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walnutty
01-22-2008, 06:47 PM
Obesity operation may cure diabetes in many

Surgery patients 5 times more likely to see disease disappear, study says

By Carla K. Johnson of the Associated Press

CHICAGO - A new study gives the strongest evidence yet that obesity surgery can cure diabetes.

Patients who had surgery to reduce the size of their stomachs were five times more likely to see their diabetes disappear over the next two years than were patients who had standard diabetes care, according to Australian researchers.

Most of the surgery patients were able to stop taking diabetes drugs and achieve normal blood tests.

“It’s the best therapy for diabetes that we have today, and it’s very low risk,” said the study’s lead author, Dr. John Dixon of Monash University Medical School in Melbourne, Australia. (Walnutty added bold, underline and red type)

The patients had stomach band surgery, a procedure more common in Australia than in the United States, where gastric bypass surgery, or stomach stapling, predominates.

Gastric bypass is even more effective against diabetes, achieving remission in a matter of days or a month, said Dr. David Cummings, who wrote an accompanying editorial in the journal but was not involved in the study.

“We have traditionally considered diabetes to be a chronic, progressive disease,” said Cummings of the University of Washington in Seattle. “But these operations really do represent a realistic hope for curing most patients.”

Diabetes experts who read the study said surgery should be considered for some obese patients, but more research is needed to see how long results last and which patients benefit most. Surgery risks should be weighed against diabetes drug side effects and the long-term risks of diabetes itself, they said.

The diabetes benefits of weight-loss surgery were known, but the Australian study in Wednesday’s Journal of the American Medical Association is the first of its kind to compare diabetes in patients randomly assigned to surgery or standard care. Scientists consider randomized studies to yield the highest-quality evidence.

The study involved 55 patients, so experts will be looking for results of larger experiments under way.

'New way of thinking about diabetes'

“Few studies really qualify as being a landmark study. This one is,” said Dr. Philip Schauer, who was not involved in the Australian research but leads a Cleveland Clinic study that is recruiting 150 obese people with diabetes to compare two types of surgery and standard medical care.

“This opens an entirely new way of thinking about diabetes.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22787261/

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Unbelievable! I had diabetes for 10 years. Within 2 weeks eating 100% raw foods I was off of my oral mediation, blood sugars were normal and were even low at times. I can't believe anyone would promote someone undergoing invasive surgery rather than change their eating habits. Unbelievable!

joon4yu
01-22-2008, 06:56 PM
I Had The Surgery In 06, My Sister In 05. She Was Able To Stop Her Medication Before She Left The Hospital. Me-not, It Didn't Happen But I Was Able To Reduce The Amount Of Medication. Since Going Raw, I Was Able To Stop My Medication For A Few Days. I Must Have Eaten Something That Night And Has To Use My Medication The Next A.m. I Was Upset Because I Want Off All Medications For High Bloodpressure And Diabetes. So It Does Work For Some And My Surgeon Stated He Don't Know Why It Works To Stop Diabetes. The Raw Is The Way To Go. I Agree, They Should Promote This Way Of Living. But They Know A Lot Of People Won't Do This, Too Drastic Of A Change For Some.

mel_s12
01-22-2008, 07:49 PM
I Had The Surgery In 06, My Sister In 05. She Was Able To Stop Her Medication Before She Left The Hospital. Me-not, It Didn't Happen But I Was Able To Reduce The Amount Of Medication. Since Going Raw, I Was Able To Stop My Medication For A Few Days. I Must Have Eaten Something That Night And Has To Use My Medication The Next A.m. I Was Upset Because I Want Off All Medications For High Bloodpressure And Diabetes. So It Does Work For Some And My Surgeon Stated He Don't Know Why It Works To Stop Diabetes. The Raw Is The Way To Go. I Agree, They Should Promote This Way Of Living. But They Know A Lot Of People Won't Do This, Too Drastic Of A Change For Some.

Ay carumba..

Too drastic of a change??? And surgery isn't drastic?
What is this world coming to?

I hear these words all the time about raw food ... 'drastic, radical, hardcore, strict, ... ' And it is NONE of these words. I feel so sorry for people who have not discovered life with raw food.

