepper - celery to feel very good on my raw tract , its like i need the raw C from the tomato and pepper .

i dont know what kleins saying but i guess im gonna pay the 25 to see in order to find out what foods hes suggesting , but beyond that i wont change from my raw rich liquid diet outlook . the rich / nuts / seeds in order to give me the strength to daily function .

and salt and coffee are both corrosive so kiss those ' drugs ' good bye :p :D

YOUVE GOTTA REINVENT YOURSELF WITH THIS AILMENT ,
BUT IF YOUR VICTORIOUS THE NEW REMODELED YOU IS BETTER
THAN THE OLD WRONGLY EATING ONE SO YOU WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool: :)

ps - im using a blender and strainer to make the nut milks and juices . a paint filter bag too . i got a 5 gallon size paint filter bag at home depot and line a big 3 gallon pot with it into which i pour whatever ive blended up in ordrer to strain out the solids . with fruit and vegis i add like 1/3 blender of water before blending . and ive just a cheap blender .

* also i forgot to add ' LONG TERM ' to raw rich diet , its a habit change .
not a quick fix .


LONG TERM RAW AND RICH LIQUID DIET

[carolg]

Michigan,
Thanks for sharing.

I do believe the investment to David Klein's book will be worthwhile. You not only support him, but he's super available for you too. He has the forum as additional bonus.

I was wondering about coconut water being good for you to drink too? I take it from the coconut and use my Coconut Knife which I posted link for on this list.

My daughter has read and not saying she's following 7-day detox miracle. She got her holistic practioner there who just ran blood tests by this link:

www.fxmed.com

http://www.functionalmedicine.org/

Find practioner link is there too

She is taking probiotics only at moment.

I know it's a journey and not everyone can shed cooked foods, but they can incorporate more raw for sure till they get to the level they can live with.

Feel well and make this a painFREEDOM day.

carolg

[carolg]

My daughter is back in CO for more NAET treatments with acupuncture for IBD, not "s" and Crohns. She doesn't get in any form of prayer/meditation or exercise. She is now sleeping for about 90 minutes. She doesn't confide in me much, her choice, at 36. She is super low energy and probably lots of life that way, but now even more than ever. She's like a zombie without any drugs. NAET is about allergy elimination which she was tested for and shows tons of then which is not uncommon as I have tons I recently found out through same test but not symptoms.

She has 3 bacteria that were diagnosed April. I may have shared but going to share again. She saw a holistic oriented dr., think gastro dr., and lab for $500+ came back with these bacterias:

Klebsiella Pneumoniae

Morganella Morganii

Proteus miravillis
=

Not absorbing acidoph.

Tests recommended medical treatment route or alternative. She choose alternative and it again messed her up.

She has IBD which is worst then IBS also.

She is a high stress personality type of person.

Looking for ideas/suggestions here.

Thanks.

www.red-white.net has info. about NAET where she is going.

Oh, ion cleansing baths 2x weeks she's doing here too.

She's in Arlington, TX area.

carolg