Raw hot chocolate I came up with.

[fuggles]

This is very healthy, and uses coconut oil aswell. It has been tried and tested and tasted by me.

Basically, you need some good quality coconut oil, raw cacao powder, and a larger than usual tea mug, and measuring spoons like 30ml ones.

Get mug, put 10grams of raw cacao powder in it, about 40 ml of coconut oil, add boiling hot water, and its done.

The reason I made this was because whenever I wanted to add coconut oil to a , for example, cucumber juice from the juicer, it would never melt, and would just be a lump floating in the juice. I tried melting it in the pan and adding it, but i didnt like the taste difference between the hot and cold, and found it very inconvenient to wash the pan as the oil was very sticky and lots remained in the pan. If used in a smoothie, most of the coconut oil stuck to the blades. Of the two, melting it in a pan and adding it was a lot better.

But with this idea, its definitely liquid because the water melts it, and consuming the oil this way was much easier.

PS - the cacao powder is a 100gram bag, I use 10 grams, and the coconut oil is measured in mililitres, a 440ml tub. I use a 30 ml measuring spoon, and this is appoximately 10 - 15 grams when full, so I know how much cacao to use. And measuring the oil is easy because its in mililitres anyway.

[verseaurainbows]

Im probably being realy stupid here, but doesnt the boiling hot water just "cook" the stuff? Therefore defeating the whole object of buying it raw? Sorry im realy new to raw!

It sounds lovely

[GlimR]

I wonder about that too~

Also great is almond mylk, made as thick as you like, cacao and agave to sweeten...heat gently on stove till barely warm to your finger.....yup...yummy stuff~

[fuggles]

O right, does boiling water count as raw ?? i hope so, lol. If not, it makes me 98 per cent raw. However, i think it only counts as raw if its damaged by the heat. Coconut oil is famous for being able to survive high temperatures in things like cooking, even though Im using water.


On another note, that cacao powder is apparently mega healthy, just read the description.

[snowdrop]

O right, does boiling water count as raw ?? i hope so, lol. If not, it makes me 98 per cent raw. However, i think it only counts as raw if its damaged by the heat. Coconut oil is famous for being able to survive high temperatures in things like cooking, even though Im using water.


On another note, that cacao powder is apparently mega healthy, just read the description.

i don't think its boiling the water that everyone worries about
but pouring that boiling water on raw cacao & coconut oil
their enzymes wouldn't survive that temp, hence making the entire drink
sad.:(

[fuggles]

Well, pout out the water, then add the oil, then the cacao. Would that work ??

the oil survives, maybe not the cacao.

[rawstrength]

Coconut oil melts at 80 degrees F, so just use warm water instead of boiling water to make your hot chocolate. Then it will still be raw, as long as the water temp. is below 115 degrees F then the enzymes survive.

[Raw Angel Mom]

IF your skin cannot handle the boiling water so is the same with the food. This is how you know which temperature is acceptable.

If you don't mind room temperature. When you have a high speed blender, it does heat up the liquid. BUT you don't want to do this too long either.

For the coconut oil. In my experience, there is a clear distinction and difference from raw organic coconut oil and and organic coconut oil. My daughter got a rash on her bum. Typically we would be using the raw coconut oil, and normally any rednish on her skin it would desapear the same day. Well this time we were out of raw coconut oil and we just use the regular organic coconut oil. The rash remained until that we went and buy the raw one. The same day, it dramatically improve and was gone almost the same day.

Also, studdy were found that coconut oil expose to heat will transmute to transfat. Sorry for the bad news.

You can enjoy nice chocolate milk with almond milk or any nut milk.

Blessings

[fuggles]

well, im not heating the coconut oil.

Also, I could use warm water, like shower temperature. And maybe I can reach a temperature where the water is hot but not too hot.

[Rawkinlocs]

well, im not heating the coconut oil.

Also, I could use warm water, like shower temperature. And maybe I can reach a temperature where the water is hot but not too hot.

You may not be actually heating the oil as in putting it into a pot and heating it up...but if you are boiling water and then pouring that boiled water onto a raw and living food (or even pouring the water and then adding the ingredients...doesn't matter unless that water gets cooled down to a temp lower than 115 degrees), you are cooking that food.

