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ChantalLenee
01-06-2008, 09:34 PM
Any Type 1 diabetics out there?
My son has had diabetes since he was five - 8 years. (School immunizations... if only I knew then what I know now.) He takes anywhere from 4 to 6 shots a day. His A1c in September was 6.4 and last week he was at Dr. and it was 9.2! :confused:
Just wondering if there were any Type 1 Diabetic Rawbies out there.

beckx
01-06-2008, 09:54 PM
i'm not diabetic, but just wanted to say that if you haven't already you should check out the raw for 30 days movie trailer and also dr gabriel cousens' research on curing diabetes with a raw food diet. really really cool and exciting stuff.

stevesgoinggreen
01-06-2008, 11:05 PM
i'm not diabetic, but just wanted to say that if you haven't already you should check out the raw for 30 days movie trailer and also dr gabriel cousens' research on curing diabetes with a raw food diet. really really cool and exciting stuff.

Hi - I agree with this completely. You can see the movie Here (http://www.purelyraw.com/videos.htm) its the first one called RAW FOR 30 DAYS

My Dad has Type 2 Diabetes and I hope that with my own transformation and then with showing him this full video when its out that he will switch to eating RAW and be cured.

juliebove
01-07-2008, 12:26 AM
I'm type 2 and there is no cure for diabetes. I don't care what anyone says.

stevesgoinggreen
01-07-2008, 01:20 AM
I'm type 2 and there is no cure for diabetes. I don't care what anyone says.

I don't appreciate how negative your response is.

I am new to the raw diet and practicing good health in general but I firmly believe that disease doesn't exist because it does - disease exists because of the abuse that you did to your body. I have read on this site and other raw sites reports of people who have been cured of cancers and other diseases from switching to raw and if that can happen for cancer then why not diabetes also? Just because you haven't been cured YET doesn't mean it wont happen. Maybe you just haven't found the right combination for your body.

I have to ask you on behalf of those of us that are here actually looking to heal our bodies and on behalf of the people who join every day who will be looking to heal themselves Please don't post an answer like this again It's very discouraging.

verseaurainbows
01-07-2008, 05:38 AM
The raw for 30 days thing is for TYPE 2 diabetics. Type 2 diabetes very often CAN be cured

Type 1 diabetes, mostly seen in children and young adults, is COMPLETELY different and its paramount people remember this. There is no HARD evidence that type 1 diabetes can ever be "cured", and its important false hope isnt given to anyone, especially kids

Firstly im so sorry to hear about your boy, i know it must be hard. Not diabetic myself but just wanted to say that raw will help and i wish you both well

momma-rawma
01-07-2008, 06:33 AM
I'm type 2 and there is no cure for diabetes. I don't care what anyone says.

Type II is certainly "curable"--type II is acquired diabetes through poor habits in life.

Curable meaning you can fix it without meds and have it not return so long as you continue that lifestyle. Time and again on many different ways of eating, people have "cured" their type II...that is to say, they made their blood sugar levels normal and don't require medication to fix it.

That statement is so misinformed and whomever provided that to you should be ashamed of themselves.


Type I as posted is different--and to the above poster...there is a family that is all raw whose son controlled his Type I diabetes with raw food. You may look them up. I forget who they are though. (I am not advising to go against medical advice for type I though--but it is worth looking into for your son just to see maybe if it helps his blood sugar. :))

ChantalLenee
01-07-2008, 08:51 AM
Thank you for all your responses. I am going to look for the family who's raw and has a Type 1 Diabetic. If anyone knows please advise.:)
I am sure that at this time there is no cure for my son but I would like to have better control over his numbers... especially since he's entering the teenage years!

sedonaraw
01-07-2008, 10:24 AM
The Boutenko family cured their son of type 1 diabetes. http://www.rawfamily.com/

Hope this helps and remember that anything is possible!:)

Tara

Vivafree2
01-07-2008, 11:35 AM
I don't have diabetes but my sugar was doing all kinds of strange curves - up and down and in between - raw helps me to stabilize it. Explore and try to find the best way to at least control it with raw - maybe you can cure it too!

rawmonkey
01-07-2008, 03:36 PM
My husband is type 1 diabetic and the raw diet is the ONLY thing that has allowed him to reduce his insulin dramatically. When eating raw foods with the enzymes intact, the body does not have to utilize the insulin to replace the enzymes lost in cooked food; therefore, less insulin is needed. If you are thinking of having your son go 100% raw be aware of the fact that raw food must be eaten every 2 to 3 hours to maintain level sugars. My husband is on an insulin pump and even in the first week of going raw he went low several times (he carries dates to bring his sugars up if he needs them instead of candy). When he eats on schedule he feels great, and his sugars are always in normal ranges. He is using so much less insulin now and feel horrible when he tries to eat SAD on occasion. You mentioned the A1C and my husband's dropped from 8.6 to 6.3 eating mostly raw in only three months. I'd be happy to "chat" more about our experiences with living food, just email me directly through my profile :o).

