View Full Version : For advanced raw vegans: death?
03-19-2008, 11:22 PM
This topic's a bit unusual but the question has passed through my head in the past few months. Many raw vegans who have done a fair amount of detoxing claim to feel a stronger connection to the world, the earth, their bodies. Some report more vivid dreams and even improved ESP capabilities.
Assuming becoming raw does do all these great things and more, then, what do raw vegans think of death? Is it something to be feared? Is it a peaceful transition? Is there some spiritual other side or do they just rot away in the earth? The connection between our bodies and the earth fascinates me. Life in general fascinates me, and I also realize I'm not appreciating it as much as I'd like (hence the quest for raw). I know many long-term meditators don't fear death -- it's just another transition. Nothing to be feared, nothing to run away from.
Anyway, fascinating subject to me that for some reason has been plaguing my idle thoughts for a while now.
You might find the James Ray interview from Bill Harris (TheMastersOfTheSecret.com) interesting, along with many of the 'Theatre of The Mind' podcasts by Kelly Howell (www.theatreofthemind.com/podcasts.asp?PodCastSort=Date). All of these resources are free and contain some fascinating stuff.
Personally, I do not fear death at all, as I believe it is not the end but just a transition from one state to another.
03-19-2008, 11:59 PM
But what is the next state? Is it a form of consciousness? Heaven? Elysium? Valhalla? Hades?
03-20-2008, 01:02 AM
As in the world's other religions, the Bahá'í concept of life after death is deeply integrated into teachings about the nature of the soul and the purpose of this earthly life.
Bahá'u'lláh confirmed the existence of a separate, rational soul for every human. In this life, He said, the soul is related to the physical body. It provides the underlying animation for the body and is our real self.
Although undetectable by physical instruments, the soul shows itself through the qualities of character that we associate with each person. The soul is the focal point for love and compassion, for faith and courage, and for other such "human" qualities that cannot be explained solely by thinking of a human being as an animal or as a sophisticated organic machine.
The soul does not die; it endures everlastingly. When the human body dies, the soul is freed from ties with the physical body and the surrounding physical world and begins its progress through the spiritual world. Bahá'ís understand the spiritual world to be a timeless and placeless extension of our own universe--and not some physically remote or removed place.
Entry into the next life has the potential to bring great joy. Bahá'u'lláh likened death to the process of birth. He explains: "The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother."
The analogy to the womb in many ways summarizes the Bahá'í view of earthly existence. Just as the womb constitutes an important place for a person's initial physical development, the physical world provides the matrix for the development of the individual soul. Accordingly, Bahá'ís view life as a sort of workshop, where one can develop and perfect those qualities which will be needed in the next life.
"Know thou, of a truth, that if the soul of man hath walked in the ways of God, it will, assuredly return and be gathered to the glory of the Beloved," Bahá'u'lláh wrote. "By the righteousness of God! It shall attain a station such as no pen can depict, or tongue can describe."
In the final analysis, heaven can be seen partly as a state of nearness to God; hell is a state of remoteness from God. Each state follows as a natural consequence of individual efforts, or the lack thereof, to develop spiritually. The key to spiritual progress is to follow the path outlined by the Manifestations of God.
Beyond this, the exact nature of the afterlife remains a mystery. "The nature of the soul after death can never be described," Bahá'u'lláh writes.
03-20-2008, 01:07 AM
Google Peter Ragnar! Amazing empowering stuff! He has an audio called 'If You're Conscious, How Can You Die?' and he talks about how it should be possible to actually live forever! He lives on a strict diet of raw foods and juices and has spent a lifetime studying the relationship between the body and the mind at all levels.
03-20-2008, 01:36 AM
I KNOW summa yall are gonna loathe (or get really pissed at) me for this...but I can just see that a discussion such as this is gonna turn into a religious debate because we have people here who believe in ALL walks and paths and faiths, etc.. But Alissa does not want religious discussions here so while, futureboy, this is a great topic...I'm just feeling like it's gonna "go there" and become one of "those" discussions.
I am Christian so yall KNOW I have thoughts on this...but hey, this forum belongs not to me and religion is just not open for discussion (YES futureboy, I KNOW you didn't start it out as a topic of religion but it's gonna turn INTO that...trust me...I know...I've been on this forum for a long time and I've seen it all before)
So, I'm gonna close this up...sorry...try not to take it personal ('cause it's NOT personal) and just maybe try one of those other forums that don't sweat religion being discussed to get the answers you seek. I'm just doing what I know I'm expected to do with such a topic as this. At least I'm closing and not deleting so you can look into the links provided and perhaps email those who replied for more off-list discussion on this...maybe someone may even start up a Yahoo group for this topic - Raw fooders and Death...what do YOU believe?" or something like it.
Yeah, yeah...I know..."BOOOO Rawkinlocs..boooo Raw Food Talk for censoring, blah blah blah." Yeah.
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