If you want to keep this recipe raw, then the best thing is to (as was suggested) warm your oil (the jar) in a bowl of warm water to liquify it (if need be...if it's solid), heat your water ONLY until your finger can rest comfortably in it without getting burned and then proceed with your recipe or at least let the water cool down considerably before adding it to the rest of your ingredients. You could also blend it for a while until it warms up. I'm not sure if ALL blenders do this, but I know the Vitamix does.

It's totally up to you if you want to drink it hotter than that, but it most likely will not be a raw hot cocoa. We're just trying to help you make your recipe as healthful and beneficial as possible!

[fuggles]

Thanks. Its no longer being consumed until I decide how to prepare it.

But I still received the benefits from the coconut oil which has a ridiculously high turn-into-bad-fats temperature, so boiling water wont reach that high.

EDIT : what about herbal teas?

[Rawkinlocs]

It's a personal choice. Herbal teas are moreso if you warm the water (as I suggested above) and steep or make suntea or something along those lines. But many raw fooders choose to keep (hot) herbal tea in their diet. So, like with anything, it's really your decision to consume these things...how do they make YOU feel...do they tend to lend to a desire for more cooked food or...

It's the same with the "questionably raw" items such as non-roasted cashews, Nama Shoyu (it's unpasteurized, but the soy beans are cooked prior to fermentation...so it's more so a LIVING, non-pasteurized food...but technically, not "raw".

As for the coconut oil...it may have to have an extremely high temp to turn into a "bad fat" but to become no longer raw, water that is hotter than 115 degrees will do the trick!

[Rawkinlocs]

It's a personal choice. Herbal teas are fine, especially if you warm the water (as I suggested above) and steep or make suntea or something along those lines. But many raw fooders choose to keep (hot) herbal tea in their diet. So, like with anything, it's really your decision to consume these things...how do they make YOU feel...do they tend to lend to a desire for more cooked food or...

It's the same with the "questionably raw" items such as non-roasted cashews, Nama Shoyu (it's unpasteurized, but the soy beans are cooked prior to fermentation...so it's more so a LIVING, non-pasteurized food...but technically, not "raw"), etc...some raw fooders still consume these things with no ill-effects so it's personal choice as to how much of a "purist" or "stickler" you wanna be.

As for the coconut oil...it may have to have an extremely high temp to turn into a "bad fat" but to become no longer raw, water that is hotter than 115 degrees will do the trick!

[Blissed]

Whole Foods headquarter store in Austin, TX [only at this store location] has a cold case area just past the veggies/fruit section, that has some prepared raw food items (this is a downsize from a full fledged raw food bar area up front by the juice bar last year). Anyway, last year, they did serve a hot chocolate that they prepared with similar ingredients. The had an espresso type machine with a temp gauge on it, I believe. So, that is the expensive route. Or, I believe you could also preheat your water in the dehydrator to the 105 degrees, and then mix.

[Diana Cda]

What an interesting thread, thanks!

When reading it, I was reminded about something I believe I have somewhere in one of my books (I'll have to go through them and check). In it, I believe (and I'm going by memory) that the authors poured water from a kettle over sprouts -- and I'm pretty sure it was sprouts -- then let the jar cool and kept it out in the sun. Can't remember why the sun thing; I'll definitely try to find this reference.

Anyway, bottom line is the sprouts did sprout and that they seemed to suffer no ill effects from the boiling water.

Now, this can be tested empirically so no harm done until we find out for sure. But if this is the case, then it's not so much about the initial temperature of the water but if whatever the water is poured over doesn't _continue_ to be exposed to the high temperatures. I know that a teapot keeps water very hot for a long time. However, a mug does not. It may be that enzymes are more resistant and that they can handle boiling water ... as long as it's in a cup or mug or other that is kept open and exposed to air, thereby letting the temperature drop fairly rapidly.

If the above is the case, this _may_ be do-able.