Hope this helps,

Christina

juliebove
01-07-2008, 04:16 PM
I don't appreciate how negative your response is.

I am new to the raw diet and practicing good health in general but I firmly believe that disease doesn't exist because it does - disease exists because of the abuse that you did to your body. I have read on this site and other raw sites reports of people who have been cured of cancers and other diseases from switching to raw and if that can happen for cancer then why not diabetes also? Just because you haven't been cured YET doesn't mean it wont happen. Maybe you just haven't found the right combination for your body.

I have to ask you on behalf of those of us that are here actually looking to heal our bodies and on behalf of the people who join every day who will be looking to heal themselves Please don't post an answer like this again It's very discouraging.


You don't appreciate how negative *my* response is? And yet you choose to insult me by saying I was abusing my body? How can you SAY that? That's very rude.

Cancer and diabetes are not the same thing at all.

I haven't been cured because NOBODY has been cured. You can control diabetes but you can't cure it. People with type 1 have to use insulin or else they die. And I will answer you if I choose. Last time I checked, you weren't in charge here.

juliebove
01-07-2008, 04:17 PM
The raw for 30 days thing is for TYPE 2 diabetics. Type 2 diabetes very often CAN be cured

Type 1 diabetes, mostly seen in children and young adults, is COMPLETELY different and its paramount people remember this. There is no HARD evidence that type 1 diabetes can ever be "cured", and its important false hope isnt given to anyone, especially kids

Firstly im so sorry to hear about your boy, i know it must be hard. Not diabetic myself but just wanted to say that raw will help and i wish you both well

Type 2 can be controlled. It can't be cured. If it could be, we wouldn't have any more diabetics.

juliebove
01-07-2008, 04:20 PM
Type II is certainly "curable"--type II is acquired diabetes through poor habits in life.

Curable meaning you can fix it without meds and have it not return so long as you continue that lifestyle. Time and again on many different ways of eating, people have "cured" their type II...that is to say, they made their blood sugar levels normal and don't require medication to fix it.

That statement is so misinformed and whomever provided that to you should be ashamed of themselves.


Type I as posted is different--and to the above poster...there is a family that is all raw whose son controlled his Type I diabetes with raw food. You may look them up. I forget who they are though. (I am not advising to go against medical advice for type I though--but it is worth looking into for your son just to see maybe if it helps his blood sugar. :))

Now I am insulted AGAIN!!! I do not HAVE poor habits in life, nor did I ever. I can't believe this!

One does not take medication to *fix* diabetes. There are people with type 2 who need medication and some that do not. That doesn't mean that one is any worse off than the other. There are over 300 variants to diabetes, yet most of us are lumped into the category of type 1 or 2.

Type 1 simply means your body is no longer producing insulin on its own. Type 2 could mean you don't produce enough insulin, or you produce too much but are insulin resistant. Much of the meds taken for it help overcome insulin resistance. Some make your body produce more insulin.

Rawkinlocs
01-07-2008, 04:28 PM
ENOUGH already!

Geez...the original poster asked a simple question..."Just wondering if there were any Type 1 Diabetic Rawbies out there."
Not, "can type 1 diabetes be cured with raw or can type 2 diabetes be cured with raw" or "Can diabetes be cured at all?" Not, "What's the difference 'tween the 'types'?"...just pure and simple, "Are there any type 1 diabetic rawbies out there?"

If you are, post...if not, don't. Quite simple, it is. No need for all of this arguing and bickering.

Juliebove, I understand your frustration...I've seen it many times on this forum where you detest when people say, "Diabetes is caused by _____ "; but I can also see that there are people who feel they are cured from it if they no longer need their meds. Sure, they may have to maintain a certain diet, etc. to stay off of those meds...but if they say/think/feel they're cured/healed/whatever...then it's not right to say, "No, you're not, you're just managing it" no more than it's right to say, "You caused this from your lifestyle and eating habits".