That article made me sad. The best treatment/cure/prevention for diabetes is a diet rich in fruits and vegetables (aka. raw). I'm sad that a lot of people don't even know that one of their options is to simply eat better and their diseases/deficiencies will go away. They think they need to resort to surgery or else. Then what.. then they will continue eating how they ate before and lead their past lifestyle only to have these problems come back again.

Authenticme
01-22-2008, 07:53 PM
Am I wrong or is that article completely misleading? It isn't SURGERY that cures diabetes, it's the drastic reduction in weight that cures diabetes. The surgery is just a means to an end.

That article was one big advertisement for an expensive medical procedure.

Ugh! Makes me so mad.

Riiiya
01-22-2008, 08:20 PM
this makes me sick >:( people who don't put much thought into what they're reading will just take this as great news..........argh. These guys just want people to feel like we have NO PERSONAL POWER to heal ourselves

Morn
01-22-2008, 09:24 PM
Am I wrong or is that article completely misleading? It isn't SURGERY that cures diabetes, it's the drastic reduction in weight that cures diabetes. The surgery is just a means to an end.

That article was one big advertisement for an expensive medical procedure.

Ugh! Makes me so mad.

point well made. I was thinking the same thing!

Anastazia
01-22-2008, 09:32 PM
It would be great to have a copy of this article, & then TONS of pages of testimonies of people who've reversed their diabetes {& everything else RAW heals!} by getting back to REAL food!!! I'd go to the meetings for diabetics & give everyone a copy!!!

Yea, it's a very misleading article...& sad. Even if I'd never been led to raw, I'd NEVER consider the surgery, even for a minute. Ain't worth risking DYING over, never mind all the other side affects.

My cousins got it, so I know it helps, some (though it didn't take off all their weight, & over the years, they gained a fair amount back...) but man, the side affects are so gross...worse than those chips with Olestra in 'em that say on the label, "May cause anal leakage"!!!!

Thanks for sharing.
~Anastazia~

blaqberry
01-22-2008, 09:40 PM
Double "ughh" :/ ...that's almost enough to make one run round in circles screaming.

Let me rub my eyes and blink a few times. Maybe I read this wrong...

mykidzrkute
01-22-2008, 11:05 PM
It's only a matter of time until this research gets approved and then our hard working tax dollars are paying for medicaid patients to have this surgery done to cure their diabetes. I know, that is a terrible way to think, but in my line of work i see so many things like this happen when there is an honest to goodness better way to approach thing. The truth is people are just to lazy to try.

Joon i loved that all your words were capitalized!

juliebove
01-22-2008, 11:21 PM
This kind of stuff makes me really angry. To date, nothing cures diabetes. And not all diabetics are obese!

walnutty
01-22-2008, 11:21 PM
mykidzrkute and all other Americans,

Medicaid will cover this surgery for people that are 100 pounds overweight or more. I guess they figure that all the other problems obesity causes cost far more than the surgery.

Insanity!!!

Tirza
01-23-2008, 11:46 AM
mykidzrkute and all other Americans,

Medicaid will cover this surgery for people that are 100 pounds overweight or more. I guess they figure that all the other problems obesity causes cost far more than the surgery.

Insanity!!!

You have to admit there's a point to that though. Kind of like prevention.

Yana
01-23-2008, 11:55 AM
OF course I agree with eveything said, but i just wanted to make a small point regarding Medicaid. It may be difficult for those on it to begin and make a smooth transition into a raw diet without being able to afford any of the expensive items, let alone all that fresh produce when most likley having to feed a family. So for those Medicaid recipients whom are obese a surgery may be the only option when experiencing deteriorating health and diabetes.

MiahTay
01-23-2008, 11:56 AM
The thing that they fail to mention in the news story ... if I am not mistaken these types of surgery ALSO require you to change your diet and it wouldn't surprise me if THAT is what is making the change and not the surgery. And mykidzrcute - that was EXACTLY what I said last night when I saw it on tv "well, there's one more thing we'll be paying for". Ugh!