Also, it depends on what people are comfortable with. This type of thing, like teas and such, might not be following a more Natural Hygiene approach to raw foodism (or, in other words, a very "strict" adherence to it) but it may be acceptable to others. The choice, I think, remains with each.

... at any rate, I'll try to find the reference to the boiling water. If it _is_ in one of my books, I'll post the pertinent paragraph. If not, someone can test this by using boiling water on sprouts. Simple that, really.

Cheers. :)

[fuggles]

Well, if I do carry on drinking it, It will become a 95 per cent raw lifestyle, instead of 100 per cent.

PS - what about raw eggs, just cracking an egg open and eating it raw,

[Rawkinlocs]

We're raw vegan/vegetarian here so we don't get into that sort of thing.

[raweater]

As most others said this will cook the oil and cacao, and raw cacao is much, much more expensive than cooked. If you absolutely want to make it cooked, it would make more sense not to pay much more for raw cacao just to cook it right before use.

I made a warm raw chocolate milk (a hot raw food is physically impossible) by doing a 30 second mut milk recipe (1 TBSP almond butter per 1 cup water with vanilla, agave and sea salt to taste) to which I added raw cacao powder and then put it over low heat just to make it slightly warm (remember things cook way before things start feeling hot to you, even warm is enough to partly cook most things, it just takes slightly above body temperature to cook, which is barely warm).

[spiralgirl]

fuggles,

I still struggle with this and I've been raw for over 7 months. It is a personal decision and I've decided to drink herbal tea with hot boiling water for now. Also once in awhile I make the hot cocoa the way you mentioned with boiling water. Maybe in time I'll be able to not drink hot herbal tea but for now it's a must for me.

[fuggles]

However, coconut oil isnt damaged by high heat, even though its only boiling water.

Secondly, I agree, the cacao powder will be damaged by the heat.

Thus, this makes me about 95 per cent raw, because of the cooked cacao powder.

The coconut oil will not be damaged.

[subbacultcha]

It may not be turned into a trans fat but the enzymes will still be destroyed meaning it is no longer raw.

[kyrie]

Im probably being realy stupid here, but doesnt the boiling hot water just "cook" the stuff? Therefore defeating the whole object of buying it raw? Sorry im realy new to raw!

It sounds lovely


Hi guys,

But if I am correct I remember from my Chemistry classes that the boiling point of water is 100 degrees Farenheit and the freezing point is 0.

So even at 115 degrees F the water would definitely be boiling and then some.:eek: Maybe not the most comfortable thing to dip your finger into.:rolleyes:

I mention this because supposedly enzymes start to die at 118 degrees Farenheit. The reason most people use 105 degrees to 115 degrees Farenheit in range to stay on the safe side.

So you can still have boiling water, and it would still be 'raw'.


So maybe there is no need to get our knickers in a knot, so to speak.;)

Have a great day all.

Cheers.

Carla

[northernstars]

Boiling is at 212 degrees F. and 100 degrees C. Freezing is at 32 degrees F and 0 C.

[fuggles]

Yes, however enzymes in coconut oil are not destroyed.

I read that people cooked coconut oil to massive temepratues and it wasnt damaged.

Even though im not doing that, the coconut oil will be in fine condition. The cacao powder wont be.


"The good thing about coconut oil is that it isn't damaged by heat. That's why it's so good for cooking. It's the saturation that makes it stable. If coconut oil contains enzymes it would become very perishable - just like all raw foods containing enzymes." Lita Lee, Ph.D. - Lita is a chemist, enzyme nutritionist, nutritional counselor, and has written on coconut oil.

"There are no enzymes in coconut oil, nor any other edible oil for that matter." - Mary Enig, Ph.D, a nutritionist/biochemist and the author of Know Your Fats.

"Coconut oil does not contain enzymes. Many in the raw food movement are misinformed about this." Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren, M.D., medical doctor, doctor of chiropractic, licensed nutritionist, certified clinical nutritionist, frequent lecturer on the health benefits of coconut oil, and owner of the Ecopolitan, the largest organic raw food restaurant in Minneapolis.

[fuggles]

And I could get a temperature controlled kettle.

And I read some people on here are only about 60 per cent raw, so they must be doing more than just drinking unraw tea.