Everyone take a deep breath, relax, chill and bring this thread back to focus...are-there-any-type-ONE-diabetics here? If so, please stand up and acknowledge yourselves...if not, let the thread go.

Thanks!

SharonC
01-07-2008, 04:47 PM
Dr. Joel Fuhrman is a practicing medical doctor who helps patients reverse disease through aggressive nutrition. Dr. Oz from Oprah refers patients to Dr. Fuhrman. He is just one of the many (and growing) 'enlightened' doctors who truly understands how to reverse disease. But, he is one of the most well known and easy to access information to cut/paste from his website and pass on.

"Diabetes is a serious disease, marked by higher than normal levels of glucose (sugar) in the blood. Diabetes affects about 135 million people worldwide, and the number with this disease has been increasing steadily due, in part, to an increased number of overweight people. Type II diabetes, or adult onset diabetes is a nutritionally-related disease, that is both preventable and reversible through nutritional methods and regular exercise. According to the American Diabetes Association, "the world faces a devastating diabetes epidemic, with the annual death toll already exceeding the three million killed by AIDS and set to rise," the World Health Organization warned.

Diabetes takes a severe toll on the person's health. More than 70 percent of adults with Type II diabetes die of heart attacks and strokes, and these deaths occur at a younger age compared to people without diabetes. Premature death and the devastating complications of this disease simply do not have to happen. Those with diabetes are told to watch their diet, exercise and use drugs to better control the glucose levels in their bloodstream. The nutritional advice received from the American Diabetes Association (ADA), dieticians and physicians is inadequate and permits countless of unnecessary premature deaths and much needless suffering. I declare, "Don't live with your diabetes and don't simply control your diabetes ... get rid of it."

The vast majority of my patients, who adopt my nutritional and exercise recommendations for diabetes, become thin and non-diabetic. They are able to gradually discontinue their insulin and eventually their other medications. They simply get well. I work with people who have diabetes and who want to live a long and healthy life. The membership services offered here on this website and the information in my book, Eat To Live, can get you started on this road to wellness. My hope is that the information below about diabetes will enable you to feel more confident and that you or someone you care about can be motivated to work with me to recover their health." Go to http://www.drfuhrman.com/disease/default.aspx to read the rest of this article.

Excerpt from Dr. Fuhrman's book, 'Eat to Live'...

"FOOD IS THE CURE

Patients are told that food has nothing to do with the diseases they develop. Dermatologists insist that food has nothing to do with acne; rheumatologists insist that food has nothing to do with rheumatoid arthritis, and gastroenterologists insist that food has nothing to do with irritable and inflammatory bowel disease. Even cardiologists have been resistant to accept the accumulating evidence that atherosclerosis is entirely avoidable. Most of them still believe that coronary artery disease and angina require the invasive treatment of surgery and are not reversible with nutritional intervention. Most physicians have no experience in treating disease naturally with nutritional excellence, and some physicians who don't know about it are convinced it is not possible.

*My patients routinely make COMPLETE and PREDICTABLE RECOVERY from these illnesses, predominantly through aggressive dietary changes. I am always delighted to meet new patients who are ready to take responsibility for their own health and well being.

*YOU CAN WATCH A NEW YOU BEING MADE BY THE WISDOM OF YOUR BODY, AND THIS NEW YOU WILL RESULT IN ALL YOUR SYSTEMS AND ORGANS, INCLUDING YOUR BRAIN, FUNCTIONING BETTER. Depression, fatigue, anxiety and allergies are also related to our improper diet. The brain and immune system are able to withstand stress better when your body is properly nourished.

I am neither a research scientist nor a writer by profession. I AM A PRACTICING PHYSICIAN WHO SEES AT LEAST FIVE THOUSAND PATIENTS A YEAR. I work with these patients, educating them and motivating them to do more than others have asked them to do. The results I see with my patients are THRILLING. DISEASES THAT ARE CONSIDERED IRREVERSIBLE I SEE REVERSED ON A DAILY BASIS."

SharonC
01-07-2008, 05:21 PM
Sorry Rawkinlocs, I posted at the same time you did.