Heather

Yana
01-23-2008, 12:02 PM
Exactly, Miahtay!! :D

I came back to post something similar about eating habits aspect and that maybe we all collectively should sent letters/faxes/emails presenting our opinions on the despicable manner in which they have given advertisment to this INVASIVE, not without RISK, medical procedure.

MiahTay
01-23-2008, 12:40 PM
This kind of stuff makes me really angry. To date, nothing cures diabetes. And not all diabetics are obese!

Please don't be offended or upset and please don't say that NOTHING cures diabetes as there are people after making diet change have been able to STOP medication and have blood sugar NORMAL (I believe Walnutty stated he was able to stop medication). And I don't believe anybody was saying that ALL diabetics are obese we were just saying that once again the medical community chooses surgery instead of lifestyle change. Disappointing. Below, I have shown the definition for the word "cure" and if you look at 2. if they can call a drug a CURE surly we can call raw foods a cure. Please don't get upset with me but I have learned in life that there are VERY few things with hard and fast rules.


Marion Webster Dictionary for the word "CURE"

1 a: spiritual charge : care b: pastoral charge of a parish
2 a: recovery or relief from a disease b: something (as a drug or treatment) that cures a disease c: a course or period of treatment d: spa
3: a complete or permanent solution or remedy <seeking a cure for unemployment>
4: a process or method of curing

Heather

greenday
01-23-2008, 01:09 PM
I saw this headline too and just sat here shaking my head. I didn't even have the heart to post it, so glad you did! My very next thought was -- OK, so this is very, very BAD, but what it REALLY means is that WE, ALL OF US, are desperately needed to help! Be the solution, teach others. It starts with one person. Me. You.

SharonC
01-23-2008, 01:11 PM
Dr. Fuhrman Cures Diabetes - But Drug Companies Object

This is great - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46_GInjBeQU

veeg
01-23-2008, 02:32 PM
Somebody I work with just had the surgery.
As part of her recovery she had to eliminate meat from her diet (temporarily I think) and is only eating pureed veggies. When she told me this I was thinking that she'd probably lose weight making those changes without the surgery!
Crazy Stuff!

walnutty
01-23-2008, 02:42 PM
Please don't be offended or upset and please don't say that NOTHING cures diabetes as there are people after making diet change have been able to STOP medication and have blood sugar NORMAL (I believe Walnutty stated he was able to stop medication).

Ha ha ha... Walnutty is a 40 something mom...so definetely a female. But, YES, within 2 weeks of being 100% raw I was off of my oral medication and had normal to low blood sugar readings. This was while eating plenty of fruit even. One morning I juiced 10 organic oranges. It was 5 cups of fresh orange juice. 45 minutes after drinking the juice I had a blood sugar reading of 105. One hour after drinking the juice I had a blood sugar reading of 98. 1.5 hours after drinking the juice I had a blood sugar reading of 92. Completely normal!!! Curing diabetes with a raw food lifestyle? YES!

MiahTay
01-23-2008, 02:49 PM
LOL! After I posted "he" I thought about it and just giggled a little and figured I was probably wrong - sorry! Thank you SO much for your words of encouragement and I have met others and heard them speak about having normal blood sugar readings after switching to a raw foods diet. When you share these things it is very inspiring.

Heather

maui_butterfly
01-23-2008, 04:37 PM
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[B][COLOR="Red"]“It’s the best therapy for diabetes that we have today, and it’s very low risk,” said the study’s lead author, Dr. John Dixon of Monash University Medical School in Melbourne, Australia. (Walnutty added bold, underline and red type)


"It's the best therapy for diabetes that we are willing to examine from our limited, shortsighted, extremely narrowminded and self-serving viewpoints," said the study's lead author...

Authenticme
01-23-2008, 07:44 PM
"It's the best therapy for diabetes that we are willing to examine from our limited, shortsighted, extremely narrowminded and self-serving viewpoints," said the study's lead author...

I can think of a few self serving industries benefiting from that kind of hype and misinformation..

Ugh! Dont get me started!!:mad:

Cabosun
01-24-2008, 04:34 AM
This kind of stuff makes me really angry. To date, nothing cures diabetes. And not all diabetics are obese!


The Raw Food Lifestyle will cure it!:)