[subbacultcha]

Well yeah, its not a competition as to who can be the most raw. Some people choose to include some cooked foods in their diets, some people choose to follow a mainly raw diet but relax about some questionable things. Some people want to be 100% raw with no exceptions.

[spiralgirl]

And I could get a temperature controlled kettle.

And I read some people on here are only about 60 per cent raw, so they must be doing more than just drinking unraw tea.

fuggles,

I agree with subbacultcha just start off with what your comfortable with and go from there. There are a couple things I use in my raw diet that aren't considered raw like maple syrup, occasionally liquid smoke, nutritional yeast and I drink hot herbal tea. My goal was just to stay raw long term so I didn't want to be too fanatic about it when I started off. That's usually my personality and I've blown every diet I've ever tried to go on prior to raw.

Just do what works for you.

[fuggles]

I just read this ::


Stimulant or superfood?

Cacao contains subtle amounts of caffeine and theobromine. However, experiments have shown that these stimulants are far different when consumed raw than cooked.

Consider the following: Experimental provings of chocolate by homeopaths indicate its stimulating effect when cooked. One experiment conducted with a decoction of roasted ground cacao beans in boiling water produced an excitement of the nervous system similar to that caused by black coffee, an excited state of circulation, and an accelerated pulse. interestingly, when the same decoction was made with raw, unroasted beans neither effect was noticeable, leading the provers to conclude that the physiological changes were caused by aromatic substances released during roasting.


So some things definitely need to be consumed raw.

[pan.droid]

This is very healthy, and uses coconut oil aswell. It has been tried and tested and tasted by me.

Basically, you need some good quality coconut oil, raw cacao powder, and a larger than usual tea mug, and measuring spoons like 30ml ones.

Get mug, put 10grams of raw cacao powder in it, about 40 ml of coconut oil, add boiling hot water, and its done.

The reason I made this was because whenever I wanted to add coconut oil to a , for example, cucumber juice from the juicer, it would never melt, and would just be a lump floating in the juice. I tried melting it in the pan and adding it, but i didnt like the taste difference between the hot and cold, and found it very inconvenient to wash the pan as the oil was very sticky and lots remained in the pan. If used in a smoothie, most of the coconut oil stuck to the blades. Of the two, melting it in a pan and adding it was a lot better.

But with this idea, its definitely liquid because the water melts it, and consuming the oil this way was much easier.

PS - the cacao powder is a 100gram bag, I use 10 grams, and the coconut oil is measured in mililitres, a 440ml tub. I use a 30 ml measuring spoon, and this is appoximately 10 - 15 grams when full, so I know how much cacao to use. And measuring the oil is easy because its in mililitres anyway.

I'm sorry... I have not read the whole thread, so I am sure that this must have come up probably a thousand times, but: there can be no such thing as a raw hot chocolate. What I would suggest if you are seeking a delicious chocolaty beverage is to blend (at top speed) the nut mylk of your choice, a little of the sweetener of your choice and that caocao powder you mentioned to taste. Hot chocolate was a weakness of mine so I bought the caocao powder to make this chocolate mylk shake (among other things) and it's divine. I might also suggest the addition of some frozen banana and some of your favorite berries to the above recipe for an even more nutritiously satisfying fix.

[pan.droid]

I just read this ::


Stimulant or superfood?

Cacao contains subtle amounts of caffeine and theobromine. However, experiments have shown that these stimulants are far different when consumed raw than cooked.

Consider the following: Experimental provings of chocolate by homeopaths indicate its stimulating effect when cooked. One experiment conducted with a decoction of roasted ground cacao beans in boiling water produced an excitement of the nervous system similar to that caused by black coffee, an excited state of circulation, and an accelerated pulse. interestingly, when the same decoction was made with raw, unroasted beans neither effect was noticeable, leading the provers to conclude that the physiological changes were caused by aromatic substances released during roasting.


So some things definitely need to be consumed raw.

That's pretty interesting... caocao it interesting; it definetly has a medicinal taste before it is combined with other things.

Thanks for the info,

Pan.Droid