This is part of the rest of Dr. Fuhrman's article only about Type 1 diabetes. Very encouraging, and the results likely even better when take his vegan, high nutrient rich diet to a higher raw level...

http://www.drfuhrman.com/disease/Diabetes.aspx

Type 1 Diabetes (childhood onset or juvenile diabetes)

In Type 1 Diabetes, which generally occurs earlier in life, children incur damage to the beta cells in the pancreas, which produce insulin, so they have an insulin deficiency. About ten percent of diabetes is Type 1. Excess body fat does not cause this type of diabetes, and those with Type 1 diabetes always will require insulin to prevent serious hyperglycemia and life-threatening ketoacidosis.

Diabetes Symptoms

The most common symptoms for Type 1 diabetes (juvenile or child onset) include, but are not limited to, frequent urination and thirst, vomiting, nausea, and abdominal pain. An immediate visit to one’s health practitioner would be advised.

Conventional Care

With conventional care, the long-term prognosis for a Type 1 diabetic is dismal. More than one-third of all Type 1 diabetics die before the age of fifty. However, it is not Type 1 diabetes itself that causes such negative health consequences. Rather, it is the combination of the diabetes and the typical nutritional “advice” given to these patients – advice that requires them to take large amounts of unnecessary insulin. The extra insulin and the high glucose levels raise lipids, accelerate atherosclerosis and damage the body. With this in mind, it should be clear that while the Standard American Diet (SAD), which has spread to all industrialized nations, is dangerous for everyone. It is particularly deadly for diabetics. In short, if you eat conventionally you die conventionally, but if you eat the Standard American Diet with diabetes, you will be committing to poor health with food at a much younger age.

Live a Long and Healthy Life with Type 1 Diabetes

Type 1 diabetics need not feel doomed to a life of medical disasters and a possible early death. With a truly health-supporting lifestyle, including real food designed by nature, even the Type 1 (childhood onset) diabetic can have the same potential for a long, disease-free life, like the rest of us. I find that when Type 1 diabetics adopt a high-nutrient, dietary approach, they can lower their insulin requirements by about half. They protect their body against the heart-attack, promoting effects of the American diet style. They no longer have swings of highs and lows, and their glucose levels and lipids stay under excellent control. Even though the Type 1 diabetic will still require exogenous (external) insulin, but by following my Eat To Live diet-style, they will no longer need excessive amounts of it. Remember, it is not the Type 1 diabetes that is so damaging, it is the S.A.D., the typical dietary advice given to Type 1s and the excessive need for large amount of insulin that is so harmful. It is simply essential for all Type 1 diabetics to learn about my dietary recommendations which can give them the opportunity for a long and healthy life.A Type 1 Diabetic Changes His Diet

John Sermos was a 22 year old college graduate with Type 1 diabetes since the age of 6. He was five foot, eight inches tall and weighed 190 pounds. He was taking a total of 70 units of insulin daily. He was referred to my office by his family physician as he was having swings in his glucose levels, too high at times and at other times dangerously low. He also wanted to learn more about nutrition to improve his health and reduce his future risks from having diabetes. I was impressed by his intelligence and desire to change his eating habits to better his health. We spent lots of time discussing the typical problems that befall most diabetics, and I explained to him that using 70 units of insulin a day was part of the problem. I explained that if he follows my recommended diet-style he will stabilize his weight at about 145 pounds and he will only require about 30 units of insulin a day. With this lower level of insulin, to mimic the amount of insulin a non-diabetic makes in the pancreas, he can have a life without the typical health issues that befall diabetics. We cut his nighttime insulin dose down by ten units and his mealtime insulin from 10 to 6 as he began the diet. Over the next two weeks we gradually tapered his insulin and found that he only needed 20 units of Lantus insulin at bedtime and 4 units before each meal for a total of 32 units a day. Almost immediately, with my dietary recommendations, his sugars were running in the favorable range, and he no longer experienced dangerous drops in his blood sugar. He had lost 13 pounds over the first month and by month three weighed 167, a loss of 23 pounds. He was excited about what he had learned and was more hopeful about his life while living with his diabetes. I am convinced, that with the Eat To Live diet-style, those with Type 1 diabetes can have a long and disease-free life. I feel it is imperative that all Type 1 diabetics learn about this life, saving approach.

Elle_Murphy
01-07-2008, 06:40 PM
I really feel for Juliabove. I would never hold anything against anyone with type 2 says about the disease. I see enough of what type one is & I cannot imagine the strength required to truck through it.

Ollie'sShare
01-07-2008, 09:26 PM
I have type 1 diabetes. I always ate quite healthy, even before being diagnosed with it. I learned that certain foods affected my sugar levels more so than others. Before going raw, I "controlled" my sugar levels by only eating fruits.
Due to other food intolerances and just migrating towards fruits and vegetables, I started eating high raw last Feb. My insulin levels decreased dramatically (as long as I also maintained an exercise routine).

I also found out from my anatomy professor that fructose is the only the type of sugar that can enter the cell without the need of an insulin receptor. Although I have not researched this myself, with trial and error of diet alone, I really believe that this is true to a certain degree.

I wish you the best of luck. I don't think going high raw will affect your son's A1C in any negative way :)

-Sam

ChantalLenee
01-07-2008, 09:35 PM
My husband is type 1 diabetic and the raw diet is the ONLY thing that has allowed him to reduce his insulin dramatically. When eating raw foods with the enzymes intact, the body does not have to utilize the insulin to replace the enzymes lost in cooked food; therefore, less insulin is needed. If you are thinking of having your son go 100% raw be aware of the fact that raw food must be eaten every 2 to 3 hours to maintain level sugars. My husband is on an insulin pump and even in the first week of going raw he went low several times (he carries dates to bring his sugars up if he needs them instead of candy). When he eats on schedule he feels great, and his sugars are always in normal ranges. He is using so much less insulin now and feel horrible when he tries to eat SAD on occasion. You mentioned the A1C and my husband's dropped from 8.6 to 6.3 eating mostly raw in only three months. I'd be happy to "chat" more about our experiences with living food, just email me directly through my profile :o).

Hope this helps,

Christina
Message for Raw Monkey. I can't email you through your profile. I am sometimes technically challenged. I would like to hear more about your husbands lifestyle, diet and diabetes. I'm finding that now that he's older he doesn't listen quite as much to me. He'll be 13 soon. You can find my email through my profile I think.

ChantalLenee
01-07-2008, 09:40 PM
Thank you everyone for your insights. Sorry to cause such a ruckus! Just trying to make sure my son grows up healthy. Someone is going to have to take care of me in my old age! Plus, I kinda want grandbabies in about twenty years!

Lauriola
01-07-2008, 10:05 PM
ChantalLenee,
try to contact Victoria Boutenko at Victoria@rawfamily.com. She is convinced that her son has been cured of his Type 1 Diabetes doing 100% vegan raw food diet and exercise.

Some other links of interest:
http://www.rawfamily.com/sergei.htm

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?9,24109,27861

http://www.living-foods.com/news/somelikeitraw.html

Don't give up, a young body has much more chances than an adult one... over the 40's? ;)

Keep us posted!
Love and more love for you and your family!
Laura

rawmonkey
01-08-2008, 10:31 AM
ChantalLenee,

Try emailing again by clicking on "rawmonkey" at the top of this post, then scroll down to "my public profile" and when you get to the profile click on "email this person." I just checked to see if the email was enabled and it is now. Try again because the system will not allow me to email you :( .

Hope to hear from you soon :D

Christina

AnniBanana
01-20-2008, 12:33 AM
my son is 14 and was just diagnosed with diabetes a month ago. He has started insulin and is in a 'honeymoon period' where his pancreas is still producing it's own insulin right now so his shots are very low (8 units long acting in the morning 4 units long acting and 1-3units of short acting before supper depending on his blood sugar results).

We caught this purely by accident, he wasn't really even having alot of symptoms and he didn't get really sick. He was tired for a few days and I demanded my doctor check his blood lol. I think the doctor thought I was crazy but lo and behold! He had high blood sugar.

Because we caught it so soon, and because he's so newly diagnosed I'm hoping that keeping him raw half the week (the other half he's at his dads and I don't even want to THINK about what they feed him!) will sustain this period and avoid future damage. Especially when you read that it's high amounts of injected insulin that cause the complications.

I'm going to have a serious talk with his dad and maybe send some substitutions so Jordan doesn't have to drink milk there (they are old fashioned meat and potato, milk drinking people). Maybe send over some almond milk. And homemade goodies like fruit rollups and sauces so that he can at least maintain 50% raw. I'm lucky he's into healthy food right now. He loves sitting at the computer playing games and eating a head of lettuce.

I can be emailed if you want to talk about anything.
Thanks!